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Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 25 Nov 2010 22:35
by ShyamSP
>trifurcation of Seemandhra, Greater Hyderabad and Telangana
Well some Telangana districts may want to join Greater Hyderabad than Telangana in such case. Suddenly some Rayalaseema people can get ideas to join Greater Hyderabad as well.
Well after some thought everybody may want to join Greater Hyderabad state

Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 00:26
by pramodkumarca
Muppalla wrote:RamaY wrote:Sakshi paper reports that Jaipal Reddy demanded a statement on Telangana formation as a precondition for him to take the CM responsibilities.
Ac If Seemandhra INC politicians agree to trifurcation of Seemandhra, Greater Hyderabad and Telangana then that will happen based on Telangana's acceptance.
All I see here Telangana formation without the acceptance of INC's seemandhra MPs is an NO-NO. Otherwise why in the hell they need a bloody commission just after declaration?
Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcation of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solution
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 01:09
by ShyamSP
pramodkumarca wrote:Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcaton of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solution
I don't see anybody saying seemandhra/non-T is for trifurcation. If there is seperation, trifurication may be acceptable idea and for Rayalaseema quadfurcation may be good idea.
Just like Telangana wants their agreements honored, other regions want their agreements honored. I seriously doubt government wants to get into that business. Without agreement among all regions, there can't be seperation.
As for Hyderabad is part of Telangana. It is the other way. Telangana was part of Hyderabad. In the history of Muslim rule before alone, there was no Telangana (Telugu area in Persian) alone to claim Hyderabad as theirs.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 01:37
by Muppalla
ShyamSP wrote:
Sore losers are Chiru and Kapu lobby as they couldn't penetrate Congress except for doing sideshow.
Thanks to idiots (quoting Kavuri) like VH, KK. After grouping Kapu sub castes (except Kamma, Reddy, Velama)
as Kapus to show strength in numbers, kapu lobby had it good but missed that Telangana also splits
their numbers just like Reddys.
Perhaps, Kiran Kumar Reddy was chosen over Kapu, for example Pallam Raju, as compromise between
Congress and Jagan. Congress may still want have Kapus to win for Congress in next election to have
Kapu CM. That means Chiru will be useful sideshow till next elections.
Going away totally from Reddys is impossible for congress and they seems to be looking for a backup as they don't know how to break the Jagan's logjam. In that persuit they are doing this Kapu/Chiru stuff. This strategy will remain as long as Jagan problem is not resolved.
To me this does not look anything new from the past 25 years. Remember Mudragada Padmanabham - he jumped from TDP to INC to TDP to BJP to INC and I do not know where he is now. Shiv Shankar and his goon sons are also part of the same Kapu lobby but were always with INC. The problem with Kapu community is the struggle to reach the top and it is not about having some representation. They wanted CM post which is elusive in TDP and hence they wanted to try via congress. Their movement towards TDP was only as an anger mechanism towards INC. When Chiru created new party they all hoped to do an NTR on AP and now if Chiru moves with Sonia then what is the use of him for Kapus. I see end of Chiru and it is possible they may go back to old style anger-mechanism and vote to TDP. In fact if they take out CM aspiration they got more representation in TDP.
One thing is for sure - In the current scenario all that fights and arguments are not real. A lot of fake and stagemanged stuff is going on.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 03:10
by ShivaS
There has never been civil war about Telengana it was always Evil war and will be so.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 03:10
by Muppalla
This fellow write a lot of crap but this one is pretty good and very detailed.
http://www.politicsparty.com/sonia_futu ... angana.php
As everyone said Kiran as CM seems to be a back to the basics approach from Sonia (retun of KHAM). He is a Reddy CM who is loyal YSR insider and also an insider of Jagan. He is young (50 year old) and know the knitty gritty of dealing with violence (both using power and private). The expectation is that there will be large scale violence. Everyone is tight lipped about how to carve out Telangana though the one line answer is whatever the central government decides.
My take is he will revive the money making machinery of YSR so that a lot of "jobless" YSR loyalists will be happy again. That could be the only strategy to counter Jagan. Telangana - dekhna padega. Next 100 days could be interesting.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 06:47
by Muppalla
I am posting this article in full. Take your own guesses regarding T. I am not going to repeat
New CM raises city builders' hopes of real estate revival
TNN, Nov 26, 2010, 03.40am IST
HYDERABAD: A well-connected builder recalls a meeting with K Rosaiah a couple of months ago to seek help in putting the real estate sector in revival mode. The builder says he came to the point politely and suggested to CM garu that Hyderabad needed to be showcased once again, like Y S Rajasekhara Reddy did or even Chandrababu Naidu, to build investor confidence. "He was generous with his time and interest. But nothing came out of the meeting apart from a few statements on new companies coming up in Hyderabad a few days later. He could have done a lot more," the builder recalls.
For an industry reeling under recession due to the 'T' agitation, the CM's lack of interest was unnerving. But late Wednesday night, when Kiran Kumar Reddy was named chief minister, it wasn't just Chittoor district that erupted in joy but even realtors in Hyderabad who heaved a collective sigh of relief. Enthused by the change of guard, they say in politically correct terms, that "Rosaiah was a good man but couldn't help the sector. There was too much for him to handle." Industry insiders also point out that Rosaiah couldn't assert himself which became too obvious in instances such as the Emaar-APIIC scam.
Now, city's realtors and builders have pinned their hopes of stability not just on "young blood, bolder moves" of Kiran Kumar Reddy but significantly his considerable interest in real estate. However, they choose to elaborate other crucial factors that have endeared him to the developers. "He is a 'hybrid' variety CM. He hails from Rayalaseema but is a true-blue Hyderabadi. And he is close to Jagan," says Mukkala Madhusudan, a city-based realtor, calculating how all the elements that can upset the city's rhythm could be taken care of with Kiran Kumar Reddy as CM.
Realtors and builders note that the new chief minister is accessible, possibly one reason why among the first set of people calling on him on Friday to wish him on his new assignment would be the builder lobby. It is probably for the same reason why even before he became chief minister, some realtors had already met him to discuss housing schemes for the low income group. But on Friday, builders would take forward the request that was left unattended by Rosaiah two months ago. "After the recession, there was a correction in the Indian market but after that while rest of the country recovered, AP did not because of the T issue. The government could not address it and failed to project the inherent strength of the city, its good infrastructure. Now the young CM will showcase Hyderabad as an investment destination," said C Sekhar Reddy, president of the Andhra Pradesh Builder's Forum.
But there are some among builders who say that Rosaiah actually did make some real estate-friendly moves. From reducing the impact fee for residential properties to bringing down the lease and rental registrations to 0.5 of the total value apart to giving concession in the payout for layout regularisation, the Rosaiah government did make some right moves, notes P Prem Kumar, president, Andhra Pradesh Real Estate Developers Association. Such moves, however, did not stir up the kind of interest in properties the builders had expected.
"These were technical moves but the sentiment that brings customers to the market was lacking," says a realtor.
However, the builder-realtor lobby is unanimous in believing that good times are here again. Prem Kumar said that it would be Kiran Kumar Reddy's "youth" and "proactive decisions" that would put the industry back on track.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 09:48
by ramana
Who is Narsimha reddy in the pro-Telangana group? Said to be friend of Jaipal Reddy. Is he from Ghanpur in Warangal?
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 12:17
by milindc
pramodkumarca wrote:
Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcation of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solution
Hyderabad needs to be the Union territory or separate state.. Hyderabadi folks shouldn't be forced to fund the proposed idiotic policies of Telangana leaders. I also propose that you be at the fore front of civil war...
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 20:12
by Yagnasri
If any one think that violence will give Telangana state with Hyd then they are seriously mistaken. First attack on non locals in Hyd will result is serious rataliation from the majority of the AP. Normaly people in Telangana also will not support any violence. Once it starts what ever little simpathy Telangana people got will be lost for ever. Do you think that the useless leaders like KCR can withstand violence retalisation from Jagan gang for example? Or the congress old foxes in Telangana has any response to the money power of costal leaders.
Hope no one does anything foolsih and situation does not go out of control.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Nov 2010 20:19
by RamaY
pramodkumarca wrote:Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcation of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solution
This is a serious one bro! How many of T-leaders are ready to die in the process? Even prof. Kodandaram added the "kunjaraha" clause when he talked about "Civil War". He wants a civil war of agitation and non-cooperation. Isn't that whats happening now? What will be the difference after December?
Mere mention of armed civil war will close the chapters of many T-leadership. Which la la land you are living my brother?
Instead why don't you propse some concrete proposals on how to get Telangana and how to develop that area devoid of united-AP investments?
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Nov 2010 08:44
by Muppalla
Watch out for similar blogs and editorials ...
What They Said: The Political Turmoil in Andhra Pradesh
By Vibhuti Agarwal
India Real Time presents a round-up of commentary and analysis of one of the key news events this week—the crisis in India’s southern state of Andhra Pradeshas the elderly Chief Minister K. Rosaiah on Wednesday announced a sudden decision to step down citing personal reasons. The Congress Party appointed State Assembly Speaker Kiran Kumar Reddy the new chief minister of the state.
Media experts see this as a political maneuver by the Congress party ahead of the submission of the Justice B. N. Srikrishna panel report on Dec. 31 on the sensitive issue of the demand to carve out a separate state of Telangana that might trigger demonstrations in the state.
In an opinion piece published in The Indian Express Thursday, G.S. Vasuwrote: “It was important that the state have a powerful person at the helm when the report is rendered, regardless of whether the center decides to give or not to give a Telangana state.”
Mr. Vasu added that political indications from New Delhi suggest that “Telangana may not be a reality.”
However, “political leaders as well as bureaucrats strongly believe that it is essentially a political decision that will not depend on what the Srikrishna panel report. Therefore, the party leadership would have been expected to prep its government machinery well in advance to handle the consequences,” he writes.
An editorial in The Asian Age newspaper said: “There can be no denying, however, that the political and administrative actions of the new, fresh-faced, and relatively young chief minister will impact the course of life in the state.”
It adds: “The need to find a new leader was felt by the Congress high command in order to contain the simmering discontent within the state party set off by the factional moves of the greenhorn but disconcertingly ambitious party MP Jaganmohan Reddy, and not as a consequence of the normal run of politics and governance, or challenges posed by an Opposition in full cry.”
The Times of India newspaper in an editorial titled “Andhra Challenge” explained the Congress party’s decision to choose Mr. Reddy for the state’s new chief minister as an attempt to limit dissidence within the party. The move came after Jagan Reddy, the son of former chief minister Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy, criticized the policies of the Congress party and its president Sonia Gandhi on a private television channel, news reports said.
“Andhra Pradesh is politically crucial for the Congress—it won 33 of the 42 Lok Sabha seats from the state in the 2009 general election. Losing ground here could hurt the party’s national prospects,” the editorial said.
“The Congress hopes that his (Reddy’s) political lineage, caste and regional identities could help him unite the party and contain Jagan,” it added.
An editorial in The Hindu said, ” The Congress will have to move beyond such tokenism in responding to the separatist challenge.”
It added: “The new Chief Minister and his team must be allowed to concentrate on the developmental challenge in south India’s largest state. Governance must not be allowed to suffer, not even when the government is in crisis management mode.”
If you’d like to bring an interesting opinion on the state’s political situation to the attention of India Real Time readers, please post the link in the Comments section.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Nov 2010 10:50
by nvishal
Not only is AP going to be divided. Even the borders of telangana-andhra are going to be fortified after the division.
Telangana has a history of rising up against its rulers. It guess it takes place every few decades and it always ends in bloodshed. In the nizam days, several villages and districts had come out against the nizam.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Nov 2010 21:15
by Dasari
As long as political ambitions of Jagan and Rahul are intact, there is no threat to current Samaikhyandhra. The dual message that T may be formed and at the same time violence will not be tolerated (if it is formed why will there be violence in H & T) , clearly shows that Congress high command will try to buy more time to see either Separatists lose steam or Jagan loses the sympathy vote.
On the later, it is not just YSR sympathy vote that Congress has to worry, but they need to dilute the perception that seeamandhra people are the biggest losers with the loss of Hyderabad. No amount of time can fade out this perception and Jagan can cash this at any time. In fact the longer we wait, the stronger this perception will be.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Nov 2010 22:19
by Yagnasri
nvishal wrote:Not only is AP going to be divided. Even the borders of telangana-andhra are going to be fortified after the division.
Telangana has a history of rising up against its rulers. It guess it takes place every few decades and it always ends in bloodshed. In the nizam days, several villages and districts had come out against the nizam.
I wonder about what you meant. Telangana is now being ruled by its people just like any part of our nation. Raising against leaders, fortified borders, bloodshed are not the words we can easyly use. Comparing conditions in any place in Indian state with that of the Nizam rule is too much for any reasonable observer to accept. You may want to have some state or dont want some state to be devided. To make this kind of irresposible statements and comparisions is not going to be helpful.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Nov 2010 01:24
by Muppalla
Dasari wrote:As long as political ambitions of Jagan and Rahul are intact, there is no threat to current Samaikhyandhra. The dual message that T may be formed and at the same time violence will not be tolerated (if it is formed why will there be violence in H & T) , clearly shows that Congress high command will try to buy more time to see either Separatists lose steam or Jagan loses the sympathy vote.
On the later, it is not just YSR sympathy vote that Congress has to worry, but they need to dilute the perception that seeamandhra people are the biggest losers with the loss of Hyderabad. No amount of time can fade out this perception and Jagan can cash this at any time. In fact the longer we wait, the stronger this perception will be.
Perfectly written. Let me expand on this. Not just about Telangana or Jagan. The predicament is more than that. Telangana boiling with no solution one way or other is a strategy that cooked the goose of TDP. Just take a wild assumption that Telenagana is rolled back (violently or smartly), why would the AP people vote for INC again. The drubbing is a surety with all that they did for the past two years. Both sides will have the anger that will put them out to their 26/296 verdict that they got before the emergence of late YSR.
Hence it is in the best interests of INC to keep on selling the dreams of "Telangana seperate state" to people there while continuously managing KCR with goodies. Anyone who crosses the line can be taken care using Greyhounds.
For the Seemandhra folks money based vested interests are keeping certain key caste representatives inside INC. These guys as they did in the past will just sell the line "as long as they in the INC party madam will not dare to do anything". They will get their votes. As a backup Chiru is there to divide. He is just KCR of the coast.
This strategy divided the AP people and the Telugu pride has become a lost a cause which worked pretty well for INC. People have to come out of their slumber and throwout INC irrespective of division or not for solution. I doubt it and we will see an united AP with the division lingering forever.
In spite of all this they have to solve Jagan otherwise nothing will work.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Nov 2010 05:01
by milindc
nvishal wrote:Not only is AP going to be divided. Even the borders of telangana-andhra are going to be fortified after the division.
Telangana has a history of rising up against its rulers. It guess it takes place every few decades and it always ends in bloodshed. In the nizam days, several villages and districts had come out against the nizam.
Yes, if divided, Hyderabad needs to be fortified from Telangana...
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Nov 2010 06:25
by Mauli
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Nov 2010 08:27
by ShivaS
Ralla Desam?
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Nov 2010 09:09
by Dasari
It is too premature for Jagan to start a party. Unless Congress announces separate Talangana, he has no chance of winning any significant seats. The YSR sympathy is not enough to pull a win. The only part of YSR legacy that is very strong is his stance on samaikhyandhra. For everything Jagan has done so far, from walking with placards in Parliament to avoiding any utterances on separate T, he can easily claim rights to that legacy and sweep the elections. In the absence of separate T, he has no future outside INC. He better be patient and wait for separate T announcement.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Nov 2010 13:30
by kmkraoind
Before YSR becoming a winner, he is a best spoiler. Now Jagan call also follow the same path. May be by forming his own party he can win 25-60 seats at best, but the real catch is that he will make sure the Congress' tally is near or worst than his own party. The real estate boom and irrigation projects have created enough people with deep pockets with political aspirations. These people may not win, but definitely can defeat official Congress candidates. This is the worst nightmare that congress will face in AP and till date and foreseeable future there is no remedy to it. Even if there are any slimmer chances for Rahul baba climbing the converted throne, Jagan can nail the final nail to that dream by weaning away the crown prize of congress (AP). As he is a rebel he will loosing nothing, but congress' loose will be unimaginable. If Congress wants to directly attack Jagan through CBI, ED and other alphabetical agencies, YSR and Jagan had foreseen that and they know how to squeeze the balls of Congress so that there mind only occupied to get enough breathing space forgetting about everything. In one word Jagan is worthy thorn to remove congress thorn from India. Amid all this chaos, do not forget the master chess player CBN. Regarding Chiru, he has no brains or political Charisma. The key master strategist for Chiru/PRP is Allu Aravind and he had been out rightly rejected the people of AP. The best Chiru can spoil the winning chances of certain candidates by weaning a percentage of vote share, probably Congress can cash on it. JMT.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Nov 2010 21:26
by RamaY
People used to get stomoch aches when I compared Telangana issue with JK issue. Who invited JNU professor Mr Gilani to Hyderabad to talk on Telangana and make comparisons with JK?
Govt is spreading lies on JK and Telangana demand is democratic - Prof. Gilani
He criticized GOI for seeing JK issue as a religious one (Perhaps he is talking about a JK, Andhra Pradesh) and claimed that GOI blames it on muslims when terrorists kill people (wonder why no one asked him what is the root cause of JK terrorism?). He also said that JK people are fighting for self-determination for last 63 years.
He also said that Telangana people are fighting for their self-respect and self-determination. He also reminded that JK and Telangana were seperate nations at one time {Here you go T-vadis; understand to whose tune you are playing}. Mr Gilani blamed GOI for pushing its 'fascist' agenda on Telangana people similar to JK people.
I request T-supporters to comeup with innovative and genuine responses as I already know the following -
- You cannot take Prof. Gilani's comments and generalize it to Telangana demand.
- You cannot say that whoever invited him to Hyderabad to speak on T-issue are the true leadership of this separate Telangana agitation.
- T-vadis are asking for separate state within India, and under Indian constitution. One cannot compare it with JK issue..
Good Luck!
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 02:11
by ShyamSP
Link doesn't give source/method of the survey so take it with some salt. Essentially According to this Congress is screwed. If they give Telangana, at best They benefit in Northern Telangana by tying with TRS. In the districts South of Krishna River, it is fight between TDP and Jagan (if he forms a party) leaving Congress to third place.
http://www.gulte.com/index.php?andhra-p ... &link=6702
Who will benefit from Midterm Polls in AP? : Survey
Though many political observers are predicting the midterm polls in next year, hence Jagan moving at fast pace for floating a party to get ready for polls. Though it is suicidal act for the congress for saving the face by creating the artificial movements in the states through their secret friends. In such conditions we are accessing the poll mood of different regions for garnering MLA seats. For the congress PRP alliance may impact the prospects in the North Andhra and Godavari to some extent and alliance with TRS is will not beneficial for Congress in Telangana. Ultimately, the major beneficiaries are the TRS and TDP, congress will he history and Jagan will be a emerging force.
North Andhra (33): Congress will lose seats at large and TDP will benefit at large. Jagan will get significant seats in region.
Godavari Delta (33): Congress will wipe out; if it has alliance with PRP it will get respectable numbers. Jagan and PRP will garner some seats. In the quadrangular poll, TDP will benefit with election equations.
Krishna and Guntur (33): TDP has already clear majority in these districts; it will improve further with consolidating United AP votes. Congress, Jagan and PRP have to face rough weather.
Prakasam and Nellore (22): Jagan will consolidate Reddy vote bank and TDP will compete with Jagan. Other parties have no space in these districts.
Kadapa(10): Jagan will get majority seats and remaining will be garner by TDP
Chittor(14): TDP will get majority seats and Jagan will be in second place
Ananatapur(14): TDP sweeps the district and Jagan will get few seats
Kurnool (14): TDP and Congress will neck to neck situations and Jagan will get few seats
Greater Hyderabad (15): congress will lose its position; TDP sweeps at least repeat the GHMC election results. TRS will end up with one or two seats in optimistic case; there is no possibility of alliance with TRS and Congress in Hyderabad. Jagan may get votes but not Seats like PRP in the last election.
Ranga Reddy (14): TDP and Congress will be neck to neck position; TRS may get votes not seats.
Khammam (10): Communist and TDP sweeps and congress looses all seats, Jagan may get 1 or 2 seats.
Nalgonda (12): Communists abd TDP will get majority seats and congress is looser and Jagan keeps his identity
Mahaboob Nagar(14): TDP retains its majority and Congress improves its positions and TRS opens account
Medak (8): TRS,TDP will be neck to neck congress will be in third place
Karim Nagar(13): TRS will sweep the seats and 1 or 2 shared by others
Warangal (12): TRS will get majority seats and others will have significant seats
Nizamabad (9): TRS will get more seats and other seats will be garnered by TDP
Adilabad (10): TDP and TRS will be neck to neck position and congress in the third place
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 02:21
by ShyamSP
ShyamSP wrote:After experiments, is Congress going back to KHAM mode (actually it is RHAM) in AP?
It is back to basics for Congress in AP. They selected a ground-level SC and Telangana person for Dy CM. Geetha Reddy is a token SC.
Damodar becomes deputy CM, Geetha Reddy is speaker
http://newsofap.com/newsofap-29504-21-d ... eaker.html
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 07:41
by ShivaS
No way Geetha Reddy a SC?, She lives very close to my house, She is married to IM, but her career started as Doctor (geetha nursing home) whose clinic was adda (gathering place in Telengana parlance) for Yama Dharma raj soldiers (very lazy chaps, because she spoiled them with abundant and uninterrupted supply)
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 07:54
by Muppalla
ShivaS wrote:No way Geetha Reddy a SC?, She lives very close to my house, She is married to IM, but her career started as Doctor (geetha nursing home) whose clinic was adda (gathering place in Telengana parlance) for Yama Dharma raj soldiers (very lazy chaps, because she spoiled them with abundant and uninterrupted supply)
By birth she is SC from Hyderabad but married a Reddy from Rayalaseema.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Geeta_Reddy
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 11:15
by ShyamSP
Jagan resigned from Congress and MP position! Interesting times ahead in AP.
We need to analyze better why Congress pushed him out.
Congress' main intention seems to be to push all corruption to YSR&co/regional satraps and get clean image for Sonia&Co.
In a different angle, is this a fake separation as part of Congress' game plan?
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 11:19
by Dasari
In a stunning display of boldness, Mr YS Jagan, son of late CM, YSR, resigned from Parliament. His mother Mrs VijayLakshmi also tendered her resignation from Assembly. However, he appealed to other MLAs and MPs not to follow suit.
It is absolute mind boggling to understand their strategy, unless they got a leak that T will be announced shortly. He wrote a 5 page letter detailing the circumstances for his resignation, mostly explaining how loyal he was to Congress.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 17:45
by Muppalla
What is the surprise. Jagan has to do someting to look relevant. He finally did it. It ends a chapter like will he won't he? Good riddance for Congress party.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 18:36
by Venkarl
what if YSJ is also accidented?
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 18:41
by Yagnasri
Congress is taking a dangerous gambit here.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 18:49
by Muppalla
Narayana Rao wrote:Congress is taking a dangerous gambit here.
That is the beauty of this 125 year old party. They are the only one who has abilities take such a risk. Someone has to show the boldness.
By the way several of the second rung leaders (ZPP chairmans, panchat level leaders etc.) across the state had already resigned. This is exactly what Jagan is looking for. Another shot will be after the cabinet is formed. They definitely cannot have 163 ministers.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 18:51
by Muppalla
ShyamSP wrote:Jagan resigned from Congress and MP position! Interesting times ahead in AP.
We need to analyze better why Congress pushed him out.
Congress' main intention seems to be to push all corruption to YSR&co/regional satraps and get clean image for Sonia&Co.
In a different angle, is this a fake separation as part of Congress' game plan?
This is the whole thing that no one has clinching answer except forguesses. Why Sonia and Jagan are not in good terms. If it was Jagan even after Rossiah, it would be a windfall for INC with zero dissidence.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 19:02
by Venkarl
Anyone who wants to drive INC away from Seemandhra region..this is the right time..just 1 head has to roll..
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 22:23
by RamaY
ShyamSP wrote:
We need to analyze better why Congress pushed him out.
I do not think there is much theory. It is very natural in politics for a son/wife/daughter/brother to get a MLA/MP seat when a political leader dies. YSJ asking for a MP/MLA seat wouldn't have been a issue, but he wanted to become CM. It was a possibility in the first 1-2 weeks of YSR's death but IMO old-time congress leaders did not like YSR or YSJ personally (based on YSR's legacy).
Once that window is over, each and every move by YSJ is that of a 10yr olds. He was stubborn to get CM position as if it is his birth right. In the process he forgot that no such thing happened anywhere else, including Pilots and Scindhias (of course they were not CMs). The 2nd generation are waiting in line to become central ministers.
The automatic availability of power posistions are limited to offsprings of party founders only, and in INC that would be the Nehru family. if YSR were to be NTR, YSJ would have become the CM upon his death, but YSR is not the founder of AP INC party. YSJ somehow misses this point.
Next elections are atleast 3 years away, unless T-state is formed and the bi/trifurcated states go for elections in next 6 months. Based on the new CM's statements, it doesn't appear to be the case. My guess would be as good as anyone else's.
If there are no elections for next 3 years, I would put my money on YSJ's dead-political career.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Nov 2010 00:15
by ramana
ShivaS, She appears to be J. Eshwari Bai's daughter. Yes the one from Republican Party of India (RPI) and serial trouble maker.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Nov 2010 01:53
by svinayak
ShyamSP wrote:Jagan resigned from Congress and MP position! Interesting times ahead in AP.
We need to analyze better why Congress pushed him out.
Congress' main intention seems to be to push all corruption to YSR&co/regional satraps and get clean image for Sonia&Co.
In a different angle, is this a fake separation as part of Congress' game plan?
What is your email
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Nov 2010 01:55
by svinayak
RamaY wrote:
I request T-supporters to comeup with innovative and genuine responses as I already know the following -
- You cannot take Prof. Gilani's comments and generalize it to Telangana demand.
- You cannot say that whoever invited him to Hyderabad to speak on T-issue are the true leadership of this separate Telangana agitation.
- T-vadis are asking for separate state within India, and under Indian constitution. One cannot compare it with JK issue..
Good Luck!
Also
- we dont want to associated with terrorists who kill women and children
- we are part of the Indian civilization and culture.
- we are Indians and the smae blood as the rest of the Indians.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Nov 2010 02:09
by vijayk
Does Jagan have to be afraid of a car accident or helicopter accident? The people who can threaten the power base of the royal family or in-laws of madam's daughter some how mysteriously find a way of getting into car/truck accidents or helicopter accidents or commit suicides.

Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Nov 2010 03:07
by ramana
No he wont be accidented. Only made irrelevant by stealing his uspporters away with more gifts....
TOI article on Andhra Politics and demographics.
HYDERABAD: Faced with an onslaught from Jaganmohan Reddy, the Congress party in Andhra Pradesh is going back to the basics. Traditionally seen as a party representing the interests of the landowning Reddy community, the Congress is now going to emphasize on its Congress roots in the new political scenario in the state.
This is a change from the situation in the last few months when the Rosaiah regime was seen as buiiding up a non-Reddy coalition with Kammas and Vaishyas and other OBCs. In fact it was opposition from the Reddys that ultimately led to the ouster of Rosaiah. "But now the Congress proposes to go back on its traditional support base. The time-tested formula is expected to serve it the best," an analyst from the Congress camp said.
Though the Congress in Andhra Pradesh has been headed by the Reddys, it also has had Kapus (a cultivator caste) and Malas (a section of the Dalits) as junior partners in the alliance. In the run-up to the 2009 elections, the Kapus (now economically empowered as compared to the past) sought their place in the sun by floating their own political outfit. This is Chiranjeevi's Praja Rajyam Party. Though this party was not a spectacular success, it did win 18 seats and also 18 per cent of the popular votes.
"For a new party, this is a significant vote share," an analyst pointed out. Now the Congress to prevent the erosion of its Kapu base is offering an alliance to the PRP by inducting members of Chiranjeevi's party into the govermment. This is expected to keep the old poltical matrix intact. At the same time, to ensure that the Dalits do not leave the Congress, the Kiran Kumar Reddy government is expected to have a Scheduled Caste deputy chief minister. This will keep the Dalit votes also with the government.
More significantly, all this will make life a wee bit difficult for Jagan. With Reddy interests firmly with the Congress, young Jagan will find it difficult to wean away supporters from the Reddy community to his new outfit. This will be a setback for him because most of his supporters are from the Reddy ranks. How important the Reddys are for the Congress can be seen from the fact that of the 11 Congress chief ministers in the state, 8 have been Reddys.
"Starting with Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy who later became President of India to Kiran Kumar Reddy, most of them have been Reddys. A notable exception was P V Narasimha Rao who later became the Prime Minister," an analyst said.
Interestingly, in percentage terms Reddys just comprise 6 per cent of the population while Kapus are around 20 per cent. The Kapus are however not a homogeneous group. The Dalits form around 11 per cent of the population. The other major caste - the Kammas - are with the rival Telugu Desam Party (TDP). The Kammas amongst the richest of communities comprise a mere 5 per cent of the total population.
LINK
Now we understand the politics of NTR in stitching together the TDP and how CBN sqauandered it!
BTW, in the last para he has given the history of Andhra Pradesh in just a few lines!