Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 13 Apr 2014 00:14

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-ht/WOR ... 1-NOR.html

Daily Bhaskar reports plane was hijacked and was in Kandhar !!

News elsewere too http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/609457- ... -is-hitch/

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 13 Apr 2014 01:09

If the Americans wanted to force down the plane, DG may have been too obvious a choice. And their south poodle wouldn't be listening the pings in a general area close to DG. First the south china sea, then malacca straits and now far south Indian ocean. If it is an American led cover-up then the plane is not in these three areas.

Who controls all the major airfields in Afghanistan ? Are these airfields easily accessible to common journalists and media ? Why do we assume, if the plane is in Afghanistan then it is AQ/Taleban ? If there were special passengers or there was some special cargo, the Americans may already have got what they wanted.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Apr 2014 01:27

"Sound advice",pardon the pun!

It reminds me of an old Polish joke.An angel one day appeared to a group of poor Poles slogging like dogs in rurual commune ,under the crushing weight of Soviet Communism."The Dear Lord feels sorry for you Poles" he said "and wants to alleviate your suffering in some way.He has thus sent me to grant you two wishes.Go ahead make your wishes." The Poles huddled together and then one of them told the angel that they had decided."What's your wish" said the angel."Well,we'd like to invite the entire Chinese people for tea this weekend" said he."Strange ",said the angel,"but no problem.What's your second?.The Pole replied,"well we'd like then to come to tea the next weekend as well". "Again?" said the angel surprised,"no problem again,but why?" asked he.The Pole replied,"well,with one billion Chinese walking to Poland trampling all over Russia up and down time and again,they'll squash all those bl**dy Russians!".

Ope fading as ping not

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... l-malaysia

Malaysia's transport ministry said it was examining the NST report and would issue a response.

However, Hishammuddin Hussein, the transport minister, appeared to quash the claim. "I cannot comment [on the newspaper report] because if it is true, we would have known about it much earlier," he told reporters.

"We received numerous leads and we followed them but unfortunately, it was a roller-coaster ride, whereby we received information and investigated [them] but they were baseless."

He said that throughout the search for the aircraft, he had not confirmed anything without corroboration or verification.

Meanwhile, the Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott, said signals picked up during the search in the remote southern Indian Ocean, believed to be "pings" from the black box recorders, were "rapidly fading".

"While we do have a high degree of confidence that the transmissions that we've been picking up are from flight MH370's black box recorder, no one would underestimate the difficulties of the task still ahead of us," Abbott told a news conference in Beijing.

Search officials say they are confident they know the approximate position of the black box recorder, although they have determined that the latest "ping', picked up by searchers on Thursday, was not from the missing aircraft.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Apr 2014 01:44

Time for UBCNews to make some ghoulish prediction of how the drama will be concluded:

Air Marshal Houghton tomorrow announced the dramatic discovery of a burned lifejacker with the bar code still on the seat cushion, but also some bloodstain mark - 1000 km out from the search area in the general direction of the ocean currents predicted from the PAKMARSAT-PROFESSIONAL-POWER-POINT-PREDICTION (P-5). It will be found by - u guessed it! A P-3 plane, and retrieved by a PLN Mark-VII junk. Tragic, but brings closure. Plane disintegrated after fire and explosion, all passengers died in their seats. Hyperspectroscopic Kinglegoosynchobioanalogicdopplerdecholorificational pathological Analysis (HKA) available only in the Australian Navy Hospital in Perth confirms that the bloodstains show clear effects of HyperTerminalHypoxia (HTH) which means the passengers were all unconscious and dead of hypoxia long before the plane crashed, mercifully.
Meanwhile, the Gong-Pingers have died. No hope of finding the actual wreckage except by sheer luck, and as it happens, the ocean floor there is jagged and has a 4800 m depth with 250m silt, into which the wreckage would have been sunk too deep.
Perhaps with better funding (a few billion here and there) a better Towed Pinger Locator and a much more capable HyperDepthCruiser Robotic Super Undersea Vehicle (H-R SUV) should be developed with Malaysian and PRC funding - by the Australians and Americans - to enable wreckage search and recovery.
All sad, but closure. Finis.

What happened in DG or Seychelles or Penang or Coco Island or Huvadhu stays in DG or Seychelles or Penang or Coco Island or Huvadhu. The Kandahar CTs (KCTs) have appeared at a convenient time, n'cest pas?
Yesterday I saw Maria Schiavo, former NTSB bigwig, explain that in 1979, an airliner bound for Rio disappeared, nothing was ever found. And then she added..

They concluded it was depressurization

The SeeEnnEnn asked brilliantly:

Eeeph they found nothing, how did they know it was depressurization?

Silence. Wheels spinning.

Oh, they checked maintenance records, what could have gone wrong.. no final report was ever issues

I think their experts DO read PeeAref. Because they said of the Malaysian Scramble at 8AM:

That wasn't a scramble. It was Over-Easy

Hah! As always,
UBCNews. First with the CTs, and Only The Best CTs.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Apr 2014 08:50

the alleged radar evading sustained treetop level moves of this plane would bring pride to a veteran Jaguar or Tornado pilot.

this is like stringing together biggles + tintin + phantom + superman + garth into a single plot.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 13 Apr 2014 09:16

A_Gupta wrote:^^^But they want to be able to locate the plane within a few square kilometers if at all possible, rather than going to a precise spot to pick up something. Obviously they would like to pinpoint the location of the plane's blackbox if they could - but that would really be frosting on the cake. So Nargeolet, while being completely right, may be also missing the point.

I think he is saying that he doubts they picked anything up. So far no one has confirmed the signal is an actual blackbox signal, only that it is consistent, which could mean anything.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Apr 2014 16:31

There are currently up to 11 military aircraft, one civil aircraft and 14 ships assist in the search on Sunday.

Search area is still 340 sq.km and no signal in past 4 days. The thermal tunnel from the Maldives has moved elsewhere?
Singhaji: More like the title animated cartoon segments preceding the detective shows on BBC: All Inspecteurs Clouseaux searching the ground with magnifying glass, while victim is crying for help 3 feet above them on top of a wall.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Apr 2014 17:23

Not so fast folks Not so fast.

Have the Australians said anything lately? Watch out for the Aussies. When they say things they mean business.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Apr 2014 17:48

Even their silence sounds so profoundly professional.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Apr 2014 18:40

Watching the CNN plot of the MH flight brought out an inescapable truth.That the aircraft conducted manoeuvres (which could've been made only by human intent) that perfectly avoided entering into Thai airspace,curving round its southern border,crossing over Penang into the Malacca Straits,then too just far enough and out of range of Indonesian radars,then turning left into the Bay of Bengal between the A&N islands and Indonesia's Aceh tip,again far out to avoid Indonesian radars (A&N's well known to be switched off at night).After that where the aircraft went is open to speculation. The Maldives/DG angle has yet to be disproved with strange bans on flights to DG,leave orders,etc, happening simultaneously highly suspicious.Either it was a Yanqui operation,or they knew the truth of the matter and are indulging in a massive cover-up,perhaps because they shot it down just like TWA 800 was allegedly shot down off the US coast by accident in a secret naval exercise.
If it was hijacked for some reason,the hijackers could've completed their operation,then baled out at low level setting the aircraft on auto pilot after eliminating the pilots (if they were not involved)and let the aircraft fly on to its inevitable end. That would explain why the search is on by the wizards of Oz thousands of Km off heir coast!

But that does not resolve the alleged cell-phone calls made by a passenger about a hijack being held prisoner (at DG).f
Here are indisputable details of how DG has been used for secret rendition flights were prisoners have been held in secret concentration camps on the atoll.The issue is now a raging controversy in Britain,whose MPs feel that they were kept in the dark about the human rights excesses being carried out in secret without their knowledge. Along with the issue of the illegal deportation of the original inhabitants of the islands,DG has once again become a hot topic internationally.

http://beforeitsnews.com/international/ ... 80676.html

By Deborah Dupre (Reporter)

New Chilling MH370 Diego Garcia Links
Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:47
(Before It's News)
Diego Garcia: Footprint of Freedom or Footprint to Disappearances?

While the U.S. has vehemently refuted new claims that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 landed on Diego Garcia island south of the Maldives in the Central Indian Ocean, new information along with charity organization Reprieve’s previous research shows a sordid history of secret, unrecorded flights to the island, lies about them, torture there, and the British Government’s direct involvement there with the United States, its CIA and military.

“More than one independent source has suggested logs of flights through Diego Garcia have been destroyed. However, an examination of records available for four other rendition flights conducted by the same plane (N379P) reveals it routinely operated under various ‘special status designators’ allowing them to fly wherever they liked, whenever they liked, indicating knowledge – and authorisation – at the highest echelons of both US and British governments.” - Reprieve (emphasis added)

After Flight MH370′s disappearance on March 8, military failures to follow standard operating procedures, increased difficulties in searching for the jetliner, new reports say. [MH370 Military Officials Gagged, Fear Job Loss] Those claimed military “failures” resulted in the “missing” jet event, spurring theories of what happened. A primary theory involves Diego Garcia. A spokesman for the U.S. embassy based in Malaysia, however, has denied such claims this week, The Mirror reported.

“There was no indication that MH370 flew anywhere near Maldives or Diego Garcia,” the spokesman told Reuters.
Of course, that’s not what some 20 Maldives islanders nor some radar analysts say. But then, Diego Garcia spokesmen have a bad habit of lying, according to old and new evidence that surfaced this week.
The “spokesman,” another in a long line of unnamed MH370 sources, said the missing jetliner “did not land in Diego Garcia.” U.S authorities are working with Malaysia and Australia and other countries striving hard to locate Malaysian Flight MH370 based on areas identified by Malaysian and other international aviation officials, the mystery spokesman claimed.

To believe or not to believe Diego Garcia spokesman
Diego Garcia’s tragic history is based on blatant lies, cruelty and cover ups, as further exposed since MH370 supposedly “disappeared.”

Friday, more of Diego Garcia’s sordid past and cover-up were exposed, thanks to a UK charity Reprieve and a US Senate report that surfaced. The report indicates the British government has been “far more than complicit” in military abuses at the Diego Garcia black site, where detained suspects rendered (kidnapped) have been taken for “interrogation” (torture). [MH370: Brits’ Hand In Diego Garcia CIA Black Ops ‘Far Beyond Complicity’]

Prisoners of war known to be taken to Diego Garcia’s for abuses include: Mustafa Setmarium Naser and Mohammed Saad Iqbal Madni, according to Reprieve.
Britain leased the entire Diego Garcia island to the US for black operations. Before the US took control of it, the Brits deprived 4000 Diego Garcia islanders of food, gassed their pets, placed the islanders on boats without their belongings, and dumped them in a slum over 1,000 miles away, where to this day, they struggle to survive.

“What did [the British military] get for their cooperation?” Before Its News contributor Tom Dennen asks. “A deal on Polaris missiles.”
“The Convention Against Torture does not apply on Diego Garcia” - British Government, cited by Reprieve in Ghost Detention On Diego Garcia

Suspicions first arose in an open letter to Prime Minister Tony Blair on Dec. 28 2002, in which Human Rights Watch suggested US forces were holding and interrogating “Al Qaeda suspects” on Diego Garcia, violating international law and legal obligations of the British government, according to Reprieve. “In a subsequent series of questions and answers in Parliament between 2003 until 2008, the government consistently denied the allegations.” [See: Ghost Detention On Diego Garcia, Reprieve]

In October 2003, Time Magazine cited records from the interrogation of US prisoner Hambali, reportedly conducted on the island. Respected international investigators at the Council of Europe and the United Nations expressed similar suspicions. The US officials then made seemingly careless public statements confirming the use of Diego Garcia for secret detentions.

The British government, in response, consistently referred to US assurances to the contrary, suggesting limited British presence on, and responsibility for, the island. In fact, however, the UK has a significant military and administrative presence on Diego Garcia, that has its own independent administration run by the East Africa Desk of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.

The 1966 Anglo-American Agreement specifies that British authorities retain ‘exclusive jurisdiction over members of the United States forces with respect to offences, including offences relating to security, punishable by law in force in the territory but not by the law of the United States’.

After years of US and UK officials lying, finally, on Feb. 21 2008, then-Foreign Secretary David Miliband conceded by statement to Parliament and by letter to Clive Stafford Smith, head of Reprieve, that two rendition flights carrying US prisoners had stopped on Diego Garcia, in Jan. and Sept. 2002. The correspondence claimed ”an error in the earlier US records search meant that these cases did not come to light”.

By process of elimination, Reprieve identified one prisoner rendered through Diego Garcia as Egyptian national Mohammed Saad Iqbal Madni. “His case shows how the US secret prison system grew out of existing practices with partner states, such as Egypt, aided by cooperating states, like Britain,” Reprieve says. “It is, therefore, inconceivable that the UK was not aware of how the existing US rendition programme accelerated and broadened following 9/11.”
Excluding renditions from Afghanistan to Guantánamo Bay, at least 150-200 renditions occurred between 2001 and 2004, and in the lead-up to Madni’s apprehension, the press reported at least five high-profile rendition cases. More significantly, by law the UK must be informed of all movements of US ships and aircraft on or through Diego Garcia, and the US requires British permission to bring “unlawful combatants” onto the island.”

Was Prince William, therefore, informed MH370 passengers would be taken to Diego Garcia, thus explaining his surprise arrival in the Maldives the day the plane went missing and his disappearance after his 4-7 day supposed romantic holiday in the Maldives, for three weeks, supposedly on an “Asia Pacific tour”? No Asian or Pacific nation official or media reported his visiting them at that time.

Related articles:

Royal Couple’s MH370-Crisis-Diego Garcia-Area Luxury Holiday
Prince William’s 3-Wk MH370-Diego Garcia SAR Military Tour?

According to the George Bush and Barack Obama administrations, anyone, anywhere, for any reason can be deemed an “unlawful combatant.” This is a primary reason for widespread speculation that the US is directly involved in the missing 239 people who boarded Flight 370 and that Diego Garcia is also involved.

“More than one independent source has suggested logs of flights through Diego Garcia have been destroyed,” says Reprieve. ”However, an examination of records available for four other rendition flights conducted by the same plane (N379P) reveals that it routinely operated under various “special status designators” allowing them to fly wherever they liked, whenever they liked, which would indicate knowledge – and authorisation – at the highest echelons of both the US and the British governments.

“Crucially, flights can only be granted this special status when ‘specifically authorised by the relevant national authority’, indicating a significant degree of British complicity,” Reprieve states. Jeppesen Dataplan, a subsidiary of Boeing that provided flight-planning and logisitcal support in the transfer of prisoners, might have filed false flight logs for N379P. Such falsification involved not only Jeppesen, but also a state party, in this case the UK.

It has also been exposed by Deborah Dupré that the U.S. National Security Agency was targeting Chinese telecommunications companies Huawei and ZTE. A special operation has been under way called Operation Shotgiant, specifically targeting them for “national security” issues, as Edward Snowden documents revealed.

Both Huawei and ZTE, major telecommunications companies, had top experts board MH370. Operation Shotgiant was to find links between Huawei, the Chinese military, the People’s Liberation Army. Congress and media has identified Huawei as a national security threat to the US – on account of its unproven hacking activities with respect to US networks. The US began using a back door to hack the Chinese, doing the same to Chinese networks – and possibly much more.

“If it is true, the irony is that what they are doing to us is exactly what they have always charged the Chinese are doing through us….” said William B. Plummer, Huawei’s vice president of external affairs, in an email to The Associated Press. [Read: MH370: NSA’s Been Targeting Huawei Says Snowden Doc, Black ‘Operation Shotgiant’, by Deborah Dupré.]
Huawei produces many electronic products, including cutting edge network equipment, such as WLAN routers and fiber optic hardware. For America’s NSA, that craves total domination in global cyberspace, and for the Pentagon, that craves Full Spectrum Dominance of the world, full control over these technologies is decisive.

Awful truth about Brits participation in kidnapping innocent people and worse

Thursday, a report based on leaked accounts of a US Senate investigation into the CIA’s kidnap and torture programme after 9/11, contradicts years of British government denials that it allowed the US to use Diego Garcia for its “extraordinary rendition” torture programme. The Diego Garcia black site held “high-value” detainees with the “full co-operation” of the British government, according to Al Jazeera America, quoting US officials familiar with the Senate report. (Read: MH370: Brits’ Hand In Diego Garcia CIA Black Ops ‘Far Beyond Complicity’)

By Thursday night, UK Minister of Parliament William Hague, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs since 2010, was facing urgent demands from international and British lawyers representing CIA “extraordinary rendition” programme victims to clarify the new allegations.
“We need to know immediately whether ministers misled Parliament over CIA torture on British soil,” said Cori Crider, Reprieve’s strategic director. “If the CIA operated a black site on Diego Garcia, then a string of official statements, from both this and the last government, were totally false. Were ministers asleep at the wheel? Or, as the report suggests, have we been lied to for years?”

New details could be confirmed within weeks after the US Senate voted last week to declassify a 500-page summary of its three-year investigation into the CIA’s kidnap-torture programe. This involves examining some six million classified documents. Whether or not any of those will shed more light on the ghost MH370 flight remains unknown. It is justifiably speculated that they will.

“The almost total absence of flight logs for suspicious flights through Diego Garcia suggests similar falsification has occurred,” says Repreive.
“As Mr Madni’s case unfolds, many more questions are raised than answered about Britain’s role in US detentions, with claims to ignorance increasingly difficult to accept.
“It is time for the UK government to reveal precisely who else has been held on and rendered through Diego Garcia, what happened to them there, and where they are now.”

Learn more: Diego Garcia’s case history

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 13 Apr 2014 18:53

Seems like the Russians are too stupid or not clever enough to be involved in such conspiracies.

Should give to the Americans to be so superior that it leaves the left over intelligent world wondering about their imagined capabilities.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Apr 2014 19:09

Pl. check out this report and pcis of the so-called Iranian passengers who ha dfalse passports.The pics in the link are self-explanatory;

http://beforeitsnews.com/international/ ... 80682.html

The Malaysian government was searching for plane wreckage where it already knew it could not be and did not say that for a couple of days.

“This makes no sense,” Barrett said. “There are so many of these anomalies. Passengers’ cellphones were ringing out days after the plane disappeared, meaning that they were not under water and they were powered on.”

Again, something very odd happened to that plane, Barrett said, adding that the single most important clue in his opinion is the fact that two alleged Iranian passengers supposedly travelling with stolen passports were photoshopped. The security pictures we see of these Iranians supposedly boarding this plane were photoshopped. Their legs are exactly identical. There is no question about that.

Why are they giving us photoshopped pictures of Iranian passengers? Obviously there was some kind of a setup to try to blame this on Iran. Precisely what that is we do not know but the Israelis have been using their assets including the head of … security who is a 9/11 suspect lives in New Jersey. I forget the gentleman’s name. He and other Israelis have been putting out as much media propaganda as they can trying to blame this on Iran saying that it is a waste of time to look anywhere other than for this is being an Iranian hijacking.

Christopher Bollyn found an identical clone to this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv, Israel for the past couple of months. Barrett cals that “a show game play with his aircraft.”

“It was in Southern France. They moved it down to Israel and speculation is that there was some sort of false flag plan at foot, perhaps another [plane] into buildings deception like 9/11.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Apr 2014 21:28

The security pictures we see of these Iranians supposedly boarding this plane were photoshopped. Their legs are exactly identical. There is no question about that.
Why are they giving us photoshopped pictures of Iranian passengers?

Come on, guys, go back and look at where these "identical legs" pictures were first published. There was no "photoshopping".

P.S. I looked, of course, for evidence to support the CT, and VERY quickly found out that it was baseless.

That someone is still bandying that about, debunks the rest of what they say as well.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 14 Apr 2014 02:07

There is something weird going on.

You have all these people trying to push this CT about the plane having been hijacked by Israelis for the Rothschilds/USG apparently for this Freescale chip/rights thereof, and then you have another group of people who are trying to say this plane was hijacked by Jihadis and taken to Kandahar for the US drone console that was in the cargo bay.

Then you have Reddit where this kind of CT stuff is usually passed around ad nauseam acting very responsibly all of a sudden. I mean all the threads have the correct flair, the moderation is aggressive and the comments are slapping down anything that is CT.

This is a very weird disconnect.

Harpal Bector · Post by **Harpal Bector** » 14 Apr 2014 02:30

You know, now that I think about it - in the days of old, newspapers used to be about one and only one thing - profitably slandering your enemies, i.e deliberately plant salacious lies that undermined the public image of your business adversaries. The only time this ever changed was when the newspaper was being sold to someone else - at that point all the slander would die down and the newspaper would dress up really nice in respectable clothes and then jump into the new owners' bed.

There was a formula of sorts, a newspaper would be setup with the broken shards and rejects from another, and then it would print something really juicy that would get viewership up and when that was done, it would print staid stuff to look respectable and then be sold to someone else who would be use it for whatever they wanted to do and then it would cleaned up again, and sold again and so on.

If I were to float a CT of my own, the cleaned up Reddit would make a much better prospect for sale than the garbage dump it used to be. Maybe Steve Newhouse has become tired of its low revenue.

Right now Reddit is sounding more and more like Metabunk.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 14 Apr 2014 08:46

matrimc wrote:
Bade wrote: So how can the two pings from the same source be so far apart ?
Bade: The article you quoted talks about sound channels which can transport sound for large distances (like a mu waveguide). ..

Hello Bade matrimc et al, I am not keeping up with this thread, so sorry if what I say is already discussed..

In any case, my comments here are physics related..
Some technical discussion, believe it or not, is in our physics dhaga.. please do read the whole post if interested (posted in July 2011 - but physics remains the same..)
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1121303

...whales have learned to use that trick to communicate over hundreds (or thousands) of miles.. (BTW, I heard that lot of the pioneering work on whale communications in literature was first written by Ewing - the discover of sofar channel - apparently whales discovered it millions of years before) ... and US used the same principle (one of the most secretive work) to literally listen/monitor soviet atmospheric tests ( again from equipment hundreds of miles miles away).

Truly amazing

or http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1118218

Amber G. wrote: >>> May be a little more sophistication and specifics on details, but essentially "channels" you talk about have been studied in very great detail by many including US military..most of this has been very highly classified (over last 60+ years), some has been unclassified only recently and military has spent billions (literary) on this... may be more of this later, if there is an interest..>>>
>>>
Yes. This is a pretty well studied phenomenon ever since WWI and a lot of the details are classified. But then, any Navy which operates submarines and does anti sub warfare will know of it and infact the SDRES are pretty good, in fact top drawer in anti sub warfare and were cutting edge in sonar by mid 80s (lot of work at NPOL Kochi), (infact a current desi prof at Stan Madrassa who does research in MIMO and arrays did exactly that kind of stuff in the Navy and IIT Delhi along with Prof Indarasen and they made their name and fame on that and the signal processing)
>>>
Yes, existence of sound channel and lot of this was known around WWI and later.. but as some one (pretty famous expert) rightly said , some specifics (some quite surprising and simple) were among the most successfully kept secrets.. of WWII and later.. (till 80's or even 90's) .. Prof Ewing (who is credited for discovering SOFAR) remained fairly quiet about his later work)

( A few things are still not that well known, outside specialized scientific world)

( Some what related ..Roswell (area 51) UFO.. (1940's) is one of the most discussed CT / mystery etc (If you have not heard about it, check out wiki) .. and I believe, only in 1990's .. US conceded that it lied about the details of the crash of a "weather balloon" ... that was Prof Ewing's work too.. Officially no one talked about it, at all in all these years ... only recently there are some scientific details..)
.. I remember talking some interesting stuff with an US Navy scientist (Physics PhD and a student ) about that....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Apr 2014 11:58

admin note: this thread is being locked and will remain locked until the day a certifiable piece of debris or resolution to the case emerges. then it will be unlocked.

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 30 May 2014 19:10

bump?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 04 Jun 2014 16:43

MH370 search: Low-frequency underwater noise detected off India's southern tip

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Jun 2014 16:45

you guys do know this is a locked thread ?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Jul 2015 12:30

The unexpected discovery of a flaperon from a 777 on Reunion island,close to Mauritius,south of Diego Garcia,and since only one has been lost in the southern hemisphere,raises even more Qs than before.All this while the hunt has been off the Australian coast,despite some reports of Maldivians seeing a low-flying jet heading in the direction of DG. Various conspiracy theories have been brought forward ,hopefully this piece of evdience will narrow the search for the truth.

MH370 search: debris found 'is from Boeing 777' - live
Latest news as Malaysia sends investigators to see whether wreckage found on the French Island of Reunion, believed to be a moving part on the wing called a flaperon, comes from missing Boeing 777
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

• Debris washed ashore on Reunion could be from MH370
• Malaysia says 'almost certain' debris discovered from Boeing 777
• Key questions as plane debris 'found'
• MH370: Everything you need to know
• Six theories why plane vanished

Latest
08.48
British government sources on their way to Malaysia are working on the assumption the plane fragment was genuinely part of the missing plane, reports The Guardian's Patrick Wintour.
08.18
Warren Truss, Australia’s deputy prime minister, said the object discovered at Reunion was a “major lead” and could help to end some of the wild theories about the fate of MH370.
Noting that further investigations were required, Mr Truss said images suggested there was a “real possibility” that the object was from the missing Boeing 777. He said the code “BB670” on the part was not a serial or registration number but could be a maintenance number.
“It is a realistic possibility that wreckage from MH370 … could have reached Reunion island in the 16 months since the incident,” he said.
“This is a significant development. It is the first real evidence that part of the aircraft may have been found.”
Mr Truss said the discovery may “help to put some theories to bed but there are a lot of very wild theories around.”
“But it won’t prove that it is in any [specific] location, other than the Indian Ocean,” he said.
Australia has been overseeing the search for the aircraft in the southern Indian Ocean.

MH370: Six 'theories' why plane vanished
Conspiracy theories have flourished during the Malaysia Airline mystery, from the sinister to the far-fetched

By Our foreign staff8:
Aviation experts believe that what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 may never be proved - but that hasn't stopped a vocal global community of conspiracy theorists from trying.
• Debris found on Reunion 'is from Boeing 777' - live
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished from radars in March 2014, and until now investigators and aviation experts have said they remain in the dark about what happened to the plane and why.
The co-pilot and pilot of the Malaysian plane MH370
Malaysia's government released a statement formally declaring the crash of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 an accident in January 2015.
"The story is in stasis, and that's where it's likely to stay, probably for ever," said David Learmount, the operations and safety editor for the aviation website Flightglobal said at the time. "Getting used to that idea is the difficult bit."

Mr Learmount, a former Royal Air Force pilot, added: "One day, perhaps, some seat cushions will wash up on Australia's western coast or Antarctica's shore, but that won't help us find the wreck. I said in the beginning that we're unlikely ever to find the aircraft and that remains true."
Still, that hasn't stopped theories - often supported by not even the thinnest shred of solid evidence - from spreading.

There are more than 94,000 videos related to such theories on YouTube, many of which have been viewed tens or even hundreds of thousands of times.
Here are some of the most widely circulated theories:
1. Shot down
According to this theory, Flight 370 could have been shot down during a joint military exercise between the United States and Thailand in the South China Sea.
The theory is advanced in a book called Flight MH370: The Mystery by Nigel Cawthorne, a UK-based writer. The book describes the plane's disappearance as "the greatest mystery since the Mary Celeste" but suggests one possible explanation could be an accidental shoot-down.
"The drill was to involve mock warfare on land, in water and in the air, and would include live-fire exercises," Mr Cawthorne writes.
Relatives of those on board MH370 have criticised the book as premature and insensitive.

2. Terrorist hijacking
With the 13th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington approaching, conspiracy theorists have turned much of their focus to what some have dubbed the "9/11/14" theory.
This theory, again utterly devoid of proof but nonetheless widely circulated on the internet, suggests that Flight 370 did not crash but is in fact being prepared for use in a terrorist spectacular that will coincide with anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Among those throwing his weight behind this theory is Christopher Green from a group called "Alternative Media Television (AMTV)".
In one YouTube video, which has been viewed nearly 320,000 times, he suggest terrorists or even a rogue state might have hijacked Flight 370 and could now be "retrofitting this plane, arming it with a nuclear bomb for a later attack that could literally destroy and blow up an entire American city".
Mr Green accuses the media of being complicit "in the largest conspiracy that we have ever seen - the largest flight conspiracy since the September 11 terrorist attack."

3. Plane switch
The "plane switch" is among the most outlandish theories to have surfaced.
One of its main backers is Jim Stone, a self-described "independent journalist" whose website carries the motto: "Truth is reality, which lies and inventions fall to in the end."
Mr Stone proposes the theory that it was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 and not Flight 17 that was shot down over the Ukraine in July last year. He offers little in the way of explanation about who might benefit from switching the planes, or how they might have achieved it. Nor does he say what happened to the real MH17.
Nevertheless, he argues: "Flight 370 had to be gotten rid of, and people disposed of."
Somewhat confusingly, Mr Stone argues that the downed plane - which he refers to as MH17/370 - was actually shot down as part of a Mossad plot to hide "the dirty business" going on in Gaza.
Mr Stone also claims to have received "additional information" to suggest the recent plane crash which killed Eduardo Campos, the Brazilian presidential candidate, was "murder".
"They nailed both engines because the plane could fly with only one," he claims, again without real evidence.

4. Island landing
In the days and weeks following the plane's disappearance one of the most commonly heard conspiracy theories was that it had landed on Diego Garcia, the British-owned island in the Indian Ocean that is home to a major US military base.
The theory gained so much traction that US officials were forced to deny it.
"There was no indication that MH370 flew anywhere near the Maldives or Diego Garcia. MH370 did not land in Diego Garcia," an official from the US embassy in Malaysia told that country's The Star newspaper.
Even so, that theory has not entirely gone away, not least in China home to 153 of Flight 370's passengers and many of the most vocal conspiracy theorists.
He Xin, a Chinese blogger, continues to insist that the MH370 mystery was the result of a CIA special operation to gain control of some "special person" or "special object" on the plane.
Mr He claims the plane was forced to land at Diego Garcia, which explains why relatives believed the mobile phones of their loved ones were still ringing in the hours following the plane's disappearance.
There, MH370 was dismantled inside an aircraft hanger before being burned and dumped in the sea, Mr He argues. Like others, he offers no proof.

5. The unknown 'weapon'
Mike Adams, a veteran conspiracy theorist who runs a website called the Natural News, is known for his bizarre and often ludicrous articles.
"There are some astonishing things you're not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370," he wrote less than 48 hours after the disaster.
His explanation for how MH370 "utterly and inexplicably vanished"? Not a hijacking nor a mid-air explosion but possibly the work of "some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force" capable of plucking "airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence".
"If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever controls it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power," Mr Adams wrote.
"That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure."

6. And finally... reality check
Despite all those theories, the reality is certainly more mundane, says Mr Learmount, the aviation expert. He is convinced that whatever happened to the plane was "a deliberate act by someone on board, probably the captain".
"I know people - especially journalists - would like this weird event to have more in common with Star Wars, but actually it was probably a carefully planned suicide and revenge attack," he said.
"But will we ever be able to prove that? No."

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Jul 2015 12:41

Flight MH370 wreckage: The 14 conspiracy theories that could explain where the plane is – and what happened to it
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 25327.html

The total lack of information about MH370's disappearance has made it a fertile topic for conspiracy theorists
ADAM WITHNALL Wednesday 29 July 2015

It is now almost a year and a half since a Boeing 777 carrying 239 people set off from Kuala Lumpur airport for Beijing and disappeared without a trace.

And while wreckage that could possibly be from the missing plane has been found washed up on the Indian Ocean island of Reunion, we are still no closer to finding out exactly what happened.

The severe lack of information and tantalising mystery that surrounds the plane's fate has meant that a number of odd conspiracy theories have sprung up to fill the void - including Putin, life insurance scams and naturally, the Illuminati.

This is just a selection of the ideas about what happened to the plane – based on a range of different assumptions.

In pictures: Theories that could explain what happened to MH370
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Shot down in a military training exercise
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Shot down in a military training exerciseStolen by PutinFlown north and shot down deliberately, prompting cover-upFlown north in the ‘shadow’ of another planeTried to land on a desert island beachLanded at a US military baseHeaded for a remote airport in Langkawi, MalaysiaA fire throughout the planeAn explosion in the cockpitA struggle at altitudeA botched hijack attemptPilot suicideSabotage – for a life insurance scam or corporate attackA CIA cover-up
It was stolen by Russia and flown to Kazakhstan

We start with one of the most recent and elaborate theories – that Vladimir Putin ordered Russian special forces to hijack Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and fly it to a spaceport in Kazakhstan.

Jeff Wise, a private pilot and science writer, claims he has evidence that the plane made its way to the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, which is run by Russia as its largest space launch facility.

Wise has appeared on CNN and blogged extensively on the idea that, despite British satellite company Inmarsat’s data concluding the plane went down in the Indian Ocean, MH370 actually flew north and the navigation data was “spooked” to disguise this fact.

Police carry the debris from the unidentified aircraft from the area where it was discovered He admits he has “no idea” why the Russian President would want to “steal a Malaysian passenger plane?”

“Maybe he wanted to demonstrate to the United States, which had imposed the first punitive sanctions on Russia the day before, that he could hurt the West and its allies anywhere in the world,” he wrote in New York Magazine.

“Maybe what he was really after were the secrets of one of the plane’s passengers.

“Maybe there was something strategically crucial in the hold.

“Or maybe he wanted the plane to show up unexpectedly somewhere someday, packed with explosives. There’s no way to know.”

It was shot down in a military training exercise

While the Australian officials leading the search for MH370 say they remain “absolutely convinced” it ended up in the southern Indian Ocean, some passengers’ families – and theorists – distrust the unprecedented satellite data analysis involved.

Map showing the new search area in the Indian ocean for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 Map showing the new search area in the Indian ocean for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 Among those who supported this view were the British journalist and author Nigel Cawthorne, who suggested one theory, based on the eye-witness testimony of New Zealand oil rig worker Mike McKay, that the plane was shot down shortly after it stopped communicating with air traffic controllers.

At the time there was a series of war games taking place in the South China Sea involving Thailand, the US and personnel from China, Japan, Indonesia and others, and Cawthorne has linked this to Mr McKay’s claims to have seen a burning plane going down in the Gulf of Thailand.

It was flown north and shot down deliberately, prompting cover-up

At a stage in the investigation when it was believed the plane could have flown for some time from where it disappeared along either a northern or southern corridor, many posted on forums suggesting that if it had been the former we would never hear about what happened.

Some still distrust the Inmarsat data and support this view, particularly after former RAF navigator Sean Maffett told the BBC that after 9/11, any unidentified airliner entering the airspace of another country would lead to fighter jets being scrambled.

“If the plane is in the northern arc it could easily have been shot down,” he said. This theory also involves a national – or possibly international – cover-up, based on the premise that no country would want to admit to shooting down an airliner full of passengers from all over the world.

It was flown north in the ‘shadow’ of another plane

Another theory suggests that instead of flying south, the plane flew north in the “shadow” of another airliner around half an hour to an hour after dropping off civilian radar.

A relative of one of the Chinese passengers from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 holds a candle A relative of one of the Chinese passengers from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 holds a candle The aviation blogger Keith Ledgerwood argued that MH370 and Singapore Airlines flight 68 were in the same vicinity at the time, and said: “It became apparent as I inspected SIA68's flight path history that MH370 had manoeuvred itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 18:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68.”

By flying a short distance behind and most likely a little above the altitude of SIA68, also a Boeing 777, Ledgerwood said that it would be able to appear as a single blip on radar screens.

SIA68 flew on to Spain – and this theory suggests MH370 could have branched off and landed in one of a number of locations across Xinjiang (north-east China), Kyrgyzstan or Turkmenistan.

Experts have said that the idea sounds “feasible”, and that even if higher-resolution military radar was monitoring SIA68 operators might have dismissed the fact that there were two objects as an technical glitch or echo.

It tried to land on a desert island beach

After reports that the plane had turned left shortly following its disappearance from civilian radar screens, speculation grew that it could have landed on a remote beach somewhere like the Andaman Islands, which lie between Indonesia and the coast of Thailand.

Indian sand artist Sudarsan Pattnaik gives the final touches to a sand sculpture on December 29, 2014 Indian sand artist Sudarsan Pattnaik gives the final touches to a sand sculpture on December 29, 2014 Though CNN reported that locals dismissed the idea a Boeing 777 could land on an airstrip there undetected, the archipelago consists of hundreds of remote islands with some long stretches of sand.

Former BA pilot Steve Buzdygan said it would be difficult – but not impossible – to bring a 777 down on a long deserted beach.

It landed at a US military base

One of the more outlandish conspiracy theories that has gained some traction online is the idea that MH370 could have been “captured” and flown to a military base on the UK-owned tropical atoll of Diego Garcia, in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

The base is run by the US, and some have reportedly said in forum postings that the Kremlin has put some credence into this possibility.

Parents and children release a sky lantern, with a note of prayer written for MH370, on 13 September Parents and children release a sky lantern, with a note of prayer written for MH370, on 13 September Such is the strength of belief in this theory that the US government has been forced to issue a denial. A spokesperson for the US embassy in Malaysia told the local Star newspaper that there was “no indication that MH370 flew anywhere near the Maldives or Diego Garcia”. “MH370 did not land in Diego Garcia,” he added.

It headed for a remote airport in Langkawi, Malaysia

One theory, put forward by another aviation blogger named Chris Goodfellow, has it that the sudden left turn came after major catastrophe knocked out a range of the plane’s electronics, from transponders to communications equipment.

In this scenario and in the middle of the night, Goodfellow argued, the pilot would redirect towards the nearest safe airport.

“This pilot did all the right things,” he said. “Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000ft (4,000m) strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000ft ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.”

This theory assumes that the plane was in fact controlled manually once it disappeared – and that it did not make it to Langkawi.

There was a fire throughout the plane

Many theories accept that the Inmarsat satellite analysis is accurate – that the plane headed south into the Indian Ocean and flew on for hours before a final, partial “handshake” in a remote location thousands of miles off the west coast of Australia.

The M/V Fugro Discovery, which along with the Malaysian-contracted GO Phoenix, is searching for MH370 The M/V Fugro Discovery, which along with the Malaysian-contracted GO Phoenix, is searching for MH370 The issue here becomes explaining what happened in the cabin between the last contact with flight controllers and the plane’s seemingly inevitable crash far out to see.

One suggestion is that a fire broke out, not just in the cockpit but throughout the interior of the plane. The implication is that this resulted in the attempt to turn back, after which the fire killed those on board.

This theory would then have it that the fire went out before damaging the exterior of the plane, which flew on autopilot until its fuel ran out.

Yet such a fire would be expected to spread with at least some warning – and that surely would have given the pilots time to issue a mayday distress signal.

There was an explosion in the cockpit

The theory of a sudden explosion within the cockpit before the turn left could explain why there was no attempt to signal for help.

Since 9/11 cockpits doors have been fortified to become extremely difficult to bypass, and such a sudden incident could perhaps have incapacitated both pilots while keeping out the rest of the crew.

A Malaysian man lights up candles during a vigil in remembrance for passengers and crew of the Malaysian Airline flight MH370 & MH17 in Petaling Jaya near Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia A Malaysian man lights up candles during a vigil in remembrance for passengers and crew of the Malaysian Airline flight MH370 & MH17 in Petaling Jaya near Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia This explanation does not seem to tally with the claims of some Malaysian officials, however, that the change in direction was the result of “seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer”, or the latest reports that the flight avoided detection deliberately.

There was a struggle at altitude

Though Malaysian officials believe that the plane was deliberately diverted, and that its communications systems were turned off one after the other, a detailed background check into all 227 passengers has cleared all of suspicion.

If, however, we do accept that the plane was the subject of a passenger hijacking, it remains to be explained why the hijackers did not try to do more than fly the plane into the middle of the southern Indian Ocean.

One theory suggests that there was some kind of struggle for control of the plane that ultimately ended with mutual destruction.

Further analysis of data by Malaysian officials suggests that the plane was flown erratically once it left civilian radar, climbing to 45,000ft before dropping very low. Buzdygan told the BBC he would resort to this sort of flying if faced with would-be hijackers. “I’d try to disorientate and confuse the hijackers by throwing them around,” he said.

There was a botched hijack attempt

The climb to 45,000ft could also have been carried out by the hijackers once they had taken control – in a bid to kill the passengers on board.

Family members of passengers aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 burn incense to pray at Yonghegong Lama Temple in Beijing Family members of passengers aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 burn incense to pray at Yonghegong Lama Temple in Beijing At such an altitude it could be possible to depressurise the cabin, causing oxygen supplies to be deployed. These run out after 12-15 minutes and, if those flying the plane had access to another oxygen supply, could have been an attempt to prevent anyone intervening.

Under this theory the suggestion is clearly that the attempt failed, killing the hijackers as well.

The pilot committed suicide

As part of the ongoing criminal investigation in Malaysia, police are looking into the state of mind and possible motives of the captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.

The Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar has said that “all possibilities” will be looked into, and there have been reports that Shah was going through a difficult marriage break-up.

Yet such comments have been rubbished by the man’s relatives, who have described him since as a dedicated family man and model professional.

Such an incident would mirror the Germanwings disaster, in which pilot Andreas Lubitz, who suffered from serious mental health problems, deliberately crashed his plane, killing all 150 people on board.

Hugh Dunleavy, the commercial director of Malaysia Airlines, described Shah as a seasoned pilot with an excellent record.

“There have been absolutely no implications that we are aware of that there was anything untoward in either his behaviour or attitude,” he told Reuters. “We have no reason to believe that there was anything, any actions, internally by the crew that caused the disappearance of this aircraft.”

It was sabotage – for a life insurance scam or corporate attack

One of the other strands of the criminal investigation regards whether the plane was subject to some form of sabotage – either as part of a life insurance scam or over industrial espionage.

A young relative tries to stick paper planes on a board during an event to remember the 100th day of the missing crews and passengers of Malaysian Airlines plane MH370 in Damansara, Selangor A young relative tries to stick paper planes on a board during an event to remember the 100th day of the missing crews and passengers of Malaysian Airlines plane MH370 in Damansara, Selangor Bakar said that when passengers and crew were being investigated, police were looking for “Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities.”

There were also 20 employees of the US silicon chip company Freescale Semiconductor on board the plane at the time, and a retired Delta Airlines pilot has suggested the plane’s disappearance was an attempt to steal technology the engineers had applied – but not yet received – a patent for.

Naturally, some theorists have pinned the blame for this piece of corporate sabotage squarely on Lord Rothschild and the Illuminati.

There was a CIA cover-up

Finally, the former prime minister of Malaysia Mahathir Mohamad waded in last year with his own theory – suggesting that, one way or another, the CIA is definitely hiding something.

In a blog entry posted on 18 May 2014 entitled ‘Boeing Technology – What goes up must come down’, Dr Mahathir Mohamad makes ten claims including that the plane was taken over remotely by officials working for Boeing and the CIA.

“The plane is somewhere, maybe without MAS markings,” reads Dr Mohamad’s post on chedet.

“Someone is hiding something. It is not fair that MAS and Malaysia should take the blame,” 88-year-old Dr Mahathir, who was Malaysia's prime minister between 1981 and 2003, alleges.

“Airplanes don’t just disappear,” he said, concluding: “For some reason the media will not print anything that involves Boeing or the CIA. I hope my readers will read this.”

Boeing have denied Dr Mohamed’s theory.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Jul 2015 12:47

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 90455.html
MH370: Airlines boss claims missing plane did not crash into the Indian Ocean
Emirates Airlines boss Sir Tim Clarke believes the missing aircraft was under control to the end - a theory counter to prevalent thinking

The boss of an international airline company has said he believes missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 did not go down in the Indian Ocean.

Emirates Airlines Sir Tim Clark said to German newspaper Der Spiegel he did not believe the flight was on autopilot when it disappeared, claiming: “MH370 was, in my opinion, under control, probably until the very end”.

His comments run counter to prevalent thinking that the aircraft was on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the southern Indian Ocean.

“Every single second of that flight needs to be examined up until it, theoretically, ended up in the Indian Ocean - for which they still haven't found a trace, not even a seat cushion,” he said.

Sir Tim added: “Our experience tells us that in water incidents, where the aircraft has gone down, there is always something.

“We have not seen a single thing that suggests categorically that this aircraft is where they say it is, apart from this so-called electronic satellite ‘handshake,’ which I question as well,” the airline boss said.

Emirates Airlines operates 127 Boeing 777 airplanes – more than any other airliner - which is the same model of missing MH370.

Sir Tim said it was the total disappearance of the aeroplane that ignited his suspicions and called for better transparency in the investigation. “I’m totally dissatisfied with what has been coming out of all of this,” he said.

In remarks likely to further inflame conspiracy theorists, Sir Tim added: “We need to know who was on the plane in the detail that obviously some people do know. We need to know what was in the hold of the aircraft.”

The airline boss also scotched suggestions for improved tracking equipment, saying the Boeing 777 model possessed one of the world’s most advanced communications platforms and claimed tracking devices should no longer be under the control of pilots – as they currently are.

“Disabling it [the tracker] is no simple thing and our pilots are not trained to do so. But on flight MH370, this thing was somehow disabled, to the degree that the ground tracking capability was eliminated.”

The M/V Fugro Discovery, which along with the Malaysian-contracted GO Phoenix, is searching for MH370 The M/V Fugro Discovery, which along with the Malaysian-contracted GO Phoenix, is searching for MH370 The latest analysis from the Australian transportation Safety Bureau (ATSB) said the flight went into a slow left turn and spiralled into eh Indian Ocean when its fuel ran out.

It has been seven months since Flight MH370 disappeared with all 239 people on board.

Extensive searches have revealed nothing, with the next phase of the operation to locate the plane now beginning following an extensive mapping process of the ocean floor.

Malaysian Airlines have faced angry accusations from the families of those on board over their handling of the situation.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 30 Jul 2015 12:55

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... ion-island

Julien Delarue, a journalist with Journal de L’île de la Réunion, says local police on the ground have confirmed reports that remnants of a badly damaged suitcase have been found at Saint-André, close to where the plane debris was recovered.

But investigators would now have to assess whether there could be any possible connection to the debris, he said. The chances are high that this is a coincidence.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Jul 2015 13:05

I don't think there are governments interested in funding to find a disappeared plane.
If some mischievous new agency spreads the rumor that ISIS has something to do with MH-370, We could have some focus on that. But otherwise, I don't have hopes on that.
If crowd funded may be with Elon Musk, Larry Page fronting some tech, its possible. Even this has been tried, I guess?
Unless it has beeen attributed to someone or something, this cannot start.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Jul 2015 13:52

So they have finally dropped a piece, kept dunked in sea-water for a long time, into the Indian Ocean where it would be found. Although it is close to Diego Garcia, the TV bimbos all had these pictures of "circulation" where the world's oceans were all going round in circles. Thus the piece found off Reunion Island was supposed to have come from near North Australia.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Jul 2015 15:04

some data points
- maldives(where villagers claimed seeing a low flying plane), diego garcia, mauritius and reunion island are in a straight line when you consider great circle route off a 2d map
- the french navy has a big base in reunion island. france has kept reunion as a overseas territory and some uninhabited islands further south as a 'scientific station' though the real idea is to keep a foot in the door once the loot and rape of antarctic resources starts later this century..these naval units sometimes come near india for joint exercise
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?o ... e-security

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Jul 2015 16:33

IMO the DG CTs are now MUCH stronger. May be an "Iranian F-14" deja vu, though what the plane was doing there, is another matter.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 30 Jul 2015 18:15

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/ ... EM20150730

Malaysia is "almost certain" that plane debris found on Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean is from a Boeing 777, the deputy transport minister said on Thursday, heightening the possibility it could be wreckage from missing Flight MH370.

The object, which appeared to be part of a wing, was being sent to offices of France's BEA crash investigation agency in Toulouse to verify if was indeed the first trace of the lost plane to be found, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 30 Jul 2015 22:16

There will another range of CT's if it is and possibly known if the flaperon was on engaged position

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 30 Jul 2015 22:31

Work of Radical wing of Greenpeace? Do they that kind of capability? They have always been at loggerheads with the French.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 30 Jul 2015 22:33

Indian ocean gyre

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jul 2015 23:55

Merged all the posts into the old thread for continuity

ramana

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2015 02:04

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/world/mh3 ... index.html

Saint-Denis, Reunion Island (CNN)Boeing investigators are confident that debris found on a remote island in the Indian Ocean comes from a 777 aircraft, according to a source close to the investigation.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2015 02:07

Will debris found near Reunion led to a rethinking of past theories?

Not necessarily.

Thomas said, if anything, the location of the potential debris confirms modeling from the University of Western Australia that showed material from the plane could wash up around Reunion between 12 to 24 months after the plane's disappearance.

Despite the modeling, no one had been searching in that area, he said, because of the vast nature of the Indian Ocean and the multitude of factors that meant finding anything would be matter of luck and time.

"It was a matter of waiting for something to wash up," he said.

Thomas said, however, if confirmed the find would dispel the conspiracy theories that suggest investigators were searching in the wrong place, or that somehow the plane may have landed safely undetected.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/world/mh3 ... index.html

Scroll to the bottom for a nice diagram of where the debris would drift to.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jul 2015 04:11

So they have confirmed that the part is from a 777, but **NOT** the actual serial number match. Which means that it could equally well have come from Ukraine. New CT: Ukraine shootdown was to provide an unaccounted flaperon and other parts?? (just kidding!) Note the convenient time-lapse and the discovery on a beach. Was no one on that beach all these months, I wonder, or did they just find it washed up at low tide? Why would this part float? I don't think that is sealed shut, there must be wiring going through. Aluminum has sp. gr >2, hain? Is this some composite?

Think on that for a moment: they are now saying: Aha! Catastrophic shattering, obviously. If so, and if parts float, why wasn't the wreckage seen scattered earlier?

Was there some kind of tsunami on Reunion Island to scrape up metal debris from the bottom and put it conveniently on the beach?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2015 05:27

^^^ referring you to Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments ... y_after_a/

Perhaps:

Made of extremely light-weight metal, probably aluminum and fibreglass, with multiple more-or-less airtight compartments, designed for extreme sturdiness and resistance to fire and intense structural stress. Probably some sort of honey-comb type design - thus tons of small little compartments.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jul 2015 05:35

Sounds like Berkekey-Stanford. This IS the key:

If you watch the video on http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/mh ... stigation/ you'll see just a few people very easily carrying it from the place where it was found - that's how lightweight it is.

But if it was really floatable, it would have been easily carried by 1 person. OK, maybe 2 because it's unwieldy? yes, the 4 ppl don't seem to be straining, true.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 Jul 2015 05:39

But but the aussies did some Indian ocean current predictions and someone actually said that things will wash up ashore in Reunion / Madagascar / Southern (yes southern) coast of Australia.

If it turns out that the airplane was lost much outside of the area as predicted by Inmarsat walas, the bobs are going to get one big Anda on their faces !!!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 31 Jul 2015 05:41

Someone's said that a suitcase also washed ashore in some neighbouring island.

This means that there could be more debris in the direction of the ocean current leading to the crash area.
Now that Le-inspecteur Clouseaus are hot on the trail, soon all the secrets will be revealed.