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Extract from Jane Perlez’s interview of Andrew Small, policy researcher at the German Marshall Fund of the United States in Washington DC and author of “The China-Pakistan Axis: Asia’s New Geopolitics” dealing with the Indo-US relationship published in the New York Times:
Q. President Obama’s trip to India last month is still fresh in people’s minds. It was a three-day panorama of effusive and friendly images and words. How did that go down in Pakistan and China?

A. Evidently neither side has reacted that well, and I think there was some surprise — not so much about the U.S. willingness to embrace [Prime Minister Narendra] Modi, but how forward-leaning the new Indian leader is over relations with the United States, and what the implications of that might be. The Chinese complained specifically about the “joint strategic vision” statement for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean, and the Pakistanis were more generally piqued. The fact that the [Pakistani] chief of army staff paid a visit to Beijing on the very same day as Obama was in India showed the need for a little bit of symbolic counterplay, and China’s willingness to go along with it.

Q. From time to time, the Chinese have told the Pakistanis that, though we are very good friends, don’t alienate the United States too much. Why do they say that?

A. China wants Pakistan to benefit from as much U.S. financial largess and military support as it can. Part of Pakistan’s value to China continues to come from its playing a balancing role against India, and it can do that far more effectively with advanced U.S. defense equipment and economic and diplomatic backing than when it gets treated as a pariah state. A healthy U.S.-Pakistan relationship also acts as something of a constraint on the depth of U.S.-India ties. Beijing is also very wary about being caught in the middle of tensions between the two sides.

Poor U.S.-Pakistan relations invite a lot more pressure and scrutiny on China’s own dealings with Pakistan, which was the case throughout the 1990s over nuclear parts and missile sales, and the worst-case scenario — outright military confrontation between the United States and Pakistan — would be a disaster for China’s position in the region.
Read it all:

Q. and A.: Andrew Small on the China-Pakistan Relationship
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So NaMo hit two vultures with one hug!!!

Plus a hidden one.
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One thing struck me.maybe others have noted this before.

NaMo was demonised by US for 10 years.We were wondering and 'advising' how NaMo would relate to US.700% credit to NaMo for ignoring the personal insults/humiliations etc and reaching out to Obama and co.He has established some chemistry with Obama.NaMo has put interests of India first by sort of neutralising US mischief making ability.

Obama has to pander to 'SD democrats',evangelicals but that politicking is going to be muted.Even in Delhi,it was almost as an afterthought that Obama did his sermonising.Also his "prayer breakfast" hit a raw nerve with US fundamentalists against whom it was 'aimed'.Why would Obama have any enthusiasm for white evangelical imperialism.His father was an AA and his ancestors fought British racists.The Joshua project is a white republican/democrat pet project not Obamas.
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Guys, please no blue on blue... you are all saying the same thing in different ways essentially. It's a forum people, it is not easy to differentiate between writing style and thinking style...

BRF kudumbakam and all that...
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The need of the hour is to distribute that Swarajjya mag article (baring the EJ-SeeEyeYeh nexus)
through social media.........[Recall that article was removed within 24 hrs]
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svenkat wrote: ................ Why would Obama have any enthusiasm for white evangelical imperialism.His father was an AA and his ancestors fought British racists.The Joshua project is a white republican/democrat pet project not Obamas.
Granted US President Obama is not Caucasian. Nonetheless by all accounts he is a follower of Christism not to mention being an observant / practicing Christist at that, Mohammadden ancestral roots notwithstanding. Recollect the controversy regards US President Obama’s now past association with the Trinity United Church of Christ and the Christist cleric Jeremiah Wright heading it. Why then should he not have sympathy for promoting a Christist agenda in India even if promoted by a variant of Christism not entirely his own?

Then there is the reverse form of playing communal vote bank politics by appealing to majority religion rather than minority religion as in India by our “Secular” political parties like the Congress and Samajwadi Party.
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Modi went out of his way to *put* a warm display for eleven dingdong even with the record we have with the cheenis. So it should be no surprise that he tried the same with Ombaba. BTW, he will be visiting China pretty soon and IF he had an opportunity he would have tried to re-create the Ahmedabad atmospheric again.

Ignoring Amreeka is not an option for it will only benefit the Ch1nks and the Bakis. Plus the *opportunity* for trade, technology, financing, etc is much greater with US than with any other *single* country. We don't have to be in a tight embrace. We can have a very nice transactional relationship. I think Modi understands this aspect. He is smart enough to know the limitations of the relationship and agile enough to make small course corrections when needed.

As someone noted that the India-China relationship was at their best when India was actively being courted during the noclear deal talks and just after.
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arunji,
I am admitting there will be christist influence on Obama.He has to 'obey' those who are the 'deep state' in his country.Thats his dharma.We saw that in the DK episode.But he is not kerrorist/Clingon in the sense he will follow,not lead.His pronouncements lack the edge of christian racism like in the case of Nixon/kisasinger,np ayotullahs/uneven/raphael types.We will make a 'mistake going after him'.Hes an asset to us because that shrillness/self righteous racist morality does not come to him spontoneausly or otherwise.

The US will make noises regarding ROI(on planting churches and soul harvesting).But investment is in our land.They have no control when we 'crack the whip'.

Also please note pankasjis comments with which we would all agree.
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Indian-American Governor Bobby Jindal's potrait sparks race row
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/india ... 150207.htm
A portrait of Indian-American Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal has sparked a racial controversy in the US with the Republican presidential aspirant appearing to be a white man in the painting instead of his actual skin tone.
:rotfl:
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^^There's a limit to the bullshite that even the Americans will take...
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Hmm. Rather than planning to sell railway "engines" to Bakistan I should plan to import some "Fair And Lovely" from India for Gov. Jindal and his types to try out.
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There is nothing wrong with a bit of fair and lovely -- http://www.infodriveindia.com/india-exp ... eport.aspx
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VHP hits back at Obama, calls him ‘stooge of Church’
NEW DELHI: US President Barack Obama's recent remarks on 'religious intolerance' in India has irked the Hindu right in the country. Criticizing his latest remark — that "acts of intolerance" experienced by religious faiths of all types in India in the past few years would have shocked Mahatma Gandhi —Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) on Friday called Obama a "stooge of the Church" and asked the Narendra Modi government to identify and weed out people in the Indian political class suspected to be batting for the Church.

VHP joint general secretary Surendra Jain said that Obama should instead take care of his country which was witnessing "atrocities" against blacks. "He (Obama) is himself black. Despite that, he has not been able to stop the atrocities being committed on blacks," he said.

Alleging the influence of Christian missionaries on Obama, Jain said, "Obama seems to like his natural allies more than his friend. He made such statements in India and abroad after meeting certain people here on his visit. It is well known that Church plants people in politics. Obama has not been a good guest."

VHP also agreed with Hindu Mahasabha, which is preparing to forcibly marry off couples seen together on Valentine's Day. According to VHP, cases such as the Nirbhaya gang rape happen because couples openly express love on Valentine's Day. Jain said, "There should be no violence (on February 14), but those who love each other must get married. In the name of love, do not indulge in naked display of lust. It is because of these celebrations that incidents like (Delhi gang rape) happen."

On its right to be the moral police, Jain retorted, "What right did Mahatma Gandhi have to steer the freedom struggle? When police do not take action, society will have to."

On Obama's comments, Jain said the US is only worried about Christians and never talked about atrocities on Hindus in Bangladesh. "Obama should have rather asked Christian missionaries to stop conversion. It is because of their antics that there is communal disharmony in India. We ask the government to identify and weed out such people in politics who are planted by the Church," Jain said even as he brushed aside recent attacks on churches in Delhi as a "law and order problem".

"Even temples get vandalized, but do we say Christians have done it? Christians are protesting for political mileage and finance," said Jain.
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Kati wrote:The need of the hour is to distribute that Swarajjya mag article (baring the EJ-SeeEyeYeh nexus)
through social media.........[Recall that article was removed within 24 hrs]
Here it is on IndiaFacts

The Religious Crusades of the CIA
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>>comeback from indian youth

more like comeback from indian adults to prepubescent amreekan teens

>>fair and lovely

hain jee.. whatfor need for fair and lovely when paintings do the trick no
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pankajs wrote:Modi went out of his way to *put* a warm display for eleven dingdong even with the record we have with the cheenis. So it should be no surprise that he tried the same with Ombaba. BTW, he will be visiting China pretty soon and IF he had an opportunity he would have tried to re-create the Ahmedabad atmospheric again.

Ignoring Amreeka is not an option for it will only benefit the Ch1nks and the Bakis. Plus the *opportunity* for trade, technology, financing, etc is much greater with US than with any other *single* country. We don't have to be in a tight embrace. We can have a very nice transactional relationship. I think Modi understands this aspect. He is smart enough to know the limitations of the relationship and agile enough to make small course corrections when needed.

As someone noted that the India-China relationship was at their best when India was actively being courted during the noclear deal talks and just after.
its not about ignoring the US but laying down certain groundrules which the athithi does not violate. decorum does matter. speaking of gandhi, his views on civilization would be particularly apt.
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US body lauds Obama’s remarks on religious freedom in India :((
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 868496.ece
“President Obama’s timely comments underscore the importance of India getting religious freedom right,” said Katrina Lantos Swett, Chairwoman of the US Commission for International Religious Freedom (USCIRF).
:((
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sooraj wrote:US body lauds Obama’s remarks on religious freedom in India :((
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 868496.ece
“President Obama’s timely comments underscore the importance of India getting religious freedom right,” said Katrina Lantos Swett, Chairwoman of the US Commission for International Religious Freedom (USCIRF).
:((
these creepy crawly's have weighed in just as expected.
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I thought she forgot to smoke her usual stuff before making the statement. Then I read the whole article... she is still smoking that stuff alright, just that it is a slightly different kind of version.
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Rupa Subramanya @rupasubramanya
.@USCIRF 's Katrina Lantos Swett wanted visa ban against Modi to continue.All but says Indians shld vote against him http://t.co/T0J2uyXeqU
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The new indian express has an editorial today
http://www.newindianexpress.com/editori ... 655862.ece
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The things is to brand the USCIRF as fundamentalist, extremist and white christian supremacist by our non-state actors / right wing think tanks ... They can be as vociferous as they want to be. They throw much you too throw an equal quantity of muck ... we are anyway brown but they are white no.

The state should not elevate the status of these busybodies by commenting on them. The state level comment should be reserved for state level policies of the US.
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Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer supports India while commenting on remarks made by US President Obama at Thursday’s "National Prayer Breakfast":

“What the hell is he doing bringing India into this? I mean, it’s the first time I’ve heard India drawn into this discussion. Here he is essentially insulting, and it’s because it’s a Hindu country. It’s not Muslim. I mean, he’ll say in the name of Christ. He won’t say in the name of Muhammad and in the name of Allah. He won’t use those words. And then he goes after India, which is probably our strongest, most stable, most remarkable, democratic ally on the planet, considering all the languages and religions that it harbors. It has the second-largest Muslim population on Earth. And yet he goes after it as a way of saying hey, everybody here is at fault. They are not at fault.”

Interview transcript here. :

Charles Krauthammer On The President’s Prayer Breakfast Remarks And Brian Williams
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Well, after the helicopter story Brian Williams is the news wherever he is involvef. Kraut. should have picked someone else to talk about his view.

The inner superiority complex is showing in Obama, thats all. Even when well meaning, most benovelent, the US-borns just do not know how to treat a furriner with respect.

Its the same with cannuks, poodles, froggies, hitler-spawns,internees, what to say of the rusdians, chinese or east europeans.

I think this is another storm in a teacup meant to deflect attention from the real goings on. Why? No clue. India is not a big enough sheet to cover anything. Wont provide any real distraction.

Obama would do well to focus on the weak economic relationship (that also isnt getting any stronger in the next two years) instead of the freedom wine and liquor. Leave the cultural stuff out, the two sides are barely on the same planet as is.

India's religions dont get the opportunity to routinely molest children. Or to make them into militants. Or to keep them from school. Or employ them in sweatshops.

All of that is in the Industry. Focus on industrial reform and corruption and sanitation and water managrment and solar power and transport. I mean there are a million constructive things to do. And those would get you karma.

Not religion. The US doesnt have any advice to hand out on race or religion. Wont, ever.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 155350.cms
US primed to unlock potential of ties with India: Barack Obama - PTI via ET
WASHINGTON: The US is "primed to unlock" the potential of relations with India as part of its rebalance to Asia and the Pacific, President Barack Obama has said as he unveiled his new national security policy, days after his historic second trip to India.

Sending his second National Security Strategy (NSS) to Congress, Obama said, "We are primed to unlock the potential of our relationship with India."

"Our rebalance to Asia and the Pacific is yielding deeper ties with a more diverse set of allies and partners. When complete, the Trans-Pacific Partnership will generate trade and investment opportunities -- and create high-quality jobs at home -- across a region that represents more than 40 per cent of global trade," he said.

Running into more than 30 pages, the National Security Strategy says, in South Asia, the US continue to strengthen its strategic and economic partnership with India.

"As the world's largest democracies, we share inherent values and mutual interests that form the cornerstone of our cooperation, particularly in the areas of security, energy, and the environment," it said.

"We support India's role as a regional provider of security and its expanded participation in critical regional institutions. We see a strategic convergence with India's Act East policy and our continued implementation of the rebalance to Asia and the Pacific," the strategy said.

"At the same time, we will continue to work with both India and Pakistan to promote strategic stability, combat terrorism, and advance regional economic integration in South and Central Asia," said the National Security Strategy.

This is the second national security strategy of the Obama administration, the first one being released in May 2010.

In the 2010 strategy, the White House said the US and India are building a strategic partnership that is underpinned by their shared interests, shared values as the world's two largest democracies, and close connections among people.

"India's responsible advancement serves as a positive example for developing nations, and provides an opportunity for increased economic, scientific, environmental, and security partnership," the 2010 edition of the NSS said.

Obama said the scope of US cooperation with China is unprecedented, even as US remains alert to China's military modernisation and reject any role for intimidation in resolving territorial disputes.
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^So unkil wants to eat cake & have it too. Wants to have cosy relations with both India and Pak.

IOW, will continue to ply Pak with funds, arms, intel and lifelines. Don't see why we shouldn't call this sham for what it is. Why purchase arms from unkil if the same fungible monies goto subsidizing pak's armaments, eh?
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I do not see everything as black and white. Work together with the US on issues of mutual interest. Buy US weapons if it is the best in its category and manufactured 100% in India and is cost effective .... so on and so forth.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 152630.cms
US charges six with supporting Islamic militant groups: Justice Department
The six are Bosnian natives living in Missouri, Illinois and New York. Five of them were arrested in the United States and charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists. The sixth person is overseas, the department said in a statement.

Members of the group conspired to provide money and equipment - including U.S. military uniforms, combat boots, tactical gear, military surplus goods and firearms accessories - to be used to commit crimes outside the United States, according to a federal grand jury indictment made public by the Justice Department.

It said people in Turkey and Saudi Arabia acted as intermediaries who received the money and property from the defendants in the United States and transferred them to militants fighting with groups in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere.

The group transferred thousands of dollars over the past two years to purchase equipment for a man identified as Abdullah Ramo Pazara and other foreign fighters traveling to join battles in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere, the indictment said.
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Quoting myself from earlier in the week:
arshyam wrote:Now, by harping on the same point only w.r.t. India means that our media will pick it up and tom-tom it as a warning to NaMo and GoI. Not that I want Ombaba to be aware of Indian media's faults, but the US and global media will also take their cue to bash India when convenient. After all, they have a few quotes from a 'Nobel peace prize holder US Prez'. Agencies like USCRIF have issued adverse reports in the past, and I have no reason to believe they will change. In fact, these statements will only serve as goalposts for them. And it is convenient that a few churches have been vandalized in the last few weeks in Delhi - fodder for their next report.
Well, whaddaya know, here come the cavalry, as on cue:
sooraj wrote:US body lauds Obama’s remarks on religious freedom in India :((
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 868496.ece
“President Obama’s timely comments underscore the importance of India getting religious freedom right,” said Katrina Lantos Swett, Chairwoman of the US Commission for International Religious Freedom (USCIRF).
:((
Again:
arshyam wrote:Tuvaluan-ji said these reports are nothing more than toilet paper. I agree. But our media wouldn't, and the US led global media will definitely not. They will keep harping on such nonsense, and will convince many potential tourists to stay away, in spite of making the visa processes easier. And any incident (false flag or otherwise) will be blown out of proportion, with sanctimonious references to Ombaba's utterances. And that will be the overall narrative, and it will stick in spite of what we do on the ground.
Here's the pincer:

Modi's Dangerous Silence - NYT editorial
Mr. Modi has promised an ambitious agenda for India’s development. But, as President Obama observed in a speech in New Delhi last month: “India will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith.” Mr. Modi needs to break his deafening silence on religious intolerance.
Popcorn time indeed.
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Katrina Lantos Swett is the daughter of the well known India baiting Democrat Congresscreature Tom Lantos (who is reported to be the eternal boyfriend of a certain Bruno Bunpounder in the great club in the sky since 2008) -- this Katrina Lantos is a Mormon and has acquired all her paki loving EJ ways from her ahole father (an american jew).
Lantos' younger daughter, Katrina, is married to ambassador and former U.S. Representative from New Hampshire, Richard Swett, and was herself a candidate for Congress in New Hampshire. Lantos considered himself a secular Jew.[19] His wife and two daughters are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Katrina and Annette (the younger) both married Latter Day Saints (Mormons) and converted for purposes of marriage. It is unclear why Lantos's wife, Annette (the elder), also became a Latter Day Saint.[20] [20]
BO repetition of his offensive BS caught the eye of some in the US media

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/ ... repulsive/

BTW, Before Katrina Lantos, USCIRF was headed by her father Tom Lantos
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Haha. It is strange that in land of plenty USA, a Hindu can go to a prayer meeting of majority Christian Prayer meet and donate.

On the other hand, in India temples of majority are looted and generous donations are made to minority religious causes out of this money collected under label of temple management.

And either of this is called secularism onlee!

No international/national media ever says that we must import non-interference of state in looting funds of religious institution as secular activity only, or that looting temples is outright barbaric.
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On the other hand, in India temples of majority are looted and generous donations are made to minority religious causes out of this money collected under label of temple management.
vishvak, it is the majority that votes the thieves who steal all these funds from the temples time and again, so the dynamics of this is not easy to figure put, as to why the majority can't or won't stop this abuse of power by state governments. OT for this thread, so I will cease an desist.
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Ex DG ISI Gen Durrani says on @AJEnglish that #Pakistan army knew abt OBL, now Mush admits Jihad was state policy. What's going on?
Need to keep a video link of this interview from AJEnglish -- the americans (i.e., US State dept and the rest of the losers in the US govt.) are looking like a bunch of incompetents that handed over all that money to the paki army in fighting "al qaeda" and then they continue to hand over even more money to the paki army, years after they found and killed Al Qaeda No. 1 hiding in a paki army camp. Pakistan is back to US's no.1 partner in Afghanisthan again. Praise the lawd.

Apparently Russia is now more of a threat (by orders of magnitude) according to the worthless losers in the "strategic community" in Washington DC...because they have Al Qaeda all sorted out, right? To get a taste of their idiocy, watch the US Military experts talk total nonsense about their "deep knowledge" of IS and "Al Qaeda" on CNN. Only a matter of time before the US is a laughing stock of the rest of the planet even with all of its humongous military assets and fingers stuck in a dozen wars at any point in time.
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Christine Fair, seems to consider the world as BO backyard. It is weird but true. No wonder US does such atrocious foreign policy decisions, given the basic false premise even the academics start with. Based on the number of replies from her, apparently Amirkhan foreign policy scholars are not very accustomed to non-interference preference comments in social media. Probably BO gives such bombastic guidance to all his hosts.
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Hari Seldon wrote:^So unkil wants to eat cake & have it too. Wants to have cosy relations with both India and Pak.

IOW, will continue to ply Pak with funds, arms, intel and lifelines. Don't see why we shouldn't call this sham for what it is. Why purchase arms from unkil if the same fungible monies goto subsidizing pak's armaments, eh?
India is in very difficult situation, largely because it failed to develop armaments industry and be an exporter of it. Wars are nothing but businesses, where arm merchants stand to gain most. If one doesn't get into being an arm merchant, then one will be forced into dollar auction game where the arm merchants control the auction.

Pakis are very useful, not just for the well known 3.5 to four fathers. But what is not well known and thought out is, Russia will be in bed with pakis, to ensure pakis survive so the dollar auction game continues in the sub-continent. The reason Russia has been mentioned in this paragraph, is because the Indian establishment consistently oscillates between smitten by either one exporter or the other, lacking ideas to actually to become the auctioneer.

The only way out of this is to bankrupt the other bidders in the auction game (be it pakis, china or whoever) and even then victory would come out at a humongous price. Most players including Russia, at a minimum, will ensure pakis do not become bankrupt by extending loans. These days, pakis also have Russia as the new found lover.

The other way out is to not get into the game at all. India is pretty big to sit out in this game. The best path would be to become the auctioneer, which requires lot of change in Indian establishment thinking beyond being best vetters of vendors, and importers of screw driver technology.

If one desires peace, one must deliberately prepare for war. Either become arm merchant or become entangled in costly games.
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Why do we give so much footage to Orgs that have nothing to say about Barbaria but preach to India about Religious freedom.
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These Orgs and fronts are part of the machinery to pressure and shape the policy abroad. The main aim is to stall "anti-conversion" bill to be brought in India. This is a big no no. Hence, pressure and interference to nix any such move.
It is a warning shot across the bow to say anti-conversion is not conducive for business by Obama. He even talked about crusades in his speech, but none of the DDM focuses on the "crusades". It is mainly about free access to harvest souls, as a very conducive environment for all the bon-homie.
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Indians need to give as much, if not more, prominence to what people from other countries are saying on the very same subject. What do Mongolians, Peruvians, Congolese, Filipinos, Vietnamese and Lithuanians feel about the issue of religious diversity and tolerance in India?

Obama's pronouncements( or belches, if you will) should not be taken to heart, or seen as some divine proclamation. Some Indians are taking it that way.
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Sir, we need to think ourselves and also find out what do minorities in India talk about diversity, rich traditions, freedom of worship, various sub cultures in each state, and so on and so forth. And I am not talking about ideologies that have ruled the country and still want to rule while doing exactly what was going on earlier.

I am talking about ones who have and are living own lifestyle - be it Sikh, Jains, Jews, - or for that matter Kashmiri Pandits, Hindus from east pakistan or Hindus from west pakistan who have escaped prosecution from religiously pious, etc.

Actually, on this very thread we are able to maintain a solid silence on secularism in USA - and this is not the Supreme Court of USA! So why bother asking others? We need to have high standards ourselves, and consider record of countries on various issues like spousal abuse, racism, standards of non-violence, respect of minorities, and such and such - while dealing with such countries. We have very low standards of tolerating such countries that keep lecturing us.

Just look at majority in USA, who declare that they "respect Gandhi, too" and continue with whatever they are doing.
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