Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Mar 2014 18:51

fanne wrote:Btw, ground report - From few people (so limited pov) - The BJP magic has taken some hit, there is caste based mobolization along expected lines in UP and Bihar. Initially some castes (or youth from that caste) that have voted Modi are going back to their own traditional caste based party (only a small % is sticking). TIFWIW

on the other hand my relatives in UP Bihar are telling Modi aa raha hai UP Bihar ka vote lootne big time

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Mar 2014 19:02

Arnab is taking a breather these days and relatively quiet. but preparations are on in full swing for his return when the high tide mark is reached in phase1 of polling.

he promises to be at his punishing best.

there.will.be.no.place.to.hide.from.his.wrath

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Mar 2014 19:17

I saw Arnab only in Dec. He seemed pretty kck butt. What is the story on him? Is he fair and balanced? Is he a dynasty boot licker?
He looks like Bob Biswas' brother!

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 31 Mar 2014 19:28

Dhananjay wrote:
Agnimitra wrote:Exclusive Interview: Arun Shourie On Narendra Modi's Economic policy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEq4o3duXak
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Such a sharp mind Shri Arun Shourie has.

He points out:
First congress' target was to win the elections itself - then it became that BJP should be defeated - now it has come down prevent ONE MAN NARENDRA MODI from becoming PM. You see how congress has turned it into a presidential election........."
Somebody please tweet it!

What a great interview.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Mar 2014 19:55

VikramS wrote:http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/lo ... 861028.cms

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-t ... 41311.html

not good...

If the navbharattimes news is correct, it is good news. There were multiple reports of bad candidates in 5-6 specific seats in purvanchal. Good that BJP has noticed it and its taking corrective action.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 31 Mar 2014 20:02

In Bihar too
But where is the time now!!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Mar 2014 20:06

I think we have to purchase Madhu aunty book on NM. Seems to be quite good one with detailed interviews, research etc.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Mar 2014 20:07

fanne wrote:In Bihar too
But where is the time now!!

Fanne sir, as far as i have read in DJ and other reports, in Bihar ticket selection has been mostly on expected lines. We may not like Shahnawaz from Bhagalpur, but he will carry the seat and after lalmuni has withdrawn, ashwini will win buxar easily. Nawada was anyway not an easy seat, but they have put the best possible guy in the seat and ground reports suggest that slowly Giriraj Singh may scrape through. Which seats do you think are bad??

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Mar 2014 20:16

Interview with Modi live on

http://www.news18.com/news/live-news/wa ... 10241.html

gashish · Post by **gashish** » 31 Mar 2014 20:20

#NamoInNanded

Atri wrote: nanded rally is a shock. nanded is to INC what amethi and raebareli is to congis. the crowd was mostly from adjoining munde strongholds, still nanded has considerable sikh population - they're not deciding factor, but they are swinging lotus wards. entire cadre of marathwada is energized.

difficult to say whether this will translate into seat. MIM making strong inroads in that region. only aurangabad and beed are sure seats in marathwada. others are open game, with modi wave in place.

If we go by this rally in Nanded, neighbouring districts look ripe for Modification. Parbhani (held by SS since 99), Hingoli (SS in 2009), Beed (Munde, 2009), Osmanabad (2004, narrowly lost in 2009) offer good chances for mahayuti.

Latur has been Shivraj Patil's bastion for ages and only been won by BJP once since 77. This seat is primarily determined by Maratha + Lingayat votes (marwadi and muslim votes come in play in some assembly segments). Till 2004, there was an arrangement, wherein Shivraj Patil (Lingayat) gets elected for LS, while Vilasrao (Maratha) gets assembly segments. In 2004, there was discord between Patil and Vilasrao, so Maratha votes shifted to BJP, causing Patil's first ever defeat. In 2009, Latur became reserved seat, so both these blocs lost interest. Vilasrao barely managed to win the seat for his puppet who was an "outsider" (Awale) by 7000 votes. So in 2014, BJP had a good chance, but ticket was purportedly given to a weak candidate . Rumour has it that Munde and congress candidate (Bansode) have made some arrangement to weaken late Deshmukh's brothers' hold on Latur...LS for congress and Assembly segments for BJP. But you never know, Modiwave can overturn best laid plans. Moi is going back just to vote for Namo in Latur.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 31 Mar 2014 20:53

gandharva wrote:

I never supported Ram Janmabhoomi movement: Jaswant Singh

JAISALMER: Former Union minister Jaswant Singh, who was expelled from BJP after he refused to withdraw his nomination papers as an Independent candidate, has raked up the issue of Ram Janmabhoomi issue saying while he was in BJP government at the Centre, he never supported and agreed to the movement.

During his tenure as minister in the Union government, Singh had told party patriarch L K Advani that with making of the temple, neither the glory of Ram will increase nor decrease. Singh told this to media persons while speaking at a press conference here on Sunday.

Singh said that at the time of Ram Janmabhoomi agitation, he did not support Advani's Rath Yatra. When the yatra reached Chittorgarh, as MP of Chittorgarh, he did not go there to welcome Advani, Singh claimed. When the Babri Masjid was demolished, then Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee called him over phone from Faizabad and informed that his (Vajpayee's) lifelong hard work has come to an end at one go.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 989923.cms

Sudheendra Kulkarni 2.0

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Mar 2014 21:02

There is only one thing that is being watched now in India at this instinct. Modi's interview rocking.

dhruvM · Post by **dhruvM** » 31 Mar 2014 21:11

More BREAKING NEWS.

Nancy-bhen resigns as Unkil's doot to India. More signs that the wind is blowing, nay howling, NaMo?

The interview should be interesting!

Edit : For those who missed it, re-run live on headlines today now.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Mar 2014 21:24

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/03/ ... e-gujarat/
Goldman: If Only India Were More Like Gujarat

If only India were more like its state of Gujarat: Tens of millions of Indians could get nice, new jobs.That’s one of the lessons from a Goldman Sachs report released Friday.Despite India’s red-hot growth streak for most of the past decade, the country has not been creating enough jobs for its people. Most of the world’s second-largest population in what has become Asia’s second-largest economy is still stuck doing relatively unproductive jobs in agriculture.The rapid urbanization of former farmers flocking to factories–which powered growth spurts and societal change in China, Japan and elsewhere across Asia—is not happening in India.
“India’s well-known demographic dividend is yet to be reaped,” the Goldman report said. “Migration from rural agriculture to urban manufacturing is slow, thus reducing productivity gains.”Goldman, like many economists and executives, says that one of the main reasons India’s economic growth isn’t generating jobs is that companies get punished for hiring people. After growing to a certain number of employees—usually 50 or 100–Indian law makes it difficult to lay them off or even shut down a money-losing factory. The result is that entrepreneurs try to stay small, stay away from labor-intensive industries and use machines rather than hire people.

The upshot is that job growth has been anemic compared to the country’s economic expansion and most of the jobs created are in the informal sector—tiny businesses with fewer than a handful of employees.When India should be creating more factory jobs, it is actually creating fewer. Five million manufacturing jobs disappeared in India between the fiscal year ending March 2005 and the fiscal year ending 2010, the Goldman report says.“The industries which are losing jobs are the most labor-intensive ones—textiles, electronics, and apparel,” says the report. “Firms are substituting capital for labor.”According to Goldman’s estimates, India’s employment growth has slowed to only about two million new jobs a year in the seven years ended March 2012 compared to 12 million a year from March 2002 to 2005. While there has been better growth in jobs in the services sector, the labor-intensive manufacturing slice of the economy has been largely stuck.So what does that have to do with Gujarat?The relatively affluent western state has done away with, or been more flexible in its interpretation of, some of the most stifling labor laws, says Goldman. By giving companies more freedom to hire and fire as they please, Gujarat has been able to create more manufacturing jobs than other states, such as West Bengal, with restrictive labor laws, the report says.If the rest of India brought its restrictions down to the same level as Gujarat, the country could create 40 million new manufacturing jobs in the next 10 years, the report said. If it went even further and did more to revamp the regulations, India could add 110 million jobs during that period.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Mar 2014 21:27

This thread is amazing.
It did not meet it's 72, will it meet it's 786?

NaMo ki jai.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 31 Mar 2014 21:28

Singha wrote:I assume his post BJP career will be as a track2 intellectual and be wined and dined in harvard, london, lahore, washington as a deep thinker and solution provider for south asia.

+100. Already his "dear friend Strobe" sang paeans about him in his book. Berkeley Haas School of conflict management is hiring

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 31 Mar 2014 21:42

KJoishy wrote:This thread is amazing.
It did not meet it's 72, will it meet it's 786?

NaMo ki jai.

This thread will reach 1001 and its conclusion will be coronation of Chatrapati NaMo ji as PradhanMantri- the Rakshak of Bharat.

BRF is now truelly Modified

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 31 Mar 2014 21:45

About anecdotals. An AAP supporter friend of mine - generally good person but not iinvolved in any kind of nationalist undertaking/understanding - he tried this NaMo loosing steam narrative on me. This also keeps getting mentioned on TV. But there is a terrible poverty of confidence in these claims. I challenged my friend and he backed off without much of a fight. In fact with every passing day the AAP/Congress/Misc. supporters are losing their confidence. Looks like they just want to get it over with.

However IMO, there are 3 important points that still remain to be assessed:

1) I have been trawling the tweet and facebk and the urbanite is still talking about 'all are same'. These people will bite. My friend also belongs to this group and all the evidence just does not budge him. I am not trying either. I just like rubbing it in - don't mind doing that to a friend - My kind of tough love.

2) More importantly NaMo is having to work a lot and the BJP vote share in both the strongholds and virgin territory are going to rise. However the proportionate share of effort that goes into virgin territory can only be utilized properly with a smart coalition building strategy. I had a somewhat difficult time when the TDP got mentioned - TV said they were not coming in, but this bloody TV people, today they say TDP is coming into the Pre Poll alliance.

3) Development agenda, is cutting the barriers across age, religion, castes. This is almost like the nationalist battle cry. Only the pure nationalist agenda works with only a minority. People simply do not have enough of understanding on these matters. NaMo has been successful in getting the Development agenda into the nationalist narrative, in much the same way as the earlier generation tied up Hindutva with the nationalist goals by the clever idea of cultural nationalism. Deeply hope this is allowed to marinate. I am already trying to look for what other ingredients can be used to prepare the curry masala. There may or may not be any new idea available but I sure hope one thing - this bloody AAP and AK420 has turned the anti-corruption issue into a farce. India will require at least one generation to pass before anti-corruption can be used again as rallying cry. This 'all are same' bull has to be addressed in a proper dharmic manner. The old strategy of merely relying on the output/accumulated karma does not look good enough on account of much faster communication (even bakwasbazi gets communicated very fast).

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Mar 2014 21:49

At the end I would like some one o use ArmenT's program and compile all the posts in a pdf. That is the true "ModiNamo"!

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 31 Mar 2014 22:11

ravi_g wrote: 1) I have been trawling the tweet and facebk and the urbanite is still talking about 'all are same'. These people will bite. My friend also belongs to this group and all the evidence just does not budge him. I am not trying either. I just like rubbing it in - don't mind doing that to a friend - My kind of tough love.

My strategy as well and I believe it is working. I can see softening and backpedalling by AAP supporter and the 'all are same' alike. The economy, infrastructure, and general development are important and we all support and want that, but that is also the fig leaf that allows the AAP to concede as well. They might still spout other bhaichara across border or other themes but that will change.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 31 Mar 2014 22:17

India's BJP Says Economy Would Be First Priority - WSJ

NEW DELHI—India's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party said Monday that if it wins national elections set to begin next week, its first priority would be to revive investment in the country's slowing economy.

"We'll have to reestablish confidence of both Indian and international investors in the Indian economy," said Arun Jaitley, a senior BJP leader. But, he added, "our policy will also have a social conscience," a signal that welfare programs for the country's poor would also be a priority.

..
In a televised interview Monday, Mr. Modi spoke about removing bureaucratic hurdles, bringing predictability to tax policies and creating jobs by encouraging new industries like agro-based ventures, ship building and defense manufacturing.

"Today, vote-bank-oriented programs that are bankrupting our treasury are being called economic reforms," Mr. Modi said. "Economic reforms are those that breathe new life into a system and create opportunities for people."

..
At the same time, Mr. Jaitley said, his party wouldn't rely on the benefits of growth to trickle down to the poor. "India will always need, at least for the foreseeable future, a state intervention for poverty alleviation," he said, a message aimed at India's millions of poor.

kish · Post by **kish** » 31 Mar 2014 22:49

Bizarre, what is the reason for United Nations to follow Indian elections "closely"?

India is an important partner, will follow its elections closely: UN

United Nations: Terming India as a "very important partner" of the United Nations, a spokesperson for UN chief Ban Ki-moon has said that the Secretary General and the world body will closely follow the country's crucial general elections scheduled to begin on 7 April.

"We obviously follow all national elections closely and India is a very important partner of the UN," and the UN and the Secretary General would "closely" follow the general elections as well, Ban's spokesperson Stephane Dujarric told PTI when asked about the upcoming elections in the world's largest democracy

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Mar 2014 22:53

India is the *ONLY* very large, very diverse and the oldest to give universal suffrage democracy on Earth.

How it conducts elections is an example to everybody., including US.

The participation rate in Indian democracy is far far higher than in US., that itself indicates that Indian democracy is way way ahead than US. In fact, US democracy is not democracy at all but a kind of duo-poly benign dictatorship.

negi · Post by **negi** » 31 Mar 2014 23:31

UN for all purposes means US . US wants to keep a close tab on GE 2014 because they are wary of Modi, a developing and resurgent India under a leader with spine would mean more trouble for Unkil, right now with MMS at helm it is all in control however that will not be the case if India gets a stable government with a leader who has self-respect and has vision for forwarding India's interests specially in area of agriculture (again orthogonal to Unkil's GMO peddling which MMS wishes to shove down our throats), Self reliance in defence (again orthogonal to Amrika's arms lobby), handling TSP with iron hand (again trouble for Unkil ).

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 31 Mar 2014 23:44

negi wrote:UN for all purposes means US . US wants to keep a close tab on GE 2014 because they are wary of Modi, a developing and resurgent India under a leader with spine would mean more trouble for Unkil, right now with MMS at helm it is all in control however that will not be the case if India gets a stable government with a leader who has self-respect and has vision for forwarding India's interests specially in area of agriculture (again orthogonal to Unkil's GMO peddling which MMS wishes to shove down our throats), Self reliance in defence (again orthogonal to Amrika's arms lobby), handling TSP with iron hand (again trouble for Unkil ).

ekkazztlee, tink abt a lca with kaaaaaveri ginn as jus starting trouble onlee for Amrika - yindia bhai bhai

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Mar 2014 23:51

7TH LIST OF BJP CANDIDATES OF TAMIL NADU AND UTTAR PRADESH FOR LOK SABHA ELECTION 2014

Ajay Aggarwal is BJP candidate from Rae Barelli pitted against Sonia Gandhi.
Smriti Irani is BJP candidate from Amethi pitted against Rahul Gandhi.

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Mar 2014 23:56

negi wrote:UN for all purposes means US . US wants to keep a close tab on GE 2014 because they are wary of Modi, a developing and resurgent India under a leader with spine would mean more trouble for Unkil, right now with MMS at helm it is all in control however that will not be the case if India gets a stable government with a leader who has self-respect and has vision for forwarding India's interests specially in area of agriculture (again orthogonal to Unkil's GMO peddling which MMS wishes to shove down our throats), Self reliance in defence (again orthogonal to Amrika's arms lobby), handling TSP with iron hand (again trouble for Unkil ).

+1. Also with out-of-control India, their great'u-game'u part'u two will be out of whack'u onleee. Who will need'u amerik'u then'u?

Gas/Energy/Minerals will come from CAR. Agriculture/Services (pharma/chemicals/products) will go naarth. Everything is rounded off with Africa on the west and Indo-china on the east.

Again who needs America then?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 01 Apr 2014 00:20

Congressional Report Strengthens Case for Future U.S. Visa for Modi
by ZAHIR JANMOHAMED, india.blogs.nytimes.com
March 31st 2014

AHMEDABAD, India — On Dec. 5, 2012, Representative Frank R. Wolf, Republican of Virginia, stood on the steps of the Capitol in Washington with 25 other members of Congress and urged the United States government “never to grant a visa to allow Chief Minister Modi to visit the United States under any circumstances.”

He was referring to Narendra Modi, the current chief minister of India’s western state of Gujarat, and the prime ministerial candidate representing the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party in India’s national elections. In 2005, the United States government denied Mr. Modi a visa based on allegations, made by Mr. Wolf and others, that Mr. Modi was complicit in the Gujarat riots of 2002, in which more than 1,000 people died, most of them Muslims.

But a recent report by the Congressional Research Service makes it clear that the word “never” may not have been the correct word to use, at least when it comes to Mr. Modi’s case.

According to the March 18 report, the United States reserves the right to change its position on visa matters. “A finding of inadmissibility for a foreign government official who committed particularly severe violations of religious freedom is not absolute,” Ruth Ellen Wasem, a Congressional Research Service researcher, wrote in her seven-page report, which was made public by members of Congress.

The report on Mr. Modi was requested by Representative Joe Pitts, Republican of Pennsylvania, and Representative Keith Ellison, Democrat of Minnesota, whose office I worked in from 2009 to 2011. (I also worked on the campaign to deny Mr. Modi a visa in 2005.)

Both Mr. Pitts and Mr. Ellison have a track record of criticizing Mr. Modi. On Nov. 18, 2013, Mr. Pitts introduced House Resolution 417, which called for the United States to continue to deny Mr. Modi a visa and argued that “the Gujarat government has not adequately pursued justice for the victims of the 2002 violence.” Today, the resolution has 44 co-sponsors, including Mr. Ellison.

Ms. Wasem’s report, however, paints a different picture of Gujarat. “During Chief Minister Modi’s tenure in office, the state of Gujarat has had impressive economic development successes,” Ms. Wasem wrote in the report’s second line. She also pointed out that in 2010, an investigation authorized by the Supreme Court of India found no incriminating evidence that Mr. Modi had encouraged the riots.

If Mr. Modi becomes the next prime minister, as many analysts expect, he “would automatically be eligible for an A-1 (diplomatic) visa as head of state, regardless of the purpose of his visit,” Ms. Wasem wrote.

In fact, as prime minister, Mr. Modi will receive diplomatic immunity, the report said, something that would almost guarantee Mr. Modi a United States visa.

But given that none of the information in the report is new, why then would Mr. Pitts and Mr. Ellison want this information? One House aide I spoke with on Sunday, who requested anonymity because the aide was not authorized to speak to the media, said the report was “the last ditch effort to see what can be done to block Modi’s visa.”

In 2005, an unlikely coalition of evangelicals, Indian-born activists, Muslims and Jews came together to lobby against Mr. Modi’s planned visit to the United States. I was present in many of the closed-door meetings in the Congress and at the State Department when Mr. Modi’s visa was being discussed.

Some in the coalition, particularly human rights lawyers, insisted that the United States not deny Mr. Modi a visa because it would upset relations with India. They argued that the best strategy to keep Mr. Modi out of the United States would be to sue the American government on the grounds that giving him a visa would be violating its own laws, specifically the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, which stipulates that no person may enter the United States who has been found guilty of gross religious freedom violations.

Much to our surprise, the United States did block Mr. Modi’s visa and no legal action was needed in 2005. Today, many of those same critics of Mr. Modi wonder if they should begin exploring legal options once again, as it may be the only remaining chance to keep Mr. Modi out.

This perhaps explains why the congressmen asked the Congressional Research Service about existing legal options to challenge a decision to grant a United States visa to a foreign national, but Ms. Wasem, an immigration specialist, said she was unable to answer the question. This will be addressed in a separate memorandum by Margaret Mikyung Lee of the agency’s American law division, but the release date for that report is not yet known.

Ms. Wasem did, however, raise one possible way the United States could deny Mr. Modi a visa. On Aug. 4, 2011, President Obama issued an executive order amending the Immigration and Nationality Act to grant the president the authority to deny entry to any person who has committed “war crimes, crimes against humanity or other serious violations of human rights, or who attempted or conspired to do so.”

Mr. Obama inserted this language as part of his efforts to make the United States more responsive to genocide around the world. It is highly unlikely, though, that Mr. Obama will use this clause to deny Mr. Modi a visa, given the importance of the United States’ relationship with India, as well as Mr. Modi’s exoneration in Indian courts over his alleged role in the 2002 Gujarat riots.

The congressional debate on India should heat up this week when the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission is likely to hold a hearing about human rights in India. One of the possible witnesses is Christophe Jaffrelot, a professor at the renowned French educational institute Sciences Po, who has written extensively about Hindu nationalism and has a biography of Mr. Modi coming out in the summer.

The hearing could be a chance to build more momentum against Mr. Modi, but the commission’s hearings generally draw few members of Congress. At the moment, there is little talk of Mr. Modi or India in Washington, given the crisis in Crimea, one House aide told me. Meanwhile, on her recent visit to India’s capital, Nisha Desai Biswal, a senior State Department official, said that the United States would welcome any democratically elected Indian leader.

As Mr. Modi’s detractors on Capitol Hill debate whether the United States can block Mr. Modi’s visa, one thing is clearer as a result of Ms. Wasem’s report: The prospect of keeping Mr. Modi out of the United States is looking dimmer and dimmer.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 01 Apr 2014 02:56

An interesting observation that I received by email. Explains the "flanking" technique used by AAP to target BJP

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 01 Apr 2014 04:31

It was Lok Satta rather than AAP which should be credited with the first constitutional attempts at citizen politics. Now this:

Probity campaigner Lok Satta Party to join hands with BJP

HYDERABAD: Lok Satta Party founder president Jayaprakash Narayan today said the outfit would "join hands" with BJP because its PM nominee Narendra Modi is emphasising upon good governance and economic development.

Lok Satta would also draw attention of RBI and Election Commission of India to "irresponsible promises" being made by political parties.

"Lok Satta has decided to join hands with BJP because its Prime Ministerial candidate has laid emphasis on economic developmen ..

I noticed some in the commie type crowd were trying to get close to and infiltrate Lok Satta. This might be a burnol moment for them. Anyway they found their true calling in AAP...

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 01 Apr 2014 04:53

X-posting an update on the calling efforts from the US to campaign for Modi

**************

Update on call-a-thon progress:

a) 1200 GIBV volunteers in the US
b) 600 in Houston
c) 11000 calls to India
d) 30000 people reached
e) The goal is to reach 5 Million people before end of elections!
f) At least 14 people from Houston are leaving for India (some have left already) to campaign

We had a volunteer get-together this Saturday. Packed house - 200 odd people. Modi T-shirts were selling like hot-cakes. One gentleman wrote a $1000 check for a T-shirt

On Sunday's Holi event, 950 cups of chai were served!

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 01 Apr 2014 05:00

Agnimitra wrote:It was Lok Satta rather than AAP which should be credited with the first constitutional attempts at citizen politics. Now this:

AAP never had any governance model. On any topic with substance, they drew a blank: administration, infrastructure, economy, police/judicial reform, defense etc etc. It was a one-trick pony. Even their so-called "transparency in funding" hides more than it reveals.

Lok Satta, on the other hand (JP in particular) seems to have good ideas and are thinking structurally. Because they are not in Delhi & dont have Congress blessings, very few people know about them

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 01 Apr 2014 05:37

These are last days of raj. We need to be vigilant. The British also left behind a huge mess. The Congi Raj also may do some thing like this before they leave

Mughal period 1526-1857
British period 1857-1947
Nehru dynasty period 1947-2014

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Apr 2014 05:47

Mughal period: 1526-1707

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 01 Apr 2014 06:53

All these were dynastry period including the British dynasty rule of Elizabeth and gang. Interseting to see that dynasty rules pitter out in 200-300 years ( 4-5 genererations ) and that the length of the dynasty rules are progressively coming down.

Mughal Dynasty : 300 y
Briish Dynasty : 200 y
Nehru dynasty : 50 y ( 1947 - 1990 and 2010 - 2014 ) . In between there was NDA and PVNR and Communist rule

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 01 Apr 2014 07:11

If stock brokers and central agencies tracking the flow of black money are to be believed, crores of rupees have already returned to India, via the stock market, gold smuggling and hawala transactions.
"The black money that has returned in the last one-two years is for two purposes. First, for election activities and second is the fear that if BJPs Narendra Modi comes to power, he might come out with a stringent law to bring the money back. So instead of waiting that to happen, stashed money has started flowing in," said Suniil Pachisia, vice-president, Pratibhuti Viniyog Ltd.

One estimate says Rs.1,500 to Rs.5,000 crore may have returned to India in the last few months.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/blac ... 52192.html

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 01 Apr 2014 07:32

Anantha wrote:These are last days of raj. We need to be vigilant. The British also left behind a huge mess. The Congi Raj also may do some thing like this before they leave

Mughal period 1526-1857
British period 1857-1947
Nehru dynasty period 1947-2014

devesh wrote:Mughal period: 1526-1707

subhamoy.das wrote:All these were dynastry period including the British dynasty rule of Elizabeth and gang. Interseting to see that dynasty rules pitter out in 200-300 years ( 4-5 genererations ) and that the length of the dynasty rules are progressively coming down.

Mughal Dynasty : 300 y
Briish Dynasty : 200 y
Nehru dynasty : 50 y ( 1947 - 1990 and 2010 - 2014 ) . In between there was NDA and PVNR and Communist rule

I was working on something similar for my own reference. Note that the following are not about the dynasties/kingdoms but about empires. And its a round-off and approx.

Empire: Start-End ->Period
American: 1900-2000 ->100 yrs
British: 1650-1950 ->300 yrs
Mughals(Central Asians): 1550(Akbar)-1720 -> 170 yrs
Maraata: 1700-1800 >100 yrs
Spanish: 1500(Columbus)-1650 ->150 yrs
Dilli Sultanate: 1300-1345 ->50 yrs
Vijayanagara: 1350-1565 ->200 yrs
Bahmani: 1450-1480 ->30 yrs
Kakathiya: 1250-1300 ->50 yrs
Chola: 1000-1170 ->170 yrs
Paala: 800-850 ->50 yrs
Raashtrakuta: 750-950 ->200 yrs
Tsars of Muscovy(Russia): 1550(Ivan, the terrible)-1700 ->150 yrs
Tsars of Russia: 1700(Peter, the great)-1860 ->150 yrs
Ottoman: 1350-1850 ->500 yrs

Its still a work in progress, others can add to it...

Even though Amercian and British have been listen separately, one could club them together as Anglo-Saxon. Then, it would be
Anglo-Saxon: 1650-2000 ->350 yrs.
Similarly, Tsars of Muscovry and Tsars of Russia can be clubbed together. Then, it would be
Tsars: 1550-1860 -> 300yrs.

These empires spread their own culture(including religion) in the place of their reign. Some times, some empires even resort to genocide.
X-posting fromhere.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 01 Apr 2014 07:34

archan wrote:
KJoishy wrote:I find this amazing because NaMo isn't even from a "national" family like Nehru-Gandhi whom everyone knows. NaMo is a regional leader from Gujarat and has now become a national figure on his own.
Yup, we don't need no "national" families/royalty etc. We ain't now North Korea.

Tell that to Shahzada and his Matashri and their courtiers.

vic · Post by **vic** » 01 Apr 2014 07:44

Roman Empire was 2000 years

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 01 Apr 2014 07:58

anmol wrote:
Congressional Report Strengthens Case for Future U.S. Visa for Modi
by ZAHIR JANMOHAMED, india.blogs.nytimes.com
March 31st 2014

As Mr. Modi’s detractors on Capitol Hill debate whether the United States can block Mr. Modi’s visa, one thing is clearer as a result of Ms. Wasem’s report: The prospect of keeping Mr. Modi out of the United States is looking dimmer and dimmer.

What the freak fairy-tale world is this moron living in? The prospects for "keeping Mr. Modi out of the United States" have never been brighter. That's because Modi has no intention of going to the United States.