Indo-UK: News & Discussion

[krisna]

Reading thru the Lancet article-- it is surprising that the article could go thru various stages before being accepted for publication. It is not easy to get it published the way it is written. definitely daal mein kuch kaala hai. But the damage is done. we will have to fight defensively now.

^^^ good find on the big-pharma connection
the story seems to have died out now

This is not enough. It is lull before storm
Now it is more or less now known to medical community. It will be written incorporated and guidelines issued in the coming weeks to months. it will become permanent.
The main issue is wrt naming on an Indian city which is atrocious and likely deliberate.(can guess any number of reasons-easiest is already mentioned here)

1) Active efforts should be undertaken by GOI and Indian medical boards to get the name erased and substitute with proper scientific name according to nomenclature
generally naming after common names is not allowed or frowned, they prefer scientific names. It is likely it will enter into medical jargon.

2) ESKAPE bacteria of western origin. This is due to indiscriminate use of antibiotics. India is not responsible for this. How come no cities or countries named.
MRSA originated in UK- why was it not called UK strain or london strain etc. Smacks of double standards
hope all Indians irrespective of who it is not self flaggellate ourselves saying it is India responsible for resistance.
3) bugs resisitant to antibiotic.
according to this medical article,

Results.Overall, 463 hospitals reported 1 or more HAIs: 412 (89%) were general acute care hospitals, and 309 (67%) had 200–1,000 beds. There were 28,502 HAIs reported among 25,384 patients. The 10 most common pathogens (accounting for 84% of any HAIs) were coagulase‐negative staphylococci (15%), Staphylococcus aureus (15%), Enterococcus species (12%), Candida species (11%), Escherichia coli (10%), Pseudomonas aeruginosa (8%), Klebsiella pneumoniae (6%), Enterobacter species (5%), Acinetobacter baumannii (3%), and Klebsiella oxytoca (2%). The pooled mean proportion of pathogenic isolates resistant to antimicrobial agents varied significantly across types of HAI for some pathogen‐antimicrobial combinations. As many as 16% of all HAIs were associated with the following multidrug‐resistant pathogens: methicillin‐resistant S. aureus (8% of HAIs), vancomycin‐resistant Enterococcus faecium (4%), carbapenem‐resistant P. aeruginosa (2%), extended‐spectrum cephalosporin‐resistant K. pneumoniae (1%), extended‐spectrum cephalosporin‐resistant E. coli (0.5%), and carbapenem‐resistant A. baumannii, K. pneumoniae, K. oxytoca, and E. coli (0.5%). Nationwide, the majority of units reported no HAIs due to these antimicrobial‐resistant pathogens.

You already have the bugs resistant in USA and Europe in 2007 and earlier. How come they are naming a new gene with similar resistance to antibiotics and name it after Indian city. why not name it after some goddamn contry or city in western world.

4) Was the superbug imported into India?

Out of the 37 samples collected in UK, only 17 samples had history of travel to India or Pakistan. So, a question arises as to where did the rest 20 people contract this superbug?

Suggestions that India is the fountainhead of this drug resistant bug are probably erroneous.

You read the above article (3)

Moving on to the other part: If medical tourism is to blame for the spread of this super bug, how come Rohtak, Guwahati, and of all places Port Blair, are home to the bug and find mention in the research? They are not certainly hot destinations for medical treatment.

"India is definitely not the source of origin of this so called superbug, it is omnipresent across the globe," Katoch said

Indian medical experts say the researchers may have flagged an important emergent problem, but to blame it on India's health system was stretching it too far. Health ministry is now planning to write a strong formal rejoinder to the journal refuting these findings

This is like -- put the blame on India and ask India to disprove it. Shameless B**st*rds.

[Haresh]

Onward to Dhimmitude

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/08/13/onwa ... himmitude/

[Hari Seldon]

This is like -- put the blame on India and ask India to disprove it. Shameless B**st*rds.

Aah, standard stock in trade for the briturds, actually.

Now if it were the CCP instead of GOI handling matters, they'd have quietly forced the two pharma majors responsible for the 'study' and its 'publication' in a 'reputed' journal out of Indian business for 10 yrs at least.

That would also send a message to every other corpo, retard, britaurd, evil genius etc to think twice before stepping on us.

But no, like the 'wise pragmatics' who proceeded to lecture on why we needed to be accommodating of the UK coz of business potential and all, they forget that elementary game theory asserts that public deviation from fairplay in infinite horizon games should be punished with (public and possibly disproportionate) retaliation, *not* forgiveness / reasonableness / pragmatism or those sweet-li'l-things, to deter future chootzpah.

Else, we will only have ourselves to blame when every 2-bit pipsqueak in oirostan (and even south asia) thinks it can slap us around and get away with it thx to our reasonable, forgiving nature only. Only.

Jai ho.

[Haresh]

The al guardian, wailing against evil India again!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... pakistanis

[Manishw]

The al guardian, wailing against evil India again!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... pakistanis

They should attempt to settle the porxis in western countries and open their doors for them since India is Evil and porxis are TFTA onlee.After all this is' white man's burden' onlee after the floods.

[joshvajohn]

Young indians taking over UK Boardrooms
S Kalyana Ramanathan / London August 15, 2010, 0:07 IST
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... ms/404581/

[Singha]

today I was reading an account of the british expedition to kabul to put shah shuja in power and the aftermath (out of 16,000 people , only 1 made it wounded back to jalalabad).

it seems the british "army of the indus" on their march to kabul took a lot of camp followers with them including mistresses and a "moveable tented brothel". they also took grouse shooting guns, polo and cricket gear. the british political adviser Burnes set himself up in a palace in kabul outside the military camp and consorted with some married afghani women (whose husbands were bazaar traders). this Burnes was set upon by a mob and killed by the husbands later.

[Lalmohan]

^^^ apparently one of the (white) scottish NCO's wives from that campaign married a pathan and settled down in afghanistan
of the 16,000 plus, the majority were Indian soldiers and their families

[Varoon Shekhar]

^^^

Let's not forget in that 'expedition' , the British totally abandoned the Indians, leaving them to be massacred by the vengeful Afghans. During WW2, the British tried to save their own skins, and abandoned the Indians in Malaysia. Indians, as always so forgiving, forgetful, non-chalant and passive, never bring up these issues.

[Varoon Shekhar]

It never ceases to amaze me, how countries can judge India's attitudes and approach, without having gone through what India has experienced. If the UK had suffered the same degree of terrorism, that too from a next door neighbour, and still were very free and easy with visas from that putative country, then perhaps commentators like the Guardian would have a point that could be debated. Otherwise, what can we compare India's situation with?

[Lalmohan]

and a large number of those IA men in malaya joined the INA, though many perished in japanese pow and labour camps

[Lalmohan]

It never ceases to amaze me, how countries can judge India's attitudes and approach, without having gone through what India has experienced. If the UK had suffered the same degree of terrorism, that too from a next door neighbour, and still were very free and easy with visas from that putative country, then perhaps commentators like the Guardian would have a point that could be debated. Otherwise, what can we compare India's situation with?

the guardian has lost the plot, they need more reader's responses to counter the resident jehadis

[Haresh]

The al guardian is an islamist and jehadi apologist & enabler.

They once employed a trainee journo who turned out to be a member & activist for hizb ut tarir.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media ... 99135.html

This is some more rubbish from them http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... women-west

Some time ago there was a story about the islamic genocide of black africans in sudan.
The sort of comments that were appearing were to the effect, "sudan should not be discussed because it distracts attention from Israel"
They are middle class labour/socialist/liberal "luvvies" who live in their ivory castles where they safely campaign for the rights of women, gays, ethnic minorities EXCEPT when those groups are being persecuted by islamists, then they change sides or remain silent.

Unfortunatly this will not change until the islamists in the UK go after the gays, women etc and actually start killing them.

They use the word "asian" instead of moslem. They take the view that there is or should be some great "brown skinned"
solidarity between paki's, Indian's, Sikh's, Hindu's Versus the evil capitalist west and Israel.
The good news is that their readership is falling as is their advertising revenue.

guardian readers live in a total dream world, I don't like saying it but they are feeding a crocodile that will eat them and I will enjoy watching them being butchered.

What we Indians in the UK need to do is join in the discussions and conribute to the debate, be it Kashmir, Israel or islamic fanaticism, my posts are just banned, we need more Indians on there. We should stand with the Israeli's on all matters.

[Lalmohan]

some jewish friends had publicly expressed (facebook etc.) comments on mumbai, etc.; also lubavitz centre marked the anniversary with large banners etc. in several parts of london

urge all of those interested to comment on the guardian - some real jehadists show up on the readers comments, particularly about kashmir

[ArmenT]

^^^

Let's not forget in that 'expedition' , the British totally abandoned the Indians, leaving them to be massacred by the vengeful Afghans.

Horse puckey. General Elphinstone was one of the most incompetent ever, but he wasn't close to Paki Jernail standards.

[Karna_A]

The al guardian, wailing against evil India again!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... pakistanis

If British are so worried about Pakistanis, why don't they give them all UK Citizenship just like they did to Mirpuris which are abusing British soldiers lying in hospital beds.

The British Visa policy for Nazis has been very discriminatory. They should have given visa to Rudolf Hess who came there for peace.
Nazis never did any terrorism in UK, in fact in Mein Kempf Hitler had praised British.
So overall British should have given Nazis at least same visa treatment that now Gurdian is expecting Indians to do in regards to Pakistanis.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... pital.html

A paratrooper wounded in Afghanistan was threatened by a Muslim visitor to the British hospital where he is recovering.

Seriously wounded soldiers have complained that they are worried about their safety after being left on wards that are open to the public at Selly Oak Hospital, Birmingham.

On one occasion a member of the Parachute Regiment, still dressed in his combat uniform after being evacuated from Afghanistan, was accosted by a Muslim over the British involvement in the country.

"You have been killing my Muslim brothers in Afghanistan," the man said during a tirade.

[Gerard]

"You have been killing my Muslim brothers in Afghanistan," the man said during a tirade.

He cares more for his Muslim brothers in Afghanistan than his own countrymen. When his loyalty is to the Ummah, should he even be a citizen of the UK?

[vera_k]

^^^

The UK allows dual citizenship, so he can be a citizen of both Afghanistan and UK.

[Haresh]

"You have been killing my Muslim brothers in Afghanistan," the man said during a tirade.

He cares more for his Muslim brothers in Afghanistan than his own countrymen. When his loyalty is to the Ummah, should he even be a citizen of the UK?

This is the problem Gerard.
The west is weak and politically correct. It will take a Mumbhai style atrocity or two, maybe three before they can do what needs to be done.
They need to take the dammed gloves off, no more Marquis of Queensbury rules.
They need to strip citizenship from all those convicted of terrorist offences, their families as well. They need to declare certain groups to be "Enemy organisations", deport en mass those who campaign for khallipha, who raise money for any cause which hurts their allies, be they NATO/EC, Israel, India or any non moslem friendly nation.
Just imagine if a Mumbhai attack happened in a shopping center or on Oxford Street.
Or a Beslan style attack on a British Junior school.
They are fools, we give sanctuary to chechan, algerian, morroccan, saudi, paki fanatics, then stand there like idiots and wonder why Russia & India & Israel are pissed off.
It will take alot of bloodshed to change this snivelling attitude.

[Venkarl]

Fadeout for a Culture That’s Neither Indian Nor British

[Lisa]

"You have been killing my Muslim brothers in Afghanistan," the man said during a tirade.

He cares more for his Muslim brothers in Afghanistan than his own countrymen. When his loyalty is to the Ummah, should he even be a citizen of the UK?

There is now legislation that allows for an individual to lose his nationality.
As a matter of fact there is actually a Pakistani who was previously at
Gitmo who has elected not to travel as he holds dual nationality. He is
concerned that once out of the UK he will be stripped of his UK nationality
and forced to remain/return to Pakistan.

So much for their love of all things Muslim. One step further, under
legislation, that is currently in dispute in that a court of law has said that it
violates aspects of the Human Rights act, there were individuals who had
been detained indefinitely without trial, who were happier in a UK prison
rather than returning to their country of origin! Thing about it, in cell for 23
hours a day= happy but amongst the Ummrah=not happy!

P.S. All those complaining are Pakistanis, not Afghans. An average
Afghan views Pakistan as the root and home of their countries misery. I
have not met one who views a Pakistani as a 'brother'

[Haresh]

Lisa,

That legislation is only enforcable "IF" they have aquired that UK nationality within 6 years.
It does not apply to those born here or longstanding naturalised UK citizens with family here. That would violate the "Right" to enjoy family life clause in the Human/terrorist rights act.

[Lisa]

Lisa,

That legislation is only enforcable "IF" they have aquired that UK nationality within 6 years.
It does not apply to those born here or longstanding naturalised UK citizens with family here. That would violate the "Right" to enjoy family life clause in the Human/terrorist rights act.

Haresh
I was unaware of the clause. Thank you for the info.

[g.sarkar]

India's visa rule is unfairly persecuting innocent Pakistanis
Just commented the following, hopefully banning will follow:
"Sirji,
I thought the Bharatiya Ganarajya was a sovereign nation. Which means we allow who so ever we wish into our country. What has fairness to do any thing? Did not the United Queendom do virginity tests on Indian women before they let them in? Or is it do as we say, not do as we do?"
Gautam

[Lalmohan]

90% of comments on that article are pro-india, but there are 3-4 hard core jehadists who are clogging up bandwidth

[Haresh]

The general consensus of opinion in the comments sections seems to be
1/ the paks can take a jump
2/Pak in the UK are loyal to pak
3/ where are their "brothers in islam" in saudia, gulf etc
4/it was paki's who carried out 7/7
5/the pak ISI is hand in glove with taliban & AQ killing UK troops.
6/90% of terror threats to the UK are from pak

basically the paki's are their own worst enemies
$hit always stinks

[Haresh]

Sorry forgot the link from Daily Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... losed.html

[Hari Seldon]

The Economist rag is painting how radical UQ's gubmint has become under cameron-libdem coalition. Admittedly, they do have a point there.

The rag brazenly trumpets a second thaterite revulsion, err revolution and heralds the UQ's "leading position" in intellectual and gubmint circles in the west. {Why for are they so desperate to be seen as leading in something, anything in the west, bray?}

Well, good luck to 'em Limeys, I guess.

Radical Britain

Ensoi

[Varoon Shekhar]

"Let's not forget in that 'expedition' , the British totally abandoned the Indians, leaving them to be massacred by the vengeful Afghans.

Horse puckey. General Elphinstone was one of the most incompetent ever, but he wasn't close to Paki Jernail standards."

Hi Armen,

Elphinstone was not responsible for the massacre, but the fact is, the British abandoned the Indians to their 'fate'. They did the same thing in Malaysia a century later; abandoning or doing nothing for the Indians under their jurisdiction.

[rsingh]

Last sunday on my way back from UK I had fun. I was on check post on dover port,with my wife and kids. Angreji Pandu asked for documents and I gave him cards and then this guy started mumbling something in very strange English. I asked him what he was saying. He repeated same blah blah as if I met him in pub on saturday. I told him in Inglish that I understand only Queen's Elglish. Pandu had red face and kids were laughing.......

Moral: You want to have some fun in England........say pardon? Could you repeat it please.........in queen or good or educated English.

[ArmenT]

Hi Armen,

Elphinstone was not responsible for the massacre, but the fact is, the British abandoned the Indians to their 'fate'.

Any reliable link to proof please.

[Philip]

One good thing about Independence Day is the annual screening of the film Gandhi on the networks.It reminds Indians of the suffering of the nation before Independence and those who made it possible.Attenborough's masterpiece explicitly reveals the attitude of the British Viceroys and the colonial leadership of the time and their fear more of a violent overthrow of British rule by 300 million Indians on signal from the Congress, rather than Gandhi"s moral non-violent philosophy."I thought they had something there..." ,is the relieved statement of the Viceroy afterwards,reflecting upon Gandhi saying that the British would ultimately "walk out of India".That this film as made by a Brit ,exposing all its ills in stark reality,is also a tribute to the freedom of expression in Britain,staunchly protected.

The dramatic change in British society after decades of immigration from the subcontinent,stereotyped as good (Indian) bad (Paki),and the radicalisation of Britsh Muslims of Paki descent,thanks to the freedom of expression in mosques where extremist preachers spread their message of hate against the "infidels",has taken it to a new crossroad,where it wishes to renew an old relationship with India-on equal terms now for the betterment of both nations.In stark contrast is that of its relationship with Pak,where a public "caning" of the Pakis by a British PM caused so much furore and uproar.The lethargy of the world to come to the aid of poor flood stricken Pak,seen even in Britain despite the urging of its politicos,indicates that perhaps what the world secretly wishes is the total collapse of the current "core" of Paki values and that it must learn a terrible lesson and be "cleansed" of the evil that inhabits it before it can return to the ranks of the civilised world.

[Lalmohan]

my read of the first anglo-afghan war was that the whole column left kabul together and were then repeatedly ambushed enroute. over time stragglers increased in number (particularly camp followers) and these were picked off mercilessly by the afghans. it is likely that cohesion in the column broke down and white officers and troops adopted a "every man for himself" attitude and left the sepoys to their fate. either way, all but one white officer perished, and he was a badly wounded doctor

you can google for the picture "last stand at gandamak" or similar which shows very fancifully a group of white soldiers preparing to meet their 72, in the same style as 24th Foot at Isandhlwana... these images were corner stones of victorian military propaganda and used to whip up jingoistic hysteria at home and calls for revenge

during the 2nd anglo afghan war, troops passing through gandamak found the bones of their former comerades on the same spot and took brutal revenge against the local villagers - as usual glossed over in the archives, although it is likely that their former comerades met a very grisly end

i think it was during the 2nd that the frontier force fought an epic defense of the residency in kabul against large numbers of tribesmen

[Singha]

what I read is what Lalmohan said. the political adviser Burnes was killed by bazaaris in kabul itself. the Elphinstone who had bad legs and was carried around on a litter by humans, got shot in his buttock by afghan snipers in the hills near the camps (those long barrel jezails carried a heavy slug to a long distance). so he was carried on a stretcher lying face down and his men called him "hole in the ass elphinstone".

akbar khan (son of dost mohammad) promised an armed escort and safe passage if the brits left their cannons behind and took only 3 cannons.

in dead of winter the column faced grave diffculty because their storehouse had been looted of woolens earlier and they were in summer kit.

stragglers - both british and indian fell behind and were picked off. the main body tried to fight through 2 ravines and were mercilessly ambused from above.

every afghan village along the way joined in the looting and massacre.

finally one village gave the last few survivors some food in sight of jalalabad fort, but one guy snuck off to fetch his tribal buddies. from this lot, one the surgeon general made it alive and badly wounded to jalalabad fort.

so I would not say anyone was 'abandoned' - the entire convoy was doomed and nobody was really in control of things.

[Singha]

in the Zulu war , first 1500 brits were caught in open with 100 rounds of ammo each and eventually all killed and their stomachs ripped open by assegais in a zulu ritual called 'washing of the spears' to let the souls escape. their trunks of
ammo were sited a mile away and drummer boys who ran back to fetch more rounds were sent back by quartermasters (idiots) to get the official signed slips.

few miles off the remainder mounted the epic defence lionized on film in a supply outpost cum hospital. the zulu chief miscalulated and tried frontal charges instead of creeping in at night. he set the houses ablaze which helped the brits to shoot at night. it is said the native kaffir natal infantry slunk away and threw away their dress at first sign of approaching zulu regiment (impis)

[Lalmohan]

singha - partly right. later research shows that there was no shortage of ammunition at isandhlwana, the problem was that the firing line was too thin and too far from the stores. the zulus were able to breach the line through momentum and lack of fire concentration, despite heavy casualties. without firepower concentration, 10 6' 200lb zulu dudes are going to kick some major musharraf of 3 5'3" thin white boys anyday

the camp was in the command of an engineer colonel who had limited experience of campaigning - he underestimated the fire requirements and also failed to strike camp and set up a defensive ring with the wagons around the stores. without these, the zulus would always break through white defences as the boers had learnt to their cost

at rorkes drift, zulu attacks were made from several angles at all periods from dusk onwards. the hospital building was the least well defended so was taken first, it was set on fire due to the stubborn resistance inside it from a few men who were trying to save their sick friends, but most of them were eventually dragged out and the spears were washed

the native horsemen, who had fought well and hard all morning were ordered off the field by their colonel durnsford, who urged them to return home, he himself dying a custer like death on a hillside surrounded by remaining white troops, since he decided that it was his time. ironically he was probably the most in tune with his african troops and understood the foolishness of that war. afterwards, chelmsford's men tried to frame durnsford with the failure, including stealing the signed orders that would exhonerate him, from his corpse (found on teh field six months later), the inquiry basically tried to blame durnsford as the senior officer on the field, despite that command was with the engineering colonel and durnsford had spent most of the battle with his horsemen out on the ridge and on the right flank, eventually coming back into the camp when the outcome was certain.

the natal infantry were anyway badly treated by the whites, so decided to get out whilst they could. many of them were slaughtered on the fugitives trail. no one without a horse made it back across the buffalo river to safety from the pursuing zulu right flank who overran the fleeing remnants of the camp - needless to say that only white officers had horses, or those who managed to find one - there are all sorts of stories of courage and cowardice from that day - remarkable stories.

the queens colours were lost in the buffalo river that day - that battle was the victorian equivalent of an US battalion being overrun by talibs and slaughtered to the last man

[Singha]

the book I read "hinge of battle" said:
- the british line of riflemen were able to cut down a couple of zulu charges in the field due to repeater rifles and "485 grain" heavy bullets.
- but as they ran out of ammo and ammo trunks were behind, fresh zulus were able to charge within assegai throwing
range and the british had no foxholes or shields to hide from these spears. under cover of the assegei volleys, the
remainder of zulus came to close range and killed everyone , then they ran a mile and killed everyone in the wagon train - mostly those holding the ammo, cooks, drummers, wounded. 6 wounded were overlooked in a tent and survived. wagons had not been arranged in a boer circle but as per brit army regulations, behind the tented camp
and their fighting line was well away from that camp area.
- around 5 british officers managed to escape and the apparent cause was claimed as the zulu chief had said "kill the redcoats, all of them". but these officers were wearing blue coats so they were not chased with deadly seriousness

the zulu regiments were described as superbly fit and well trained, boys having been put into military training from the
age of 6 and they could march 50km a day routinely across the hot and dusty veldt. they were said able to march
faster than horse cavalry on broken terrain.

the regiment which attacked the rorke drift was a smaller part of the main force....one lone engineer there had the presence of mind to fortify the place with bags of flour and biscuit tins in the few hrs of warning he had AND break open all ammo boxes and dump piles of ammo near each firing post.

[SRoy]

^^

Add to that the episode of the British Expeditionary Force's shameful flight from Dunkirk in 1940 at the sight of the desert fox.

Oh wait, ...they repeated the stellar feat in Singapore two years later.

[Singha]

it is alleged hitler let dunkirk happen (didnt massacre the pocket) because he still hoped for a negotiated soln with the western allies to turn his attention to russia with his back secure.
I dont know if rudolf hess mission to scotland was backed by hitler...MOD docs will be declassified in 2016

[Lalmohan]

there are varying accounts, basically anyone who stood at isandhlwana was killed. a lt younghusband was holed up in a cave with 6 men, seeing all lost, he came out shook hands with his men and ran headlong into the zulu line with his sword out. needless to say he and his men didn't get very far

of the blue coats, these were either natal white volunteers (quite a few of whom ran early on) and 2 were lts from chelmfords staff one of whom was ordered to save the queens colours (or made an autonomous decision himself!) and another was a badly injured fellow officer he met on the fugitive's trail (both of them died but on the natal side of the river... and there is a mystery about their deaths since they werent killed in the ritual zulu fashion)

some of these natal whites made it across, including one who said he was with the two lts. although he is alleged to have stolen a horse from an enlisted man... his report forms the major part of the official version of the lt's deaths, but it is full of inconsistencies... so makes you wonder, anyway - the losing of the colours and their subsequent finding in the river a few weeks later becomes a major morale booster and propaganda tool for the army - reeling from shock at being slaughtered by 'godless savages'

as for the camp, they never expected to be attacked there, so it was set up in normal order, not fighting order. even when the battle started, there was no order given to set up defensive positions - which was standard operating practice. there was a failure of command and incompetence all through - the colonel and many officers of their time being gentlemen who had bought their commissions! once the zulus broke through, there would be no stopping them in CQB

the zulus themselves took casualties at long range almost immediately from when they crested the hill. the martini rifles had a very long range, and indiscriminate fire with teh heavy rounds was deadly. all the way from the top to the bottom they lost hundreds of men. howver at the base of the hill there is a dip in the ground and anyone there is out of the fireline below the horizon. this allowed the zulus to close the gap to 100 yds. the british skirmishline was now too thin and too far from its resupply and was quickly overrun, already with men fleeing back to the camp on seeing the hopeless situation

meanwhile, the zulu left (horn of the buffalo) had turned the flank and overrun the rocket artillery and pushed the british into "durnford's donga" where they managed to hold for a while, but were soon pushed out. at this point, durnford ordered his native cavalry to retreat off the field. they rode past rorkes drift and told them that they were all going to die. durnford now leaves teh infantry to die and brings the horsemen back to the camp and the nearby hill to the side of the isandhlwana rock. he dies there, his body is disembowelled - which mummifies him, to be found clearly recognisable six months later.

the rorkes drift zulus were from the right (horn of the buffalo) which saw little action on the day, and political infighting amongst hte chiefs led to them making the attack - against the king's orders. i write earlier about the officer in charge of rorkes drift being an idiot, the defense was probably organised by the sargeant

the battlefield itself is a fascinating place to visit (as you may have gathered!)