Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 14 Jan 2011 00:27

What is the measurement technique used to suggest that a particular RAW chief(s) steered RAW more successfully ? Is there some statistical data/scientific process or just a sociological tool to present that ??

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 14 Jan 2011 06:53

Govt itself is collecting caste details for its census...so nothing "casteist" about it...I felt it is a fact worth sharing....Admin can delete it if its against BRF rules.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 15 Jan 2011 22:39

Is terror on the prowl again at Mumbai shoreline?

MUMBAI: Intelligence agencies have issued a terror alert, warning the city police against 'trained swimmers' who could plant bombs under the hull of ships and boats anchored near the shore.

The alert comes close on the heels of several intel inputs hinting at terrorists trying to sneak in through the sea route to carry out subversive activities in the metropolis and, more specifically, the Port zone police, entering Indian sea territory; officials say they are taking it seriously and have sent out a detailed advisory to the port authorities.

Following the latest advisory, cops have stepped up vigilance at Ferry Wharf and near the Gateway, though no date has been specified about when the terrorists plan to strike. If sources in the security establishment are to be believed, this time round, the attack could be carried out by members of a sleeper cell of the banned outfit, Indian Mujahideen (IM).

"The terror alert states that a group of well trained swimmers, who could be the part of sleeper cells of the terror outfit, was about to carry out a terror attack in the water. The input says that the attacker may plant bomb in stationed boats," the source said.

However, police officials say such tip-offs have become "a matter of routine". "Last year, the (intelligence) agencies had warned of an aerial attack. They directed us to be on the lookout for terrorists gaining access to Mumbai with the help of paragliders," an officer said, adding that paragliding had subsequently been banned in certain parts of the city.

"We were then informed that members of a certain terror outfit were trying to use the underground drainage system to land in the metropolis. Even then we had beefed up security but could not zero in on anyone," the officer said.

"We asked the enthusiasts to go out of the city and try their luck. We have been receiving terror alerts from the intelligence agencies but most of them are inactionable," said an officer saying it unnecessarily puts pressure on them.

"Such warnings put unnecessary pressure on us. Even this time, the alert does not specify any place, date or time. What we are supposed to do? However, we have stepped up security after we received the latest alert as we don't want to take any chances," the officer said. In the past, there have been a number of alerts like someone may attack from underground drainage system, terrorists may enter the city from coastal area, terrorists already entered the city. However, not a single terrorist was caught on the basis of these alerts, said police sources.

Judging by their tone, I wouldn't trust them to guard Mumbai.. So much for their enthusiasm or lack of.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 16 Jan 2011 23:42

AoA

Hats off to whoever conducted the op.

Mumbai boy kills India's most wanted

Sources reveal how a small-time convict from Kandivli went to Pakistan and pumped bullets into IM mastermind Riyaz Bhatkal.
Even as the daring shootout that killed India's most wanted terrorist and chief of terror outfit Indian Mujahideen, Riyaz Bhatkal has thrown investigators into a huddle, the needle of suspicion points to a Mumbai assassin.
According to sources, the man identified as the shooter is a former convict affiliated to Mumbai's underworld.

Maharashtra's Anti-Terrorism Squad chief Rakesh Maria told MiD DAY that there is a delay in gathering details of the killing, and confirming facts. There are enough details though, Maria pointed out.
The identification of the shooters and the slain terrorists could be delayed as they could be carrying fake travel documents and living under assumed names in Dubai and later in Karachi.
The killer
Sources informed that the hireling is a contract killer from Kandivli, who was named in earlier supari hits. He jumped bail and was assigned the task to carry out the killings in Karachi. He is known to have worked as an informer in various gangs, and belongs to the lower rung of society.
Who did it?
While the grapevine is rife with rumours and theories surrounding the brains behind the murder, fingers are pointing at the involvement of the Chhota Rajan gang. Sources suggested that the kaam or job was outsourced through fugitive gangster Chhota Rajan, who is known for his desh bhakti banner.
The name of incarcerated gangster Babloo Srivastava has also emerged for his alleged role in providing logistic support to the death squad. While some sources pointed out that the operation could have been masterminded by Indian intelligence sources.
Operation Bhatkal
One theory doing the rounds is that the unnamed shooter was shown the two targets travelling in a Toyota near Karina Market in downtown Karachi by intelligence operatives. The shooter opened fire on the two men, who succumbed to their injuries in a nearby hospital.
Face of terror
Bhatkal has been the face of the Indian Mujahideen for the past seven years. He has been the mastermind of several blasts in the country including serial blasts in Mumbai, Pune, Delhi, Ahmedabad, Jaipur and Bangalore. After his death, the IM will be forced to come up with a new commander to fill Bhatkal's shoes.
Nepal route
The contract killer appears to have slipped into Karachi via Nepal. The back-up team comprising of locals and porters from Nepal posed as carriers from Kathmandu carting items like kurtas and sherwanis to Karachi as a cover for their operation.
Earlier hits
Underworld sources said Indian intelligence had earlier pulled of a similar operation by bumping off Dawood Ibrahim's key associate and Nepali Member of Parliament Mirza Dilshad Baig with the help of Rajan's henchmen Farid Tanasha and Balu Dokre at Kathmandu on June 7, 1998.
Rajan had earlier made dozens of attempts on the life of his former mentor Dawood Ibrahim with the help of his lieutenant Farid Tanasha.
The killer squad had to abort the operations due to the ISI security cover around Dawood. Some of the shooters in Tanasha's team include Bunty Pandey, Vicky Malhotra, Balu Dokre, Ejaz Lakdawala and Ejaz Pathan.
Kaam is the underworld lingo for a contract killing. It is a synonym to the term supari and is more commonly used by henchmen these days.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 17 Jan 2011 00:18

Venkarl wrote:Govt itself is collecting caste details for its census...so nothing "casteist" about it...I felt it is a fact worth sharing....Admin can delete it if its against BRF rules.

Yes , you are right. Govt is itself using these data to use them for evoked set of inherent divisions, so as to DIVIDE . God knows when this evil use of the government machinery in a democratic setp wil cease. Bitter consequences await, RAW is in the upper echelon of the pyramid , situation is even worse below !!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Jan 2011 05:46

Samay wrote: Govt itself is collecting caste details for its census...so nothing "casteist" about it...I felt it is a fact worth sharing....Admin can delete it if its against BRF rules.
Yes , you are right. Govt is itself using these data to use them for evoked set of inherent divisions, so as to DIVIDE . God knows when this evil use of the government machinery in a democratic setp wil cease. Bitter consequences await, RAW is in the upper echelon of the pyramid , situation is even worse below !!

Govt itself has admitted that they are doing social engineering with all these census data
Not only that other western countries get access to these data and also they also have infleunce in it

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Jan 2011 08:54

AoA Hats off to whoever conducted the op.

Credit due to the GoI wherever due... Cant believe GoI wont have a inkling of this op.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 17 Jan 2011 10:21

An article on the new IB & RAW chiefs
On rubber soles

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 17 Jan 2011 12:56

Sumji... Sad to say that the article is total horse maneur/lies.

Sometimes we wish for somethings to be accurate.

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 18 Jan 2011 20:58

3 suspected Chinese spies arrested at Indo-Nepal border

The Chinese nationals were spotted taking photographs of the SSB camp, Indo-Nepal gate and activities of the SSB. Kakkar added that they did not possess passports and visas and entered Indian territory illegally. The SP said that during interrogation, the Chinese nationals claimed that they were engineers working in Nepal on a Chinese project.

Ankit

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Jan 2011 10:46

X-post:

sum wrote:India arrests three Chinese on suspicion of spying

LUCKNOW (Reuters) – Three Chinese nationals have been arrested on suspicion of money laundering and spying on border security camps along India's northern borders, police said on Wednesday.

The arrests were made in Uttar Pradesh close to India's border with Nepal. Local police chief Sanjay Kakkar told Reuters the accused, including a woman, said they were employees of Chinese telecoms equipment maker, Huawei Technologies.

The arrests come a few weeks after Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visited India in a display of warmth that, however, failed to lift the veil of suspicion between the two nations or resolve a disputed border, a legacy from their brief 1962 war.

"We arrested them for trespassing as we found them on Indian soil without a valid Indian visa," Kakkar said, adding the three were caught taking photographs of border guards installations.

"We are suspecting their involvement in some money laundering activity as they were carrying Indian PAN (tax document) cards in their names."

Huawei's spokesman in India, Suresh Vaidyanathan, said the company was aware of the arrests and "are cooperating fully with local authorities to determine the facts."
Is this creepy or what?
Chinese Huwawei employees supposed to be in Nepal ( doing what??) caught near a SSB camp with camera and Indian PAN cards!!?

Vivek Raghuvanshi · Post by **Vivek Raghuvanshi** » 22 Jan 2011 15:50

To profile every terrorist and insurgent Modus operandi, every Counter Terrorism Team MUST read, chew and digest Che Guevara and Mao Tse Tung's WISDOM

Vivek Raghuvanshi · Post by **Vivek Raghuvanshi** » 22 Jan 2011 15:51

COUNTER TERRORISM CAN ONLY BE EFFECTIVE IF YOU CAN ENTER THE MIND OF CHE GUEVARA and MAO TSE TUNG - Vivek Raghuvanshi

Vivek Raghuvanshi · Post by **Vivek Raghuvanshi** » 22 Jan 2011 15:51

TERRORISM EVOLVES INTO INSURGENCY AND INSURGENCY EVOLVES INTO A REVOLUTION - Vivek Raghuvanshi

kit · Post by **kit** » 22 Jan 2011 16:53

Vivek Raghuvanshi wrote:COUNTER TERRORISM CAN ONLY BE EFFECTIVE IF YOU CAN ENTER THE MIND OF CHE GUEVARA and MAO TSE TUNG - Vivek Raghuvanshi

er, why the caps ? Do you want that engraved or what ?

Aaryan · Post by **Aaryan** » 22 Jan 2011 16:56

Vivek Raghuvanshi wrote:TERRORISM EVOLVES INTO INSURGENCY AND INSURGENCY EVOLVES INTO A REVOLUTION - Vivek Raghuvanshi

Dear genius saar … your statement is head over heals.. If u do a detailed study of terrorism and insurgency you will find that its always starts insurgency and then shifts towards terrorism. I am not using word evolve as evolution is a process of growing naturally and every resistance movement dose not evolves to insurgency and I don’t remember any event in history where we can say terrorism evoled into insurgency

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 22 Jan 2011 21:27

Vivek Raghuvanshi wrote:TERRORISM EVOLVES INTO INSURGENCY AND INSURGENCY EVOLVES INTO A REVOLUTION - Vivek Raghuvanshi

Raghuvanshi-saar,
with due respect, things are not that simple, especially in the indian context. The line between the exploiter and exploited is often blurred......
true, to master counter-insurgency one needs to master Mao and Guevara....but that was then...and this is now.......
insurgency remains strong as long as the insurgents remain disciplined, lean, mean and thin. The moment they start collecting "tola" from the masses to sustain their operation, the begining of end starts......
India will not see the so called "revolution" emerging from insurgency....never ever....because there are infinitely many cross-currents in the society,...and thanks to our liberal democracy.......Study the 'evolution' of 'mao-vaadis' in central Bihar.
India has also mastered the art of counter-insurgency.......just let it drag on for years after year........the society takes care of it.....by security measures just don't let it go out of control....that's all. You'll find n number of NGOs, activists who will clamour to bring the insurgents into the political process.....and that's it, you solve the problem......you have just added some more spices into the big cauldran of "rasam" or 'daal"...and the pot will make a nice mixture of it........

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 22 Jan 2011 22:35

Guys, maybe Vivek is right or maybe wrong. But, does it really concerns south block ,is there any preventive measure ever taken to stop something spreading against the country within the country , if not politicised ?

See, Kashmir,Punjab,Naxalism-maoism, NE,, whos to blame ?

With state controlled media and sold-out media groups , the effect of such reports are dampened even further? Isnt using controlled media to dampen every unsuitable news against votebank politics, a really dangerous habit ?

When people who are supposed to show light are covered with burkhas and congressi-commie-mnc spectacles , everything becomes darker.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 23 Jan 2011 04:29

Kati please do post more often for benifit of readers like me. Exact to the point analysis without dispersing the content in an essay. like the style.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Jan 2011 21:34

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sum wrote:Top Naga leaders in Delhi

New Delhi, Jan 23 (PTI) Two top Naga rebel leaders today hinted at some progress in the ongoing talks on the vexed Naga issue, saying they acknowledged Government''s "positive" attitude in finding a lasting solution.
NSCN(IM) chairman Isak Chisi Swu said the rebel leadership was in the country at the invitation of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for peace dialogue and hoped that the Centre would keep its promise that any agreement with the outfit would reflect the "unique history" of the Nagas.
"We are committed to an honourable, just and lasting solution," Swu said addressing a function here organized to welcome his visit.
Swu arrived in New Delhi yesterday after a gap of more than a year and also accepted Indian passport for the first time. So far, he was reportedly carrying the passport of a neighbouring nation.
The Naga leader said he welcomed the Indian government�s positive attitude towards the ongoing talks between the group and the interlocutor R S Pandey.
"I thank the Government of India for this initiative and hope that they would not miss the opportunity,� he said adding "we acknowledge the positive attitude and effort of the government for creating such a conducive atmosphere".
Admitting that there were differences among Nagas, he said reconciliation among them was the need of the hour.
Addressing the gathering, NSCN(IM) general secretary Thuingaleng Muivah too said the discussions held so far were "positive" and hoped the Centre would do the needful by recognising the Naga identity and in bringing a lasting solution to the six decade-old insurgency problem in Nagaland.
The Naga group has been holding parleys with interlocutor Pandey to iron out differences on several vexed issues including integration of Naga-inhabited areas.
In the last meeting, the NSCN-IM has proposed a federal relationship with the Indian Union with additional financial and legislative powers while the Central government offered financial package for socio-cultural development of Naga people.
Seems to be HUGE news. Is this the beginning of the end of the Naga issue?

bksahu · Post by **bksahu** » 27 Jan 2011 11:30

Surely a welcome news!!!
After so many decades we can hope to finish this chinese chekkers once and for all.

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Jan 2011 13:37

Cash haul in Karmapa raid

Dharamshala/Shimla, Jan. 27: Himachal Pradesh police today raided the 17th Karmapa’s home in Dharamshala and claimed to have seized six suitcases containing unexplained cash in Indian and foreign currencies that could amount to crores.

Karmapa Ugyen Trinley Dorje, now 25, is the spiritual head of the Karma Kagyu sect of Tibetan Buddhism and has been in Dharamshala since his headline-making escape to India in January 2000, aged 14.

Sources said the government had increasingly curbed the movements of the “Boy Karmapa” over the past few years under suspicion that Beijing had stage-managed his “escape” so he could keep an eye on the Dalai Lama’s activities.

Today’s raids on the Gyuto Tantric Monastic University, where the Karmapa lives, followed yesterday’s seizure of Rs 1.25 crore in Una town from a vehicle that was allegedly carrying some monks to Dharamshala.

“The monastery was raided around 1.30pm. Three currency-counting machines from three local banks have been pressed into service. The counting is still on. The police so far have counted Rs 5 lakh in Indian currency and a huge amount of foreign currency,” Kangra superintendent of police Diljeet Singh Thakur said.

Sources later said some 4,000 Euros had been counted and that the Indian currency could run up to more than Rs 10 crore. The police are trying to ascertain the source of the cash and also whether the money seized yesterday belonged to the Karmapa.

A close aide of the Karmapa, Rabjaychojan alias Shakti Lama, has been arrested and questioned about the source of the money. Some of the money is in the currencies of China, Japan, America, Britain, Australia and Thailand, police said.

The Karmapa was said to be inside the monastery during the raids but there was no word from him or any of his aides on the search or the seizures.

Two men, Asutosh and Sanjay, were arrested after yesterday’s seizure of cash, which sources said had been drawn from a private-sector bank in Delhi.

Dorje has been under the security agencies’ scanner since his arrival in India. He lives in Sidhbari, 10km from the Dalai Lama’s residence. The Centre has confined the Karmapa’s movements within 15km of his home for sometime, and does not allow him to visit the Dalai Lama too frequently.

“On July 25, 2009, the Karmapa was given only 30 minutes to meet the Dalai Lama. Earlier, three consecutive requests from him to see the spiritual leader were turned down,” a source close to the Dalai Lama said.

Since July 2008, the Centre has refused to let the Karmapa visit other monasteries in Himachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir that are located close to the China border.

Dorje has also been banned from travelling abroad. He had toured the US in 2008, when he visited New York and San Francisco in an attempt to raise his international profile. He is keen to visit America again but the government has not budged.

The Karmapa’s Z-plus security cover was withdrawn a couple of months ago; so he is now guarded by a single police constable instead of 24 security personnel. Till 2006, he was always escorted by a group of four aides but that was stopped after the security agencies objected.

A month ago, when the Karmapa began building a multi-crore religious structure on a 75-acre site in Kotla, 42km from Dharamshala, the income tax department and security agencies questioned the source of funding. The foreign ministry later ordered the construction stopped.

Followers of the Karma Kagyu sect, one of the four main schools of Tibetan Buddhism, are believed to be the richest among Tibetans. The Karmapa’s followers often controversially project him as the successor to the Dalai Lama, who heads the Gelug sect.

The Karmapa’s official seat is the Rumtek monastery in Sikkim, but Dorje cannot go there because of the emergence of a rival Karmapa.

Mostly the central agencies feel he is a Chinese plant ad hence, all this drama ( raids, cutting security, banning travel etc) to let the Chinese know that they( Indian agencies) are aware of the Chinese plans

jsbawa · Post by **jsbawa** » 29 Jan 2011 21:57

I searched the forums for this issue I was thinking of. Not sure if this has been discussed before.

But has anyone noticed, at the Delhi airport, how close the new link road(connecting Terminal 1 and 3) is to the ARC hangar?
Also, half a dozen hotels being constructed starting less than 150 meters from the ARC hangar.

Referring to grid location: 28.554618,77.121018

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Jan 2011 22:18

^^ Had noticed the same on my way to the T3.Got to see atleast 1 Il-76,2 Gulfstreams and the old B-707 ( which seems unused and full of dust) from real close quarters.

The other funny thing is that there is virtually no fencing/boundary wall between the road and this particular hangar!!!

jsbawa · Post by **jsbawa** » 30 Jan 2011 01:17

..or I could be wrong. Could it really be the ARC Hangar? I noticed an AN-32, 2 IL-76, the old B-707 and the hint of a soviet chopper, MI-8 or something. But in Black.

??

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 30 Jan 2011 04:21

Wooing NSCN (IM)

* China agrees to host a permanent representative of the NSCN (IM) from 2008
* The outfit is asked to spy on Indian troops in Arunachal Pradesh and the Dalai Lama
* Pakistan’s ISI also contacts NSCN (IM) and asks it to break the ceasefire with India
* NSCN (IM)’s firepower grows significantly during the ceasefire with India that began in 1995

For decades, India and China have played a cat-and-mouse game, full of intrigue and suspense. Even while New Delhi is trying to find ways around vexatious border issues or making occasional noises about stapled visas, Beijing has been secretly supporting, advising and arming major insurgent outfits in India’s troubled Northeast and the Maoist belt. Unlike the noise and heat the Indo-Pak relationship generates, Indian diplomats maintain a studied silence when it comes to the Chinese hand in the Northeast or arms from across the border reaching Maoists in central India.

In the last three months, however, the Chinese hand in the Northeast has been revealed in great detail. In the early hours of October 2 last year, Indian intelligence officials, along with their counterparts in the National Investigation Agency, accosted a tall, hefty man waiting outside the Patna railway station. The quarry was Anthony Shimray, a key official of the National Socialist Council of Nagalim (Isak-Muivah) faction or NSCN(IM), the biggest insurgent outfit in the Northeast. Not only is Shimray a powerful member of the NSCN(IM)’s top leadership, he is also the nephew of its general secretary, T. Muivah, currently in New Delhi for peace talks with the Centre. As the chief arms procurer for the outfit, Shimray also has first-hand information on Chinese efforts to support insurgencies.

Shimray: Tailed and Nabbed

Shimray’s early morning arrest was the culmination of a meticulous operation conducted by India’s external intelligence agency RAW in the preceding weeks. They had managed to track down Shimray in the middle of September. He was operating out of Bangkok, a haven for arms dealers, insurgents and intelligence agencies. It was to be a tricky call: Shimray could not be nabbed in a foreign land, and there was considerable debate within the government on picking him up since this was in the midst of a dialogue with NSCN(IM). Finally, with clearance, intelligence officials had a stroke of luck.

By the end of September, the sleuths had gathered from their sources that Shimray would need to travel from Thailand to get his visa renewed and visit his cadres in Manipur and Nagaland. Quietly, they managed to procure his travel details to Nepal and began to monitor his exit from Bangkok. Shimray took a Royal Nepal Airlines flight to Kathmandu in the early hours of September 27 and proceeded by road to quietly slip across the Indian border into Bihar. From here, he was to proceed by rail to the Northeast but he was arrested before that.

His subsequent interrogation has been detailed in a 100-page report, accessed exclusively by Outlook. It throws up several startling truths about the Chinese hand in Indian insurgencies. While Shimray speaks at length about NSCN(IM), he also reveals China’s links with ULFA and the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB) in Assam and the United National Liberation Front in Manipur. Here are Shimray’s key revelations:

Paresh Barua at an ULFA training camp near China-Myanmar border. (Photograph by U B Photos, From Outlook, February 07, 2011)

Chinese Arms for the Northeast

Even as recently as September 25, 2010, Shimray was procuring arms and had held further talks with his middleman in Bangkok, Willy Narue. One consignment being negotiated was for Arunachal Pradesh. He even asked the suppliers if they could deliver in the “upper part of Arunachal from the Chinese side”. Investigators feel Shimray’s covert October trip to India may have been tied to the arms deals.

Shimray also told his interrogators how he procured arms from the Chinese in late 2007. “It was decided by our leadership stationed in New Delhi to strengthen the weaponry of the organisation,” he reveals. With Narue’s help, he contacted Yuthuna, a Chinese representative of TCL in Bangkok, TCL being the “authorised subsidiary of the Chinese arms company China Xinshidai, Beijing”. On its website, Xinshidai is described as dealing in the import and export of specialised products by China’s defence industries.

The final shopping list included 600 AK series rifles, nearly 6 lakh ammunition rounds, 200 sub-machine guns, pistols, rocket launchers, light machine guns and 200 kg of RDX. The deal was worth $1.2 million, with an additional $1 million for shipment from China. The consignment was sent through a shipping agent in Kittichai of Bangkok-based Intermarine Shipping. It was to be “loaded from Beihei, a south Chinese port. The destination was Cox’s Bazaar”, a major landing station on the Bangladesh coast. “All the correspondence with Willy Narue, our leadership in New Delhi, Nagaland and others in Thailand and China,” Shimray says, “was made on e-mail to maintain the secrecy of the entire project.” The information was saved as a draft and accessed by Chinese intelligence using Shimray’s password.

Shimray also recalled his visit to China in 1994 for a joint arms deal for NDFB. The “procurement of the arms and ammunition” was “made from the Chinese company NORINCO”. This consignment included “1,800 pieces of arms and one lakh rounds, which included AK series rifles, M16 automatic assault rifles, machine guns, sniper rifles, rocket launchers and pistols”. The money came from a Naga businessman using Calcutta-based hawala operators.

Again, in 1996, “arms and ammunition were brought from Beijing to Cox’s Bazaar in a North Korean ship”. After the consignment was unloaded in small boats on the high seas and transferred in trucks to NSCN(IM) camps in Bangladesh, it travelled to the Northeast.

China Hosts Permanent Representative of NSCN(IM)

In another significant revelation, Shimray details how China’s relationship with the NSCN(IM) was strengthened in 2008 when it agreed to host their permanent representative. The year also seems to have been a watershed moment in the NSCN(IM)’s relationship with China and its renewed efforts to arm itself. And ironically, in the midst of a 15-year-dialogue it has been having with New Delhi.

According to Shimray, in a letter from ‘Prime Minister’ Muivah addressed to senior Chinese intelligence officials, Kholose Swu Sumi, a 60-year-old member of the Sema tribe in the Zunheboto district of Nagaland, was appointed as the permanent representative of the NSCN(IM) in China. Kholose’s acceptance by the Chinese was an official acknowledgement of a formal relationship with the NSCN(IM). Kholose was promoted to the rank of a colonel and asked to interface with the Chinese. “His main job was to update the Chinese authorities about the development of peace talks and the activities of the Indian army and to pass on the response of the Chinese authorities to the collective leadership of NSCN(IM),” says the interrogation report recording Shimray’s confessions.

Kholose, who ran a business in precious stones, received Shimray and his wife at Kunming airport (Yunnan province, southeastern China) on a visit and introduced him to several Chinese intelligence officials. “He introduced me to Mr Chang, head of intelligence of the region in Dehong Mangshi,” Shimray told his interrogators. “Mr Lee Wuen, head of intelligence of Yunnan province, was also introduced to me. I gave them the message of our leadership, that NSCN(IM) wanted their assistance and cooperation.”

Suspicious lensmen Chinese nationals arrested by the UP police in January

Forging Military Cooperation and Spying on India

Shimray also talks of a visit to China in the summer of 2009. This time, he accompanied his ‘President’, Isak Chisi Swu. “The visa for the visit,” says Shimray, “was arranged by the Chinese intelligence authorities at the Chinese embassy in the Philippines.” The trip helped the NSCN(IM) leadership forge “military cooperation” with the Chinese. But, “in lieu of extending military cooperation,” says Shimray, the NSCN(IM) was to “give information on the movement and activities of the Dalai Lama in India and the movement and facilities of (the) Indian army in Arunachal Pradesh”.

An ISI agent codenamed Mr Rex offered NSCN leadership financial aid as well as military training.

NSCN(IM) cadres in the border district of Tirap in Arunachal Pradesh began to immediately monitor Indian troop movements. Shimray contacted a Naga journalist in Delhi, paid her Rs 80,000, and persuaded her to travel to Dharamsala, the headquarters of the Dalai Lama, to gather intelligence. “For getting information on the movements and activities of the army in Arunachal Pradesh, we collected the information through our cadres in Tirap district and our New Delhi office,” Shimray told the investigators. “I passed on this information to an official of the Chinese intelligence agency.”

In his reports to Chinese intelligence, Shimray would use code words such as “Awo” to designate China and “Mayang” for India. He also conveyed the information using the e-mail id angel3phi@ yahoo.com, which would be accessed by a Chinese intelligence officer using the same password. While Shimray was in constant touch with the Chinese, other senior NSCN leaders such as ‘deputy minister’ Kehoi too were making contacts with Chinese authorities. In addition, NSCN(IM) commander-in-chief V.S. Atem also had some Chinese contacts.

Interestingly, the Uttar Pradesh police arrested three Chinese citizens in January who had illegally crossed into India and were found photographing border check-posts. In the same month, a 39-year-old Chinese woman, Wang Qing, was arrested and deported after she illegally travelled to Nagaland and also met Muivah. She was reported to be from the People’s Security Bureau, the Chinese intelligence agency.

ISI Links

In a subsequent interrogation, Shimray also gives interesting insights into his relationship with Pakistan’s ISI which tried to engage with the northeastern insurgents on several occasions. The NSCN(IM) leadership was received by “the Pakistani intelligence officials” in Karachi way back in 2001 even as the NSCN(IM) was negotiating peace with New Delhi. In 2008, an ISI agent working under the pseudonym of “Mr Rex” and stationed in Bangladesh visited the NSCN(IM) leadership in Bangkok and offered “financial help as well as military training” if the Nagas broke the ceasefire with India.

It is, however, the China factor that continues to be a major irritant for New Delhi even as peace talks continue with the Nagas. It has already expressed its displeasure at China’s stapled visas to Kashmiris and Arunachalis, its denial of a visa to an Indian army general and its efforts to arm and support the insurgency in the Northeast. The balance of power between the elephant and the dragon, it seems, will continue to oscillate before it can stabilise.

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 Jan 2011 09:24

More on the Chinese NOC who was deported:
The mysterious case and photos of Qing Wang

Photographs retrieved from a Macbook laptop belonging to a Chinese national have left the Government befuddled about her intentions.

Qing Wang, a 38-year-old Chinese national, was passing herself as both a timber sales representative and TV journalist. Her pictures show her “interest” in insurgent movements in South Asia particularly NSCN-IM in Nagaland, Kachin Independence Army in Myanmar and Maoist rebels in Nepal.

On January 21, Indian Immigration authorities sent back Qing on board Chinese Eastern Airlines flight CZ 360 from IGI Airport and deported the Beijing resident to Guangzhou. This happened when she was caught in Dimapur without the mandatory Restricted Area Permit.

While Qing was given a tourist visa (No. AH-228250) on her passport (No. G45343709) to visit New Delhi, Jaipur, Mumbai and Bangalore from December 17, 2010 to January 25, 2011, she “strayed” to Nagaland after meeting NSCN-IM general secretary Th. Muivah for four hours in Delhi.

Qing was questioned for nearly 36 hours by security agencies at IGI Airport and was allowed to leave after she “evaded” all questions. Sources said that Qing, resident of F 1910-1912, Tower C, Beijing Global Trade Centre, No 36, North Third Ring Road, East Dongcheng district, Beijing, was deported as she was suspected to be a “non official cover agent.”

Her visa application said that she was working as Department Manager in the Trade Department of Beijing Xuanwei Timber Industry Company Limited in Dongcheng. However, she passed herself as a journalist and took the Brahmaputra Mail on January 15-16, 2011, to Dimapur along with other Naga youths.

A background check on Qing found that she had travelled to India thrice: from December 27, 2009 to January 23, 2010; from August 11, 2010 to August 23, 2010 and her trip this month.

During her last trip in August 2010, Qing made her first acquaintance with Muivah in Delhi and visited the NSCN-IM Camp Hebron at Manglamukh as well as a camp in Kohima. This time, she had a long meeting with Muivah and then went to Camp Hebron where she was caught by Dimapur police and flown to Delhi.

What intrigued authorities is that Qing travelled to India in August 2010 on a separate passport (No G 16555721) with similar identity details and landed up at Kolkata from Kunming in Yunnan province.

The NSCN-IM has a presence in Kunming with their chief arms supplier Anthony Shimray, now under arrest, travelling to China no less than six times since 1994.

“Her keen interest in Naga insurgency and her extra-cautious measures in movements raised doubts about her stated official position and indicated that she had links with Chinese intelligence,” a senior official said.

Qing’s laptop revealed photographs with Muivah in Delhi, with Maoist supremo Prachanda aka Pushpa Kumar Dahal in Nepal, in a purported PLA camp in Nepal and a Kachin insurgent camp in Myanmar. It is suspected that Qing was in touch with some of these groups.

Big Q is why was the NOC let off? Shouldn't she have been detained ( NOCs anyways dont have diplomatic immunity etc) and used as a bargaining chip on some other matter, like the arrested Surat traders?

Aaryan · Post by **Aaryan** » 30 Jan 2011 22:36

No discussion on the money trail of karmapa lama??? I don’t know if bringing up this topic is good enough.. I hope that I won’t hurt the sentiments of his followers , but you guys remember the controversial way he escaped from china..

Aaryan · Post by **Aaryan** » 31 Jan 2011 00:42

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Aide-to- ... 20632.html

The Karmapa Lama is the third highest lama in Tibetan Buddhism’s hierarchy. The Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama come before him.
All three are linked to one another since each has had (for centuries) to recognise the reincarnation of one of other. The current Karmapa is 27-year-old and fled Tibet in a daring escape with his family in 1994 and joined the Dalai Lama in India.
China wants to break the line of succession, and has already abducted the real Panchen Lama, replacing him with a political appointee.
When the current Dalai Lama dies, Tibetans feel the Karmapa must lead the exiled community until the rebirth and recognition of the next Dalai. The police probe now underway tries to discredit him, since under Tibetan law high lamas are held responsible for the actions of their subordinates.

And if I remember correctly his holiness Dalai lama has reportedly said some time back that he is the last Dalai lama.. And since real Panchen Lama is in Chinese custody… Karmapa Lama will be the sole spiritual leader of Buddhist followers and Tibetans. How much beneficial it will for china if they can plant any one is such upper echelon..

wig · Post by **wig** » 01 Feb 2011 10:18

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110201/main5.htm
HP cops bust ISI module, retired Armyman arrested

Following surveillance of several ex-servicemen, the Himachal Pradesh Police has busted a neat network built up by Pakistan’s ISI to collect intelligence on the movement, morale and activities in Indian cantonments.

The HP Police picked up an ex-serviceman, identified as Ghanshyam Singh Guleria, from Chandimandir, Headquarters of the Western Command, on Monday. He is the third person in the chain to have been arrested by the HP Police, which earlier arrested Bhagwan Das, another ex-serviceman, and a resident of Mandi, Amrik Singh, who is accused of transferring money into the bank accounts of ex-servicemen’s relatives. Sources in the police claimed that surveillance had been mounted on 10 ex-servicemen, seven of them residing in Punjab and Delhi and the rest residing in Himachal Pradesh after their retirement.

While Panchkula police was not taken into confidence before Guleria was picked up and taken away for interrogation, police sources claimed that the JCO had several clippings and important information about the Western Command in his possession.

Police suspect that the ISI has systematically been targeting ex-servicemen, who not only have access to cantonments but who are also in touch with serving officers and jawans.

Interception of telephone calls have led the police to conclude that the ex-servicemen were being approached by ‘Indians’, possibly also ex-servicemen, posing as working for various welfare agencies of the services. Military Intelligenge had also issued an advisory to ex-servicemen and cautioned them that they could be approached by other ex-servicemen for information. Guleria had retired last year but continued to reside in the cantonment. He also managed to get re-employment with the Army Postal Service. Similarly, Bhagwan Das had retired from the Army and was re-employed by the Animal Husbandry department of the Himachal Pradesh government.

Significantly, Bhagwan Das has been receiving calls from his handlers from a SIM card issued by an Indian telecom company but which had not yet been activated. Technical experts have been called in to unravel the mystery.

wig · Post by **wig** » 01 Feb 2011 10:22

ISI using hawala channels to pay sources

Investigations into money transactions effected by alleged hawala operator Amrik Singh have revealed that the Pakistani agency ISI has spread its tentacles in the state by creating a network of sources, mostly comprising ex-servicemen, under a well-planned exercise.

In fact, Amrik Singh, a resident of Mandi, has turned out to be an important link in the ISI espionage network unearthed following the arrest of Bhagwan Das, ex-servicemen, working as a veterinary pharmacist in the Animal Husbandry Department who had been supplying sensitive information pertaining to military cantonments in the state to Pakistan.

He had transferred over Rs 1 crore in the recent months to the accounts of 10 persons out of whom seven were in Punjab and Delhi, and rest the natives of the state. The money trail has led to the arrest of Ghanshyam Singh Guleria of Malkher village in Kangra district who retired from the postal wing of the Army only last month. He was nabbed from Chandimandir today.

Additional director general of police, CID, ID Bhandari said all seven recipients outside the state had been traced and placed under surveillance. One of the transactions was traced to Phunia Devi of Lad Barol in the state whose husband was working as a cook in Hong Kong.

The fact that the money was sent by her husband clearly indicated that Amrik Singh, whose brother was in Thailand, had been indulging in hawala transactions. There was a possibility that he might be aware that some persons, into whose accounts he had transferred money, were ISI agents.

The police reached Amrik Singh after Bhagwan Das, who was arrested from Khundian three days ago after being under surveillance for over four months, revealed that money was being transferred to account of his son Rajesh Kumar, employed in ATM security, in Chandigarh.

The police came across two such recent transactions one of which was traced to Amrik Singh. The other transaction was made through an ATM in Raxol, close to Nepal border, under a pseudonym Sanjay. Amrik used to transfer money to the accounts of the persons on the basis of an SMS sent by his brother Avtar Singh from Thailand. The SMS enabled the police to identify the recipients.

The interrogation of the two suspected ISI agents has revealed that they were supplying sensitive information like movement of Army units, morale of the jawans, casualties in various operations and activities being carried out in cantonments.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/201102 ... chal.htm#2

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 01 Feb 2011 11:04

Im waiting for news to come out of who exactly the Chinese paid off in the Indian govt, to demoralize and weaken the armed forces.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 02 Feb 2011 06:34

India beefs up China border

The military has devoted more resources to an area long starved of economic development and infrastructure. It has formed a battalion of local, high-altitude-trained troops, upgraded 14 air strips and accelerated modernisation of roads.

India’s military force is estimated to number 1.5m Mr Singh said over the past year India had raised 23 new battalions of paramilitary forces across the country, among them new recruits to the Border Security Force, and taken steps to fortify its coastal security.
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Anil Lal, a former commanding general of the Siachen and Ladakh division of the Indian army, said China’s increasing military might was “unnerving”. He warned that New Delhi needed to take stock of Beijing’s military assets in Tibet, the technological advances of the People’s Liberation Army and its capability to punch through the Himalayas into areas like Ladakh

kit · Post by **kit** » 02 Feb 2011 10:38

ASPuar wrote:Im waiting for news to come out of who exactly the Chinese paid off in the Indian govt, to demoralize and weaken the armed forces.

Not only the Govt, but also the media and environmental ministry/NGO

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Feb 2011 17:08

Excerpts from "Kaoboys of R&AW" on IDR. Makes for very intersting reading indeed:

Rajiv Gandhi and R&AW-I

During the little over five years he was the Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi had three chiefs of the R&AW. G.C.Saxena, an IPS officer of the UP cadre,who had taken over as the chief in April, 1983 when Indira Gandhi was the Prime Minister, continued till his superannuation in March 1986. S.E.Joshi, an IPS officer of the Maharashtra cadre, who succeeded him, retired in June 1987, after having served as the chief for 15 months. Rajiv Gandhi was keen that he should continue so that he had a tenure of three years like his predecessor, but Joshi felt it would be unfair to his successor.

Rajiv GandhiAn officer of the Tamil Nadu cadre was to succeed him, but Rajiv Gandhi reportedly got annoyed with him because he was unaware of the Bofors scandal when it broke out in the Swedish electronic media. He had him shifted as the Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee and designated A.K.Verma, an IPS officer of the Madhya Pradesh cadre, as the chief. He had a full tenure of three years----partly under Rajiv Gandhi and partly under V.P.Singh.

Saxena, like Kao and Suntook, was suave in his behaviour and gentle in his words, but hard-hitting in action. Joshi and Verma were more like Sankaran Nair—anything but suave, blunt in words and hard-hitting in action. Like Sankaran Nair, Saxena, Joshi and Verma were experts on Pakistan and political and militant Islam. Saxena, Joshi and Verma knew more about Pakistan than any other expert in India or abroad. Saxena had never served in the Islamic world, but he had been dealing with Pakistan right from the day he joined the R&AW shortly after its formation. He did not have much to do with Pakistan only during his posting in Rangoon in the 1970s. Joshi was the only chief of the R&AW to have served in Pakistan. Verma had served in Kabul and Ankara and had been dealing with Pakistan and the Islamic world during most of his postings in the headquarters.

Sankaran Nair and Verma were held in awe and respect in Pakistan’s intelligence and policy-making communities.They knew of the active role played by Nair under Kao in the liberation of Bangladesh and of Verma’s reputation as a mirror image of Nair----as an officer who would like nothing better than to break Pakistan again if he was given the go-ahead by India’s political leadership.

On the need for a mix of incentives and disincentives, Rajiv Gandhi, Saxena, Joshi and Verma were on the same wavelength. Rajiv Gandhi’s ready acceptance of Crown Prince Hassan’s offer was an example of such an incentive. It was fully backed by the R&AW without any mental reservations, though it did not ultimately produce the desired results. As examples of disincentives, one could mention the timely and effective pre-emption of Pakistani designs to use the Siachen glacier to weaken the Indian position in the Kargil and Ladakh areas and the use of the R&AW’s covert action capability to make Pakistan realize that it would have to pay a heavy price for its use of terrorism against India in Punjab.

Another component of the operational policy followed under Rajiv Gandhi was to frustrate Pakistan’s goal of a strategic depth in Afghanistan. The policy of frustrating Pakistan’s goal in Afghanistan was actually initiated under Indira Gandhi by Kao immediately after the formation of the R&AW in 1968. Strong relationships at various levels----open as well as clandestine--- were established not only with the people and the rulers of Afghanistan, but also with the Pashtuns of Pakistan. India’s desire for close relations were readily reciprocated by the Afghan people and rulers and by large sections of the Pashtun leadership. The networks established in the 1970s continued to function even after the occupation of Afghanistan by the Soviet troops and the installation in power of a succession of pro-Soviet regimes in Kabul.

The Soviet Union blessed and welcomed this networking and helped it grow in strength in whatever way it could. This networking created misunderstanding in India’s relations with the Afghan Mujahideen leaders. They were hurt and disappointed by India’s reluctance to support their struggle against the Soviet occupation, but these feelings of hurt and disappointment did not turn them hostile to India. Many Afghan Mujahideen leaders---Pashtun as well as Tajik--- maintained secret contacts with the R&AW even while co-operating with the ISI and the CIA against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. Rajiv Gandhi fully supported this policy.

Thus, Saxena, Joshi and Verma under Rajiv Gandhi’s leadership followed a triangular strategy towards Pakistan----co-operative relations where possible, hard-hitting covert actions where necessary and close networking with Afghanistan.

This policy started paying dividens in Punjab even when Rajiv Gandhi was the Prime Minister in the form of reduced ISI support for the Khalistanis, but this did not prevent the ISI from interfering in a big way in J&K from 1989. The successors of Rajiv Gandhi as the Prime Minister had the good sense to realize that this was an argument not for discontinuing Rajiv Gandhi’s policy, but for further strengthening it. This triangular strategy was continued with varying intensity under the successors to Rajiv Gandhi, but, unfortunately, Inder Gujral, who was the Prime Minister in 1997, discontinued it under his Gujral Doctrine. He ordered the R&AW to wind up its covert action division as an act of unilateral gesture towards Pakistan. His hopes that this gesture would be reciprocated by Pakistan were belied. His policy towards Pakistan became one of unilateral incentives with no disincentives.

The PSYWAR division of the R&AW, which had been wound up under the budgetary cut imposed by Morarji Desai, was revived after the return of Indira Gandhi to power and further strengthened under Rajiv Gandhi. An officer of the Indian Information Service, who had worked in the R&AW before 1977, was re-inducted to revive the PSYWAR Division. The work of this Division was largely focused on countering the ISI’s disinformation campaign against India and providing the dissident elements in Pakistan with the means of having their views disseminated inside and outside Pakistan. This revived PSYWAR Division was to do very good work when jihadi terrorism broke out in a big way in J&K in 1989, when V.P.Singh was the Prime Minister. This would be discussed later.

Rajiv Gandhi took great interest in the modernization and computerization of the R&AW. Under the modernization programme, its TECHINT capability was considerably increased. This was made possible through adequate investments for strengthening its capability for satellite communications monitoring, for aerial surveillance through the ARC and for the use of technical means in the collection of HUMINT. Prior to 1980, the R&AW’s capability for the collection of communications intelligence (COMINT) was largely confined to tapping landline telephones, which needed a human intervention to get access to the line. Before and during the 1971 war, its Monitoring Division was also able to intercept telephone conversations between the two wings of Pakistan. However, its capability for the interception of Pakistan’s overseas telephone communications was limited. The investments in satellite monitoring in the 1980s overcame these limitations to a considerable extent.

After the exit of Kao, not only the Army, but also the IB started questioning the exclusive authority for the collection of external intelligence---HUMINT as well as TECHINT--- entrusted by Indira Gandhi to the R&AW in 1968. The IB expressed dissatisfaction over the R&AW’s coverage of external intelligence having a bearing on India’s internal security. It was particularly critical of what it projected as the inadequate intelligence flow from the R&AW on the activities and plans of the Khalistani terrorists. Some officers of the IB, who were unhappy over the bifurcation of the IB by Indira Gandhi in 1968, now started insisting that the Government should have a second look at the orders passed by her in 1968. They even questioned the wisdom of her orders that the R&AW would be responsible for liaison with foreign intelligence agencies and that all contacts of other agencies such as the IB with foreign intelligence agencies would be only through the R&AW. Their argument was that since many of India’s internal security problems had external linkages, the IB, which was responsible for internal intelligence, should also be in a position to collect independently intelligence about the external linkages----either through its own source operations or through liaison with foreign security agencies. They felt that the IB should not be solely dependent on the R&AW for this purpose.

Parts II and III are also in the same link. Read them all. Some tit-bits given below:

However, these ground rules do not apply to the intelligence officers of India and Pakistan. The ISI does not allow suspected Indian intelligence officers to function and lead a normal life. It keeps them under permanent surveillance and taps their telephones all the time. There is nothing secret about the surveillance. I used to call it bumper-to-bumper surveillance. If the ISI caught any R&AW officer under suspicious circumstances, it beat him up and even administered electric shocks to him before expelling him from Pakistan despite the fact that he enjoyed diplomatic immunity from arrest and ill-treatment. If criminals are subjected to third degree methods, they can at least approach a court or a human rights organization for justice. When intelligence officers are subjected to third degree methods, they have to grin and bear it.

The IB is not a saint. It does almost the same thing to suspected ISI officers posted in New Delhi. The only difference is that the IB does not administer electric shock. At least, it never used to when I was in service. Considering the brutal manner in which the IB and the ISI treat the suspected intelligence officers when caught, it is a wonder how R&AW officers volunteer for posting in Pakistan and those of the ISI volunteer for posting in India. It is equally a wonder how they manage to collect intelligence when posted to each other’s country.

When I joined the IB in 1967, a senior officer of the Ministry of Home affairs (MHA) narrated to me a funny incident (he swore it was true) which illustrated the way the IB and the ISI treated each other. The IB used to maintain a permanent bumper-to-bumper surveillance on a suspected ISI officer posted in the Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi. Once, in winter, there was a heavy fog reducing visibility. The suspected ISI officer was returning home after a dinner outside. The IB’s surveillance car followed him very closely. After he had driven for some time, the suspected ISI officer stopped his car. The IB’s car also stopped. The ISI officer got out, walked to the IB’s car and asked the head of the IB’s surveillance team: “Care to come in for tea?” Only then, the IB team realised that while following the ISI officer’s car bumper-to-bumper in poor visibility, they had entered his house without noticing it. The embarrassed IB team apologized, declined the invitation and drove back.

One can write a humorous book on the way IB/R&AW and ISI officers operate in each other’s country and try to discourage the local people from interacting with the intelligence officers of the adversary. Once (before 1968) the source of an IB officer in the Pakistan Army headquarters told him he had managed to get hold of a classified document of the Army, but said he would not be able to let him take it to the mission for photostating. He said he would have to return it to him on the spot after perusal. The officer fixed his meeting with the source in a public park. He took with him his Personal Assistant along with a portable type-writer. He took the document from his source and his PA started typing it. The ISI surveillance team caught the officer and his PA and expelled them. Shocking, but true.

wig · Post by **wig** » 03 Feb 2011 09:48

army Military Intelligence gets its first Lt. Gen.

The Corps of Military Intelligence (MI) has got its first-ever officer of the rank of Lieutenant General. Till now, the senior-most rank that officers could attain in the MI, responsible for counter-intelligence, field security and information gathering, was the Major General.

Sources said Maj Gen JDS Rawat, Commandant of the MI School and Depot, Pune, was approved for promotion to the rank of lieutenant general by the Centre last week.

Even though the MI now has a three-star general, sources said it was unlikely that the Director General of Military Intelligence (DGMI) at the Army Headquarters, also a lieutenant general, would be an MI officer.

At present, there are vacancies for two officers of the rank of major general in the MI. One is the depot commandant at Pune and the other is the Additional DGMI at the Army HQs. The third vacancy at the level of major general in the MI at the Army HQs is also on the cards. There would then be three ADGMIs, with one of them, as is the practice, being from the other arms.

The new vacancies at the level of lieutenant general and major general are consequent to the implementation of the third stage of the AV Singh Committee recommendations on cadre restructure. The government had approved the implementation of the recommendations in phases from in 2005. This has also led to creation of some additional vacancies down the hierarchy and the upgrading of some posts.

The MI, which was upgraded from a support service to a combat support arm, is in the process of expansion and restructuring. Some additional units were raised and posts created to cater to the raising of a new Army command, corps and divisions. The manpower has also been increased over the past few years.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110203/nation.htm#21

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 04 Feb 2011 02:05

Couldn't CYA come up with a better excuse.....?

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HRD says no to American tutors in madrassas
Akshaya Mukul, TNN, Feb 4, 2011, 01.24am IST

NEW DELHI: The HRD ministry has rejected the US proposal of sending Americans to teach English in Indian madrassas. The proposal — routed through the ministry of external affairs — has been rejected on the ground that the government does not interfere in the functioning of madrassas.

HRD ministry itself offers a slew of incentives to madrassas, who volunteer to avail of it. "Our policy is of non-interference. The Indian government does not play any proactive role and simply monitors educational schemes for Muslims through its minority cell," a source said, adding that many madrassas already teach English.

HRD ministry has failed to evolve consensus among different schools of thought in Islam on the issue of setting up of a Central Madrassas Board. "The board could have looked into English education. But since there was no consensus, the idea has been put on hold," a source said. India has about 7,000 registered madrassas, with more than 3.5 lakh students on its rolls.

Another reason, though unstated, is the fear of evoking a political outcry. "US is seen as an aggressor by Muslims. Any attempt to bring American teachers in madrassas would have been seen as interference," a source said.

Read more: HRD says no to American tutors in madrassas - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... z1CvnJw5ZL

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Feb 2011 02:09

How about the US teachers getting radicalised or even trying to influence the madarassa children?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Feb 2011 06:58

kit wrote:
ASPuar wrote:Im waiting for news to come out of who exactly the Chinese paid off in the Indian govt, to demoralize and weaken the armed forces.
Not only the Govt, but also the media and environmental ministry/NGO

Good guess will be some one close to Commies and in the line to be appointed as PM. Some one cleared Chinese telecom (spying)company for business even after it was considred a threat to security .

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Feb 2011 20:38

I cannot believe they made this request. Sad.