Re: The Red Menace
Posted: 25 Nov 2011 06:08
>> West Bengal is so far shit
check the chart above.
check the chart above.
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You are right, the communists did some turn around in the last year of their regime. However, the whole thing of Maoists having hold on WB should not have even started and it was too fast where every leader is suddenly in WB. I had least faith in Mamta in the way she supported anyone opposing the WB government. She did not care if it is good or bad. Now she turned back on maoists. From her governance point of view this killing marks a new turn and she has to bear the future. Based on what I have seen in AP during 80s and 90s she will either be in trouble or she has to hound them and smoke them out (like GWB).Rahul M wrote:true, but I was pointing out that # of deaths are far lower than last year, about 25%.
Headline reminded me of the neverending stream of Al-Q #3.14 in TSP!!Is the number 3 rank in the CPI (Maoist) hierarchy jinxed:
Two top Naxal leaders – Kishenji and Azad – have been killed by the security forces while holding the same position.
Kishenji, whose real name Molajula Koteswar Rao whose mother tongue is Telugu, the dreaded Maoist commander carrying Rs 19 lakh reward on his head, was the third-in-command in the Naxal top body – Politburo.
Azad, whose real name is Cherukuri Rajkumar, was killed in a controversial encounter by Andhra Pradesh Police last year and had been officiating in the same position, number 3, when he was killed.
According to a dossier prepared by the Home Ministry, the top most leader of CPI (Maoists) politburo is general secretary Ganapati who carries a reward of Rs 24 lakh and is still on the run while the second-in-command N Keshav Rao with Rs 19 lakh on his head is still at large.
The other politburo members in the order of hierarchy include Kattam Sudarshan (reward Rs 19 lakh), Mallojula Venugopal (reward Rs 19 lakh), Prashant Bose alias Kishan da (reward Rs 7 lakh), Mallarajji Reddy (reward Rs 7 lakh).
There are eight politburo members who are in different jails following their arrest by security forces. They are: Kobad Gandhi, Narayan Sanyal, Sushil Roy, Mishir Besra, Pramod Mishra, Akhilesh Yadav, Amitabh Bagchi and Baccha Prasad Singh.
Osmania is a commie adda.Rahul M wrote:majority of top maoist leaders are from AP. kishenji is from osmania.
This is true of any org, movement, or nation. Cut the head of the snake...partha wrote:I feel the ideology and propaganda flows from the top. The more top leadership is targeted and eliminated the weaker the "movement" becomes.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20111125/main5.htmAfter an eight-hour-long battle, four bodies, suspected to be those of Kishenji and three other Maoists, Suchitra Mahato, Bikash and Manasa Hembram, were recovered.
Exactly my thoughts, when I heard about it. Dont know whether illicit relationship can be assumed?suryag wrote:What business did Kishen have with a wife of a fellow comrade?
A laptop confiscated recently from a top Maoist leader Sabyasachi Panda’s hideout in Odisha is believed to have helped the security forces carry anti-Maoist operation against Mallojula Koteshwar Rao alias Kishenji. According to sources, the laptop was analysed by top analysts in Delhi to locate the whereabouts of the no 3 leader in the Maoist hierarchy.
According to sources, security forces including the CRPF had surrounded Kishenji and a few other top leaders in the forests of West Bengal on Wednesday itself. However, Kishenji managed to give police the slip only to land in the middle of yet another ambush. An encounter for half an hour resulted in his killing.
Panda’s laptop is believed to have provided several important clues about the whereabouts of other leaders including another politburo member Akkiraju Ramakrishna alias RK. According to soruces, RK was earlier spotted in the Andhra-Orissa border. However, a miscommunication among the security forces in cornering him allowed him to escape the police net recently. Though unconfirmed, sources said the next target would be RK since his location has almost been confirmed.
However, the rights groups are crying foul at Kishenji’s encounter. They believe like in the case of ‘encountered’ top leader Azad, Kishenji too was captured somewhere else and brought to Junglemahal only to be shot from close range. According to sources among the sympathizers, Kishenji has a security cover of about 40 people armed with advanced weaponry and there is no way he alone getting killed. The other version that is pointing at the cause of action is the infight within the Maoist party.
Though the staunch supporters of Maoists rule out any infighting, sources said that the local leaders particularly the natives of the eastern region in the party have always been opposing the way Kishenji operated and did not like a Telugu climbing up the ladder in the hierarchy. “Undoubtedly there is an information leak from within the party,” a source said.
In what could be termed as the most precious haul so far made during anti-Maoist operations, the police have seized a laptop computer used by top Maoist Sabyasachi Panda alias Sunil.
Panda's laptop was recovered during a joint operation by the Odisha Police and the CRPF at Kerubadi jungle of Kandhamal district about a month ago. Though all the inmates, about 150 including Panda, of a Maoist camp could manage to escape from the place, the police could seize a number of items used by the Maoists in the dense forests. One of the seized items was the laptop; a senior official said, adding that after proper verification by experts, it was revealed that the laptop was being used by Panda, who continues to regulate all the Maoist activities in the State.
Panda's laptop was sent to New Delhi, where it was decoded and read.
“We have found a lot of information like people in link with the Maoists, their future plans, their communication with their central committee members and the amount of funds generated by the Maoists in Odisha,” sources said. The laptop has many secret documents, which are in possession of the CRPF headquarters in New Delhi.
The information received from it is likely to be passed over to the Union Ministry of Home Affairs. Panda is one of the three top Maoists against whom the State Government is planning to announce a cash reward of `20 lakh. Panda, a young, sworn Maoist, has given slip to the police several times. The great escape from the Kerubadi jungle is dubbed as the latest bid to fool the security personnel.
“Information received from Panda’s laptop will certainly help as the police can keep vigil on the people whose names figure in the computer. The persons whose names are there do not also know whether their names exist in the laptop,” official sources added.
some time back there was editorial in India today Hindi on this issue, some google search yields followingjohneeG wrote:Exactly my thoughts, when I heard about it. Dont know whether illicit relationship can be assumed?suryag wrote:What business did Kishen have with a wife of a fellow comrade?
Telugu poet and Maoist sympathiser Varvara Rao also alleged that Kishanji had been killed in a fake encounter.
"Kishanji was arrested two days ago and kept in police custody. He was killed in a fake encounter. It is a murder case which should be probed,'' Varvarao Rao told reporters at Kolkata airport.
Rao had also said that the "story" of an encounter was a fabrication.
Maoist spokesperson Akash when asked to substantiate his allegation said, "He was arrested when our people were present nearby and then murdered in cold blood. We demand an independent investigation into the killing of our leader".
CPI leader Gurudas Dasgupta in a letter to home minister P Chidambaram said, "The story of the encounter appears to be fake, needs to be inquired into and the government must clarify".
The Indian state of West Bengal is on high alert amid fears of revenge attacks after police said they had shot dead top Maoist rebel Koteshwar Rao.
Police say they are now certain the man killed in Thursday's clash is Mr Rao, who is also known as "Kishenji".
Maoist rebels have called for a two-day protest, saying he was murdered in an orchestrated or "fake encounter".
Mr Rao was one of the rebels' most senior leaders and analysts say his death will be a major setback.
The authorities are yet to make a formal announcement as the rebel leader's family is on the way to Calcutta to identify the body.
But authorities told the BBC's Amitabha Bhattasali in Calcutta that "we hardly need any more confirmation".
'In cold blood'
A picture of a body said to be that of Mr Rao's was released by the Reuters news agency but the face is not visible. However, several reporters who had regular contact with him were shown the corpse and confirmed that it was indeed that of the rebel leader.
The body has now been taken for a post-mortem.
West Bengal's Maoist chief Akash said that "Kishenji was murdered in cold blood" and several human rights organisations have also demanded a formal inquiry into the incident.
Police maintain that Mr Rao was killed after a gun battle between rebels and paramilitary forces in the Burishol forest in the Jamboni area of the state's restive West Midnapur district.
"We had been continuously tracking him for last two days. Finally we got him at Burishol forest," an officer involved in the operation said.
He said that about 900 paramilitary troops and state policemen took part in the operation - including elite Cobra commandos who are specially trained to fight Maoist rebels.
Police said that Mr Rao's body had been found with an AK-47 lying beside him. They also said that they had found a hearing aid nearby. It is well known that Mr Rao had trouble with his hearing.
Three other accomplices of Mr Rao were also killed, reports said.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 73963.aspx"According to my information, Kishenji was arrested yesterday (Thursday) around noon and later killed. If this report is true, it is a heinous crime … and a proper investigation should be conducted and clarified," CPI MP Gurudas Dasgupta said in a letter to Union home minister P Chidambaram.
Human rights activist Choton Das, one of the six interlocutors appointed by chief minister Mamata Banerjee for pursuing peace talks with the rebels, said in the same vein: "I suspect this is a case of fake encounter. A drama has been created over the entire issue."
Maoist ideologue Varavara Rao, who along with Kishenji's niece came from Andhra Pradesh to Kolkata to claim the slain rebel's body, described it as "murder".
Kishenji was all over, having tea with Tehelka journos, issuing statements and only now cops find him? Just after Sisten Valsa John murder.
I think Naxals murdered Sister Valsa John irked the missions all over enough to use their sources to tip off cops.
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Kudos to CRPF and WB Police to do this.told journalists at Burisole that it was “an absolutely clean operation.”
Mr. Kumar, however, was unfazed by the allegations and said he was not surprised that they had been raised. “It is the habit of such people to accuse [the security forces of fake encounters].”
“It is a custom to accuse the police, but that is part of our job,” he added.
But Mr. Kumar said: “When we die in large numbers, it is always a very fair deal and when we are able to take them [the Maoists] on, this is what they say.”
“They [the security forces] have been very tactical and it was an absolutely clean operation. They have acted on time and not lost even one minute,” he maintained.
The Maoists seem to have a lot of power to buy Indian Media and Foreign media support as well Public help from Liberal Western Democracies, they get paid for creating trouble, so they will never agree for peace deals. We need to target the leadership in Jungles, our Cities especially the Capital Delhi. Maoists also seem to appear whereever mining interests are strong blowing up schools. colleges etc but mining does not stop. Its a tricky problem which needs to be solved over a period of time with good policing, especially catching the Media, NGO sympathizers.sanjeevpunj wrote:This process is long drawn, will just not solve the maoist dissent in years to come, but perhaps is the only alternative left with the government to exercise.I wonder why talks have failed so much to a point that this has to be done. Gill would have done this efficiently, but the man has retired.
This process should not be long drawn. It is being made by the government as though it is tough and will take time. If they really want to take off all these vermin in the same fashion that they did regarding Punjab terror of 80s or Kashmir terror of 90s, GOI may actually need less than an year to clear the stuff.sanjeevpunj wrote:This process is long drawn, will just not solve the maoist dissent in years to come, but perhaps is the only alternative left with the government to exercise.I wonder why talks have failed so much to a point that this has to be done. Gill would have done this efficiently, but the man has retired.
it seems to be a pointer that where there is a political will, there is a practical way...Pratyush wrote:The interesting thing is the killing took place less then 10 days after Mamta ended talks.
On relationship with Maoists
"I never joined the Maoist movement. This is gossip by the Communist Party of India-Marxist. The CPM members are with the Maoists.
During the day, they are Marxists and in the night, they are Maoists. In the Gyaneshwari Express mishap, according to the charge-sheet, the Maoists are involved. When the case starts, the people can join the lawyers to bring out the involvement of others. My apprehension still remains.
Should I give the Maoists rasogolla? It was our commitment that we will go for negotiations. It is a democratic process. But in West Bengal, there was no democracy and we restored democracy. If the Maoists on one hand point the gun and kill people and some other organisations also kills people under their name, then I can't go for talks.
Maoists might have some ideology. I want negotiations for peace and development. But if the Maoists kill people, the police can't remain silent. If a terrorist group kills people, the police will have to see that law and order is restored. It is the duty of the police to see that people live in peace."
These folks seems to have coomon views of issues like Supporting Maoists, UlFA, Hurrirat, LET etc. Show love to TSP leadership, Hate Indian Defense forces, Hate BJP, Hate Indian growth or developments of even benign things like space launches, the only thing they seem to like is the cocktail party circuit in delhi organised with Black money.....Kashi wrote:'Killing Maoist leaders will not solve the issue'
As per Rahul Bandita..the same bloke who was taken on by Gen. Bakshi in a TV debate on AFSPA a couple of days ago. He's a utter and a complete tool.