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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 31 Aug 2012 23:07
by krisna
Ike Was Right!
Empires rise on a strong economy and fall on a weak economy. Empires are built by elites for elites, sucking the blood out of the economy that propels them onto the world stage and enables their fleeting moment in the sun.
The United States is no exception. Washington traded the gold of American manufacturing jobs for the silver of geopolitical power.

Washington elites weren't merely content to practice diplomacy. They grew accustomed to dictating political and military policy in Europe and Asia. They liked waging war and running the world.

To that end, Washington elites excelled at creating a vocabulary to obscure reality and justify their actions. What America's Founders called empire, Washington elites call leadership and saving the world for democracy.
Since Eisenhower's most prescient warning in his farewell speech, the military-industrial complex has swollen to 40% of U.S. manufacturing capacity.
During the Cold War, Washington looked the other way while American commercial manufacturing jobs were lost to free world allies. Washington should have conditioned its defense commitments in Europe and Japan on free markets and fair trade. Successful trade negotiations were more important to the vitality of the U.S. economy, but not in the minds of Washington elites.

U.S. military bases in Europe and Japan put Washington elites in the driver's seat. Because defense commitments were used to dictate foreign policy, allied governments were never called on the carpet for mercantilist trade practices.

When the new world order of globalization arrived, Washington's priorities didn't change. Intoxicated by geopolitics, Washington continued to downplay the threat of economic competition.
Instead of a robust commercial manufacturing sector driving the U.S. economy to a size of $20 trillion in GDP, a hollowed out manufacturing sector has stalled the largest economy in the world at $14 trillion.

Instead of a healthy middle class with rising incomes, a weakened U.S. economy has flattened our middle class with falling incomes.
Since 9/11, "security" spending has almost doubled. Very little of this $1.2 trillion annual expenditure has anything to do with true national defense. :eek:

Washington runs a global welfare system for Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon and other giant military contractors. Their sales eat the largest slice of the U.S. budget and account for more than three-quarters of the global arms market.

As American foreign policy militarized, sound bites have replaced reasoned political debate and American culture has coarsened. The gargantuan villas that sprang up around Washington are the outward and visible sign of the national security state.
It is sad to contemplate the missed opportunity at the end of the Cold War. If Washington had shut down NATO and most of its thousand military bases abroad, the country would have been able to begin the process of healing the economic wounds of the Cold War.

The absence of political debate about the real war — the jobs war — made the loss of manufacturing jobs even worse when globalization hit. Rather than rehabilitate the American economy, Washington hid the true meaning of globalization from the American people through repeated military diversions.
Perversely, Washington elites act as if their job depends upon them not understanding the primacy of the U.S. economy.They tell us our national identity is defined by the monsters they seek to destroy abroad. 8) They command a permanent government which peddles doses of fear. By increasing our market share in war and terrorism, Washington elites have become an existential threat from within.
Empire impoverishes us. We pay for a security umbrella which relieves our economic competitors of the burden of providing for their own defense. This hurts us not just in the money we spend and the money they don't spend, but it takes Washington's eye off the ball
Each of the 66 empires in the last 3,000 years bankrupted themselves. Will we go the same way?
Washington elites consistently put their own interests ahead of our national interest. By selling American manufacturers out to foreign governments, they mined the gold out of our economy and dumped our middle class.

Without a strong middle class, the American system of government doesn't work. When our political institutions fail, our economy fails. When our economy fails, our politics become impossible.

The world no longer listens to Washington elites. Now it's our turn to do the same.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 31 Aug 2012 23:13
by pentaiah
I have often repeated this

"wars can not be waged with out new taxes or plundering the vanquished"

And add this

" In war periods new duties will be imposed and continue even when the war ends "
( the republicans piled on the debt to kick the can of duties down the road, now they started the talk of shared sacrifice and duties)

There are many data points for the above
Just for instance "Stamp duty"

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Sep 2012 01:14
by svinayak
krisna wrote:Ike Was Right!


The United States is no exception. Washington traded the gold of American manufacturing jobs for the silver of geopolitical power.

Washington elites weren't merely content to practice diplomacy. They grew accustomed to dictating political and military policy in Europe and Asia. They liked waging war and running the world.

U.S. military bases in Europe and Japan put Washington elites in the driver's seat. Because defense commitments were used to dictate foreign policy, allied governments were never called on the carpet for mercantilist trade practices.
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As American foreign policy militarized, sound bites have replaced reasoned political debate and American culture has coarsened.

Without a strong middle class, the American system of government doesn't work. When our political institutions fail, our economy fails. When our economy fails, our politics become impossible.

The world no longer listens to Washington elites. Now it's our turn to do the same.
What is not mentioned in this article is China PRC. This shift of global mfg to China from US is one of a kind in history.

The geopilitcal gains are considered bigger


Also the hidden fascist plan to dominate with religion is never mentioned

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Sep 2012 02:25
by RamaY
Acharya wrote:Also the hidden fascist plan to dominate with religion is never mentioned
Long time ago SwamyG garu thought USA is secular nation with perhaps religious parties. He did not agree with me on this very foundation of that society.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Sep 2012 02:29
by member_22286
Money is needed for dominating with religion

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Sep 2012 02:29
by krisna
Three Dead in New Jersey Shooting
The gunman—identified by relatives as 23-year-old Terence Tyler—shot an 18-year-old woman and 24-year-old man inside the Pathmark grocery store in Old Bridge, N.J., around 4 a.m., Middlesex County prosecutor Bruce Kaplan said at a news conference.
The shooter, described by relatives as a former Marine who loved video games, left work around 3:30 a.m. and returned a half-hour later carrying an AK-47, multiple ammunition magazines and a handgun. He fired at least 16 shots before killing himself, Mr. Kaplan said.
shootings becoming common every day.
ak-47 invented by its bete noire now commonly used here.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Sep 2012 07:23
by SSridhar
krisna wrote:shootings becoming common every day.
The US may be awash with all sorts of weapons. But, that's part of the sacrosanct Second Amendment. Don't say anything about it.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Sep 2012 07:35
by pentaiah
That AK-47 I am 400% is Chinese made

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Sep 2012 23:11
by Altair
Manny wrote:
Altair wrote:awesome news! need more drone attacks in US killing innocent bystanders.
Whats wrong with you? A typical leftist desi... Sheesh! Do you hate Americans because they bomb Pakistanis? Does your bleeding heard bleed for them?
Sir,
Look. I just enjoy the feeling when American Government makes weapons accessible to thugs and murderers and they deliver results in the way they actually should.
This is logically similar to Pakis killing American soldiers in Afghanistan with American weapons or Beirut bombing of Marines with American explosives.
No hard feelings here. btw, I hate leftists and their ideology more than I hate Pakis.
Altair

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 10:03
by Anindya

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 11:06
by KLNMurthy
Manny wrote:
ranjbe wrote:For what it's worth:
India gets special treatment in GOP platform
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... p_platform
Cool.. Only the leftists of India would percieve the US as India's enemy and hate that article. An I say..Bugger all to the leftists! The leftists of India are cause of 600 million crawling on the floor in India in abject poverty after 70 years of their monopoly in India.
Yes very cool, read the article, usual admonition for India to open up to american biz, and as a special treat following the wisconsin shootings, gratuitous advice for India to protect its religious minorities.

Joy is boundless for this native.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 11:51
by rajanb
Very kool.

Open up our markets so they can start recovering their manufacturing base and supply us good? ha Ha.

Take it back from the Chinese, yanquis. You gave it away in exchange for your decline!

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 14:01
by Philip
....and export our most valuable natural resources that would give us N-power independence ,read about the Thorium scam,the mother-of-all scams in the 2-G thread!

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 17:37
by member_20292
^^^ Nyet nyet last 3 posters.

You think the cunning Hindu baniyas are the most innocent of bakras in the world?

Our opening up our own economy will in turn lead to us dominating the world of business in the US, slowly. Something like we already do, but even more potently.

Open up, o countrymen. Let the foreigners into the country. Dekh lenge unhe, Inshallah!

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 17:46
by nakul
Swamy says that we should open up our economy to their money only if they open theirs for our labor. Imagine gujju baniyas teaching a lesson or two to to Wal Mart. We have lots of WKKs & MUTUs for export as well...

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 18:00
by member_20292
^^ arrey aane do walmart ko. We'll do a Jaguar Land Rover on them.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 19:02
by Suppiah
Well said..

Unlike most other Asians, particularly East of India bananas like Pinoys, we are not in awe of goras nor are we naive and stupid. Already the interaction in the software/BPO world is allowing Indians to learn and mimic a lot of American marketing tricks and lingo. (such as ' I am doing some research' when all he is doing is scratching b.ls waiting for a job).

There will be some attempts at cheating of course, some short changing of farmers, customers, but I guess even there our Banias and Nadar traders can teach Americans new tricks they never knew existed.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 03 Sep 2012 23:00
by member_20292
^^^Arrey hum un logon ke baap hain yaar.

And this has been proved multiple times not once. Per capita, our management talent is mind blowingly good.

Let Walmart come. In 20 years time it will be owned by Reliance Fresh.

The Waltons will be eating vada paav, thepla and daal-baati -chuurma everyday with relish.

Maa Behen Beti Biwi...kissi ko nahin chodenge hum! (kindly excuse !)

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 04 Sep 2012 00:25
by pentaiah
" is mitte ke tilak karo, yeah gaurav ki balidaan hai vandematram"

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Sep 2012 20:33
by Arjun
Don't know if this is the right thread, but apparently India is officially planning to seek an apology from the Washington Post for a critique of Manmohan that most urban Indians would agree with !!

Government to seek apology from Washington Post

UPA seems to be bent on hammering home India's Turd-world status to the rest of the world.....

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Sep 2012 20:41
by ramana
^^^

Thats giving too much importance to the 'rag' masquerading as a newspaper.
Who cares what WP thinks. No one outside the DC reads it anyway.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Sep 2012 20:49
by svinayak
ramana wrote:^^^

Thats giving too much importance to the 'rag' masquerading as a newspaper.
Who cares what WP thinks. No one outside the DC reads it anyway.
We need a 50 blogs to write and criticqe such rags and keep them under shap.
Any news about India in these rags should be subject of discussion about the rags and the authors

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Sep 2012 20:53
by ramana
US under GWB converted a surplus budget into a huge deficit and waged brutus fulmen wars in Middile East most likely driven by Bibilical ideas. The WP never called GWB a tragic figure who led US to ruination and who is singlehandledly responsible for cutting short the American century to a decade!

Its a case of physician heal thyself, before you prescribe remdies to other countires.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Sep 2012 20:56
by KLNMurthy
Arjun wrote:Don't know if this is the right thread, but apparently India is officially planning to seek an apology from the Washington Post for a critique of Manmohan that most urban Indians would agree with !!

Government to seek apology from Washington Post

UPA seems to be bent on hammering home India's Turd-world status to the rest of the world.....
Lie down with paks, wake up with pakiness smeared on your face.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Sep 2012 20:58
by Arjun
ramana wrote:Who cares what WP thinks. No one outside the DC reads it anyway.
That may be true...but its idiotic for any country that claims to be a democracy with freedom of press, to be asking for an apology for an opinion-piece.

The UPA's feudal and dynastic mindset is well known - but this escalating fascism towards the press is a new one.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 09:54
by shyam
ramana wrote:US under GWB converted a surplus budget into a huge deficit and waged brutus fulmen wars in Middile East most likely driven by Bibilical ideas. The WP never called GWB a tragic figure who led US to ruination and who is singlehandledly responsible for cutting short the American century to a decade!
The Untold Story Of How Clinton's Budget Destroyed The American Economy

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 10:34
by pentaiah
It's also well known that the US trade deficit exploded during the late 90s, which means that 'X-M' was also a huge drag on GDP during his years.
Trade deficit explodes when the country importing currency is strong vis a vis the country exporting assuming the importing country is not borrowing for consumption (if you borrow for consumption your currency will weaken for sure). Even today USA is largest consumer of products and resources, actually this time the dowmn turn will be far more spread overs years because Americans are gradually saving more and for sure they are not going to go back to credit card debt at 20% plus rates, the times rolling euphoria is over...

The graph clearly shows that during Clinton saabs era the deficit was going from negative to positive quadrent ( ok base line of break even..)

About Freddie Mack and Freddie Mae , its the under writer of the private mortgage/bank consortium's
who were in collusion with the appraisers, builders and in order to push the excess supply of money (from Oil exporting countries and PRC) into investments in US housing, plus zero down, bridge loans etc exotic schemes made the mockery of risk evaluations. It was grand scheme of looting money from federal govt by one all, prior to that recall the savings and loans scandals under republican administration and all loss was absorbed by the TAx payers. It was the biggest Bank collapse till 2008 now its just peanuts we talk trillions...

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 11:31
by shyam
The report was a republican campaign
Gasparino specifically cites the controversial Community Reinvestment Act, a popular conservative bogeyman

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 11:43
by Suppiah
Arjun wrote: but this escalating fascism towards the press is a new one.
Dont be silly..you need a course in fascism. Suggest join JNU..many of their illustrious alumni are now dynastic puppet yellows..they can teach you.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 15:50
by Arjun
PMO lodges protest over story against PM
Taking exception to the scathing language, which essentially came from quotes by critics, I&B minister Soni demanded an apology from the daily. "How can a US daily take the matter so lightly and publish something about the prime minister of another country? I will speak to the ministry of external affairs and the government will seek an apology from the daily," she said.
The Moron-par-excellence speaketh!

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 15:58
by SSridhar
^ Ms. Ambika Soni has always taken herself far more seriously than what demands.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 16:01
by nakul
The PMO has made a mockery of itself. Thanks to their open replies, even TV channels have started showing the WaPo article on TV. Wonder what was the need to reply and create more publicit. They should have ignored it and let the matter die.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 16:14
by pentaiah
Our culture is psychopancy driven other wise how can congress elders behavior be explaine for that matter all our politicians, people fall at their feet Sonia G ..
Be it Mulayam, lallo, Bal, Amma , NTR Maya
We are nation of flatters with false prestige and presences

Sorry for the rant

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 16:35
by Arjun
Leaving aside the issue of buffoonery on display by the Indian PMO, we seem to be seeing the first signs of the West learning to differentiate between the major Indian parties. Increasingly, there seems to be a realization that India's future Great Power status (widely assumed to be a certainty in the latter part of the last decade) is not necessarily a given...and that it depends critically on the competence of the leadership in the intervening years. Also increasingly - the INC government is seen to be linked with indecisiveness, incompetence & lack of leadership - whereas the message and body language coming from the Gujarat government & Modi is the opposite.

Urban Indians have been pushing this line for a while now - but the rest of the world seems to be finally catching on.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 16:49
by Suppiah
It is entirely possible that all this 'MMS is bad' propaganda is designed to serve a different purpose that has nothing to do with NaMo. It is to make the clown prince look like a knight in shining armour arriving with great reluctance and out of highest noble ideals of sacrifice, to rescue the country, take over the mantle as a sacred duty, and make sure its 'secular, progressive' vision is realised. Puppet yellows, purchased and/or taken on lease from lal-jhanda cabal for terms unknown, are actively promoting this plan..

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 16:51
by Suppiah
pentaiah wrote:Our culture is psychopancy driven other wise how can congress elders behavior be explaine for that matter all our politicians, people fall at their feet Sonia G ..
Be it Mulayam, lallo, Bal, Amma , NTR Maya
We are nation of flatters with false prestige and presences

Sorry for the rant
Whenever there is dirty work to do, dynasties only have to glance towards their rear orifices. And ask the owner of one of the tongues to temporarily stop their duties go do the dirt job.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 18:01
by Arjun
Suppiah wrote:It is entirely possible that all this 'MMS is bad' propaganda is designed to serve a different purpose that has nothing to do with NaMo. It is to make the clown prince look like a knight in shining armour arriving with great reluctance and out of highest noble ideals of sacrifice, to rescue the country, take over the mantle as a sacred duty, and make sure its 'secular, progressive' vision is realised. Puppet yellows, purchased and/or taken on lease from lal-jhanda cabal for terms unknown, are actively promoting this plan..
Possible...but I wouldn't bet on it. RG's 'duffer' status is not unknown both within Indian and foreign press circles. Morover - whoever leads next year is anyway caught in a cleft - either they have to withdraw subsidies and lose voter sympathy, or keep them and be consistently disparaged by business and economic media. Not a happy position to be in before polls.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 18:14
by CRamS
Arjun wrote:
Urban Indians have been pushing this line for a while now - but the rest of the world seems to be finally catching on.
Boss, which planet are you living on? I just got back from India and witnessed first hand the ground situation. The puny Indian middle class, assuming they have any political/strategic awareness at all that is, is puny in terms of numbers. What shocked me beyond belief is that the level of polarization is so stark that a self-less saint like Anna Hazare is mocked, derided, and dismissed as for not being "secular" and fighting corruption is an "upper caste grouse". So two of the biggest banes that acutely afflict India: TSP terrorism, and corruption are seen as "upper caste" peeves. If there cannot be a congruence on such fundamental issues, is there any hope of India realizing its tryst with destiny? I guess thats also an upper caste fantasy as Pankaj Misra and ADhothi have said many times.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 18:22
by nakul
CRamS wrote:Boss, which planet are you living on? I just got back from India and witnessed first hand the ground situation. The puny Indian middle class, assuming they have any political/strategic awareness at all that is, is puny in terms of numbers. What shocked me beyond belief is that the level of polarization is so stark that a self-less saint like Anna Hazare is mocked, derided, and dismissed as for not being "secular" and fighting corruption is an "upper caste grouse". So two of the biggest banes that acutely afflict India: TSP terrorism, and corruption are seen as "upper caste" peeves. If there cannot be a congruence on such fundamental issues, is there any hope of India realizing its tryst with destiny? I guess thats also an upper caste fantasy as Pankaj Misra and ADhothi have said many times.

You might have met one of the ten millions of ToI subscribers :mrgreen:

On a serious note, 24 hrs electricity, clean water, transport facilities & smooth roads are going to triumph over corruption & terrorism any day. It is true that only a small part of the population have them. :x

These relatively well off people are those who are going to make noises about terrorism & corruption. The rest are busy in earning their next meal (which was mistaken for resilience by MMS) :((

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Sep 2012 20:33
by Raja Ram
Gentle readers should note that criticism is directed only at MMS and not at Sonia G. for the western media she is still the saviour of India from going towards a Hindu right. She is the tragic queen sacrificing herself to the upliftment of the Indian masses.