Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 May 2013 10:37

Ajit Jogi travelled by helicopter whereas people like Sukla had to travel by Car. Sukla a old family retainer of INC but may not be close to present Italian set up of INC. But Sukla family has a highly influential and well connected one one and I was treated once by his family member who was a highly regarded doctor in Madhya Pradesh. So Suklas cannot be termed as dead wood.

There is only one MAN in this attack who has guts to face the bullets - It seems naxals were not knowing that Mr. Karma is also in the INC group. He said to have personally came out the car and surrendered to naxals knowing that he will die for sure. He was made to stand against the tree and shot 51 times and died along with his son. He was from CPI and joined INC later. His salwa judum was the only thing made naxals s**t in their pants and SC and jhola gang made to wind it down. Killing of Mr Karma is a big boon for naxals.

Rest in peace Karmaji.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 27 May 2013 11:02

Narayana Rao wrote:He said to have personally came out the car and surrendered to naxals knowing that he will die for sure. He was made to stand against the tree and shot 51 times and died along with his son. He was from CPI and joined INC later. His salwa judum was the only thing made naxals s**t in their pants and SC and jhola gang made to wind it down.

True. Mr. Karma did have some heroic qualities which men in INC generally do not possess. To walk out of the car, declare his identity fully knowing the risks involved was awe-inspiring. He may have done it, so that others may not get shot.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 27 May 2013 13:14

svenkat wrote:
rkirankr wrote: BTW the it seems the water supply department had cut of water supply to the temple becos the temple did not pay dues. So they had to carry water. I do not from how far this poor guy was lugging the water. Anyway such a thing will never happen to politicians house or other faiths whose followers form votiing blocs.
OT:In temples where traditions are maintained,water for abhishekam is taken from free flowing rivers or wells,not from taps.

Water supply to temples from muicipal bodies is for washing hands,cleaning temple,utensils and drinking water etc

I do not know from where he was bringing it or if there is alake on the chamundi hill , but the poor priest looked tired and irritated

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 May 2013 14:35

Cong in AP may share BJP's fate in Karnataka (Aditi Phadnis in rediff)

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 May 2013 17:11

Karma was a key anti-Naxal organizer. This is a big hit. I fail to understand why there can't be a proper CI operation against Naxals when there can be against separatists in J&K, Pj and NE. I think we have not grown out of our socialist mindset of glorifying Naxalites as some type of romantic renegades looking for justice. They are plain criminals and deserve to be liquidated.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 May 2013 17:14

^^^ Come on man, Naxals are doing INCs work, keeping a place undeveloped and miserable so that they can keep voting INC. You will only see them active in areas which are not with INC.

Why will the central govt do anything to them? The number of Naxal affected districts when Man mohan made his 2004 speech of Naxals being the biggest problem was 12. In 10 years it is 120 odd.

Its open and shut case.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 27 May 2013 17:30

Supratik wrote:Karma was a key anti-Naxal organizer. This is a big hit. I fail to understand why there can't be a proper CI operation against Naxals when there can be against separatists in J&K, Pj and NE. I think we have not grown out of our socialist mindset of glorifying Naxalites as some type of romantic renegades looking for justice. They are plain criminals and deserve to be liquidated.

Many people think the same. Culprits for propogating this kind of mentality also lies wtih some of the film and serial makers , especially in South ,have shown naxalites as some kind of heroes.

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 May 2013 19:01

Naxal's are Rahul's army to fight against Bajrang Dal & RSS.
their main sponsor could be Vatican or Catholic church.
their training & arming is carried out by euro intelligence agencies.
note how the evangelical agencies running around bastar are never targeted by these 'maoists'.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 May 2013 19:07

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tdp-will-tak ... 37-64.html
I do not understand this madness of CBN. His third front drama is the reason why did not get some seats in 2009 Lok Sabha elections. He has nothing to gain by this and BJP has some good % of votes in Telangana and he could have joined with them. Minority vote is not going to come to him any way. Sometimes CBN is acts too intelligent for his own good.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 May 2013 19:15

Narayana Rao wrote:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tdp-will-tak ... 37-64.html
I do not understand this madness of CBN. His third front drama is the reason why did not get some seats in 2009 Lok Sabha elections. He has nothing to gain by this and BJP has some good % of votes in Telangana and he could have joined with them. Minority vote is not going to come to him any way. Sometimes CBN is acts too intelligent for his own good.

Whether he wins on not, what he is doing is right thing to defeat congress party. Have a charminar and enjoy the show in AP.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 May 2013 19:19

habal wrote:Naxal's are Rahul's army to fight against Bajrang Dal & RSS.
their main sponsor could be Vatican or Catholic church.
their training & arming is carried out by euro intelligence agencies.
note how the evangelical agencies running around bastar are never targeted by these 'maoists'.

Initially when I had joined BRF there was a video linked which showed a Al Jazeera guy interview one of these EJs cum Commie. This guy was peddling AIT also. All birds of a feather.

I got warned for commenting on that video.

Presently IA handles COIN in both Kashmir and NE. Outside these places is the so called peace time postings. IA will set the damn thing right if they are called upon to do it. But that would imply an level of honesty not seen in Indian political establishment. Which politician would want to point out which policies failed in these areas and now needs to be replaced by something more relevant.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 27 May 2013 19:40

^^^ There was a time here on BRF when Indian Maoists were assumed to be the handiwork of the Chinese and anyone proposing that the church and CIA may instead be involved was laughed out of the town.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 27 May 2013 19:51

Sanku wrote:^^^ Come on man, Naxals are doing INCs work, keeping a place undeveloped and miserable so that they can keep voting INC. You will only see them active in areas which are not with INC.

Why will the central govt do anything to them? The number of Naxal affected districts when Man mohan made his 2004 speech of Naxals being the biggest problem was 12. In 10 years it is 120 odd.

Its open and shut case.

No doubt in this ...

Maximum sympathy for the rogues in MP, CHattisgarh; Got rid of some useless deadwood; Loyalist murderous Ajit Jogi & his clan are saved.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 May 2013 20:24

varunkumar wrote:^^^ There was a time here on BRF when Indian Maoists were assumed to be the handiwork of the Chinese and anyone proposing that the church and CIA may instead be involved was laughed out of the town.

If there is damsel in the town ready to sleep with any man, then she is connected to that many. Naxals are same.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 May 2013 20:32

Muppalla wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tdp-will-tak ... 37-64.html
I do not understand this madness of CBN. His third front drama is the reason why did not get some seats in 2009 Lok Sabha elections. He has nothing to gain by this and BJP has some good % of votes in Telangana and he could have joined with them. Minority vote is not going to come to him any way. Sometimes CBN is acts too intelligent for his own good.
Whether he wins on not, what he is doing is right thing to defeat congress party. Have a charminar and enjoy the show in AP.

+1

ek myaan and do talwar cannot coexist.. in NDA there are plenty of talwars fighting to stay in one myaan. In the end, only the bhavaani talwaar from dwarika will remain in myaan. there is a process where one by one the talwars are made to fall in place. CBN is one of them...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 May 2013 21:53

Narayana Rao wrote:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tdp-will-tak ... 37-64.html
I do not understand this madness of CBN. His third front drama is the reason why did not get some seats in 2009 Lok Sabha elections. He has nothing to gain by this and BJP has some good % of votes in Telangana and he could have joined with them. Minority vote is not going to come to him any way. Sometimes CBN is acts too intelligent for his own good.

For BJP it is best that minorities move to some regional party, other than Congress or some Congress-B party. Every state should have some regional party and BJP.

West Bengal - TMC
Odisha - BJD
Tamil Nadu - AIADMK
Andhra Pradesh - TDP
Kerala - UDF
Karnataka - JD(S)
Bihar - RJD
Maharashtra - NCP

It is best to have Communists and Congress completely destroyed as forces.

So it is best for minorities to move away from Communists and Congress.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 28 May 2013 15:22

BJP expels Ram Jethmalani for anti-party comments

alexis · Post by **alexis** » 28 May 2013 15:57

RajeshA wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tdp-will-tak ... 37-64.html
I do not understand this madness of CBN. His third front drama is the reason why did not get some seats in 2009 Lok Sabha elections. He has nothing to gain by this and BJP has some good % of votes in Telangana and he could have joined with them. Minority vote is not going to come to him any way. Sometimes CBN is acts too intelligent for his own good.
For BJP it is best that minorities move to some regional party, other than Congress or some Congress-B party. Every state should have some regional party and BJP.

West Bengal - TMC
Odisha - BJD
Tamil Nadu - AIADMK
Andhra Pradesh - TDP
Kerala - UDF
Karnataka - JD(S)
Bihar - RJD
Maharashtra - NCP

It is best to have Communists and Congress completely destroyed as forces.

So it is best for minorities to move away from Communists and Congress.

UDF is Congress!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 May 2013 16:07

alexis wrote:UDF is Congress!

I know but better than Communists - LDF.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 28 May 2013 17:32

habal wrote:Naxal's are Rahul's army to fight against Bajrang Dal & RSS.
their main sponsor could be Vatican or Catholic church.
their training & arming is carried out by euro intelligence agencies.
note how the evangelical agencies running around bastar are never targeted by these 'maoists'.

Isn't Ajit Jogi known for mass conversion activities?

http://www.christianaggression.org/item ... 1073085929

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 28 May 2013 17:53

^^^ That is exactly the reason why the path is being cleared for him to be the CM again. Sonia Gandhi is behind propping Christians as CMs in states being targetted by the church for conversion, but God seems to be on the side of the Hindus. YSR died in a crash while Jogi broke his spine.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 May 2013 18:38

varunkumar wrote:^^^ That is exactly the reason why the path is being cleared for him to be the CM again. Sonia Gandhi is behind propping Christians as CMs in states being targetted by the church for conversion, but God seems to be on the side of the Hindus. YSR died in a crash while Jogi broke his spine.

well said, and soon the root will be thrown out to where it belongs.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 May 2013 18:46

There is going to be a lot of difference between NaMo's style and ABV's style. ABV still had respect for the dynasty. NaMo has none!

In 2014, all cupboards would be cleaned thoroughly!

Do we have an extradition treaty with Italy?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 May 2013 18:53

RajeshA wrote:There is going to be a lot of difference between NaMo's style and ABV's style. ABV still had respect for the dynasty. NaMo has none!

In 2014, all cupboards would be cleaned thoroughly!

Do we have an extradition treaty with Italy?

Sir, lets just wait 1 yr more. I would not celebrate now. Congress goons are experts in pulling out a victory/or even a 3rd front supported by cong, from thin air. BJP has a lot of work to do.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 May 2013 19:14

Optimistically seen, BJP would have it difficult touching 200 seats, even with Modi. So Modi would still be heavily dependent on allies to put him over 272. The ladies are fickle - JJ, MB, Mayavati, etc. CBN, NiKu, N Patnaik, Ajit Singh, Gowda are all not dependable either. Mulayam and Lalu one can forget.

SAD, Shiv Sena, AGP are the only reliable allies, which takes NDA to 220-225.

So around 50 seats would be dependent on fair-weather friends with fickle personalities and secular demands. So I agree, it is not going to be easy!

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 28 May 2013 19:37

RajeshA wrote:Optimistically seen, BJP would have it difficult touching 200 seats, even with Modi. So Modi would still be heavily dependent on allies to put him over 272. The ladies are fickle - JJ, MB, Mayavati, etc. CBN, NiKu, N Patnaik, Ajit Singh, Gowda are all not dependable either. Mulayam and Lalu one can forget.

SAD, Shiv Sena, AGP are the only reliable allies, which takes NDA to 220-225.

So around 50 seats would be dependent on fair-weather friends with fickle personalities and secular demands. So I agree, it is not going to be easy!

JJ and CBN will give about 40-50 seats. Of all those people you listed, these two will be happy to finish off congress. Patnaik I am not so sure. The problem is the 225 number. Even with Modi I see BJP touching 170 after applying law of averages over a wave. SAD-8, SS-14, MNS will also support Modi-2, AGP-2, RPI -2, NPF-1, SDF-1 = 30. TRS and Ajit Singh you can buy off another 15 seats. So that 210-215 range if where they will be. With jaya and naidu they will get close to 255. This is where Naveen steps in. I am not sure how much interest he has in finishing off the family.

BJP should just buy off JD(U) minus Niku, and of course focus on getting more than 170.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 May 2013 20:58

Bihar diary: Why is Nitish suddenly silent on Modi?

Everything, it is said, is fair in love, war and well, politics. Everything in Nitish Kumar’s case includes going mellow on the most bitter of rivals when circumstances demand. All fire and brimstone against the BJP just a few weeks ago, the Bihar chief minister is lying unusually low these days, even letting the nastiest of barbs hurled at him by local BJP leaders pass. He is not even taking offence to giant posters of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi put up by the later, proclaiming him as the “future prime minister of India”.

What’s the reason behind the change of heart? Well, it seems to have more to do with the by-polls to the Maharjganj Lok Sabha seat, than anything about the heart.

The JD(U) has fielded its candidate from the seat and winning it is a matter of prestige for Nitish. Both the RJD and the Congress have fielded Rajput candidates as the seat is dominated by Rajput voters. The JD(U) has given ticket to Education Minister Prashant Kumar Shahi, a Bhumihar by caste. Numerically, this caste comes third after Rajputs and Yadavs in the constituency. To make his candidate successful, Nitish needs the support of all the Bhumihar voters, who are traditionally supporters of the BJP. Any adverse comment on Modi could displease the caste members. Hence, the golden silence from his side.

This proves the general consensus in this forum that Niku was being used by some BJP insiders/PAIDMEDIA to weaken the candidature of Modi.

NiKu knows he will be a history if he opposes BJP, Modi or not Modi.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 May 2013 21:44

Published on May 28, 2013
By Kavita Chowdhury
Cong gained 191, BJP lost 144 assembly seats post 2009: Business Standard

It is striking that in several states – Puducherry, Kerala , Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, Manipur, Meghalaya and Tripura – the BJP has not managed to bag a single seat over the past two assembly polls ie in a decade.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 May 2013 22:10

vivek.rao wrote:

The JD(U) has fielded its candidate from the seat and winning it is a matter of prestige for Nitish. Both the RJD and the Congress have fielded Rajput candidates as the seat is dominated by Rajput voters. The JD(U) has given ticket to Education Minister Prashant Kumar Shahi, a Bhumihar by caste.
This proves the general consensus in this forum that Niku was being used by some BJP insiders/PAIDMEDIA to weaken the candidature of Modi.

NiKu knows he will be a history if he opposes BJP, Modi or not Modi.

No the behavior of Nitish is fully expected and the general consensus in the forum is hopelessly wrong, as seen in this case.

If ONE by-election can change Nitish's tune, why does any one think the full election wont have 100x effect on his behavior? The demographics are not very different overall. Bumihar's dominate the political scene even now. Its a lot like Patels in Gujarat. Modi will go and woo them, and bow and scrape if necessary, take in Congress leaders from Patel groups, chose candidates etc etc. Ditto in Bihar.

Both Nitish and BJP were posturing period. That is all. I would say their misinformation is pretty effective if BRFites also fall for it.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 May 2013 13:26

AGP slams Rahul Gandhi after WikiLeaks revelation

AGP secretary Durga Das Boro said that the party was contemplating legal action against Rahul Gandhi for making such a comment on the Assam's regional party, which formed the government in the state for three terms since 1986. Boro said that the WikiLeaks had recently revealed that "(Gandhi) had said that AGP leaders were insurgents and India allowed separatists to form the government in Assam and the United States should also allow Hamas."

Must've confused AGP with ULFA perhaps... anyway, awe-inspiring puppeteer for UPA3, clearly.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 May 2013 18:34

http://news.google.co.in/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn
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This corrupt bast****d “married” at least 3 women and GOK kept how many women and is talking about self respect “marriages”. Will he allow any of his “wife” s to have 3 husbands??? Women do not have self respect then???. If a lady wants to get married in particular way , is her wish not important for him.

I personally know about one incident he brought a kept women to a female college function wherein every one mistook her as his wife. Disgusting person, not because of his personal conduct but how is speaking about "self respect" with this kind of conduct.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 May 2013 18:40

RajeshA wrote:Published on May 28, 2013
By Kavita Chowdhury
Cong gained 191, BJP lost 144 assembly seats post 2009: Business Standard

It is striking that in several states – Puducherry, Kerala , Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, Manipur, Meghalaya and Tripura – the BJP has not managed to bag a single seat over the past two assembly polls ie in a decade.

So we now think Paducherry, Manipur, Meghalaya, Thripua ( with all due respect to our brothers and sisters there) are as importent as TN and west Bengal for the nationa general elections???. By the way Kerala also not so big. By the way INC got its a** kicked there.

INC does not rule a single big state with 40 plus MP seats except AP wherein they are already in begging stage.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 29 May 2013 18:51

Several people asked what is in it for Maino clan to kill their own leaders in Naxal attack.

I hope the picture is becoming clearer to most of the people.

Soften up Raman Singh who has delivered with his own Food security and general good Governance except on Naxal issue. Naxal issue too much for him because he has to fight Naxals, Mainos, EJs, Supreme Court, Paid Media, Naxal Agents, Europeans and central Govt.

Chhattisgarh attack Live: Raman Singh knew of attack, says Cong by Ayeshea Perera

1.30 pm: Raman Singh had prior knowledge about Naxal attack, alleges MP Congress

Madhya Pradesh Congress on Wednesday criticised Chhattisgarh Chief Minister Raman Singh over the Maoist attack on Congress’ Parivartan Yatra in Sukma district on Saturday, which left 27 people, including senior party leaders, dead.

“Maoists killed Congress leaders by taking their names. The Chief Minister had prior knowledge about the Naxal attack, but failed to provide security to the Parivartan Yatra,” Madhya Pradesh Congress Committee president Kantilal Bhuria alleged while talking to PTI.

Unfortunate BJP is raising suspicions about NIA, says RPN Singh

Minister of State for Home RPN Singh on Tuesday conceded that there was a security lapse that resulted in the Chhattisgarh attack by the Maoists, but said that action would be taken against those responsible.

Speaking exclusively to CNN-IBN, Singh said the attack was extremely unfortunate.

“There was a security lapse, the Standard Operating Procedures which were issued were not followed by the state police… anyone found guilty will not be spared.”

Singh denied the BJP’s claims that the central government was laying the blame at the state government’s doorstep and said they weren’t blaming anyone for now.

“Let the NIA investigate and let the report come in, once we get the report, we will point fingers. The buck has to stop somewhere,” he said.

But he already pre-determine the cause and you know what is the mandate of NIA ...

Chhattisgarh govt refutes KPS Gill’s claim against CM

The Chhattisgarh government today refuted ex-Punjab DGP K P S Gill’s claim that Chief Minister Raman Singh had asked him to sit back and earn salary as an advisor, saying it was “unfortunate” that he was giving such a “baseless statement” at this difficult period.

“It is unfortunate that a man of his calibre is giving such baseless statement at this difficult time,” Chhattisgarh government spokesperson Aman Kumar Singh said.

Singh said that the former adviser “was wrong in saying that he was asked to relax, enjoy his stay and keep earning his salary.”

Look how Mainos put Raman Singh in defense.

Just wait until the election... PAPPU will go and claim BJP worked with Naxals ti kill CON men.

This strategy is better than doing nothing.

The best way BJP can fight it out is arrest few poodles of Ajit Jogi and make them confess that Ajit Jogi has asked them to reveal all the plans to Naxals so that all his competition in the state is gone. Is BJP that smart? Keep raising suspicions and keep raising questions about Ajit Jogi. Offense is the best form defense. Unfortunately, no one BJP has learned this from Modi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2013 20:11

NIA involvement means the Naxals were working for the INC. Recall not a single bomb blast case has been solved or taken to completion by the NIA.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 29 May 2013 20:28

vivek, this is the tragedy. as brazen and pernicious as congress is, bhajpa has rendered itself impotent to be a real alternative by pursuing idiotic and wasteful pursuits and being completely blind to current realities. the challenge was to frame an alternative given the existing conditions.

i look at national channels, i feel sorry for bhajpa. they get airspace out of pity and for variety/novelty.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2013 20:35

And to be a whipping post. Like the stone in kaaba where you can throw some stones against Shaitan!

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 29 May 2013 20:41

exactiprecisely. who brought upon this on themselves?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 29 May 2013 22:44

vivek.rao wrote:Look how Mainos put Raman Singh in defense.

Just wait until the election... PAPPU will go and claim BJP worked with Naxals ti kill CON men.

This strategy is better than doing nothing.

The best way BJP can fight it out is arrest few poodles of Ajit Jogi and make them confess that Ajit Jogi has asked them to reveal all the plans to Naxals so that all his competition in the state is gone. Is BJP that smart? Keep raising suspicions and keep raising questions about Ajit Jogi. Offense is the best form defense. Unfortunately, no one BJP has learned this from Modi.

This is post Karnataka strategies. In Karnataka they successfully established in people's mind they will win in next elections also. Looks like they want to encircle BJP and limit it to GUJ-MH-MP-Raj states (may be to 100 seats).

They still need a few more states to confuse voters and here they want to establish that people are angry with BJP in handling Naxals so they vote for Congress. Perfect theory for EVM magic.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 29 May 2013 23:25

Guys,

You are all giving way too much credit to the congress and that too in chattisgarh. Raman Singh is as shrewd as Modi if not more. If the congress think that they can win in Chattisgarh with this Naxal issue, they are as foolish as you can get. I dont think it is a congi job (this attack).

Raman Singh is playing cool and rightly so. He must be saying to himself: Let these fools shout at the top of their voice, this issue will die down in 1 month (and moreover, it is good for me because people here know that congis are hands in glove with naxals and they trust bjp completely on that issue). And this is an issue in bastar and adjacent districts, not in other areas. In bastar in those areas, they bloody lost all their leaders and if they think Jogi can win them an election, god help them.

Kamal_raj · Post by **Kamal_raj** » 30 May 2013 01:03

The difference in vote share is just about 2% between BJP and Cong in Chattisghar it can be anybody's game!