After the amriki departure, the pakis stole, bought, "borrowed" many thousands of amriki "abandoned" military vehicles from the afghan jihadis and drove them to pukestan in convoy after never ending convoy.
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Precisely the sore point, Chetak sir.
The bious bakis believe it was/is their entitlement via divine decree to be gifted the items rather than having to buy or steal them.
Likewise they have always been sore with their cousins, the Britshits, for not handing the whole of Hindustan to them (the rightful descendants of the Mughals) when they departed the land in 1947.
Manish ji,
the jihadis are as delusional today as they ever were, especially in 1947
and these jihadis actually thought that the Marathas would simply have kept quiet, as indeed the rest of India would, while the puncherwallahs dusted off their pagris and tarboushs, fired up their opium filled hookahs, while gumming their way through mounds of galouti kebabs
and the taxes that they would have dreamt of levying on the kaffirs would have easily been north of 80%, to support them in the style that their unwashed ancestors would have become accustomed to, before the Maratha hordes descended on them
Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 07 Sep 2023 14:58
by Manish_P
chetak wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023 14:01
the jihadis are as delusional today as they ever were, especially in 1947
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Absolutely Chetak ji.
In fact, i would say (though i might be wrong) they are much more delusional now than they were in the 1940s era
Because at that time at least they had to live amongst kufrs, the education was non-islamic, they had not defeated 2 super powahs..... so there was some tempering of their delusions
Later on their route to becoming a 'pure' Islamic society they kept getting more inbred and insular and only listened to their echo chambers (magnified by loudspeakers & loudmouths from their military, media, madarssas and mosques).
chetak wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023 14:01
the jihadis are as delusional today as they ever were, especially in 1947
...
Absolutely Chetak ji.
In fact, i would say (though i might be wrong) they are much more delusional now than they were in the 1940s era
Because at that time at least they had to live amongst kufrs, the education was non-islamic, they had not defeated 2 super powahs..... so there was some tempering of their delusions
Later on their route to becoming a 'pure' Islamic society they kept getting more inbred and insular and only listened to their echo chambers (magnified by loudspeakers & loudmouths from their military, media, madarssas and mosques).
Manish ji,
Recall, if you will, what happened to the last mughal "king" bahadur shah zafar after the revolt of 1857
कितना है बद-नसीब 'ज़फ़र' दफ़्न के लिए. दो गज़ ज़मीन भी न मिली कू-ए-यार में |
and in 1947, they wanted the britshits to "hand" them back their "kingdom"
In Rangoon itself, where the britshits had exiled "king" bahadur shah zafar, along with his family, zafar himself had written-
'...how unlucky is 'zafar' to be buried, even two yards of land was not found in Ku-e-Yaar...'.
What a painful truth it was... According to historian Harbans Mukhia, ' "king" bahadur shah zafar ' wanted to be buried in mehrauli, delhi.
are we to believe that this is the "king" and his lost "kingdom" that these jihadis were and still are pining for.
Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 07 Sep 2023 20:56
by Manish_P
chetak wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023 16:04
and in 1947, they wanted the britshits to "hand" them back their "kingdom"
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are we to believe that this is the "king" and his lost "kingdom" that these jihadis were and still are pining for.
Shahenshahs, Sultans are all incidental. They come and go - plundering, ravaging, killing populations and each other. What ultimately matters is the land. That Dar al-harb become Dar al-Islam.
chetak wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023 16:04
and in 1947, they wanted the britshits to "hand" them back their "kingdom"
...
are we to believe that this is the "king" and his lost "kingdom" that these jihadis were and still are pining for.
Shahenshahs, Sultans are all incidental. They come and go - plundering, ravaging, killing populations and each other. What ultimately matters is the land. That Dar al-harb become Dar al-Islam.
Manish ji,
I get your point and see where you are coming from
I know that the jihadis were very upset that the britshits did not hand over India to them when they departed, the jihadis saw it as their right to succeed to the throne of India (believing in a delusional sovereign to sovereign basis transfer of ruler's rights) which the britshit king vacated and departed...
Starting from this baseline, they aspired, in the post partition scenario, to be handed back a "kingdom" that they largely had lost to the Marathas well before the britshits came into the picture
today, we are in the land of the Dar al-Murg ( for those who partake)
Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 07 Sep 2023 22:21
by Manish_P
chetak wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023 21:47
..
today, we are in the land of the Dar al-Murg ( for those who partake)
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I do hope that word is added to the BRF dictionary
This YT examines the real reason Pukis are expelling Afghans. Also it explores these Qs:
1. Why Pakistan is driving Afghans out? Why isn't India doing the same thing to illegals?
2. Strikes on places like Mianwali - are these dealing a significant blow to Pak Defence?
Col Ajay Raina (R) in PGurus explains:
// some notes;
// The current Army is using the weak position of Pak and its politicos to drive away the Afghans. Their entire strategic depth in Afghanistan is in shambles. Poppy cultivation is decimated, no more aid from US to drive the Rus out of Afghan. Both Taliban and TTP are ISI creations. Puks are facing heavy economic downturn. All the talk on bhai-bhai muslim unity is out of the window. The US has decided to support ISI/Army just to be thorn in India and as hedge against Rus.
Pukes west of the Indus river are Baloch, Afghans and Sindhs - all headaches for PakJabis who live east of the Indus river. The Balochs are tribal and those in Iran are Sunnis (in heartland of Shia territory). All the locations (strikes, killing, aircraft burning) in the news lately are West of the Indus. If ever a split can happen in Pak then west of Indus is bye-bye for the PakJabis and in the north the Afghans are ready to dishonor the Durand line.
What can India do? India is already providing the Afghans with food via Iran, some infra construction help. Many Afghans who are wealthy and important but biding their time because of Taliban, are parked in Delhi with their families. So relationship, understanding, India interest are all being groomed. But there many powers jostling in Afghanistan for their interest, viz., China, US and even Rus. Pakis have the advantage of a) creating taliban and ttp b) dealing with Afghans on their soil and c) of course the Ummah factor.
Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 14 Nov 2023 08:17
by ramana
I wish these bokwas experts shut up on things they Dont know.
Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 14 Nov 2023 08:18
by ramana
S Sridhar please note.
#CentralAsia #SaurRevolution
Afghan "prince" who would be tribal president
By Simon Denyer | March 6, 2009 5:50 PM
KABUL (Reuters) - With a grand sweep of his arm, the great-grandson of Afghanistan’s “Iron Amir” says he is the answer to American prayers, the man who can mobilise the country’s tribes to throw out the Taliban and al Qaeda.
“Why are you defending us against our enemies? Has anyone bothered to ask our Afghans if they want to defend themselves?” said Prince Abdul Ali Seraj, the colourful president of the National Council for Dialogue with Tribes of Afghanistan.
“I am the tribes,” says the descendent of Abdul Rahman, the charming, shrewd but brutal ruler who united the country at the end of the 19th century. “Why don’t you come and ask me if I am willing to defend my country against the Taliban and al Qaeda?”
“If I say no, no, no, if I hide behind my wife’s skirts, then you have every right to go and defend me. But I want to defend myself. Just as we dealt with the communists, just as we dealt with the people who came to Afghanistan over the centuries, we will deal with these people.”
Seraj, who has thrown his hat into the ring to become the country’s next president, says U.S.-led forces have ignored Afghanistan’s tribes for the past seven years, mistakenly placing their trust in warlords and politicians.
Instead of sending in more American troops, as President Barack Obama has promised to do, he wants to see the tribes enlisted and armed, to throw out the Taliban and close the porous border with Pakistan where many of the militants shelter.
Instead of viewing all of Afghanistan’s ethnic Pashtuns as Talibs, of giving them the impression the Americans and British want to kill them, the people should be harnessed to the fight.
“If I get my people activated, we will put up a chain that not even one fly will get across the border, not one ounce of drugs will come the other way,” said Seraj, who is in his 60s.
It sounds appealingly easy, but Afghanistan’s ancient tribal structure has been badly undermined, first by Soviet rule, then by warlords, by the Taliban, by political patronage and corruption, and by billions of dollars of drugs money.
Revitalising the tribes will not be easy, and critics say a tribal security force, already being piloted in one province, will just put more guns in the hands of more Afghans.
Seraj looks like an outside bet for the presidency, but he does have influence and may have more of a say in the future of this country than most.
“BRINGING BACK HISTORY”
His house is filled with old photographs of his ancestors, the Barakzai dynasty who ruled Afghanistan from 1818 to 1973. His is an appeal not just to the tribes, but to the ancient past, to what ethnic Pashtun’s call “our dearest kings”.
One by one, he lays business cards on the table of his house, and counts off his ancestors who ruled the nation. “This is Dost Mohammed... this is Abdul Rahman, this is Habibullah, this is Amanullah.... this is Zahir Shah, this is Daoud.”
Then, with a dismissive twist of his wrist, other cards are scattered on the table and the floor. “This is Karzai, this is Ashraf Ghani, that is Jalali,” he scornfully says, dismissing the current president and his rival challengers in the August poll.
“This is 300 years of history that is standing behind you.” he says. “We are bringing the history back to Afghanistan.”
Seraj may be eccentric, but he has a vivid sense of theatre.
When tribal leaders pay him a visit, he sends them away not with money to buy their loyalty, but with a ziplock bag of dirt.
“This is Afghanistan,” he says. “In this dirt is the blood of our people and our forefathers.” Any time you are tempted to betray the nation, take out a piece of dirt and wipe it across your forehead, he urges. “That is your mother.”
But what of the darker side of his great-grandfather’s rule, of the way he effectively made slaves of the entire Hazara people of central Afghanistan as he crushed their independence bid, of the way he converted entire provinces to Islam by the sword?
Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 14 Nov 2023 08:20
by ramana
“To some historians he is called a tyrant, to other people he is a hero,” he said. “But what did Abdul Rahman give us? He united Afghanistan under one king and one flag.”
Seraj ran a string of businesses in Kabul in the 1960s and 1970s, including the country’s first nightclub.
But when he heard he was on a list of 10 people to be executed after the communist coup in 1978, he fled -- disguised as a hippie, on a bus full of hashish-smoking Australians and Brits.
His American wife and child were at the front of the bus, the long-haired Seraj was at the back. The hippies gave him a guitar. which he could not even play. “When we start playing, you start playing,” they told him.
“Whenever they stopped us at checkpoints and the communist soldiers would get on board, the hippies would light up their hashish pipes. They are strumming their guitars, I am strumming the guitar, and the soldiers would just look at each other and say ‘ah these hippies’”.
He made it to the United States, set himself up in business again, and returned to Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban.
It seems like the children of AlQaeda are still there in Afghanistan, even while having splintered into multiple factions.
ISIS-K seem to be the strongest faction among them.
Jihad seems to have created an immigration problem. Taliban are now ruing having imported all these foreign jihadis, who are now causing them no end of trouble.
Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016
Posted: 31 Dec 2023 03:59
by bala
This is an interesting discussion with Tahir Gora (in Canada) who characterizes the Pukes properly. He has a book with cover picture of Dimran and Army Chief in Arab attire arguing with each other. The book is translated into Urdu. He says that the average Puki has inbuilt hatred against India, Afghanistan, even Iran. The average Puki has contempt for the bengali (BDs) and uses derogatory terms. Also on a personal level, he was born in Pukiland, his daughter was involved in a Paki man, but he forbade her to get involved, stating she is better of marrying a dog rather than a Puki. He says that the society is sick, their minds are corrupted even though they may be educated with college degrees. They think they are Arabs and try to behave more arab than arabs (mata) whereas the arabs treat them like dirt. In terms of breakup, he believes that the army of pukis is very strong to put down any rebellions, except for the balochi resistance (they are more organized than others). If ever a break happens could be balochistan. He claims it will be good if Pukiland were to break up to get away from the downward slide happening, a breakup will free people from the chokehold of the army of Pukes. The chinese are eating away the innards of Pukland.
Tahir Gora • Why do Afghans hate Pakistan? • Hope or Despair in Pakistan? • Lt Gen Ravi Shankar (R)
Fight grows between Taliban chief and powerful Haqqani network, Qatar delegation
excerpts
A power struggle is reportedly on the rise within the ranks of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban as key figures loyal to Taliban chief Hibatullah Akhundzada are trying to thwart attempts by the powerful Haqqani network to increase its influence in the war-torn nation. The infighting among Taliban factions was on display on Tuesday when a 14-member delegation was prevented from heading to Qatar for the Afghanistan Future Thought Forum, and forcibly disembarked from the plane.
Citing sources, Amu TV reported that the Taliban forced some members of the delegation to disembark from a FlyDubai aircraft, while others, who were scheduled to board an Air Arabia flight, were prevented from boarding. The group was travelling to attend a meeting of the Afghanistan Future Thought Forum in Doha, Qatar, as per the report.
According to the report, the Afghan delegation also consisted of two women, which reportedly was one of the key factors that prompted the ruling Taliban to prevent the group from travelling to Qatar. One major reason behind the move is the ongoing internal power struggle between the Haqqani network and figures loyal to Taliban Supreme Leader Hibatullah Akhundzada, the report said, citing sources.
Jafar Mahdawi was the only member of the delegation allowed to travel to Doha, while those barred from attending included aiz Mohammad Zaland, Aziz Ahmad Haneef, Nazar Mohammad Motmaeen, Injila Ahmadi, and Madina Mahbubi, it said.
According to the Amu TV report, Taliban forces, who recently took control of the Kabul International Airport, were allegedly the ones who prevented the 14-member delegation from travelling to Doha.
