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Karthik S wrote:Time for the kadi ninda govt to act, this is too high a number to ignore. All the talks about "oh these are our people and our weapons are meant for our enemies" will not work now.

Sachin wrote:

Karthik S wrote:Time for the kadi ninda govt to act, this is too high a number to ignore. All the talks about "oh these are our people and our weapons are meant for our enemies" will not work now.

Hope there is public pressure on Modi to ensure that a good response is given. Off course the "seculars" would claim that this is the biggest naxal attack, and such attacks have only increased when Modi came to power. But here if such claims can force GoI to take strong actions against the Naxals I would prefer hearing such comments. All said and done, I feel that Chattisgarh's state police is doing a very shoddy job. How are their intelligence gathering capabilities? In any state where Naxalism was a problem, and which was also ruthlessly put down the core work always was done by the state police and its CID wings. CRPF only supplied the additional man power.

Sachin wrote:

Karthik S wrote:Time for the kadi ninda govt to act, this is too high a number to ignore. All the talks about "oh these are our people and our weapons are meant for our enemies" will not work now.

Hope there is public pressure on Modi to ensure that a good response is given. Off course the "seculars" would claim that this is the biggest naxal attack, and such attacks have only increased when Modi came to power. But here if such claims can force GoI to take strong actions against the Naxals I would prefer hearing such comments. All said and done, I feel that Chattisgarh's state police is doing a very shoddy job. How are their intelligence gathering capabilities? In any state where Naxalism was a problem, and which was also ruthlessly put down the core work always was done by the state police and its CID wings. CRPF only supplied the additional man power.

tushar_m wrote:Best option is to use Drones + Attack choppers (LCH) to decimate naxals from Our country.

CRPF need some good equipment ASAP. They work in some of the most unpredictable environment.

Let them have a sqd. of htt40(gun+freefall bombs) & then see what they do to naxals.

tushar_m wrote:Best option is to use Drones + Attack choppers (LCH) to decimate naxals from Our country.

CRPF need some good equipment ASAP. They work in some of the most unpredictable environment.

Let them have a sqd. of htt40(gun+freefall bombs) & then see what they do to naxals.

Aditya_V wrote:Thats because they have their hand tied behind their backs, since they can't recruit locally, Maoists have blown most of the schools and SC orders have stated only 10th pass is essential. SO no Tribal can join Police force

sudeepj wrote:The forces are fighting a proper counter insurgency campaign against a heavily armed adversary that attacks en-masse.

Karthik S wrote:I feel it's high time we ask the military to deal with this naxalism. I don't see it any different from terrorism in that both get their inspiration from an ideology.

sudeepj wrote:None of us are experts.. if the solutions were as easy as 'recruit more locals', people whose lives depended on it would have already done it! Lets not be over smart and be disrespectful. Chattisgarh/Sukma has been the heart of the heart or naxal territory. Such casualties are to be expected as the door of the castle is kicked in.

rsingh wrote:

sudeepj wrote:None of us are experts.. if the solutions were as easy as 'recruit more locals', people whose lives depended on it would have already done it! Lets not be over smart and be disrespectful. Chattisgarh/Sukma has been the heart of the heart or naxal territory. Such casualties are to be expected as the door of the castle is kicked in.

That is language of defeated victim. Not good enough.

On THE NIGHT OF February 4th, two armed Maoist guerrillas abducted Suriyam Buccha from Merwahi village in Chhattisgarh’s Sukma district. The village is situated in a dense forest, about 18 km from Dornapal town. In the absence of a road, one can only reach there by foot or on a motorcycle. By the time Buccha’s wife and two children followed them to the forest, his abductors had killed him by cutting his chest open with sharp-edged weapons. As his wailing family looked on, the Maoists put an Improvised Explosive Device (IED) under his body. It was meant as a trap for police personnel who would come later to retrieve his body. But after much pleading by his family, the guerrillas relented and removed the bomb before disappearing deeper into the forest.

Buccha’s killing is not a lone case. In the past few months, Maoists have killed hundreds of civilians in their areas of influence along the entire Red corridor, especially in the Dandakaranya Special Zone Committee (DKSZC), of which Bastar division (now divided into seven districts, including Sukma) is a part. “Every day we come across such killings by Maoists in remote villages where no First Information Report (FIR) has been filed,” says Vivek Shukla, deputy superintendent of police in Sukma. Three days before killing Buccha, Maoists held hostage the entire villages of Burdikarka and Dhanikarka in the neighbouring Dantewada district and severely beat up dozens of villagers. People from these two and another village called Gadmiri had recently held a mass protest against Maoists. In a kangaroo court held by Maoists that night, a villager of Burdikarka called Samo Mandwi was pulled out and killed. Mandwi had, a few days earlier, taken part in a police recruitment programme. On March 5th, Maoists killed Kalmu Podiya in Sukma’s Rabripara village on charges of being a police informer. On March 3rd, they slit the throat of a young man called Mahender in Dhurawas village on similar charges.

The killings are seen as a sign of desperation as the Indian state pushes deep into the Maoist heartland, pressing thousands of security forces, who are for the first time now entering villages that have remained cut off for decades. In the entire Bastar division, roads and mobile networks are being built on a war footing. In areas where the Maoist writ has run large for at least three decades, road construction is going on in full swing, even at night, under a heavy security cover. In the past, construction companies were reluctant to bid for work due to the fear of a Maoist backlash. But now, in Chhattisgarh at least, no tender for road construction has gone unfulfilled.

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THE MAOISTS ENTERED Bastar for the first time in June 1980. The newly founded CPI-ML (People’s War)—which later merged with another Maoist group in 2004 to become the CPI (Maoist)—led by its Andhra-based leader, Kondapalli Seetharamaiah, formed seven squads to create a rear base where safe guerrilla zones could be created. Four of these pitched camp in areas that are now in Telangana: Khammam, Karimnagar, Warangal and Adilabad. Three other squads went across the Godavari river, one of them to Gadchiroli in Maharashtra, while two of them went to Bastar (then a part of Madhya Pradesh). ... By the early 2000s, Maoists had turned the entire Bastar division into a guerrilla zone.

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In response to Judum, in 2005 Maoists uprooted electric poles and destroyed transformers wherever they existed in their strongholds. “Imagine, I had almost 24-hour access to electricity in Chintalnar in 1986. More than 30 years later, I have to have my dinner under a solar lantern,” says a villager. In response to Judum, Maoists uprooted electric poles and destroyed transformers wherever they existed in their strongholds. “Imagine, I had almost 24-hour access to electricity in Chintalnar in 1986. More than 30 years later, I have to have my dinner under a solar lantern,” says a villager. It is in 2005 that Jagargunda was cut off as well. The Maoists demolished all government buildings in Jagargunda and damaged the Mallevaju Bridge on the Dornapal-Jagargunda road, cutting off access. From Chintalnar onwards, in the absence of any security personnel, Maoist guerrillas would come out unhindered and operate freely. But now with the road construction, the axis of control has changed. The Maoists have retreated from the road.

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sudeepj wrote:

rsingh wrote:
That is language of defeated victim. Not good enough.

Right.. people whose only experience of a tactical situation is the nukkad luka-chipi coming up with harebrained "ideas" for people who are actually experts, and whose lives actually depend on their tactics.. that is what victors should do. Carry on.

sudeepj wrote:The most recent violence has not happened in a vaccum. There are moves and counter moves going on, and the avg. newbie here should read about the strategic moves before engaging in useless anger. Its as if in WW II, the news of 2000 allied casualties came in, and we go into mourning without knowing the context that D-Day has just happened and the allies have invaded Europe.

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... or-maoists

On THE NIGHT OF February 4th, two armed Maoist guerrillas abducted Suriyam Buccha from Merwahi village in Chhattisgarh’s Sukma district. The village is situated in a dense forest, about 18 km from Dornapal town. In the absence of a road, one can only reach there by foot or on a motorcycle. By the time Buccha’s wife and two children followed them to the forest, his abductors had killed him by cutting his chest open with sharp-edged weapons. As his wailing family looked on, the Maoists put an Improvised Explosive Device (IED) under his body. It was meant as a trap for police personnel who would come later to retrieve his body. But after much pleading by his family, the guerrillas relented and removed the bomb before disappearing deeper into the forest.

Buccha’s killing is not a lone case. In the past few months, Maoists have killed hundreds of civilians in their areas of influence along the entire Red corridor, especially in the Dandakaranya Special Zone Committee (DKSZC), of which Bastar division (now divided into seven districts, including Sukma) is a part. “Every day we come across such killings by Maoists in remote villages where no First Information Report (FIR) has been filed,” says Vivek Shukla, deputy superintendent of police in Sukma. Three days before killing Buccha, Maoists held hostage the entire villages of Burdikarka and Dhanikarka in the neighbouring Dantewada district and severely beat up dozens of villagers. People from these two and another village called Gadmiri had recently held a mass protest against Maoists. In a kangaroo court held by Maoists that night, a villager of Burdikarka called Samo Mandwi was pulled out and killed. Mandwi had, a few days earlier, taken part in a police recruitment programme. On March 5th, Maoists killed Kalmu Podiya in Sukma’s Rabripara village on charges of being a police informer. On March 3rd, they slit the throat of a young man called Mahender in Dhurawas village on similar charges.

The killings are seen as a sign of desperation as the Indian state pushes deep into the Maoist heartland, pressing thousands of security forces, who are for the first time now entering villages that have remained cut off for decades. In the entire Bastar division, roads and mobile networks are being built on a war footing. In areas where the Maoist writ has run large for at least three decades, road construction is going on in full swing, even at night, under a heavy security cover. In the past, construction companies were reluctant to bid for work due to the fear of a Maoist backlash. But now, in Chhattisgarh at least, no tender for road construction has gone unfulfilled.

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THE MAOISTS ENTERED Bastar for the first time in June 1980. The newly founded CPI-ML (People’s War)—which later merged with another Maoist group in 2004 to become the CPI (Maoist)—led by its Andhra-based leader, Kondapalli Seetharamaiah, formed seven squads to create a rear base where safe guerrilla zones could be created. Four of these pitched camp in areas that are now in Telangana: Khammam, Karimnagar, Warangal and Adilabad. Three other squads went across the Godavari river, one of them to Gadchiroli in Maharashtra, while two of them went to Bastar (then a part of Madhya Pradesh). ... By the early 2000s, Maoists had turned the entire Bastar division into a guerrilla zone.

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In response to Judum, in 2005 Maoists uprooted electric poles and destroyed transformers wherever they existed in their strongholds. “Imagine, I had almost 24-hour access to electricity in Chintalnar in 1986. More than 30 years later, I have to have my dinner under a solar lantern,” says a villager. In response to Judum, Maoists uprooted electric poles and destroyed transformers wherever they existed in their strongholds. “Imagine, I had almost 24-hour access to electricity in Chintalnar in 1986. More than 30 years later, I have to have my dinner under a solar lantern,” says a villager. It is in 2005 that Jagargunda was cut off as well. The Maoists demolished all government buildings in Jagargunda and damaged the Mallevaju Bridge on the Dornapal-Jagargunda road, cutting off access. From Chintalnar onwards, in the absence of any security personnel, Maoist guerrillas would come out unhindered and operate freely. But now with the road construction, the axis of control has changed. The Maoists have retreated from the road.

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Instead of disrespecting CRPF soldiers by coming up with harebrained stupidity "..If I were him, I would have bought a drone.." assuming that you are the only smart one around do something useful. Such as engaging the supporters of Naxalism on social media with facts and figures.

ramana wrote:sudeepj are you on Twitter?

Exactly being done even of the RW loudmouths too.

Maoists kill 25 jawans
Our Special Correspondent

A handout photo shows wounded security personnel being treated in an army helicopter en route to a hospital after the attack in Sukma, Chhattisgarh. (AFP/The defence ministry)

April 24: At least 25 CRPF troops were killed in the middle of a meal this noon in Chhattisgarh's Sukma in a belt known as "the Maoist Tora Bora", a reference to the Taliban hideout in Afghanistan.

The whereabouts of seven other jawans were not known till tonight.

A part of the 74 battalion of the paramilitary force, which came under attack around 12.30pm, was entrusted with the task of protecting workers building a crucial road.

Once completed, the road linking Sukma town to Jagargunda, a distance of over 100km, is expected to play a key role in helping the security forces break the rebel domination over the territory.

Among the 25 confirmed casualties is Inspector Rabhubir Singh. Three of the dead hailed from Bengal: sub-inspector Krishna Kumar Das and constable Binoy Chandra Barman from Cooch Behar and constable Arup Karmakar from Nadia.

"Over 300 armed Maoists attacked us. We tried to retaliate but they snatched our arms, ammunition and wireless sets. We fired at them and I saw three-four Maoists succumbing to injuries on the spot," CRPF jawan Sher Mohammad told local media.

The encounter took place at Kala Pathar near Chintagufa at Sukma, 400km from state capital Raipur.

The gun battle is said to have lasted about an hour. Mohammad, who suffered injuries, alleged that the Maoists had first sent villagers sympathetic to them to pinpoint the location of the paramilitary troops.

Some jawans were reportedly making instant noodles and some others were cooking rice when the attack began, sources said.

But Bastar inspector-general Vivekanand Sinha said, quoting preliminary reports, that the Maoists had ambushed a patrolling party of the CRPF near Burkapal village. Around 90 CRPF jawans were on duty to sanitise the road that is being built in the area when the Maoists, divided into multiple groups, attacked the CRPF party.

As many as 90,000 personnel of the CRPF are now deployed in the Maoist strongholds in Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Andhra Pradesh.

This is the second attack in two months in the same region. Twelve CRPF personnel were killed on March 11 when Maoists had ambushed a CRPF patrol and looted their arms in Sukma.

A beleaguered Chhattisgarh chief minister, Raman Singh, called off his visit to Delhi and chaired a high-level meeting to take stock of the situation. In political circles, there is speculation that Singh may soon be given a gubernatorial assignment in the wake of the Chhattisgarh government's repeated failure to check the frequent Maoists attacks.

President Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Union home minister Rajnath Singh condemned the attack. In a tweet, Modi termed the attack "cowardly" and "deplorable".

"The sacrifice of the martyrs will not go in vain. Condolences to their families," the Prime Minister tweeted.

Rajnath said minister of state for home Hansraj Ahir was heading to Raipur to supervise relief and rescue operations.

rkhanna wrote:Lets not blame the CRPF for this. the situation on the ground is a whole lot of grey.

Let me give you an example. A cousin of mine recently finished shooting a movie deep in the middle of Naxal/Left Terror Territory in Chhattisgarh.

To get permission to shoot a CRPF company was deployed for "protection". The permission came after a Joint meeting with CRPF Commander, Local Politican Leader, Local Police Head and 2 Leaders of 2 different faction of Naxal Rebels all in attendence.

Through the 40 day shoot the CRPF troops were shit scared throughout enforcing pack-up of sheet by 5pm each day. Why? Because at any moment one of the Naxal leaders could change their mind. OR a third naxal faction looking to earn a name could become defiant. Or the Villagers could just be bored. etc etc. ALL villagers worked formally or informally with the Naxals.

The NAXALs btw run things there. in 40 days over 100+kms of road was made while my cousin and his crew were shooting. The local cops said only possible if the naxals allow (and they take a BIG cut). Center/State Govt really dont have a say in this because well all Local Politicians are also hand and fist in it.

CRPF btw gets most likely caught in the politics and power struggles between Rebels + Different Rebel factions, Politicans and Local Cops. and as such are ALWAYS sitting ducks. One day a village that is friendly to them due to deals cut or previous understanding could sell them out and they are not prepared. They have ZERO autonomy to act or plan ops without interference.

BTW some of India's biggest Yellow Cake mines run through naxal territories. I dont even want to tell you what happens there.

rkhanna wrote:{I have a question - are the villagers working for monetary benefits or is it ideological? Former would be easier to wean away. Plus what does indeed happen at these mines?}

IMO - neither . its just their way of life. Most have family members with the rebels, alot of the older ones have been ex rebels themselves so are partial to them. The rebels inturn protect the villagers from other rebel factions / Police harassment / etc etc. The Rebels control the economy of the local areas so there is a co -dependence.

There is not much of Ideology left its business.