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BJP wanted SS to make a play for the unholy alliance. This is as clear as it can be.Nov 11, 2019 9:15 pm (IST)
BJP sources say they are still waiting and watching and it is not over yet as people of Maharashtra will see "who works in their interest and who is only power hungry".
Surely, if SS can get some written assurances of support from NCP-CON, the governor is bound to accept it? Same case with BJP, if they get back SS support and can stake claim? This isn't a solid deadline...chetak wrote:SS couldn't make it in time to meet the governor's deadline. They did not have support letters from either the NCP or the congress.
they have been booted out of the race.
SS negotiating power with BJP has been destroyed by luring it make a play for the unholy alliance. BJP played the SS. Check my last post.Rsatchi wrote:Will BJP/NCP ultimately form the government
Without SS NCP/CONg can’t form the government
SS now feel aggrieved and may not support the NCP
The offer is with NCP now. The choice with SS is to go with NCP or not. After that CON will be asked and then President's rule. All done nicely and process followed to the dot. BJP is walking the state towards Presidents rule.greatde wrote:Surely, if SS can get some written assurances of support from NCP-CON, the governor is bound to accept it? Same case with BJP, if they get back SS support and can stake claim? This isn't a solid deadline...chetak wrote:SS couldn't make it in time to meet the governor's deadline. They did not have support letters from either the NCP or the congress.
they have been booted out of the race.
The BJP has also been forever absolved of any obligation of seat sharing with the SS for any election henceforth.pankajs wrote:https://www.news18.com/news/politics/ma ... 81397.htmlBJP wanted SS to make a play for the unholy alliance. This is as clear as it can be.Nov 11, 2019 9:15 pm (IST)
BJP sources say they are still waiting and watching and it is not over yet as people of Maharashtra will see "who works in their interest and who is only power hungry".
Now IF SS does decide to back-off from the unholy alliance, its negotiating power with the BJP would have been destroyed with just this one maneuver.
Yes that’s true in a waypankajs wrote:SS negotiating power with BJP has been destroyed by luring it make a play for the unholy alliance. BJP played the SS. Check my last post.Rsatchi wrote:Will BJP/NCP ultimately form the government
Without SS NCP/CONg can’t form the government
SS now feel aggrieved and may not support the NCP
Either SS becomes the doormat for NCP or the doormat for BJP. That is exactly the choice it has been left with. Apologies for the strong word.
This is what killed them i.e. ego. UT expected a vizit by AS to hammer out an agreement on HIS terms. Guess what, AS decided to poke his ego and kept off. Thus incited, SS walked into a carefully arraigned trap by the BJP/NCP.chetak wrote:The BJP has also been forever absolved of any obligation of seat sharing with the SS for any election henceforth.
the son and the grandson have not inherited any political smarts from the grandfather.
No more meetings ever in matoshri.
beggars cannot be choosers, they can only be loosers
the SS guys will soon start to desert the party and try to find a home in the BJP.ArjunPandit wrote:IMHO, shiv sena would be best served by shutting their mouth for next few years and coming back to BJP on BJPs terms. Perhaps focus on construction of Ram mandir and raise heat on Kashi/Mathura to atone their sins.
With BJP they will float like iron hook on a wooden log. WIth congress they will sink like a iron hook attached to a steel chain. Hindutva vadi votes or not, the practicality of their histrionics will cost them. It was all their making and BJP by their silence brought them to the cliff. They're yet to jump from the cliff by end of this week (or earlier) it would be clear how self destructive they are
Wah Wah! what jugalbandi. . One can easily trace the downfall of SS from the time the results were in. They thought they could railroad BJP into making a substantial offer over and above what they deserved. AS set the ball rolling by pokeing the ego of UT. Rest is carefully laid out script. I thought SS, NCP and congress made a deal already. Some one took SS for a ride and now they are left with egg on their face. Seriously, they need some good political adviser.
chetak wrote:The NCP insisted that a "senior" SS leader should become the CM.
It's very possible that some guy with leg pain may have pitched himself as that senior SS leader to the NCP and "suggested" that he be named as the preferred senior leader to the SS leadership by pawarful people
the son was immediately replaced by the father as the CM candidate.
was raut then rauted.
here we gochetak wrote:the SS guys will soon start to desert the party and try to find a home in the BJP.ArjunPandit wrote:IMHO, shiv sena would be best served by shutting their mouth for next few years and coming back to BJP on BJPs terms. Perhaps focus on construction of Ram mandir and raise heat on Kashi/Mathura to atone their sins.
With BJP they will float like iron hook on a wooden log. WIth congress they will sink like a iron hook attached to a steel chain. Hindutva vadi votes or not, the practicality of their histrionics will cost them. It was all their making and BJP by their silence brought them to the cliff. They're yet to jump from the cliff by end of this week (or earlier) it would be clear how self destructive they are
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ramana saar,ramana wrote:chetak wrote:The NCP insisted that a "senior" SS leader should become the CM.
It's very possible that some guy with leg pain may have pitched himself as that senior SS leader to the NCP and "suggested" that he be named as the preferred senior leader to the SS leadership by pawarful people
the son was immediately replaced by the father as the CM candidate.
was raut then rauted.
Raut was routed!
I heard UT unloaded on him for the mess (miscalculation and intemperate language) and poor guy ended up in hospital.
To me looks like BJP+NCP+INC decided to sacrifice SS.
Now SS is left high and dry and its MLAs will defect to where ever power is there.
One dot to be remembered is Ahmed Patel talking to Nitin Gadkari last week and lost in the RJMB verdict.
Provide more security at Lilawati
I will again say this picture before going to hospital is self explanatory !
the word is that apart from the obligatory family functions, they are barely on talking terms.ArjunPandit wrote:^^it is quite logical..for ss guys to find home in BJP. there were talks initially. SS has been waiting to implode with the incompetent. I was always intrigued by the lack of airtime on RT ..who knows that might come out..he ticks many boxes...
But some do but not the full picture ..Vaibhav Purohit @purohitvaibhav
Amit Shah wanted to end NCP in Maharashtra Sharad Pawar finished BJP SS govt and alliance. #MaharashtraPoliticalCrisis
And thisNadeem Nusrath @NadeemNusrath1
And if @INCIndia supports Shiv Sena pawar and Shah will finish Cong not only in Mah but in UP and Bihar too ?
BJP+NCP plan to finish both SS and CON.Harinder Baweja @shammybaweja
Difficult to stomach that the @INCIndia may lend support to @ShivSena. Why have parties, ideologies, manifestos, leaders? If this, why not lend support to @BJP4India?
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#JustIn – Uddhav Thackeray has left Matoshree. He is likely to meet NCP chief Sharad Pawar.
THIS is what started it as I pointed out before.iMac_too @iMac_too
Hehe ... he was adamant Shah should meet him at Matoshri. Now himself goes to Fox's den
General stratehy has been to damage and absorb allies, encourage regional Congress offshoots to weaken Congress so Congress can't have power across the Nation. Unfortunately, regardless of how this play out, MH elections shows limits of BJP and Congress inroads back into what is Saffron belt (Raj, Guj, MP, CG, now MH).ArjunPandit wrote:so basically ahuti of SS as we know it of shiv sena for vadh of congress...
(let's not forget BTs role ..my inlaws can never thank SS enough for their help in '92 and the floods)
Many folks noted this strange behavior BUT it also proved their downfall. AS used UT's own ego against him and pushed him on the path to destruction.Chintamani @IamIconoclast
Tiger with tail between legs: Uddhav Thackeray who would expect even Modi and Amit Shah to come to Matoshree went to have lunch with Sharad Pawar at a 5 star hotel!! What next - agree to Islamic State in Maharashtra?
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Usko vote na dena!
A people's revolt is needed to sweep away the Goon Power Structure of Maharashtra. How are these guys any better than Haji Mastaan, Dawood Ibrahim, Jinnah and such other famed Maharastrians?Indian PM Narendra Modi’s governing party has suffered a big setback in western Maharashtra state after its longtime ally broke away and joined two other parties to form the new state government, AP reports. The Shiv Sena split with Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party on Monday and decided to form a coalition government with the BJP’s key opponents, the Congress party and National Congress Party. Modi’s party won the most seats in Maharashtra state elections last month and was expected to retain power in the state, home to India’s financial capital, Mumbai. After talks between the two allies failed, they parted ways, dealing the first major political blow to Modi’s party after it retained national power in a May general election.
what if the NCP still offers the CM's post to UT.pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/IamIconoclast/statu ... 5522369536Many folks noted this strange behavior BUT it also proved their downfall. AS used UT's own ego against him and pushed him on the path to destruction.Chintamani @IamIconoclast
Tiger with tail between legs: Uddhav Thackeray who would expect even Modi and Amit Shah to come to Matoshree went to have lunch with Sharad Pawar at a 5 star hotel!! What next - agree to Islamic State in Maharashtra?
another version goes that the BJP did it because they were able to get into the govt to access and read all the files and prepare a solid ground for the removal of art 370 and 35A and also to ferret and root out all the hidden from the public misuse of govt privilege, especially those profiting cashmeri politicos.CRamS wrote:One thing that irritates me and inarticulate loud-mouths pro-BJP spokesman like Geeta Bhat are unable to answer is this. All those who are laughing at BJP ask why is BJP hypocritical pointing to ideological difference between SS and Congoons + NCP, when BJP formed alliance with PDP "just to grab power'. This is total BS. BJP did not form alliance with PDP for 'grabbing power'. They did it because J&K is a sensitive state and were hoping to turn things around by moderating PDP. Unfortunately, the PDP traitors were dancing to ISI tunes, and BJP broke off alliance. Where is the comparison, I don't know.
Absolutely. It is not for power grab but to get a say n some control in the govt of a sensitive state.CRamS wrote:One thing that irritates me and inarticulate loud-mouths pro-BJP spokesman like Geeta Bhat are unable to answer is this. All those who are laughing at BJP ask why is BJP hypocritical pointing to ideological difference between SS and Congoons + NCP, when BJP formed alliance with PDP "just to grab power'. This is total BS. BJP did not form alliance with PDP for 'grabbing power'. They did it because J&K is a sensitive state and were hoping to turn things around by moderating PDP. Unfortunately, the PDP traitors were dancing to ISI tunes, and BJP broke off alliance. Where is the comparison, I don't know.
