Bharat Rakshak

CalvinH wrote:I think the whole debate about bpj's is taking focus away from the main issue that is plaguing the Indian police.

Avinash R wrote: After getting information that the terrorists were hiding in the area, Hemant Karkare, Additional Commissioner Of Police Ashok Kamte and Inspector Vijay Salaskar came in one vehicle towards Cama Hospital at a very low speed.

From behind the trees Mohammad Ajmal Amir Kasab and his associate fired at the police van. They just fired because it was a police vehicle and ended up killing the three senior police officers.

Avinash R wrote:

CalvinH wrote:PS: In Delhi encounter Inspector Sharma was not even wearing bpj when he was shot at.
And so were nearly all of the Crime branch folks that we saw pictures off.

Again he was there on a intel gathering mission rather than going in to shoot the terrorists. If they had known there were terrorist in that house they would have been better prepared.

CalvinH wrote:I am not doubting your statements here. But then your statements prove themselves that there were lot more to situation then simply lack of better bpj.

CalvinH wrote:Wrong. No one goes to a intel gathering mission leaving their kid in a hospital.

Behind the Batla House shootout
Praveen Swami
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2008/10/10/st ... 621100.htm

When inspector Mohan Chand Sharma walked through the door of the flat where he was to die, all he knew was that he was looking for a man with two missing front teeth. Soon after the Gujarat bombings, a Bharuch resident contacted the police to report that the vehicles used as car bombs in Ahmedabad had been parked by his tenant. Gujarat Crime Branch Deputy Commissioner Abhay Chudasma had little to go on, bar one small clue: the mobile phone used by the tenant to communicate with the landlord. It turned out that the phone went silent after the Ahmedabad bombings.

Based on the interrogation of suspects, Gujarat police investigators determined that the cell phone was one of the five used by the perpetrators between July 7 and 26 — the day of the serial bombings. They learned that the perpetrators had observed rigorous communication security procedures, calling these numbers only from public telephones. Between July 16 and July 22, the investigators learned, another of the five Gujarat phones had been used in the Jamia Nagar area. This phone had received just five calls, all from public phones at Jamia Nagar. Then, on July 24, the phone became active again in Ahmedabad.

The investigators also found evidence of a second link between the Ahmedabad bombings and the Jamia Nagar area. On July 19, the Bharuch cell phone received a call from Mumbai, made from an eastern Uttar Pradesh number — the sole break in the communication-security procedure. Immediately after this, a call was made from the eastern U.P. phone to a number at Jamia Nagar, registered to local resident Mohammad Atif Amin. The authorities mounted a discreet watch on his phone but decided not to question him in the hope that he would again be contacted by the perpetrators.

Mumbai police crime branch chief Rakesh Maria made the next breakthrough last month, when his investigators held Afzal Usmani, a long-standing lieutenant of ganglord-turned-jihadist Riyaz Bhatkal. From Usmani, the investigators learned that top commander ‘Bashir’ and his assault squad left Ahmedabad on July 26 for a safe house at Jamia Nagar. Armed with this information, the investigators came to believe that Atif Amin either provided Bashir shelter or the two were one and the same person. Inspector Sharma was asked to settle the issue.

‘Vodaphone salesman’

Sub-inspector Dharmindar Kumar was given the unhappy task of trudging up the stairs in the sweltering heat, searching for Bashir. Dressed in a tie and shirt, just like other members of Sharma’s team, Kumar pretended to be a salesman for Vodaphone. At the door of Amin’s flat, he heard noises — and called his boss.

According to head constable Balwant Rana, who was by Sharma’s side, the two men knocked on the front door, identifying themselves as police officers. There was no response. Then, the officers walked down an ‘L’ shaped corridor which led to a second door. This door was unlocked. Sharma and Rana, as they entered, were fired upon from the front of and to the right of the door. When the rest of the special team, armed only with small arms, went in to support Sharma and Rana, two terrorists ran out through the now-unguarded front door. Saif wisely locked himself up in a toilet.

CalvinH wrote:The fact is I have met and talked with these crime branch/ATS policemen. They are used to encounter type operation and think they are invincible. How do you think one guy has killed 38 of the bad guys without being hurt even once. How come "ab tak chappan" like people still exist. Believe me, they are used to those small fishes and not these determined type who are fully loaded and determined to kill and die.

CalvinH wrote:I remember the army casulaties started to climb higher when foreign mercenaries started to replace the local JKLF insurgentsin Kashmir. Better trained, better equipped, brainwashed for years and determined to die kind of people started to replace JKLF militants and it took army sometime to evolve a doctrine for them. Are we facing the same learning curve here with Indian police.

Avinash R wrote:Yes, but sadly each state police is learning from it's own experience and not from others

right now most of the police is overworked trying to provide security either to vip's, or the ganesh utsav

Avinash R wrote:

CalvinH wrote:I think the whole debate about bpj's is taking focus away from the main issue that is plaguing the Indian police.

Yes there is a need for changes in how police deal with crimes and that's the reason the malimath comittee was setup to suggest reforms in the criminal justice system by looking at the problems in totality.
The report can be downloaded from here.
Dr. Justice V.S. Malimath Report
It's less than 1 MB. I hope people interested in police and judicial reforms would go through it and particularly this one.
"7.9 Separation of investigation wing from law and order wing" on page no:100.

If this suggestion had been implemented by mah police they would be no reason for person like karkare involved in investigation of terrorist crimes to go and fight terrorists during the mumbai attack. crime investigation and crime fighting are specialized jobs and police personnel should not be called upon to do both the jobs at the same time which leads to less than optimum results, the mumbai attack is a case in point.

skher wrote:The present CIDs exist in bits and pieces-understaffed, ill-equipped and demoralized placed in various Part A states as dumping ground for good officers

Can the SC mandated reforms be implemented and enforced by the Central govt. on the states through a single central act,instead of waiting for them to do so?

UP and Mizoram are the only two states to have conducted the reforms. Not even Union Terrorities have done so.

The 3 senior officers were caught in the vehicle with nothing to defend themselves while terrorists were spraying their vehicles with bullets. all i am saying is if there was better bpj they wouldn't have been critically hurt in the upper body area. They would have a chance to survive if major organs like heart,lungs,liver were not damaged.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1218404

"All departments are equally corrupt. It is only that the police are more
visible," said Arvind Inamdar, former director general of police, referring
to the statistics released of the state Anti Corruption Bureau (ACB). The
police department has topped the list of most corrupt government departments
in 2008. The next in the line is revenue department followed by the
municipal corporation.

According to Inamdar, complaints against the police department are more
because the victim is harassed. "In other departments, the person giving the
bribe has something to gain so the case of corruption is not reported," said
Inamdar.

Former police commissioner MN Singh agrees. "If we compare the amount of
money involved in the case of a policeman to an official in any other
government department, we learn that the other departments are involved in
bigger deals with huge amount of bribe money involved. Police cases of
corruption are generally involving petty amount," said Singh, adding that
number of cases registered against the policemen is not the benchmark to
declare the department as the most corrupt. "Statistics cannot be the basis
of drawing any such conclusions," added Singh.

Additional superintendent of police, ACB, Sanjay Parande, said, "Police are
the ones who interact with the general public the most. Thus we keep getting
more complaints. However statistics is not the yardstick to state that a
particular department is more corrupt than the other."

Noted criminal lawyer Majeed Memon however feels that it is distressing that
among the most corrupt section of the society are our police. "This needs
urgent corrective steps by all concern," he added.

"Police authorities should take notice of the issue as the attitude of
policemen affects the public who come contact with them, said RTI activist
Milind Mulay who recently gave a written complaint to the deputy
commissioner of police against two policemen sleeping in the station house
while on duty. The police are now looking into the matter.

Inamdar, former director general of police

John Snow wrote:Note the name Inamdar,

Inamdar, former director general of police

Inam, meaning : Gift , Largesse, Reward for a favor

John Snow wrote:Note the name Inamdar,

Inamdar, former director general of police

Inam, meaning : Gift , Largesse, Reward for a favor

Sub-inspector rises to become CBI's Joint Director

New Delhi
History was made on Wednesday at CBI after one of its officer, who joined the agency as sub-inspector, was promoted as a Joint Director, the first such incident in the 67 years of its existence.
M Narayanan, who till Tuesday was DIG Special crimes Region (Delhi), was promoted as Joint Director in the Special Crime division.

Narayanan joined the agency 38 years ago as a Sub-Inspector after being inducted in the CBI cadre. He has worked in various capacities in CBI and was decorated with Police medal for Meritorious services in 1992 and President's Police medal for Distinguished Service in 1999.

Considered an ace detective, he has successfully solved high-profile cases like hijacking of Indian Airlines plane in 1999 to Kandahar (IC-814), assassination of former Army Chief Gen A S Vadiya, terrorism related cases in Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir and investigating the rape allegations against controversial self-claimed godman of Dera Sacha Sauda Gurmeet Ram Rahim.

“In the history of CBI, he is the only officer who could reach the level of Joint Director or Inspector General of Police from the rank of Sub-Inspector,” a colleague of Narayanan said.

sudeepj wrote: 2) They trained them in using different kinds of weapons. They were able to use their grenades with efficacy and were able to use a weapon snatched from an NSG team member.

Raja Bose wrote:Any sources which mention this 'weapons snatching' incident with NSG?

Raja Bose wrote:Tried to find the links mentioning this incident but didnt find any. If anybody has the link, please post. Thanks.

MP5s took NSG by surprise
Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:18 IST
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1210367

Commandos of the National Security Guard (NSG) were caught by surprise on Friday afternoon when they were fired at by an MP5 submachine gun. Till then, they were being fired at only by AK47s.

...But the mystery was solved when they realised that the terrorists had seized Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan's weapon after killing him.

NEW DELHI: The Delhi High Court has stayed criminal proceedings against a couple wondering how and why an "expression of love by a young married
couple" in this case allegedly by stealing kisses in public should attract the charge of obscenity.

Justice S Muralidhar stayed an FIR lodged against one Ajit (name changed) and his wife who were booked by the Dwarka police station cops for allegedly kissing each other under the local Metro station even as they awaited word from their lawyer in connection with registration of their marriage.

"The FIR doesn't make a case for offence under Section 294 (obscenity) read with 34 IPC. It is inconceivable how, even if one were to take what is stated in the FIR to be true, an expression of love by a young married couple would attract offence of obscenity and trigger the coercive process of law," observed Justice Muralidhar. The case has been posted for February 25 when the prosecution will have to report about the action taken on the complaint of police harassment lodged by the couple with the police commissioner.

The newly married duo was picked up by ASI Vidhyadhar Singh of Dwarka police station on September 4 last year after he claimed to have found them "sitting in an objectionable position near a Metro pillar and kissing each other due to which passersby were feeling bad." Even though Ajit told them they were married, the cop hauled them to the police station and arrested them. Later, both were granted bail from the police station itself.

HC was surprised how Singh disregarded the fact that the two were married and registered an FIR for obscenity. Moreover, neither in the FIR nor in the subsequent chargesheet did the police attest any statement of witnesses or 'passersby', leaving no doubt in the mind of the court that charges were cooked up.

Ajit alleged both to the police and the bar council that the lawyer who promised to get the marriage registered connived with Singh to extort money from him and his wife as they were unaware of the intricacies of law.

In his petition before HC seeking quashing of the FIR, Ajit mentioned how, while the couple was being 'interrogated' by the cops, his ATM card was misused to polish off Rs 20,000 from his bank account. He said the couple got married in first week of September last year at an Arya Samaj temple without the knowledge of their respective parents. Therefore, both continued to stay separately as they tried to get the marriage registered and sought services of a lawyer who, as it turns out, cheated them. The petition in fact denies that they were kissing each other and says they were just clicking self portraits on the mobile phone camera.

Arguing their case before HC, the lawyer brought out finer distinctions in the law on what constitutes obscenity. Speaking to Times City, the advocate explained, "Obscenity charges get attracted when the act is so obscene that it encourages depravity or annoys the public. In this case both these contents are missing because the chargesheet is silent on any passersby as originally claimed," he added.

NEW DELHI: In a shocking case of brutality by the Uttar Pradesh police, two police officials have been caught on camera brutally beating a
six-year-old girl in Etawah. (Watch )

The girl, accused of theft, was handed over to the police by residents of the area. The child was picked up by the UP police on allegations that she had stolen Rs 250 from a resident in the area. She was then mercilessly roughed up by the cops.

The video shows two policemen beating the girl by pulling her hair and ears. This brutality caught on tape has forced the authorities to sack the sub-inspector and suspend the inspector.

An investigation has also been ordered into the incident.

Raja Bose wrote:Just to think these kind of low lifes are associated by profession with the likes of Tukaram Ombale and Amba Rao Pawar

Sachin wrote:

Raja Bose wrote:Just to think these kind of low lifes are associated by profession with the likes of Tukaram Ombale and Amba Rao Pawar

This makes me think...
1. UP has this incident of the policemen thrashing a 6 year old child
2. Bihar had the incident in which was a robber caught stealing was tied behind a police motor bike and dragged along.

From a lay-man's point of view what is the level of crime solving/investigation skills in police forces of these states? Are they just mere thugs who happened to don the police uniform, or are they considered capable in dealing with crime in a legally prescribed manner. Mumbai Police for that matter (how much ever corrupt) is marked for its go-getter attitude and abilities in dealing with crime investigations etc.

Police men in a state are essentially people from that state itself, so naturally all the ill effects of the state (bad social life style, bad judiciary, bad government and politicians) will be applicable to the police force also. Guess such sad incidents can only be prevented if the entire state and its population decides to change for the better. Isolated changes in the police force may not help any one .

ramana wrote:Looks like Bihar and UP police are more into Zabardasti tradition of the Indian police.

Rampy wrote:you will realise that UP and Bihar cops can shown their power only on Last category and that's exactly what they did, just to tell people who is the boss and keep the small circle of influence intact

ramana wrote:Someone from UP told me Etawah is a real jungle badland. It has been like that from British times. All kinds of bad things happen there. Looks like Bihar and UP police are more into Zabardasti tradition of the Indian police.

Baljeet wrote:In Bihar, UP if you have muscle power, you are packing heat and have few pehlwan's with you as body guard, you automatically become "Muhallay ka dada".

UP cops shoot polio-affected man
6 Feb 2009, 0334 hrs IST, Faiz Rahman Siddiqui, TNN


KANPUR: The inhuman face of UP policemen again came to the fore when a 30-year-old polio-affected man was allegedly shot at and critically injured by two policemen on duty under the Sikandara police station in Kanpur Dehat.

Acting swiftly, the police registered an FIR in this regard and seized the weapons of both the cops for ballistic probe. According to reports, the incident took place when one Arun Kumar Mishra of Sadhuwa village in Mangalpur police station — about 50 km from here — was on his way back home along with two friends Ajeet Singh and Shri Krishna on a two-wheeler. They had gone to get the vehicle refuelled at a nearby petrol pump.

According to eye-witnesses, when the three reached Jagannathpur village turn, two police constables, who were on routine patrolling, signalled the motorcycle to stop. The youths got panicked and tried to speed away. “They were running away and both these cops were following them,” said a local villager, Ram Prakash. When he came out of his house hearing a gunshots, he saw Arun critically wounded and the two cops escaping from the scene.

Arun, who has polio in his left leg, was shot on left arm and left thigh. He was rushed to a nearby PHC from where he was later shifted to Madhuraj nursing home for treatment. “They just stopped us and opened fire. The only crime we were doing at that point of time was that we were tripling on our motorcycle,” he said.

Kanpur Dehat police chief Ram Krishna Swarnakar said that the two erring cops had been identified. “Both the cops, Anil Kumar and Rajesh Kumar Mishra have been detained and firearms seized. Anil was in possession of INSAS rifle and 25 catridges while the latter was in possession of a rifle and 20 cartridges,” he said. “Prima facie it appears that they have not used their firearms but we will only reach a final conclusion once we receive the ballistic report of both the firearms,” he added.

The police sources, however, also said that it could be a case of mistaken identity. They said the police party was on lookout for a notorious criminal, and mistook motorcycle-borne Arun and two others for gangsters. Arun’s distraught father Chandra Mohan, who was at the hospital, said that one of his son Virendra Mishra was posted with NSG unit in New Delhi. Angry villagers and residents demanded immediate police action against the erring cops.

LUCKNOW: Extortion by Lucknow police seems to be fast turning into a trend but the senior officials don't appear concerned to check the menace.
In the second consecutive incident in as many days, three policemen allegedly thrashed the driver of a city bus when he dared ask the trio to buy a ticket for their journey. The incident took place on Ashok Marg in Hazratganj on Monday morning.

On Sunday, cops from the Naka police station stormed the office of a travel agency and assaulted its 60-year-old owner when he refused to oblige them with a free taxi.

However, despite the incident being reported in the local media, none of the senior officers bothered to look into the issue, what to talk of action against the erring cops. Presumably, encouraged by the state of affairs, three men in khaki once again wreaked havoc on Monday morning and walked away. Till late in the evening, no action was initiated in connection with the assault on the bus driver.

Agitated over police high-handedness coupled with indifferent approach of the senior officials who were approached by the victim, drivers of nearly a dozen city buses blocked the traffic on Ashok Marg in Hazratganj during the office rush hours on Monday after parking their busses right in the middle of the road. Demanding action against the three policemen who had thrashed a city bus driver earlier the same morning, the bus drivers refused to budge till they were assured that proper and prompt action would be taken against the accused cops.

It was only on the intervention of the additional superintendent of police (ASP), city (east), Hrish Kumar that the drivers called off their agitation. If sources are to be believed, the city's public transport operators were planning an indefinite strike by Wednesday onwards in case the police failed to identify and nail the guilty policemen.

JAIPUR: Three men serving jail sentence were found roaming freely outside the Baran jail during a surprise check conducted by the district police on Monday. Police have also seized intoxicants and mobile phone numbers from the barracks of the undertrials.

After last year’s incident in which a hardcore criminal, Surendra Meena, had allegedly committed suicide inside the Baran jail, triggering protests by inmates, the district police was keeping a tight vigil. Irked inmates had then burnt the jail deputy superintendent’s office and pelted stones, besides ransacking the barracks. On Monday, SP, Baran, Om Prakash conducted a surprise check at the district jail and was shocked to find three convicts – Lekhraj, Ghanshyam and Abdul Hafeez -- outside the jail premises.

Lekhraj was convicted under NDPS Act, Ghanshyam was convicted under Section 302 of IPC (murder) and Abdul Hafeez under Section 304 B (dowry death), the SP said. The presence of these inmates outside the jail was a serious incident as all of them were serving a jail term of 10 years, he said.

He also said that the mobile numbers, which were seized from the barracks of undertrials, were being verified. “There is a possibility that the jail inmates were in contact with outside criminals via mobiles. We are trying to identify the users of these numbers,” he added. He also said that higher authorities have been informed about the lapses and action would be taken accordingly.

Nayak wrote:Prisoners found roaming outside jail

ramana wrote:The cops were at a nakabandi on look out of terrorists- three guys come on scooter- asked to stop- make a run for it- ergo one cop with rifle shoots-