Internal Security Watch

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 16 Sep 2008 19:13

Couple confess to circulating 10 mn fake notes
Lucknow | September 16, 2008

A couple arrested in Uttar Pradesh with fake Indian currency have admitted to circulating over 10 million fake notes in the state, the police said Tuesday.

Zaquir and Mamta Sahi were arrested Sunday from Bhalua village in Siddharthnagar district with Rs.575,000 in fake currency. Most currency in their possession were in the denomination of Rs.500 and Rs.1,000.

This is the second major fake currency haul after a racket surfaced in the State Bank of India branch in Domariyaganj in Siddharthnagar town following the arrest of its cashier Sudhakar Tripathi July 29.

Zaquir and Sahi revealed that they used to buy fake currency at half the value from a man in Bihar and circulate them in Uttar Pradesh, Siddharthnagar Superintendent of Police Anil Das told IANS.

The two are natives of Motihari in Bihar and were suspected to be working along with Tripathi and his partner Abid Sheikh.

The police said a police team would soon leave for Bihar. "Two of their associates, Surendra and Ramesh, managed to escape. We hope to arrest them soon," Das added.

satya · Post by **satya** » 16 Sep 2008 19:28

It would have been a self-goal for Congress , had they removed Patil .It would neither changed dramatically the internal security situation in India nor a moral high ground to Congress. Sticking out with Patil was essential so as not to allow like Lalu to gain leverage in coming general elections on seat sharing. In all probability Patil will remain a 'mukhota' Home Minister with real decision being taken elsewhere ( anyone's guess) and going by Tajinder Khanna ,Lt. Gov. of Delhi announcement for a master plan on Capital's security should tell us where's the direction of wind . In ideal situation , it would have been MHA announcing this sort of decision since its MHA tht controls DP with Lt. Gov. more on ceremonial role .

Making Arjun Singh as MHA would have been a bold decision in high stake poker game as it would have helped Congress politically , either he would have done things dramatically ( if his stint as Gov. Punjab to go by ) since he knows tht if he fails , there goes his son's chances of ever entering 10, Janpath . OTOH , he might have played Mulla Arjun Singh role and things could go worse and tht would have made sure for Rajmata to write his obituary . But one thing for sure , he would have been better than Patil who seems so much sensitive tht a girl will be ashamed in front of him & holier than pope attitude guy/girl ( not sure wht he really is going by his talk & walk ) .

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 16 Sep 2008 19:41

“Demands for the Home Minister’s resignation at a grave time is nothing but cheap politics by the Opposition party,”

</Sarc on>
Yes demand his resignation when Shivraj "useless" patil would have lost the election once again, Rajmata and co. are no longer in power and
each city in India would have been bombed to death, after that my dear friends,you show your class and ask for his resignation.
Till then let this greatest HM of India (he even beats Mufti syyed in incompetence) change his suits and give his statments.
</Sarc off>

Why could Kangress never come up with a decent competent HM after Sardar patel beats me ? What is it with them that they pick the most useless incompetent idiot to lord over the Home ministry.

harik · Post by **harik** » 16 Sep 2008 19:56

VikasRaina wrote:
“Demands for the Home Minister’s resignation at a grave time is nothing but cheap politics by the Opposition party,”
</Sarc on>
Yes demand his resignation when Shivraj "useless" patil would have lost the election once again, Rajmata and co. are no longer in power and
each city in India would have been bombed to death, after that my dear friends,you show your class and ask for his resignation.
Till then let this greatest HM of India (he even beats Mufti syyed in incompetence) change his suits and give his statments.
</Sarc off>

Why could Kangress never come up with a decent competent HM after Sardar patel beats me ? What is it with them that they pick the most useless incompetent idiot to lord over the Home ministry.

You are indeed a KP

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Sep 2008 20:48

Vikas in the heirarchy of things in Delhi, the Home Ministry is next to PMO in its wide range of powers. There is no subject that they are not dealing with. So usually a very capable and turstworthy person is appointed by PM or becasue its stepping stone to PM a very incompetent HM is appointed. The INC has chosen later course after dynasty politics have take primacy in the INC.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Sep 2008 22:34

One needs to read on those Fredrick Forsyth novels to understand the importance of the ministry of the interior. The venerable commnist dictators made sure they controlled this ministry through their most trustworthy flunkeys as the surveillence agencies comes under this ministry's purview. Rajmata is doing the same thing here. A blast would have to heppen in race course road before she appoints Pranabda to run this minstry.

Arjun Singh's fall started after PVN became PM.

Under IG and RG he held very imp portfolios like Defence, Home, Finance, and education of course. When KPS Gill was running he no holds barred anti terror campaign in Punjab with Beant Singh as CM, he was the governor of Punjab. If his health had not failed, he would be as important as Pranab mukherji in the cabinet. I am merely trying to give a background on this guy. Not defending him here.

GD: This is not for you.
BRFites are a product of the modern internet era and prone to form instant opinions reading articles written by third rate journos and watching TV shows. Most newspapers publish a section on news events that happened 50 years ago like the Hindu which published “This day that age”. read this section to understand even of that era and then try to relate these events to India of today. Suggest people spend as much time reading up on India Today or Sunday to develop a perspective on events in the 70s and 80s.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 16 Sep 2008 22:47

The irony not to miss is that, the recent cabinet meeting discussed both Karnataka and Delhi, come on, Karnataka where there is minor violence (minor vandalism) and Delhi where the group (externally inspired and controlled) killed over 30 people and injured 90 (and has been killing since few years). This reflects the importance of home ministry. Note most of the attendants were people of Karnataka, mainly from the costal area where violence took place. So what do you think would have been discussed in the meeting - Karnataka or Delhi blast? If there was a strong HM, he would not have even entertained discussing Karnataka.

thanks,
fanne

Ps - The event in Karnataka is as follows - 1. EJ and supporters start distributing leaflets that is disparaging to Hindu Gods to say the least (I mean to be secular, you have to abuse the Hindus, just saying that your faith is great is not enough). 2. Hindus being communal object to the literature and the discussion.3. Both sides gather a huge crowd and acrimony spreads. The secular EJ and the communal Hindus have a go at eah other. 4. The communal Hindus go and give dharna and pelt stones at the place from where the said literature came - This is shown in the news. The EJ also go and destroy some communal place of worship - This is only in local Kannada news not in National news. 5. The EJ declared that all the colleges controlled by it will be shut down - mainly to teach communal Hindus studying in them a lesson. NOW THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT than to discuss how Delhi blast happened and are there going to be more targets?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 16 Sep 2008 22:51

Well I guess Shivraj is the right person to head the ministry. He has already proclaimed that he has confidence of Rajmata. I missed the amendment to the constitution where it said that the minister had to have the confidence of the PM or parliament or the nation. I guess enjoying Rajmata confidence is good for being a PM or HM in India.
I hope the elections dont get postponed, maybe next time the MPs are not to be chosen by the people but they should only have the confidence of Rajmata, that should be enough. Just waiting for proclamation of emergency.
Thanks,
fanne

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 16 Sep 2008 23:25

Karnataka: Govt orders probe into flow of foreign funds

BANGALORE: Facing criticism for the recent spate of attacks on churches in Karnataka, the BJP government on Tuesday ordered a probe into the flow of foreign funds to some organisations saying that the money was being used for converting Hindus into Christianity.

"It has come to the knowledge of the state government that some organisations are using foreign funds, they are getting, for conversion of majority Hindus into Christianity," Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa charged and declared that such things would not be allowed.

"In the backdrop of reports about forcible conversions in parts of the state, which led to attacks on churches, the government has ordered a scrutiny of such accounts which receive foreign funds for conversion," he told reporters after chairing a high-level meeting to review the law and order situation in the troubled areas.

Attributing conversions as the main reason for Sunday's attack on churches and prayer halls in parts of two coastal districts and Malnad region's Chikmagalur, he said he had ordered an enquiry into the foreign funds that were being deployed for conversions.

Yeddyurappa charged the opposition Congress and JD(S) with attempting to destabilise his government and also rejected their demand for a judicial probe into the attack on churches.

He also rejected the opposition demand for his resignation and that of Home Minister Dr V S Acharya and shot back asking, "will the UPA government quit office because of terror strikes?"

Yeddyurappa said that the attacks had taken place in areas where there was conversion activity taking place and said stern action would be taken against those responsible.

Despite the mounting tension, Mangalore, the scene of violent protests remained calm on Tuesday and observed a bandh called by the Sri Ram Sena. Shops, business establishments and educational institutions remained closed, police said.

They said about 170 persons have been arrested in connection with the attacks on churches in Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.

As a precautionary measure, the authorities extended the prohibitory orders clamped in Mangalore till September 19. On Sunday, the ban order was imposed for three days.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 16 Sep 2008 23:27

Terrorism is no crime, it is an act of war - Arif Mohammed Khan

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 17 Sep 2008 00:16

from offstump -

WHY Shivraj Patil stays?

Originally appeared on 19th Sept 2007.

How Jobless is the Home Minister ?

apart from of course sponsoring IAF Junkets for his madam

Since Offstumped posted this piece some more findings. The MHA spent 25 crores in 2006-2007 on Civil Aviation all of it was unplanned expenditure, any one’s guess how much of the 25 crores was spent on IAF flights to ferret Sonia Gandhi to Congress meetings like the one in Chakur, Latur on October 30 2006. A similar amount was budgeted for 2007-2008.

Consider this Sonia Gandhi was in Srinagar to attend a women’s rally organized by the Congress Party. Unfortunately Sonia Gandhi was to also cut short her trip to rush New Delhi to meet Mexican President Felipe Calderon Hinojosa. How can Sonia do both, well fly the IAF. But there is a catch. She is not entitled to fly the IAF. So what does she do ?

In comes the gutless wonder and showpiece of a Home Minister, Mr. Shivraj Patil.

It looks like gutless wonder Shivraj Patil accompanied her to attend the women’s rally in Srinagar.

Now in yesterday’s post we examined the policy for Other Entitled Persons, OEP, the category to which Shivraj Patil belongs by virtue of being the Home Minister. Based on the OEP 3 questions arise

What official business was the Home Minister attending to at a congress party event in Srinagar

Why did he not use commercial air ?

Has the MHA paid the IAF the cost of flying Sonia Gandhi to a congress party rally in Srinagar ?

Most importantly if it was a Shivraj Patil sponsored IAF junket that Sonia hopped on why are all news reports calling it Sonia’s IAF flight and not the Home Minister’s IAF flight.

In fact so irrelevant was Shivraj Patil’s presence in Srinagar that there is no mention whatsoever in any of the media reports that the near miss mid-air had India’s Home Minister at risk. In fact Offstumped had to literally scrounge news reports to find out which OEP sponsored the Srinagar IAF Junket for Sonia Gandhi only to find Shivraj Patil’s name in the footnotes in some obscure news site.

In fact on Sept 10th the day Shivraj Patil accompanied Sonia to Srinagar there is virtually no soundbite, official release attributed to him for his “official” visit to Srinagar. Neither the Press Information Bureau nor the Ministry of Home Affairs had anything to say about his Srinagar visit. Mr. Patil could have as well been a zombie on this IAF junket to Srinagar and nobody would have missed him it appears.

So how jobless is the Home Minister that he abandons official duty in these testing times of internal security to flout policy and sponsor a IAF Junket so Sonia Gandhi can troop over to Srinagar for a Congress Party function while all this time the Home Minister is merely a mute spectator ?

This is not the first time Shivraj Patil has misused his OEP status to facilitate a IAF flight for Sonia Gandhi. On Jan 12 2006 he accompanied Sonia Gandhi to Kalinga Nagar in an IAF Chopper. On 10 Aug 2006 he accompanied Sonia Gandhi to Amalapuram in an IAF Chopper. October 30 once again he accompanied Sonia Gandhi in an IAF Planer and Chopper to Bidar, Chakur in Latur (Shivraj’s home constituency) to attend a farmer’s rally. None of these IAF Junkets were for Defence purposes. Almost all of them were for Congress Party related activities with the primary focus being on Sonia Gandhi and Shivraj Patil incidentally present.

Shivraj Patil is not the only one sponsoring IAF Junkets for Sonia’s convenience. On 22 Jan 2006 the Prime Minister carried her to Hyderabad in an IAF plane, 2 Feb 2006 another IAF Junket to Bandlapalli in Andhra. Mar 26 2006 Sudheendra Kulkarni writing in the Indian Express during the Office of Profit crisis highlights how Sonia Gandhi had been misusing her Office of Profit through IAF Junkets thrown by Pranab Mukherjee then Defence Minister.

Here is a particularly galling episode that resulted from a Sonia Gandhi IAF Junket. The 10 Aug IAF travel in Andhra resulted in the IAF Choppers not airdropping food for the flood affected. The Times News Network on 12 Aug 2006 carries this story on how flood victims go hungry courtersy Madam’s abuse of the IAF’s vital resources.

More than one lakh flood victims, majority of them tribals in the Bhadrachalam area, were forced to starve for a day when AICC president Sonia Gandhi made a whirlwind tour of the flood-affected parts of Khammam and East Godavari districts on Wednesday

Aug 31 Pranab Mukherjee throws another IAF Junket to Sonia’s benefit to visit Barmer Rajasthan. Nov 4 and 5th Chennai Prime Minister Manmohan Singh hitches Sonia with a IAF ride.

The abuse of the IAF goes on …….

Offstumped Bottomline: Home Minister Shivraj Patil is so jobless that he can fly the IAF for Sonia’ benefit even though he had absolutely no official business transact in Srinagar that was worthy of public mention. He will do so at the expense of the Nation’s Defence Apparatus.

Offstumped poser to the Home Minister: Sir, do you have any self respect left to be taken seriously as the custodian of our Internal Security ?

Offstumped poser to Sonia Gandhi: Madam, do you have such a thing as shame for your blatant misuse of the Indian Air Force and the National Defence Apparatus for your Party Junkets ?

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Sep 2008 00:18

Terrorism is no crime, it is an act of war

Arif Mohammed Khan

September 16, 2008
Human beings are like limbs of one another, as they are created from the same essence.
When one limb is hurt the other limbs cannot be but in pain.
You who are indifferent to the suffering of others do not deserve to be called a man.
Sheikh Sadi, the great Iranian poet, had said this about those who are insensitive to human pain and misery, and I wonder what he would have said about those heartless brutes masquerading as men who by their own hands cause such heart-rending tragedy as we witnessed in Delhi on September 13.

India has been a victim of terrorism for the last more than two decades and has suffered more than any other country in terms of loss of precious human lives and property. The proxy war that we have been subjected to has already been discussed in such great details that now it has attained for many people a rote quality.

The people and Government of India know, rather the whole world knows who is sponsoring these terror attacks in India, who is organising the terror training camps and where these camps are located. Sadly we appear to have developed a sense of inurement to horror. After every attack we condemn terrorism and give routine expression to our resolve to fight terror and streamline our security establishment and then sit back and wait for another attack to repeat the same performance.

We are not the only country who has suffered at the hands of international terrorism, but we surely are the only country who has shown this stoic passivity in the face of such great provocation. Is it because we are inheritors of a great tradition called gambhirta (indifference to pain and pleasure) and therefore we should not get provoked easily, or is it because we are insensitive to the loss of ordinary people who become targets of such terror attacks? If not, then surely we have underestimated or ignored the gravity of the threat to an extent sufficient to have made the task of its perpetrators far easier.

Terrorism is no ordinary crime, in plain words it is warfare deliberately waged against civilians with the purpose of destroying their will to support either leaders or policies that agents of such violence find objectionable. This cross-border terrorism has now assumed more dangerous proportions with the aid and abetment of domestic elements.

Here I am not going to make any allegations against any country but would like to refer to some public writings and statements of Pakistani columnists and senior officials. This is what an Islamabad-based freelance journalist, Dr Farrukh Saleem, has said in one of his columns:

'For the past 40 years our uniformed decision-makers have been fed nothing but anti-India rations. Our civil society has been indoctrinated to equate Pakistan with Islam, India with Hindus, both being in tandem with 'Hindus being eternal enemies of Islam'. Our elementary and secondary school curriculum continues to be full of hate literature. My 9 -year-old son has a problem comprehending that an Indian can also be a Muslim.'

This was written some 25 years back, but the situation has only worsened thereafter. Ahmad Salim and A H Nayyar, in their 140-page report on 'The state of curriculum and textbooks in Pakistan', say 'the themes of jihad and shahadat (martyrdom), clearly distinguish the pre and post-1979 educational contents. There was no mention of these in the pre-Islamisation period curricula and textbooks, while the post-1979 curricula and textbooks openly eulogise jihad and shahadat and urge students to become mujahids (religious warriors) and martyrs.'

Now this is not about the books in a madrassa, but about the books that are prescribed in government schools for the children of five to 17 years of age.

On the other hand the chief of Inter Services Intelligence, while responding to a question at a seminar at Islamabad [Images] in 1999, publicly stated that 'Our aim is to weaken India from within and we can do it'. Only recently, some highly-placed officials of the US State Department have confirmed that the Pakistani army chief was aware of the ISI's plans to bomb the Indian embassy in Kabul in July.

These are not new revelations, merely a reference to show that the perpetrators of violence are not and cannot be treated as ordinary criminals; in fact they are foot soldiers of the mastermind operating from across the border. Terrorism is no ordinary crime, it is an act of war waged against India by targeting its civilian population. It is beyond the capacity of the local police or state governments to meet this threat adequately.
Once we acknowledge that terrorism is an act of war waged against India then it becomes the paramount duty of the central government to decide how long we will allow ourselves to bleed and how soon shall we put an end to this aggression.

We must also disabuse ourselves of the notion that all these terror problems have arisen as a result of the so-called unresolved Kashmir dispute. More than Kashmir, it was the creation of Bangladesh in 1971 and the surrender of more than 90,000 Pakistani soldiers that rankles the mind of the Pakistani military establishment. They hold us responsible for their dismemberment and humiliation and feel that but for India's intervention they could have ruthlessly suppressed the Bangladeshi disaffection and aspirations.

At the same time they are conscious of the result of three conventional wars and do not have the bile for another direct encounter. On the other hand, they can take satisfaction that by the stratagem of proxy wars in the guise of terrorism, they have been able to inflict greater damage on India. According to this strategy the action is directed at destroying India from within, which means using Indians to carry out the operations without risking their own blood and infrastructure.

We need not blame anybody but realise that our security is exclusively our own concern. Pakistan has every reason to behave the way they are behaving, but we have no explanation to justify our sloth and inertia. There are other countries who if attacked pursue the terrorist across continents, and we have failed to take care of the terror training camps at a stone's throw from our borders.

Enough is enough, we must make it clear that we shall not suffer any more spilling of blood on our streets and shall put nothing to chance in matters of national security.

Arif Mohammed Khan resigned as minister from Rajiv Gandhi's Council of Ministers in 1987 in protest after the government moved a bill in Parliament to overturn the Supreme Court verdict in the Shah Bano case. A consistent voice of Muslim progressives, he is now a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/16arif.htm

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 17 Sep 2008 01:17

x-post

Dunno how credible this is, but this quote in BusinessWeek from a suspect source (unknown police officals, where have we heard of that before) seemed weired enough to raise doubts:

But experts draw a sharp line between those targeted by left-wing extremists, known as Naxalites, who openly attack industrial projects (BusinessWeek, 5/7/08) and Islamic militants like the Indian Mujahideen, who are suspected of having ties to Pakistani militant groups. "Their aim is the same—create havoc, kill innocent people, cause economic damage—but their motivations are so far apart that it's doubtful that they even speak to each other," said an official with the Intelligence Bureau, who asked not to be named because the bomb blasts were a politically sensitive matter.

Link

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 17 Sep 2008 01:27

The disturbances in Mangalore may be a result of Christian aggression against the Hindus. Stumbled upon a blog written by a guy from Mangalore who seems to give inside knowledge:

DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE

The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows.

· Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)

· When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)

· It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39)

· When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).

· When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be gods? (page 39)

· God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).

2. All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches. In fact, unauthorized prayer halls were attacked where the blasphemous pamphlets were distributed and aggressive proselytisation was taking place. These 16 incidents were not localized but took place across three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.

3. The only place where attacks took place apart from New Life Prayer Halls was at a small prayer hall in the premises of Milagres Church in Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place. Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in unsavoury violence.

4. Since the past two days, it is not Hindu-Christian clashes that are taking place. In fact, it is more appropriate to call it”Christian-Police” clashes since the Christians holed up in Churches have engaged themselves in pelting of stones and disruption of traffic. The Police were forced to enter the Church to clear the mob and they found arms inside the Church.

5. Incidents of Stabbing were reported in around four or five places across Mangalore district. In fact, an activist belonging to Shri Ram Sena was stabbed which led to a bandh call by Shri Ram Sena – a Hindu outfit that is not connected to Sangh Parivar.

6. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the desecration of Jesus idol at the prayer hall adjacent to the Milagres Church in Mangalore. They have also clarified that they are not against the Catholic faith and the Churches. However, they have clarified that the public outcry would continue as long as illicit conversion activities and blasphemy of Hindu gods take place.

7. Even the Kandhmahal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen through Christian aggression.

8. It may be recalled that there was a public outcry against illegal prayer halls in Davanagere district last week. In that case, the administration had closed the unauthorized prayer halls that were mushrooming in the region.

http://greathindu.com/

G Subramaniam · Post by **G Subramaniam** » 17 Sep 2008 07:25

Ekal vidyalaya, $350 to immunise 1 village from EJ

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/16fund.htm

A recent fundraiser event at the Stafford Centre in Houston generated $810,000 for Ekal Vidyalaya schools in India.

Sponsored by the Ekal Vidyalaya Foundation of the United States, the event was attended by 1,100 people. The funds will support 2,200 Ekal Vidyalaya schools in India.

'If a child goes to sleep without food and education, I am partly responsible for that,' yoga guru Baba Ramdev [Images] said, reminding the audience of the importance of the human bond, and pledging to support up to 100 schools for rural and tribal children. He described the gift of education as a great punya or noble act, and the greatest of all charities.

He also demonstrated breathing techniques and drove home the message that yoga is as important as eating and sleeping.

Braham Aggarwal, a real estate developer in Florida [Images] and chairman, Ekal USA board of advisers, pledged to support 1,100 Ekal schools (for about $400,000) annually, becoming the largest donor of the evening. After visiting villages and tribal areas in India, Aggarwal said he was moved by the plight of the people.

Atul Gupta, 16, a Memorial High School junior, pledged money to fund one school for five years. Gupta was the youngest donor of the evening

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 17 Sep 2008 11:59

sanjaychoudhry wrote:The disturbances in Mangalore may be a result of Christian aggression against the Hindus. Stumbled upon a blog written by a guy from Mangalore who seems to give inside knowledge:

DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE

The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life.

More on the 'New Life' stuff...

Mohammed Shariff & Jayadevan P K |ENS
17 Sep 2008 04:57:00 AM IST

BANGALORE: The roots of New Life Church, which was targeted by Hindu activists in Karnataka for allegedly being involved in conversions, can be traced to the USA with headquarters in Colorado Springs.

The New Life Church is a non-denominational Evangelical Protestant Christian church with subsidiaries in India and other South East Asian countries.

According to sources, in India, New Life Foundation, inspired by Ted Haggard, is active in Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu.

Pastor Haggard, who founded New Life in 1984 in the United States, however, had to quit the Church a couple of years ago for allegedly buying drugs and hiring a male prostitute for a massage.

Sources said the church in India has borrowed literature from the New Life Church in the US.

However, sources from New Life Churches in India said they have no connection with the New Life Church chain in the US.

Joshua, chief instructor, Ministries, New Life Church, told to this website's newspaper, "U M Samuel and his wife Somi began the chain in Mangalore, Karnataka in 1980s and then spread it to Bangalore later. The church has ministries working in Bangalore, Mangalore, Udupi and has a training centre in Kamanahalli.

The operations of these branches are funded by its institutions in US, UK and Denmark" "The church does not come under conventional churches, it does not work under any diocese, and it has good relations with high ranking clergy of all sects. The church preaches Catholic Christianity and undertakes missionary work," said Joshua

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... amanahalli

Nothing really 'New' in New Life. Same old stuff of wrongly induce, then use and abuse.

From one of its websites:

http://www.newlifeglobal.net/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Sep 2008 12:12

one of the prayer halls attacked belonged to Harvest India church per the TOI report on 1st day.

the CM has been given these literature and has made it clear that while there is no
bar on propagating any religion, denigration of other religions like this will not be permitted.

you will notice the all-india level christian bodies have piped down their psyops once it
became known the Govt had seized some quantity of this literature and CM himself had
read it.

a good samaritan should scan and post this material on internet for all to see.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 17 Sep 2008 12:26

Singha wrote:one of the prayer halls attacked belonged to Harvest India church per the TOI report on 1st day.

A book by the same name is an evangelical manual.

Harvest India
Harvest India is the bi-monthly English magazine of India Bible Literature. It has the reports of I.B.L. ministries, testimonies and powerful messages. Distributed free of cost for those who write and ask for it.

Produced by 'India Bible Literature' , which produces books like these below

The Child Evangelism Fellowship Specialized Book Ministry, Northern Ireland, UK , has been partnering with us in publishing books for child evangelists and volunteer teachers since 2002. It is a five-year project, printing and distributing one-pack each year.

So far, we have published Children's Workers' Pack I, II & III containing text books accompanied by relevant visualized lessons along with one year Teaching plan.

Sam Doherty, the author of most of these books as an expert, elicits the doctrine from stories and helps teachers to express the biblical truth in a systematic way.

The titles of three sets of CEF books published so far are given below :

http://www.iblministries.com/publications.htm

G Subramaniam · Post by **G Subramaniam** » 17 Sep 2008 17:55

Note the use of child evangelism

It means trying to brainwash your child without your knowledge

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Sep 2008 20:58

Blog of Dr Achraya, HM of Karnataka.....Pretty revealing pics in there:

Link

Note the use of child evangelism

It means trying to brainwash your child without your knowledge
Note the use of child evangelism

It means trying to brainwash your child without your knowledge

I know of a personal example where the daughter of a deaf and dumb acquaintance of mine(she is also deaf and dumb) has been taken in by a missionary in Bengaluru itself and has been taught that she is like this only because her parents are sinners etc...She now sits in church almost 24/7 and refuses to go to college and even assults her parents and refuses to wear a bindi as she has been taught that its a sin to do so!!!!

Seems many of such handicapped youngsters are behaving the same way,acc to the acquaintance ...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Sep 2008 21:15

sum wrote:Blog of Dr Achraya, HM of Karnataka.....Pretty revealing pics in there:

Link

Creating the image of victims and target is part of the main strategy.

First is to provoke the society with something and then show that they are victims of violence.
It is designed to create anger within their community which will mobilize their community with zeal.

The first provoking act is conveniently ignored and never discussed.

So the pattern of any violence in Mangalore follows a pattern: some issue- blown out of proportion by interested elements- outrage in some community- logic takes a back seat- arson/ riot/ looting/ damage to public property / attack on police follows...when culprits are arrested- a team of oppostion leaders/ intellectuals parade in the city/ hospitals/ media demanding for CBI enquiry, release of all arrested and resignation of all concerned !
Alas! the poor common man does not understand the designs of these "out of power" politicians!

I happen to know the nephew of the HM and looks this thing is being analysed quite closely.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 18 Sep 2008 01:29

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.as ... nter_img=1

Unimpressive Affair

Rakesh K Singh | New Delhi

At the receiving end for his "incompetence" in handling the country's internal security coupled with his "fascination" for being "neat and clean", which has even earned him the tag of a "serial dresser", Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil also does not come up as a source of inspiration for the babus in the Ministry he mans.

In fact, officials in the Union Home Ministry do not shy away from singling him out as the most "ineffective" Home ministers of all times even while outlining a string of examples to buttress their assertions.

While the Home Minister talks tough on television, sternly warning perpetrators of terror attacks of the most stringent of punishments as per law (as if one were asking him to go beyond law!), Patil's stand of opposing anti-terror laws flies in the face of his own commitment and dismaying the security agencies.

"At the institutional level, Patil, under the influence of the IPS lobby, demoralised Group A officers of the CRPF by not backing the recommendations of the 6th Pay Commission for filling up 50 per cent of the posts in the rank of Inspector General. This showed his over-dependence on All-India service officers leading to disgruntlement in the CRPF cadre," the officials claim.

Frustrated with his procrastination, the National Security advisor MK Narayanan wrote to the Union Home Ministry seeking clearance for the pending GUJCOCA, a proposed anti-terror law of the Gujarat government on the lines of MCOCA of Maharashtra. "But even that remains a victim of Patil's whims. The states' cries for stringent deterrence to tackle terror acts have so far met with no response," the sources say.

The UPA in general has come under attack from the BJP for its delay in the execution of Parliament attack convict Afzal Guru. But Patil's remark on the issue yet again brought him into the limelight - and again, for all the wrong reasons.

Patil's stance of equating Afzal Guru with Sarabjit Singh, facing a death sentence in a case of mistaken identity in Pakistan, not only demoralised the country's security and intelligence agencies but also made him a subject of ridicule.

Some say Patil's straightforward demeanour has put him in trouble time and again. A large section of the officialdom doesn't approve of Patil's statement on Naxalism, particularly, when he issues it while in the most Naxal-affected hinterlands.

As a senior IPS official points out, "Patil termed the Maoists bhatke huye bhai (brothers who lost their way). Patil's statement was no doubt well-intentioned. To an extent, it's right that a number of the extremists have actually strayed but coming on the face of the scores of brutal killings of the men-in-khaki and very much in their presence during his numerous visits to the affected areas surely didn't go down well with the police personnel combating Naxalism across the country."

This apart, Patil's flip-flop on ULFA led to deterioration in the law and order situation in the sensitive North-East resulting in the mass killings of Bihari migrants, a spurt in the loss of lives of security forces at the hands of the secessionist ultras and continuing unrest and insecurity besides plunging the economy of the region.

"As the head of the Home Ministry, Patil failed to ensure the continuance of ban on the notorious Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) leading to the Centre ending up with egg on its face after a Tribunal lifted the ban on it," official sources maintain.

Further, notwithstanding inputs about the prevailing grim security scenario by the Intelligence Bureau, the Home Minister chose to reduce the allocations for mega city policing by more than 30 per cent for the current fiscal.

Insiders in the Ministry point out that Patil's fetish for changing clothes many times a day and over-indulgence in visiting temples makes him unavailable for stock-taking or brainstorming sessions to devise ways to tackle the increasing Maoists' stride and influence of terror.

The failing leadership of the Union Home Minister has also resulted in the Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence to spread its network of sleeper cells of terrorists across the country and strike with impunity and institutionalization of ways and means to subvert the financial system of this country. And it's none other than the reports of the Home Ministry which admit it.

The ISI continues to pump in huge quantities of high quality currency notes but the nodal agency or the nodal team under the Ministry is yet to compile the quantum of actual number of such notes in circulation in the country.

Besides this, the clueless Ministry under Patil remained a mute spectator for months together while the ISI fuelled anti-India protests in Jammu and Kashmir through its loyal separatists and certain political parties active in the State that were, of late, showing signs of recovery from the Pakistan-supported terror in the sensitive Valley.

Other foreign intelligence agencies, more particularly China, are now targetting the sensitive telecommunications network through diverse linkages created in the garb of business and research and development centres for keeping surveillance on senior officials of the armed forces, bureaucrats and industry captains, sources say.

Patil's footprints are all across the country. The recent transfer of CRPF Inspector General (operations) SK Jain from Srinagar boosted the morale of separatists, who brazenly launched anti-India agitations in the State last month over the Amarnath land issue. The Home Minister fiddled while the separatists in full camera view rubbished India. Here too, it was the NSA MK Narayanan who had to intervene and ask the security forces to take a tough posture against the separatists.

Even though the Congress continues to defend him, the bureaucracy is sure Patil is on his way out. In fact, the word about a complete revamp of the Home Ministry is already underway. It's just a matter of Sonia Gandhi's nod, sources say, for the Gandhi family loyalist to pack his bags.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 18 Sep 2008 01:54

I would say good riddance to the lout. This two-bit family retainer of Gandhi family disgraces the chair once held by Sardar Patel. He got defeated in last elections by over a lakh of votes, but still managed to become the HM. The worst home minister India has ever seen. Under his watch, security forces are being killed by the hundreds by terrorists and Maoists of all hues while he debates which shoes will go well with his shirt. It is disgusting to see such a fetish for fancy clothes and obsession with outer appearance in a man of his age.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 18 Sep 2008 02:11

NYT reports that

India Now Using Brainscans As Evidence in Court

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Sep 2008 08:11

There is no big deal whether Patil goes or stays. The UPA is scared of going to Muslim localities and do pre-emptive searches to find the folks even when intelligence is available. Any HM would be same if the entire ruling political apparatus is Muslim votebank bound.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 18 Sep 2008 12:21

sanjaychoudhry wrote:The disturbances in Mangalore may be a result of Christian aggression against the Hindus. Stumbled upon a blog written by a guy from Mangalore who seems to give inside knowledge:

DENIGRATION OF HINDU GODS IS THE REAL REASON FOR ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN MANGALORE

Denigration of the gods of the non-believers is a main aspect of Evangelical jehadi literature.

Hindu Gods' Subjugation of Women - Chapter 7

Chapter 7.1 sounds VERY FAMILIAR. Now where have we heard it before?

Caution : This sample is from the ej meets dalitistan meets 'anti-brahminism' . So more potent....

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 18 Sep 2008 17:16

It is interesting to read the above notes on the attack of a few Hindu groups on the minority Christians. If anyone is forced or induced to become a Christian it should be banned or even legally stopped. There is no question about it. But attacking the churches which are not involved in these kind of activities point to a fact that any Fundamentalist forces within any religion that use their forces to attack another person or another community are security threat to the nation. You may call this Islamic or Christian or Hindu terror. This is the way many countries began their journey to fall apart. Pakistan or take any other country with any religion where the minority communities are threated by majority using force then that nation takes centuries to get out of it. We are taken by a few political parties towards such a situation in India.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Sep 2008 17:20

the mangalore catholic church seems to have distanced itself from the antics
of these new ministries. per TOI a syrian church was vandalized last night,
probably a case of wrongful IFF.

one has to think about how the syrian and other catholic churches have
existed peacefully for centuries on west coast without inciting this kind
of reaction.

the charlatan wannabe "new ministries" and their aggressive and vile
approach is responsible for it.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 18 Sep 2008 18:45

Singha wrote:the charlatan wannabe "new ministries" and their aggressive and vile
approach is responsible for it.

If what one of my Keralite Christian friend said is true, these new ministries even try to lure Christians from other sects (Roman/Syrian Catholics, Jacobites etc.) to their fold. As per these new ministries only their version of christianity is the true one.

Another thing I noticed is that major denominations (RC/SC/Jacobite) have churches built, and is more or less established in the place. Where as the new denominations/ministries go by the concept of "prayer halls". Singing loudly, and clapping hands etc. are heard more in these "prayer halls" rather than chruches where things are much more solemn.

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Sep 2008 19:56

There was a news article(unable to dig it out) stating that central agencies are conducting raids/camping in Azamgarh without informing local police since the police come under pressure from politicos and scuttle every raid....

Is this happening even with Mayawati(thought that it ended with Maulana Mulayam) in power? Truely a sad state of affairs the country is in with politicos openly shielding terrorists and local population also fully behind them....

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 20 Sep 2008 02:29

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Does the administration of internal security make class distinctions? A close examination of the UPA government’s record suggests so, which ironic considering that the alliance came to power harping on how its heart lies with the aam aadmi. Nearly 600 people have been killed in major Terror attacks, mostly bomb blasts, from Delhi to Mumbai to Jaipur to Hyderabad and Ahmedabad since 2004. Cities thought to be distant from the mind of hate-mongers believed to be operating from across the borders, like Varanasi, Lucknow, Ajmer, Bangalore and Malegaon, have also not been spared from the shadow of suspected Islamist terror. Which is why when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and others in the Congress start talking about the need for tougher laws to deal with terror, it should be seen as a bit of an admission of defeat considering one of the first major policy moves of this Government was to do away with POTA in an attempt to proclaim its secular credentials.

A vast majority of the nearly 600 people killed in the country in the terror attacks could easily be described as the aam aadmi. The first major terror attack under UPA rule were the three blasts that hit Delhi on Diwali eve and killed 66 people in places like Paharganj and Sarojini Market. The pattern or target selection has been the same since: the Sankatmochan temple in Varanasi, the local trains of Mumbai, the prayer grounds near a mosque in Malegaon, the second-class coaches of Samjhauta Express, the crowded roadside eatery, the mosque and the amusement park in Hyderabad, local courts in Lucknow, Faizabad and Varanasi, and markets, temples and hospitals in Jaipur, Ahmedabad and again Delhi now. Police, security analysts and even politicians try to explain this away by pointing out that the sheer size and congested nature of many of them in a country of 1.1 billion people makes them next to impossible to secure. Platitudes have been offered every time, by the PM, the much-maligned Home Minister and the Congress party president. But that hasn’t changed anything.

On the other hand, consider how the Indian state responded during two of the most high-profile acts of terrorism before this series of attacks. After being disgraced by the hijack of IC-814 to Kandahar and the release of terrorists, New Delhi cut off air links with Kathmandu and virtually brought Nepal’s tourism industry to its knees. Flights were restored only after Nepal got its act together and made Tribhuvan International Airport watertight, going even as far as allowing the stationing of an Indian security team to screen passengers. Airport security around the country was further tightened after 9/11 and the proof of its success lies in the fact that there has not been a single security incident worth the mention since.

Again, after the attack on Parliament, India nearly went to war with Pakistan, sparking panic around the world about the possibility of a nuclear conflict. Meanwhile, those who have been to the Parliament complex after new security measures were put in place will testify how impregnable a fort it has now become. That all this happened under another political dispensation might be minor consolation. But what does this say about how the Indian system responds to security threats and terrorist attacks on well-heeled people who can afford to fly or the politicians who can afford to get elected and those who have to sweat it out in the local trains of Mumbai or shop in the grubby lanes of Karol Bagh?

At a larger level, why have the Centre and the states made such slow progress on increasing the ratio of the number of policemen to the population? On recruiting more Muslims in the police and intelligence agencies? On adapting to technology faster and cutting red-tape in inter-state co-ordination? And on speedier implementation of the recommendations of the Justice Rajinder Sachar Committee to raise the socio-economic status of Muslims? Why, for instance, does the PM hold forth more on Naxal violence in his speech at the Chief Minister’s Conference on Internal Security and make only a passing reference to suspected Islamist terror less than a month after Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad were hit by bombs? Is it because urban centres hit by terrorism do not constitute vote-banks and it is blasphemy for this UPA government to even call a shovel a spade? The Manmohan Singh PMO frittered away a golden chance to make peace with Pakistan while Musharraf was around — which would have also addressed the terrorism within to an extent — and is now seeking to hang its internal security failures on the Shivraj Patil. If Singh could directly handle diplomacy with the Americans and ensure that the nuclear deal was pulled off, he and his office could very well have carried the burden of trying to secure the country. The PMO, which includes an intelligence stalwart like M K Narayanan, has much to answer and events over the last few days indicate that it might have just woken up to this truth. Unfortunately for the country, it may have come a tad late in the term of this government and it will now become the legacy for its successor.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 20 Sep 2008 18:24

Sachin wrote:Another thing I noticed is that major denominations (RC/SC/Jacobite) have churches built, and is more or less established in the place. Where as the new denominations/ministries go by the concept of "prayer halls". Singing loudly, and clapping hands etc. are heard more in these "prayer halls" rather than chruches where things are much more solemn.

As per an acquaintance living in Thane, MH , many new new denominations/ministries have been setting "prayer halls" in Ulhasnagar, a place with majority Sindhi-speaking HIndus population

As per him , ''believer reach'' in the community is extremely low and that ''dalals'' get hefty pay per conversion. This has been from the past 10 yrs or so.

In 99, there was a local hindu-reaction to the same. There is a foil report denying the same which means it is happening all the more. Majority being targeted are not-s-well-off.
The ready-to-convert are taken to a 'prayer-house' called tabor-ashram

As per him, people are extremely 'anti-religion of peace' since long and now 'anti-religion of love ' too. The anger is just below the surface. Mostly Sangh members and others opposing these ,who have complained against the missionaries are now themselves being harased in the name of ''minority-christian-persecution'.Can boil over any time.

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Sep 2008 15:36

Nice writeup on our police force. Posting in full as it deserves a read:
Link

Delhi is mourning the death of Inspector M C Sharma who dared to take on the terrorists hiding in Jamia Nagar. It's rare that police force gets such an appreciation and salute that is otherwise reserved for the armed forces. The reactions of the people and the anchors on the news channels were sad, moist and genuine.

Why did he have to have this martyrdom?

The men in Khaki are more known and portrayed in movies as lazy, corrupt, unintelligent and seekers of pleasure at public cost. Few know the trying circumstances they work in and the salaries they draw. They are facing the Communist terrorism in thirteen states, their martyrdom in action, go often less reported and almost unsung. They are given the most outdated rifles and equipment and the facilities to act against terrorists who are cunning, resourceful and heavily armed with modern weapons. The police laws are shamefully inadequate. Indian police was governed under the 1861 act of the British government that was meant for the colonial brute force to control subjugated natives till 2006.

As close as 16th July, the Maoists in Orissa killed 21 policemen. In 2007, Maoists had killed 22 policemen in Bihar. According to a newspaper report, Bihar, one of the worst Maoist affected states along with Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh, has the lowest police-people ratio. Over 19,000 posts in the state police department have not been filled up. In March 2007 the Maoists had killed 50 policemen in Chhattisgarh. During Rajasthan's Gujjar movement in May this year, unruly protestors beheaded a policeman.

Every one, including the politician, loves to deride and insult police openly and get applause. But every one wants police to help them in times of distress and crisis. From a small traffic accident to domestic violence and petty thefts to Nithari 's cannibals and Arushi murder, it's the police that faces the public and is under constant pressure to show results. The politicians use them as domestic servants and commission agents, corrupting them and in turn helping out of turn the facilitator men in Khaki. Yet the most important task - to reform and modernize the police force - remains in cold storage till something like Delhi blasts occur and there is a huge pressure built up by people and media on the government. Then just to avoid the immediate criticism a few announcements are made to spend a few more crores on police force. No body knows how many years would take to see these announcements implemented.

It was in July 2006 that the Indian government had unveiled an ambitious Rs.52 billion plan for modernising the Central and state police forces. The money is yet to be utilized. Manipur, for example, which is declared 'A' class seeing high incidents of insurgency, didn't spend eight crores earmarked for police modernization yet showed it as 'spent' in accounts, which was detected in the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Lack of men power, political interference, a tendency to demoralize the honest and upright officers, lack of coordination between different forces and a complete absence of a mechanism to share information and cooperate with each other amongst various shades of police forces, including para-military security organisations make the task of police more difficult and cumbersome.

The level of demoralization in police forces is well exemplified by a recent report from Hyderabad that says: "Police stations in at least 100 mandals across the state do not want to avail four and six wheelers fearing landmine attacks by the Maoists. This comes following intelligence inputs that cops deployed in the jurisdiction of these police stations run the highest risk of being targeted by the Naxals. Currently, there are 1,559 police stations in the state of which about 700 have no four wheelers for mobility. Though the police department provided at least 207 vehicles to the police stations through the Police Transport Organisation, the Naxal-hit areas have not been included. A senior police officer said, "There are several instances of Naxals targeting police personnel moving in four wheelers. Landmines and claymore mines are a big threat to the police teams travelling in jeeps and buses in the Naxal-hit Andhra-Orissa border, Khammam-Chhattisgarh border, North Telangana and surroundings of Nallamala.' Police usually move in private vehicles and sometimes on two-wheelers in the Maoist-hit zones."
Those who shoulder the responsibility to provide security to people are left high and dry when the question of their own security arises. Just a month ago an ambitious scheme has been passed by the Union Cabinet, which aims to strengthen police force in Naxal affected areas by raising 10 battalions (10,000 personnel) at a cost of Rs 1389.47 crore. After debating on the proposal for nearly eight months, the Union Home Ministry finally moved the Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for raising the Combat Battalion for Resolute Action (COBRA), which will be similar to 'Greyhounds' of Andhra Pradesh Police. The Left-extremism, termed by the Prime Minister as a "virus", has engulfed nearly 13 states.

But it's not just the Naxal affected areas but the entire police network that needs a complete and radical overhaul. Their training needs a Japanese touch which has the best of Eastern values and a tough power to eliminate the rogues. The first and foremost thing that needs to be done is to make the police set up autonomous and remove all the traces of colonialism from the police force, that essentially includes taking off the Khaki colour, which reminds of the imperial British brutishness. In UP and Bihar, old Willy's jeeps, reminding of the Sholay days and dacoit trail are in vogue with policemen wielding 303 guns.

The National Police Commission (NPC), created by the government in 1977, had submitted eight detailed reports during 1979-81, with comprehensive recommendations covering the entire gamut of police work. None was implemented completely. It was only because of a petition to the Supreme Court by one of the most able, honest and spirited police officers, Prakash Singh that the obnoxious Police Act of 1861 was struck down in one go in September 2006. That too happened, not surprisingly, having 'heard' the petition for ten long years. The Supreme Court said, "we think that there cannot be any further wait, and the stage has come for issue of appropriate directions for immediate compliance so as to be operative till such time as a new Model Police Act is prepared by the Central Government and/or the state governments pass the requisite legislations."

The Supreme Court ordered the establishment of three institutions at the state level with a view to insulating the police from extraneous influences, according functional autonomy and ensuring accountability. These were:
• A State Security Commission to lay down broad policies and give directions relating to the preventive and service-oriented functions of the police.
• A Police Establishment Board, comprising the Director-General of Police and four other senior officers to decide on all transfers, postings, promotions and other service-related matters of officers of and below the rank of Deputy Superintendent of Police. The Board was also tasked with making appropriate recommendations to the state government regarding the postings and transfers of officers of the rank of Superintendent of Police and above.
• A Police Complaints Authority at the district and state level to look into allegations of misconduct by police personnel.
In addition, the apex court ordered that the Director-General of Police should be selected by state governments from the three senior-most officers empanelled for promotion to that rank by the UPSC. It further stipulated that the DGP should have a prescribed minimum tenure of two years. Police officers on operational duty in the field, like the Inspector general (IG) Zone, Deputy Inspector General (DIG) Range, SP in charge of a district and Station House Officer (SHO) should also have a minimum tenure of two years.

But hardly these have been followed because every time there is a regime change, the entire police set up too is changed buy the incumbent political masters, bringing in their protégés and punishing those whom they thing had side with their rivals. This affects the respect for the able in the force and the virus goes down vertically.
Certainly there are still good officers in the police force and they need protection of law. It's high time that the police forces' control be taken off the authorities of the political set up and put under a professional autonomous body so that the people are secured and the moral of the brave men in khaki is also restored.

Security forces, whether in khaki or olive green, represent the spine of the land and the life of public institutions and democratic mechanism depends on them. Sadly they are the most ignored and left out segments. How the relatives of those brave security personnel, who were killed in action saving the lives of the parliamentarians, felt compelled to return the decorations given to their children is the saddest stories of state's failure in recent times.

While we are nearing another anniversary of 13th December, when Parliament was attacked, can we hope that all the parties would come together to provide more teeth and facilities to our security forces and encourage their morale so that the best talent in our society feels a pride in joining forces and be the real 'bobby' of the people? They are the fragrance of the fire of nobility in our society; let that be preserved with all our support.

The author is the Director, Dr Syamaprasad Mookerjee Research Foundation.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 22 Sep 2008 16:30

There was a move asking all the state governments to start working on the police commission's recommendations. Many states did not even bother to reply, some partially implemented the scheme.

In Kerala, they did try to put up the Police establishment board etc., but the home minister (a goon turned minister) removed the board's right to determine the transfers of police inspectors and other ranks. The goon's opinion was that "transfer" was the only option which can make these officers fall in line.

With a situation arising that non CPI(M) can be "arrested/detained" at many police stations (fellow comrades will attack the station and take away their men) in Kerala, the morale of the force is also going down the drain.

G Subramaniam · Post by **G Subramaniam** » 22 Sep 2008 17:04

I see news reports that Sangliana, the xtian BJP MP from bangalore is the head of new life churches

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Sep 2008 17:13

the EJs are waging low footprint, light logistics guerilla warfare with these prayer halls.
India is not deepest africa where building materials, skills or labour to build a proper
church is hard to obtain. their money is spent on paying middlemen, politicians and the
converted probably.

the fat american EJ whose mumbai wifi was hacked was running a prayer hall in a shopping
complex in the suburbs. looked more like typing school or DTP center than a place
of worship. he as the 'pastor' of his flocks and his org has atleast two such halls in BLR
led again by americans. one is located in kamanahalli where my wife goes to office,
the 'penetration' of EJhood seems to be strong there per her reports.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 22 Sep 2008 17:17

http://in.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/22simi.htm
'Nagori is toughest person we have interrogated'

I thought Nagori was the "moderate" face of SIMI. The report would have you believe he is as hardcore as they come. So what gives?

Proves that there is no such thing as a "moderate" within these scum. I wonder why the news channels are going to town about Nagori's "moderate" stance?

G Subramaniam · Post by **G Subramaniam** » 22 Sep 2008 18:13

Singha wrote:the EJs are waging low footprint, light logistics guerilla warfare with these prayer halls.
India is not deepest africa where building materials, skills or labour to build a proper
church is hard to obtain. their money is spent on paying middlemen, politicians and the
converted probably.

the fat american EJ whose mumbai wifi was hacked was running a prayer hall in a shopping
complex in the suburbs. looked more like typing school or DTP center than a place
of worship. he as the 'pastor' of his flocks and his org has atleast two such halls in BLR
led again by americans. one is located in kamanahalli where my wife goes to office,
the 'penetration' of EJhood seems to be strong there per her reports.

Actually per my field associates,
the real reason for conversion is mass hysteria, fake faith healing, miracle cures etc,
not poverty

As a counter, he has setup hindu astrologers in local temples as a counterweight

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Sep 2008 18:28

Singha wrote:the EJs are waging low footprint, light logistics guerilla warfare with these prayer halls.
India is not deepest africa where building materials, skills or labour to build a proper
church is hard to obtain. their money is spent on paying middlemen, politicians and the
converted probably.

the fat american EJ whose mumbai wifi was hacked was running a prayer hall in a shopping
complex in the suburbs. looked more like typing school or DTP center than a place
of worship. he as the 'pastor' of his flocks and his org has atleast two such halls in BLR
led again by americans. one is located in kamanahalli where my wife goes to office,
the 'penetration' of EJhood seems to be strong there per her reports.

Hindus may have to start similar Prayer hall business and trick them into a business scheme.

The scheme works like this. For every convert who visits the church they get Rs 2000-Rs 5000. So is this is a pyramid MLM scheme which is backed by money. I talked to few who explained to me how this scheme works. He said out of curiosity the poor people in the city go to this prayer hall and have to light a candle. For every Candle they light they get some money.After that they have to wish for certain things - such as a cycle/scooter/education etc which are made during the Christian holidays. Then the 'miracle' happens and the poor family gets those wishes fulfilled. This pyramid scheme has high success rate initially since the target in poor people in poor locality. There is novelty in visiting a prayer hall since money is involved and surprise gifts are showered just like how animal behavior is molded with food and prizes. Indian lower poor class/tribals and the 'untouchables' are the target of this prayer hall and pyramid scheme. The people down the chain make money as they get more families and friends inside the circle and are told that this is sustainable 'business' just by doing simple things. They are manipulated into larger gifts if they start changing their family prayer habits and family stop visiting Hindu temple. Poor people with medical problems are prime target with hospital facilities if they embrace a prayer hall. The scheme is ingenious where Indians with money coming from foreign source is taught to scheme and fool and exploit his fellow Indians.

Now the Amway organization is also organized in a similar manner. In the 90s there was heavy recruitment of the Indians in Amway in US and in India. This was explained to me by an insider. They did organizational behavior study of Indians for marketing and spending habits with social group. This MLM study and behavior pattern is showing up in EJ plans inside India after 5-10 years. Amway and Britt associates are secret EJ outfit to study Indians and map their social habits for a long time.

Now the American EJ outfit have fine tuned their penetration strategy with sophisticated social data from sociology learnt in South Asia programs. They have instant information on behavior pattern on each caste, kinship pattern, lower class grievances and agnostic relationship between various caste and religion. This is just like animal studies in the wild or in the zoo. Indian and Hindus are the target of large scale animal like study on thought process, choice behavior, money based incentive choice study etc.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 22 Sep 2008 18:55

There are few things that I hate more than Amway but

Amway and Britt associates are secret EJ outfit to study Indians and map their social habits for a long time.

Of course, you have links, proofs etc to back up the above statement?