Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009
Posted: 31 Jan 2010 00:59
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Why Chinese warn "xyz" country that "this action could harm relation between two countries. They have to think this when they do everything possible to harm relations.The state-run Xinhua news agency cited the defence ministry as saying the suspension was due to the "severe harm" of the arms sales on relations between the US and China.
JAPANIt will do no harm to the interests of India, but promote China-India ... for Peace and Prosperity, which marks a new era of bilateral relationship. ...
INDIAVice Premier Urges Japan Not to Harm Bilateral Relations. Vice Premier Wu Yi and Japanese House of Representatives Speaker Yohei Kono met in Tokyo Monday to ..
US14 Oct 2009 ... Indian hegemony continues to harm relations with neighbors ... China to strengthen bilateral ties with Mongolia. Editor's Pick. Most Popular ...
ARGINTINABeijing against Google and US, Clinton's words could harm relations. China's Foreign Ministry strongly criticises the US secretary of state, ...
PHILIPINESBeijing Says Falun Gong Out to Harm Relations with Argentina ... spiritual movement's attempt to damage bilateral relations, Beijing said Thursday. ... on bilateral relations and President Cristina Fernandez's planned visit to China
BAKISTANnews China: Philippines sovereign claims may harm bilateral ties ... 2007 2009 relationship of china and philippines • relationship of china and philippines
.al qaeda; - bilateral relations; - china; - chinese ambassador ... China asks Pak to be wary of separatist Turkestans designs to harm ties .
SOUTH AFRICATurkestan miscreants trying to harm ties, says China ... “No one can damage our bilateral relations, cooperation and traditional friendship.
RUSSIA23 Mar 2009 ... South Africa is China's largest trading partner in Africa, ... that allowing the Dalai Lama into the country would harm bilateral relations. ...
FRANCE17 Dec 2005 ... The China Daily quoted Putin as saying the incident "should not harm bilateral relations". However, the slick is a reminder that water
EVEN LAOS22 Apr 2008 ... China has discouraged the actions of the "radical" protesters, ... She added that China should continue to harbor friendly bilateral relations with ... Over-the-top nationalism is not constructive, but can do harm to the ...
UKSomsavat spoke highly of Laos-China relations and expressed thanks for the .... and stop doing things that harm the bilateral ties and hurt the feelings of ..
UK AGAIN29 Dec 2009 ... China executes Briton convicted of drug smuggling, despite UK pleas ... but said it hoped the case would not harm bilateral relations.
CANADA29 Dec 2009 ... We urge the UK to respect China's judicial sovereignty and correct its mistakes immediately to avoid doing harm to the bilateral relations. ...
EVEN BURKINA FASOBut many argue that the bilateral relationship is unlikely to teeter on this one event, ... referring to recent actions related to Burma and Sudan as examples. ... have anything to do with the Canada-China bilateral relationship as such." ... To mitigate any harm, Mr. Chin said, the government has made a serious ...
In all there are 271.000 refrences on " harm bilateral relation china" on google. no country was spared. It seems they have an readymade farm at the foreign ministry ........................any thing happens........just fill in country name and fax to xinhua.18 Jan 2010 ... side would harm bilateral relations between the two countries.24 Jan 2010 ..... Burkina Faso Benin security hooligans bullets injured. ... Foreign Office appeals to China over death row Briton hit by Car driver Homes ...
Lol.... Missed Myanmar and australia.rsingh wrote:................. In all there are 271.000 refrences on " harm bilateral relation china" on google. no country was spared. It seems they have an readymade farm at the foreign ministry ........................any thing happens........just fill in country name and fax to xinhua.
Congratulations India for featuring in the top 5. Why are Russia and South Korea missing and why is Vietnam at lowly 13th position?How many times have the Chinese people's feelings been hurt, anyway? Blogger FangKC searched through the electronic archives of the People's Daily between 1946 and 2006 and discovered that 19 countries and organizations have been accused of hurting the feelings of the Chinese people:
1. Japan: 47 times, starting in 1985
2. USA: 23 times, starting in 1980, when Los Angeles flew the ROC flag
3. NATO: 10 times, mostly relating to the 1999 Belgrade embassy bombing
4. India: 7 times, starting in 1986 and mostly relating to border issues
5. France: 5 times, starting in 1989
oh No, China is holding US Treasury notes in billions of dollars, if it dumps them US economy would go for a toss.But so would Chinsese economy as US is major partner in exim trade with China (BOP favours china). Millions of Chinese depend on the export of cheap,substandard Chinese goods to US.
So any reaction other than loud noise would not be coming from China. :
What will PRC do if it is put in a corner on trade and commerce.csharma wrote:Naivety of US (under Obama) and European leaders in full display here. Obama and his advisers thought that by giving some more bhaav to China and forming a G2, China will be happy and become more cooperative. Results are here for all to see.
India should not get drawn into this west vs China thing and use this opportunity to improve ties with China.
The problems are not just economic. The historically unprecedented movement of non-Tibetans into Tibetan cities and towns has fueled Tibetans' insecurity about the future of their homeland's ethnic distinctiveness. Even many Tibetans on the state payroll fear that their cultural heritage and way of life are under threat. Their fears are compounded by national and local government policies that seek to curtail the influence of organized Tibetan Buddhism by placing restrictions on religious practices and monastic life—a cornerstone of Tibetan cultural identity.
Unfortunately, Beijing continues to insist that ethnic tensions are the result of meddling by "separatist forces led by the Dalai clique." Conveniently, this allows China's leaders to divert attention away from critical domestic policy failures
The Chinese government is not only hacking into computers but also bugging, burgling and blackmailing British business executives in search of commercial secrets, the British intelligence agency was quoted saying on Sunday.
The British newspaper Sunday Times quoted a secret MI5 document as saying spies from the Chinese army and public security ministry approach British businessmen with offers of gifts, including cameras and memory sticks that have been found to contain electronic bugs which provide the Chinese remote access to users' computers. The MI5 says the Chinese government constitutes "one of the most significant espionage threats to the UK".
The newspaper said a 14-page document, written by the MI5's Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure, catalogues Chinese hacking attacks on British defence, energy, communications and manufacturing companies. Any British company might be at risk if it holds information which would benefit the Chinese, the Sunday Times report said.
China has occasionally attempted sexual entrapment to target senior British political figures. Two years ago an aide to Gordon Brown had his BlackBerry phone stolen after being picked up by a Chinese woman who had approached him in a Shanghai disco.
The report said that the practice has now extended to commercial espionage. It said that Chinese agents are trying to cultivate "long-term relationships" with the employees of key British companies: "An undercover intelligence officer may try to develop a friendship or business relationship, often using lavish hospitality and flattery".
"Chinese intelligence services have also been known to exploit vulnerabilities such as sexual relationships and illegal activities to pressurise individuals to co-operate with them", the report added.
The original in Times has this in addition -durgesh wrote:China bugging UK businessmen, says MI5
“Hotel rooms in major Chinese cities, such as Beijing and Shanghai, which are frequented by foreigners, are likely to be bugged ... hotel rooms have been searched while the occupants are out of the room.”
I feel obliged to reiterate a position that has been repeated ad infinitum on this forum. Present-day China does not subscribe to the usual notions of friendship, nor the accepted principles of favours done and favours returned. This notion of "improving ties" with China is a chimera. China backs off when faced with strength, and bullies when these roles are reversed. India's best strategy is to build strength, if necessary by leveraging the US-China confrontation.KaranR wrote:csharma wrote:Naivety of US (under Obama) and European leaders in full display here. Obama and his advisers thought that by giving some more bhaav to China and forming a G2, China will be happy and become more cooperative. Results are here for all to see.
India should not get drawn into this west vs China thing and use this opportunity to improve ties with China.[/quote]
I agree 100%.
some administration officials suggested privately that the timing of the arms sales and the tougher language on Iran was calculated to send a message to Beijing to avoid assumptions that President Obama would be deferential to China over American security concerns and existing agreements.
Twice, the Chinese prime minister, Wen Jiabao, sent an underling to represent him at meetings with Mr. Obama, in what diplomats said was an intentional snub. Mr. Obama later had to track down Mr. Wen, surprising him and appearing at the doorway of a conference room where Mr. Wen was meeting with the leaders of South Africa, Brazil and India.
he planned to double American exports in the next five years, an ambitious goal that cannot be met unless he somehow persuades China to let its currency appreciate, making Chinese products more expensive in the United States and American products more affordable in China.
csharma wrote:Naivety of US (under Obama) and European leaders in full display here. Obama and his advisers thought that by giving some more bhaav to China and forming a G2, China will be happy and become more cooperative. Results are here for all to see.
India should not get drawn into this west vs China thing and use this opportunity to improve ties with China.
If they behave towards India in an arrogant and disrespectful way, then they would be doing India a big favor, because there would be no illusions about their true nature. If they are acting all sweet and flattering to the Indian elites, that's when we have to worry.RamaY wrote: ...
if PRC is behaving like this after western G2 moves (your first point), how would it respond to Indian peace guestures?
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India should not get drawn into this west vs China thing and use this opportunity to improve ties with China.[/quote]
I agree 100%
I feel obliged to reiterate a position that has been repeated ad infinitum on this forum. Present-day China does not subscribe to the usual notions of friendship, nor the accepted principles of favours done and favours returned. This notion of "improving ties" with China is a chimera. China backs off when faced with strength, and bullies when these roles are reversed. India's best strategy is to build strength, if necessary by leveraging the US-China confrontation.
The cultural stereotypes I allude to do not apply to traditional Chinese culture, only the aberration that we see today after half a century of Mao and CPC rule.
I speak from considerable experience
Chinese officials have rejected demands by the Dalai Lama that Tibetan areas of China receive greater autonomy and be governed as a single region, Xinhua, the state news agency, reported Monday.
The report came after days of meetings in China between Chinese officials and two envoys of the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of the Tibetans, who lives in exile in India. During the talks, a senior Chinese official, Du Qinglin, told the envoys that the concept of a “Greater Tibet” and “high-level autonomy” violated the Chinese Constitution, Xinhua reported. Mr. Du insisted that talks would progress “only if the Dalai Lama completely abandoned such claims,” according to the report.
The Tibetan envoys could not be reached for comment. They returned to India early Monday, according to Chhime R. Chhoekyapa, the Dalai Lama’s secretary, The Associated Press reported.
China discussing with envoys of HH DL ... does it mean that Tibet issue is very much open and alive, even in Chinese eyes?There were signs that the 9th round of talks got deadlocked in almost the same manner it did during the 8th round 15 months back. ...the envoys Lodi G. Gyari and Envoy Kelsang Gyaltsen, who left for China on January 25, have returned....
...the envoys had presented a "Memorandum on Genuine Autonomy for the Tibetan People" at the earlier round of talks 15 months back. The “memorandum puts forth Tibetan people's aspiration for genuine autonomy” and explained how it was possible to allow self-government to Tibetans within the Chinese constitution.
"Tibetan people cherish peace and stability. It is no use to cheat them and act against their will. The activities of infiltration and provocation, which are doomed to fail, will only create barriers for the talks and isolate the Dalai Lama and his followers," the official statement quoted Du as saying.
Only if the Dalai Lama completely abandoned claims of greater autonomy that a foundation for further contacts and negotiations can be laid, the department said in a statement. The talks can make no progress if the Dalai Lama’s persisted on their anti-China activities and refused to show basic respect and sincerity, Du said.
“This growing influence, combined with democratic values it shares with the United States, an open political system, and a commitment to global stability, will present many opportunities for cooperation,” it said.
“India’s military capabilities are rapidly improving through increased defence acquisitions and they now include long-range maritime surveillance, maritime interdiction and patrolling, air interdiction and strategic airlift,” the report noted.
“India has already established its worldwide military influence through counter piracy, peacekeeping, humanitarian assistance, and disaster relief efforts. As its military capabilities grow, India will contribute to Asia as a net provider of security in the Indian Ocean and beyond,” report said.
On the other hand, the report expressed concerns over the lack of Chinese transparency over its military development. “The US welcomes a strong, prosperous, and successful China that plays a greater global role. However, lack of transparency and the nature of China’s military development and decision-making processes raise legitimate questions about its future conduct and intentions within Asia and beyond,” the report said.
My beef is with the bolded part.The Chinese growth story--the story of our times--has always been about the clash between marketplace and mind space. Well, there will be any number of Sinologists to tell you that it has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with Confucius. Or with what the residents of Zhongnanhai call Chinese characteristics. There are so many euphemisms to name the beast.
The truth is: China lives in mortal fear of its own shadow.
Mao may be confined to the souvenir shop and Big Marx may be less ubiquitous than Big Mac but the awesome Chinese project is built on a Leninist party structure which abhors questions--and knowledge. It's the oldest fear of a system that treats its people as an abstraction-- the masses. It's the fear that authored Mao's Cultural Revolution, Stalin's Great Terror, and Deng's Tiananmen Square. The continuing Chinese story of free markets and fettered mind tells us that we have not come very far. It's not that China will win this war against the Internet--or information. It can't. This war of the paranoid brings out the fallibility of the power that, in the fantasy of those who celebrate the demise of the West, aspires to rule the world. Sometime in the future, a Google search will bring up the defeat of the last Big Lie through a billion results.
The volte face by the US on China will almost certainly have implications for India’s relationships with both countries, as it would in any such strategic triangle. New Delhi will now face critical choices in coming months on a range of issues, but it is unlikely that a single formula will guide it through what could be a turbulent period....The Indian leadership was quick to anticipate the possibility of a closer US-China relationship, and the implications it would have for Indian interests. It must now be equally nimble in reacting to what could well be a nasty break-up.
Strange how democratic presidents end up doing exact opposite of what they promised once they come to power - Clinton wanted to be firm with 'tyrants in Beijing' but ended up bowing to them, Obama started off with a big bow and now has suddenly developed self-respect and grown b..s.Hari Seldon wrote:^^^Right.
And now we have the yanquis bestowing upon the unused, bemused (not to mention, amused) yindooze the vainglorious title of 'partner in maintaining security in IOR'.
Where's the lungi dance icon, quick?!?!
Child-care, Chinese style: Father chains two-year-old son to tree while he's at work to foil abductors!
Last I checked, our quasi-diplomatic post in Taipei issued regular stamps on Taiwanese passports.Nihat wrote:What kind of visas do we Issue to visitors from Taiwan ?