News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 May 2011 10:00

Dear Dr MMS, this is how you deal with terrorists. Not by inviting them to cricket matches.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 May 2011 10:01

I also feel as though the helicopter with osama may have crossed into india.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 10:01

I wish they had gotten him alive.
He would have given out the dirty secret between the ISI and Al Qaida.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 02 May 2011 10:01

I'm heading to the deaf and dumb forum to enjoy the fun there!

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 May 2011 10:01

so India was at least informed of some kind of an op??? without specifics how did they approve such a thing? you can't have helicopters crossing over from Pakistan without any care. so India knew of a highly important op which couldn't be trusted with regular Paki sources???

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 May 2011 10:01

Singha: The implication is that India was involved in this ops, no?

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 02 May 2011 10:02

ArmenT wrote: Another explanation: Who do you think supplied the radars
Or superior jamming tech. Operation Desert Storm was opened by a few helos that flew under Iraqi radar and knocked out their early warning systems. USAF has experience in such matters.

Cannot imagine the panic it would have caused in the Radar control room

Also, once the radars and jammed, then I guess the "strategic assets" like OBL would know immediately that something is up, but because his mansion was not equipped with internet or telephone, the courier might have reached there after he got his 72

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 02 May 2011 10:02

^^^ GD, you could be onto something here. Note that we were discussing a USN submarine docking at Goa for crew R&R a few days ago! They could have contained the Navy seals for this top level classified op and crossed over from desh at yellowsea!

The hidden hand revealing itself slowly! Remember a phrase used by Dileep in his spy story about the rays of the ruby shining through the lidless eyes of the king cobra!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 02 May 2011 10:02

Location of Osama's hideout

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 02 May 2011 10:03

suryag wrote:Shame on Pakistan for harbouring Osama Bin Laden close to military academy

Probably the sentence should be like this "Shame on Pakistan for loosing Osama Bin Laden despite being close to military academy."

I hoped President Obama should have congratulated Kiyani and PA for their roles in killing OBL and should have announced a token 1 Billion $ as a gesture.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 02 May 2011 10:03

From CNN:
a) Killed in compound
b) Forensic evidence used to confirm. Body in US custody.
c)Choppers flew in from Afghanistan
d)One chopper crashed due to technical reasons, no one hurt, SEALS blew up downed chopper.
e) No SEALS hurt. Four people killed in the compound including a woman who was being used as a human shield. (ewwwwww to human shield)
f) Loaded statement from Obama "......as a result of our partenrship with Pakistan. Hope to see this cooperation continuuing". Words to that effect.
g) All American assets overseas on high alert.

Now that pakis will get heavier weapons to destroy Osama's navy, airforce and armoured regiments.

On the topic of Osama being in Pakistan, Indian intelligence, and this was reported in ToI and India Today, over 5 years back, had provided sataellite imagery of a convoy carrying Osama and his gang close to the Aksai Chin border!

And Pakistani cooperation? Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Anyways there are going to be an increase in terrorist activity in Pakistan for sure. The more US praises them, the more the local terrorists in Pakistan are going to hit back!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 May 2011 10:04

He could not have been at Abbotabad without the Pakistani intelligence ever knowing about that.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 02 May 2011 10:04

shiv wrote:
lakshmikanth wrote:I guess with so much security around the military cantt. area, an unannounced stray heli would be a target for Anti-Aircraft/Heli weapons. And since its so close to LOC, what did not prevent the TSP from thinking its an INDIAN op and lob a few missiles at us?

I am really really curious on how this was avoided by the ops team, They must have flow very very low, much lower than what a radar angle can capture.
The Yanqui dogs would have jammed everything

Or used a very silent chopper using noise-canceling rotor blades.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 02 May 2011 10:04

SwamyG wrote:Singha: The implication is that India was involved in this ops, no?

Singha-saar/SwamyG-saar, this is a self-goal and should be avoided. US should get full credit and pakistan no credit. Beyond that, let us not speculate

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 May 2011 10:04

NDTV reporter says "Chidambaram who is considered a hawk when it comes to India Pak relations..." reporting about India's official statement. WTF.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 02 May 2011 10:05

The mansion was owned by the D-company per unconfirmed reports.

ManishH · Post by **ManishH** » 02 May 2011 10:05

Singhaji - I think Paki ECM facing LoC is quite strong. They must have weaker ECM facing west.

No credit to TSP here ...

A senior administration official told reporters that U.S. President Barack Obama's administration did not share intelligence gathered before the attack on bin Laden in Pakistan with any other country - including Pakistan - for security reasons.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 02 May 2011 10:05

hnair wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Singha: The implication is that India was involved in this ops, no?
Singha-saar/SwamyG-saar, this is a self-goal and should be avoided. US should get full credit and pakistan no credit. Beyond that, let us not speculate

No, methinks there is a definite connection between USN sub docking at Goa instead of Diego Garcia and today's development!

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 May 2011 10:06

Ayesha Siddiqua on NDTV: if Americans walk away from the region, then dynamics change totally.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 10:06

The helicopter has crossed over to Afghanistan, possibly straight to Bagram Airbase.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 10:07

only at PMO and AHQ level. just quietly let a C5 galaxy land in some suitable airbase as evening falls. unload the two helis over next few hrs, attach rotors and launch the ops, recover back to same base, pack up the MH60s and clear indian airspace by dawn. after that its just another USAF logistical flight flitting around the world..one of dozens daily. 100km roundtrip vs 600km - probability of things screwing up and far far more in these nighttime missions longer it drags along.

300km one way from jalalabad is a long hike and back again. maybe the MH60 pave hawk with the outrigger catamaran style tanks could do it...

Paki ECM is all american ECM..they know how to swat it aside...and they fire up radars (military ones capable of low level detection) only in times of stress not just 24x7. india does the same thing, just SOP.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 02 May 2011 10:09

With ref. to Nishant: The US may withdraw, it has a good reason...but you sir appear to live in la la land.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 May 2011 10:10

lakshmikanth wrote:I guess with so much security around the military cantt. area, an unannounced stray heli would be a target for Anti-Aircraft/Heli weapons. And since its so close to LOC, what did not prevent the TSP from thinking its an INDIAN op and lob a few missiles at us?

I am really really curious on how this was avoided by the ops team, They must have flow very very low, much lower than what a radar angle can capture.

this may be close to LOC but this is the heartland of pakistan and must see heavy military air traffic all year around. US flies around pakistan all the time and all they need to say is 'we would be moving 2 helos (say) from point A in afg to point B in pakistan' where the line joining A and B passes over abottabad. they have no need to tell the pakis/ISI about the ops.
once ops start, they can say 'we have a situation here, don't interfere'

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 02 May 2011 10:10

SwamyG wrote:CNN talking about frayed relations between TSP and Bald Eagle. Why are they moving the body to Afg? Pakistani Intelligence confirms the death. Pakistani spin - Pakistani Intel helped US intel. GUBO begins.

Pakistan is good with preemptive media spin. Wolf Blitzer of CNN still not buying the Paki intel part.

it was a U.S operation. Surely without anyone in Pakistan knowing. Then they got there from Afghanistan, there was a firefight. Killed the terrorist. Got his body and flew back to the base in Afghanistan.

Don't know how they got deep inside Pakistan and how they got back after executing the operation.

ManishH · Post by **ManishH** » 02 May 2011 10:11

Interesting info Singhaji. Do you think the launch could have been from the US embassy or one of the consulates, and egress to Af ?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 May 2011 10:11

Finally, sri Obama lives somewhat upto his nobel peace prize. Der hi sahi ...To truly live upto the globel peace prize though, Obama would've to recover the bodies of the Pak army brass after a firefight at GHQ.

Meanwhile more dossiers en route from Dilli, spomeone on GOI has reacted to these events officially, at least.

@PTI_News Killing of bin Laden underlines India's concern that terrorists belonging to different groups find sanctuary in Pakistan; Chidambaram.

P.S.
Been tring a while to p[ublish this but this darn dhaga moves so fast, its hard to get the post in only.

vina · Post by **vina** » 02 May 2011 10:12

Singha wrote:the nearest US jump points in afghanistan (jalalabad) are 300 of km away across rugged terrain. jacobabad and dalbandin are way off to the SW.
so methinks the US helis must have crossed over from the indian side which is onlee 50km away and moved at tree top level, before again exiting into India - the safest place for this op.

then pack up the surviving heli into a C5 at a mil airbase and decamp.

Yes. This is the most plausible. The closest place to hit was from Across the LOC. I would put my money on it. 300Km across Pakiland by heli is too much of a distance.

But what a heck of an operation. Brilliantly executed from all accounts.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 10:12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_HH-60_Pave_Hawk

range 600km with outrigger tanks. so maybe a MC130J would have refueled them on the way back if they came and went from AF. if from IND, then no need...even a half tank is enough.

or IND could just be the ending point (more likely, as they had lost a heli and a hornets nest was being strirred) or starting point (less likely - to preserve total opsec) with the other end being AF.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 02 May 2011 10:13

Singha, the US might have used choppers that they keep in their consulates too.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 02 May 2011 10:13

RoyG wrote:I also feel as though the helicopter with osama may have crossed into india.

If allowed on BRf... plz post some quotable quotes from our Deaf n dumbers

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 02 May 2011 10:13

I love the mention PAKISTAN is getting in US newspapers!

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 02 May 2011 10:14

rajanb wrote:From CNN:
c)Choppers flew in from Afghanistan
d)One chopper crashed due to technical reasons, no one hurt, SEALS blew up downed chopper.
!

Shot down by the Pakis?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 10:14

helis in consulate is news to me: but do they keep SOAR MH-60 types or just a couple cobra gunships to scare the local taliban off ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 10:14

Abbottabad is 370 Km from Bagram Airbase just north of Kabul (outskirts of Kabul)
It is 250 km from Jalalabad airbase.

So well within helo reach. And the Pakistan-Afghanistan border has scarce manning and almost no SAM coverage.

No possibility of any helos crossing from India / LOC to abbottabad. The LOC is heavily infested with SAMs and people tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

jarugn · Post by **jarugn** » 02 May 2011 10:15

No other nation was warned! Osama resisted! Bush, Others Hail Bin Laden's Death | n.pr/mNbzAO

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 02 May 2011 10:15

Rahul M wrote: this may be close to LOC but this is the heartland of pakistan and must see heavy military air traffic all year around. US flies around pakistan all the time and all they need to say is 'we would be moving 2 helos (say) from point A in afg to point B in pakistan' where the line joining A and B passes over abottabad. they have no need to tell the pakis/ISI about the ops.
once ops start, they can say 'we have a situation here, don't interfere'

The location of the "situation" would have browned a LOT of pants!

wig · Post by **wig** » 02 May 2011 10:15

maybe the US helcopters used this system/programe to make the paki radar network misread the approaching special forces helicopters

Suter is a military computer program developed by BAE Systems that attacks computer networks and communications systems belonging to an enemy. Development of the program has been managed by Big Safari, a secret unit of the United States Air Force. It is specialised to interfere with the computers of integrated air defence systems.[1]

Three generations of Suter have been developed. Suter 1 allows its operators to monitor what enemy radar operators can see. Suter 2 lets them take control of the enemy's networks and direct their sensors. Suter 3, tested in summer 2006, enables the invasion of links to time-critical targets such as battlefield ballistic missile launchers or mobile surface-to-air missile launchers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suter_(computer_program)

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 May 2011 10:16

IB and other security agencies must be on high alert after this.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 May 2011 10:16

Gagan wrote:The helicopter has crossed over to Afghanistan, possibly straight to Bagram Airbase.

CNN/Fox stating the helis flew from a paki base.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 May 2011 10:16

American psyche and morale had been going down for more than a decade now; One problem after the other. Clinton Monica scandal, Gore-Bush election issue, Bush, 9/11, Afg war, Iraq war, Internet bubble, Real Estate bubble, Enron scandal, BP oil spill, Katrina, Economic crisis..... there was nothing to be proud of in the last 10-15 years.

Now this happens. So for youngsters who had only read and heard about the old USA now will see their country with renewed respect. 9/11 united them for a brief while, this will ignite their passions. The idea of Justice will be drilled again and again. With the Middle East civil wars etc.... this is big. Contrast this with our desi youngsters born in the 90s and later, India has seen prosperity and growth - the attitude has been very good among Indians. This was missing in maasa; now this will return.

What remains to be seen is, if this will get them out of the deep deep economic poo they are in now. They managed after the 30s depression, after WWII etc.

Time will tell; meanwhile there will be lots of patting on the back and milking the situation for personal gains,.