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Jhujar wrote:http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/10/the-call-of-nature.html
The call of nature ==

is common in both countries to see men standing or squatting against a wall or a tree. The amount of ammonia absorbed by the soil must make it some of the most fertile in the world. But women have a harder time. Many girls in Pakistan don`t go to school because there are no separate toilets for them. ( Do they have girl schools)So why can`t our governments address this issue after over six decades of independent rule? After all, this is not rocket science we are talking about. Most countries, many poorer than India and Pakistan, have provided their citizens with piped water and waste disposal systems.The answer, I suspect, is that our ruling classes

RCase wrote:Interesting read on why Pakistan behaves this way. I find it interesting that piskologically, most Pakis fit the following behavior pattern:

1. First response is to deny or lie.
2. Bluster, bravado, defiance and threats.
3. When confronted with stark reality, downhill ski and pretend HSR&D is maintained.

This can be applied to scenarios from the recent past like 1971, OBL incident, Veenaji and FHM, 24 jihadis on a remote mountain top embracing hellfires, economic figures, Zardari's hijrat to Dubai etc.

Doc ji - would appreciate your professional pisko analysis of the Paki mindset.

RajeshA wrote: Should we all grow long beards and finish off the Pakjabis then?

shiv wrote:
Pisko time!!

A nishaan-e-hyder to the guy who pointed out that Indians think Pakistan is a separate country, but Pakistanis think they are as separate vote bank in India. Note the refs to "our" and "our governments" from this shitistani.

But folks - it is the Pakistaniyat in us that makes us Indians refer to our politicians and government as "ruling casses". There is no separate ruling class in India. There definitely is, in Pakistan. But yet we act like shitistanis when we refer to our elected folks as "ruling class".

SSridhar wrote:vishvak, the houbara bustards are critically endangered species and yet the hunting goes on year after year in Sind & Balochistan. What does it show ? It shows that the much hyped about sovereignty is lost to the Princes and Princelings of the desert Kingdoms. One doubts if Pakistan has the will to muster courage to ask these royalty to return the ceded territories and stop hunting. FATA is already lost to the 'Islamic Emirate' and NWFP was almost lost by 2008 before partially retrieved. China has taken over GB and creeping into the rest of PoK. Punjab is lost to the Punjabi Taliban. The National Capital Region of Islamabad is lost to the Laal Masjid thugs. Karachi is lost to Muhajirs and the Pashtun. Balochistan has been on the boil since 1948. Quetta, for long, has been under Afghan Pashtun control. Naval bases, air bases, military-industrial complexes, and nuclear weapon sites have all come under attack and have been barely defended. So, where does the writ of the state run except within the perimeter of the GHQ ? Even that was attempted to be taken over in 2009.

Meanwhile, the ‘memo tension’ reached its peak on Sunday last. And it was Sunday at 8pm when President Zardari held a 45-minute telephonic talk with American Ambassador Cameron Munter in a state of severe anger, as reported by sources privy to the developments.

Soon after that, President Zardari received a call from President Obama that continued for about 25 minutes. Sources said the president was visibly upset during this conversation, and that’s why American Foreign Policy magazine, quoting US president’s office sources, reported that the President Zardari’s talk lacked coherence. No denial had come so far in this regard from the Obama administration.

Sources said these telephonic talks result in a health condition of the president. Beads of perspiration stood out on his forehead; he felt giddy and fell on the ground, according to the sources. Doctors were called in, who found out that the president’s blood pressure had dipped very low. More doctors were called out, the president was administered medicines, and he started feeling well.

President Asif Ali Zardari is telling his friends and acquaintances that he and his government are the target of the United States.
Sohail Warraich, senior journalist and Geo anchorperson, said on Saturday in the Meray Mutabiq show that the president recently spoke to him and disclosed that he and his government are not threatened by anyone inside Pakistan but by Washington.
According to another source, who also claimed to have recently talked to the president, Zardari is of the view that Washington has aligned with Nawaz Sharif against the Zardari-led PPP and the Pakistani establishment — the Pakistan Army and the ISI.

SSridhar wrote: It shows that the much hyped about sovereignty is lost to the Princes and Princelings of the desert Kingdoms. One doubts if Pakistan has the will to muster courage to ask these royalty to return the ceded territories and stop hunting... ...

KABUL: The United States and Afghanistan are in talks about drawing up an agreement that would govern many aspects of the US-Afghan relationship after the end of 2014."I'm feeling pretty good about where we are sitting in terms of being able to conclude a strategic partnership," US Ambassador to Kabul Ryan Crocker said. "Some aspects of that will be security. It will not set troop levels," he said, adding that no date had been fixed for the expected finalisation of the agreement.Beyond the end of 2014, there may well be scope for an ongoing military presence, as the Afghan army will need training and technical assistance."There is nothing in the Lisbon declaration on 2014 that precludes an international military presence beyond 2014," Crocker said. "That is to be determined by the parties ... as we get closer to that date. We've said it's going to be an Afghan request, they would need to ask for it, but I can certainly see us saying 'yes, it makes sense'," he said.American plans to withdraw many of its near-100,000 Afghan-based troops by next September, bringing numbers down to 68,000

The trouble with us Pakistanis is that we have too much hatred in our hearts and too little imagination in our heads to fully appreciate people for their confidence and perseverance alone, if nothing else.Look at the poor president for instance. He takes all sorts of pressure from all sides for too long, falls ill eventually, goes for a check-up abroad, and all hell breaks loose.I mean what does a president need to do to fall ill in peace around here?And speaking of Zardari
Question: What is common between Veena Malik and president Zardari?
Answer: Both of them have the maximum number of enemies in Pakistan, and both of them don’t give a flying UFO to that.
And then there is more.Both of them are ambitious, both take calculated risks, both are shrewd enough to know what they are getting themselves into, and both bask in the glory of the aftermath these risks generate.

Question: What is common between Veena Malik and an average Pakistani?
Answer: Both of them need attention, and now!!

abhishek_sharma wrote:Why does Pakistan behave like this ? Part - II: Pakistan Watch Blog

menon s wrote:

President Asif Ali Zardari is telling his friends and acquaintances that he and his government are the target of the United States.
Sohail Warraich, senior journalist and Geo anchorperson, said on Saturday in the Meray Mutabiq show that the president recently spoke to him and disclosed that he and his government are not threatened by anyone inside Pakistan but by Washington.
According to another source, who also claimed to have recently talked to the president, Zardari is of the view that Washington has aligned with Nawaz Sharif against the Zardari-led PPP and the Pakistani establishment — the Pakistan Army and the ISI.

i think its nothing but "Taqiyya" or dissimulation. by Zardari.

“Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause”

Turmoil and Triumph : My Years As Secretary of state

FWIW.

MSNBC: Pakistan says U.S. drones in its air space will be shot down

Pakistani security personnel examine a crashed US surveillance drone inside Pakistan in August.

jrjrao wrote: And the photo under this caption is this:

jrjrao wrote:FWIW.

MSNBC: Pakistan says U.S. drones in its air space will be shot down

SSridhar wrote:This drone is very SDRE looking. Are the TFTA Americans also acquiring Indian characteristics now that they are moving away from TFTA mard to SDRE Hindus ?

On the flight back, my co-passenger who moved to Karachi after marriage, was filling out endless forms. “I don't wear gold when I go out and I cover my hair. I am so relieved to go to Mumbai,” she says.

Co-education schools are under attack in the city, like Sufi or Sunni mosques and terror surfaces in new unexpected ways. At the University of Karachi, with 70 per cent women students, bright posters advertise: “Let's rock the party.” Opposite there is a flowery printed message from the moral police, the Islami Jamiat Talibat (Girls wing). “You live in the East but your hearts are in the West.”

Outside the Karachi Press Club a not so liberal graffiti says, “ We are proud of Mumtaz Qadri (who shot Sindh governor Salman Taseer). We don't like cowards.”

“Women drive cars here,” people say proudly

For a country where liquor is supposed to be restricted, Scotch flows freely (thankfully) in elite drawing rooms, complete with “bearers”. If you are well-heeled, life can be tolerable in this city.

SSridhar wrote:A City on the Edge- Karachi by Ms. Meena Menon, The Hindu

Outside the Karachi Press Club a not so liberal graffiti says, “ We are proud of Mumtaz Qadri (who shot Sindh governor Salman Taseer). We don't like cowards.”

The Pakistani Taliban is in peace talks with the Pakistani government, a senior commander in the militant group said on Saturday. He said negotiations were “progressing well” and could soon end in a formal agreement.

The statement by Maulvi Faqir Mohammad is the first time a named Taliban commander has confirmed that the group is negotiating with the Pakistani government.

But it is unclear whether he speaks for entirety of the loose-knit network, which is believed to have splintered into different factions over the last year.

Mohammad, who is recognised by many in both Pakistan's militant movements and its government as the deputy chief of the Pakistani Taliban, said his men had held “peace talks with relevant government officials”.

“They are progressing well, and we may soon sign a formal peace agreement with the government,” he said in a telephone conversation.

Asked about the alleged negotiations, Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said his government followed a policy of “dialogue, deterrence and development” to tackle militancy. “That is a continuing process,” he told a local television station, giving no more details.

A Pakistani Taliban spokesman on Sunday denied an earlier announcement by the militant group's deputy chief that it was holding peace talks with the government.

The conflicting claims are a clear sign of splits within the movement, which could make it even harder to end the violent insurgency gripping the country.

Spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan denied the claims, saying there would be no negotiations until the government imposed Islamic law, or Shariah, in the country. He has previously denied reports of peace talks by unnamed commanders and intelligence officials.

"Talks by a handful of people with the government cannot be deemed as the Taliban talking," Ehsan said on telephone from an undisclosed location.

But another commander, Mullah Dadullah, also now claims to be Taliban chief in Bajur. Dadullah contacted the AP on Sunday and denied the group, also known as the Tehrik-e-Taliban, or TTP, was negotiating with the government.

"As TTP chief responsible for Bajur, I am categorically saying there are no talks going on between the government and the Tehrik-e-Taliban at the Bajur level or the central level," Dadullah said, also speaking from an undisclosed location.

Ehsan, the spokesman, said Dadullah rather than Mohammed was the head of the Pakistani Taliban in Bajur.

Anujan wrote:

jrjrao wrote:FWIW.

MSNBC: Pakistan says U.S. drones in its air space will be shot down

US Should issue a tit for tat response that any Pakistani flying in US airspace will be shot.

harbans wrote:Just saw that pic of burning tankers in the Baki thread. By burning the oil and tankers wouldn't the road be damaged? These tankers would also belong to some pvt transport Paki company. IF the Amercians say they don't pay for the oil till it reaches them, then Paki's really are burning their own assets, trucks and roads really.

harbans wrote:Just saw that pic of burning tankers in the Baki thread. By burning the oil and tankers wouldn't the road be damaged? These tankers would also belong to some pvt transport Paki company. IF the Amercians say they don't pay for the oil till it reaches them, then Paki's really are burning their own assets, trucks and roads really.

Narad wrote:
What a ****** retard this meena menon !!

National Public Radio host Steve Inskeep has sought to narrate the story through the periscope of a particular event - the horrific bombing of a Shia procession on the occasion of Ashura on December 28, 2009. Not only was the procession, which marks the tenth day of Muharram, bombed, but the Jinnah hospital, to which many of the casualties were taken, was also targeted by a bomb placed in a computer monitor that did not go off.

The writer somewhat whimsically follows various threads of his own story and seeks to give a portrait of what he calls the Instant City, which grew from 350,000 in 1941 to a metropolis of 13 million. Incidentally, Delhi, which had a population of 900,000 in 1941, has more than 20 million inhabitants, if you take into account the NCR towns of Noida and Gurgaon, Ghaziabad and Faridabad. But India's capital city, which, too, grew in great measure because of refugees from Pakistan, does not have the kind of ethnic tension that Karachi has developed.

The reasons for the violence in the city are a secular turf battle between its principal ethnic groups - the Mohajirs, or refugees from India, who form the majority of the city; the Pakhtuns, who arrived there in large numbers following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; and the Sindhis, who are the original natives the city.

Let me make a prediction: Pakistan-US relations will soon return to what passes for normal and any major scaling back of ties will remain at the sole discretion of the US. Pakistan simply remains too profoundly and strategically dependent on the US for any other outcome.

Since its inception, Pakistan has defined its security pre-eminently in military terms and pursued an increasingly untenable military balance with India. The strategic arithmetic of this position is as clear today as it was to Pakistani leaders in 1947: an abiding foreign policy of military confrontation with a foe possessing overwhelming strategic superiority can only be sustained with a powerful, external patron who is militarily, diplomatically and economically underwriting Pakistan’s position.

But the civilian-military entente on India has fragmented since the late 1980s. Most political leaders worth their salt understand that Pakistani peace and prosperity, the legitimacy of civilian rule and the key to keeping the military confined to the barracks, are all tied to a settlement with India. Disposable civilian governments, military adventures like the Kargil fiasco, and even the recent choreographed furore over Most Favoured Nation (MFN) trade status for India are all signposts of military pushback against a potential settlement.

Even now, the military establishment’s real fear is not continuing a servile relationship with the US, but the approaching reality of a return to the 1990s, when Pakistan faded into insignificance for US foreign policy. This fear is now mingled with terror at the prospect of the US forging an alliance with India instead, something a break in relations could hasten.

Despite misinformed assertions to the contrary, China possesses neither the political will, nor the economic clout or military muscle to replace US largesse. With an eye on Uighur unrest, China is also increasingly sceptical of Pakistan’s proxy jihadists, a dangerously infectious disease cultivated in Pakistan’s anti-India military laboratory. More obviously, it makes little sense to swap dependency on the US for China.

For the first time since the Partition of the Subcontinent, India's relations with Pakistan and the United States appear in a better shape than those between Islamabad and Washington. But the UPA government, which appears to have lost its way at home, seems incapable of exploiting a rare strategic opportunity that has presented itself.

ISLAMABAD: As part of its endeavour to expand rail network to Europe, Central Asia and Middle East, Pakistan is set to become member of Inter-governmental Organization for International Carriage by Rail (OTIF) soon, said Minister for Railways Haji Ghulam Ahmed Bilour on Sunday.

Talking to media, he said that OTIF membership would help Pakistan to have contracts of carriage for the international carriage of passengers and goods, dangerous goods{read terrorists and clown jewels} , use of vehicles, use of railway infrastructure and validation of technical standards and adoption of uniform technical prescriptions for railway material. Federal cabinet has already given its consent to the membership, the minister added.

Biolur said there is no bottleneck in getting the OTIF membership rather things were going smooth. He said now the railways ministry would move a summary to the Prime Minister for final approval and once the process is finalized, Pakistan would be in the position to expand its international rail operations to the other regions.

ISLAMABAD: General (r) Ziauddin Khawaja, former DG ISI, has disclosed for the first time that North Korea had attempted to bribe him by providing him 0.5 million US dollars in Benazir Bhutto’s last tenure as prime minister, in 1995.

“They wanted an expedited cooperation between the two countries on the missile programme, which was going on between the two countries in that era,” said General (r) Ziauddin while exclusively talking to Dawn at his Lahore residence.

Khawaja, was heading the Directorate of Combat Development, currently known as Strategic Plans Division (SPD). He was directly involved in Pakistan’s defense agreements with North Korea.

The retired general while answering a question said that, a bag full of dollars was actually dropped in his office by a North Korean General Kang who at that time was serving as Defence and Commercial Attache in the North Korean Embassy located in Islamabad.

Khawaja asked General Kang why he was giving him such a large amount of cash. The North Korean General told him that his government is distributing money among the relevant officers dealing in defence cooperation with his country.

General Khawaja said that he immediately informed the then Chief of General Staff (CGS) General Jahangir Karamat who spoke to the then Chief of Army Staff General Abdul Waheed Kakar who was on a foreign trip at the time.

Khawaja added that General Waheed consulted with Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and ordered him to return the money after two or three days.

“General Kang was called at the Headquarters of the Military Intelligence, General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, where the money was returned to him by the then MI Chief, Major General Ali Kuli Khan in my presence,” said Khawaja.

Ziauddin Khawaja is living a retired life in Lahore these days. He was nominated Chief of Army Staff by the former prime minister Mian Nawaz Sharif, on 12th October 1999 soon after the removal of General Pervez Musharraf but the orders of the prime minister could not see the light of day as the military launched a coup.