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Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 03 Feb 2013 22:02
by nawabs
No proof juvenile most violent, CJI Altamas Kabir says

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 312139.cms?
The Chief Justice of India (CJI), Altamas Kabir, on Saturday said that it was not yet proven that the juvenile, sixth accused in the Delhi gang-rape case, was the most violent.

"Branding the juvenile as the most violent is but a creation of media as of now. At this stage, we don't know who did what in the brutal gang-rape of the student, but everything will become clear soon. Till then, we all should wait," said the CJI, who was in Patiala on Saturday to preside over the first convocation of Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law (RGNLU), Punjab and award degrees to students.

Justice Kabir reiterated that he too wanted to protest against Delhi gang rape but could not and that the gruesome gang-rape of the girl has awakened the country from deep slumber.

"But it's not the only heinous case of crime against women. Such crimes against women keep surfacing in our country and we have now put all such cases on fast track," said the CJI.

On the demand for harshest punishment even to juveniles, who commit gruesome crimes against women like rape, CJI said, "Someone below 18 years of age comes under minor category and the law takes its course as per the law of the land."

He said that, after putting all rape cases on fast track across the country, they have now decided to focus on pending cases, where petitioners or accused have died but cases are still going on in various courts.

"We would start from Supreme Court. In the coming some days, we would establish two special benches of SC to fast track all such cases. One court would decide civil cases while other would decide criminal cases," said the CJI.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 03 Feb 2013 22:13
by ramana
Isn't the matter subjudice? Or Mr Kabir batting for his fellow religionist?

I think he is the biggest enabler of rapists by his sitting on the Kerala rape ase for 17 years?

Forget about other heinous crimes, what are you doing about the current Delhi gang rape case? By pointing to other cases he is derelict in his duties.

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Also the media reports what was told to them by 'nameless' shameless sources. Its not like media has its won way of creating news. So Mr. Kabir blaming the media for making public the perpetrator's behavior is wrong. He should blame the sources for despite the gag order they are leaking info.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 03 Feb 2013 23:09
by g.sarkar
Theo_Fidel wrote:OK. So we really are without hope in this case. Just have to make sure this does not happen again. Lowering the age and enacting adult behavior exemptions like other countries have had to do is a good start.
It is easy for me to say this but we should do anything vigilante like to the Juvenile. We must be a society of laws and follow them. There is no hope for us otherwise.
Thoeji,
In the US, they have the concept of "adult time for adult crime", where juveniles are tried as adults for certain crimes such as murder, rape or assault with deadly weapon etc. These laws came about due to public outcry after horrific crimes committed by under-age accused who then were being let go after spending just months in juvenile prisons, when their victims were either dead or had to bear the consequences of the perpetrator's actions for the rest of their life. Unfortunately, and this is just my opinion, these laws have not proved to be a solution in any great measure to the problem.
Gautam

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 03 Feb 2013 23:15
by IndraD

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 03 Feb 2013 23:32
by IndraD
ramana wrote:Isn't the matter subjudice? Or Mr Kabir batting for his fellow religionist?

I think he is the biggest enabler of rapists by his sitting on the Kerala rape ase for 17 years?

Forget about other heinous crimes, what are you doing about the current Delhi gang rape case? By pointing to other cases he is derelict in his duties.
I wish CJI had said this when people were on the road , and he would have been given befitting reply. Notably CJI has also said in last week that ' A swift trial should not be at the cost of a fair trial," [ :eek: ] http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/0 ... 5W20130103

In the account of incidence given to parents, victim has clearly told that juvenile was the most violent and he should be burnt alive.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 01:49
by IndraD
When asked about the possibility that the test may yield results in the minor's favour, he (victim's father) said: "I cannot challenge the court's decision. Let the people decide what his punishment should be.
"

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/upro ... 48119.html

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130203/n ... ra-pradesh
Juvenile accused in 59 rapes in AP

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 02:47
by Anindya
Folks - is there any verifiable truth to this?

Hindu Women in India found raped and chopped into pieces by Muslims.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 04:00
by krisna

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 05:33
by ramana
While its important, WSJ should also post a rape map of US.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 06:19
by uddu
nawabs wrote:On the demand for harshest punishment even to juveniles, who commit gruesome crimes against women like rape, CJI said, "Someone below 18 years of age comes under minor category and the law takes its course as per the law of the land."
The law of the land be changed. Or else the people will make their own law.
Its very saddening to note the person who is supposed to bat for victims of the crime trying to defend a criminal by saying he is not that and he is not that. On what basis he came to the conclusion that he is not the most brutal when he had raped a women? Is rape not a brutal kind of crime in the first place?
Also age must not be a detrimental factor in punishing the criminals. Else the law of the land will be like a Bhisma putting down the bow and arrows in front of Shikhandi.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 06:42
by uddu
Another important point to make is that the term "rarest of the rare" This is the most insulting term in the law book that need to be removed at the earliest. On what basis one term it as rarest of the rare case? When rapes do happen and brutal crimes take place daily will someone raped will get justice? will the criminal get death penalty because it's not a rare case and rapes have become a common thing. How to get around it? Make death penalty for rapists and ensure that who bat for the criminals are punished for speaking for the criminals and trying to defend them in any manner. I am very angry with the political and judiciary for being pro-criminal and anti-people for such a long long time. If they don't change the rules in favour of the people, the people will change or atleast i will for sure. :evil:

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 07:53
by member_23629
^^^ Harebrained judges are obsessed with criminal rights -- this they think projects them as intellectually sophisticated They should now start getting obsessed with victim rights for a change.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 10:10
by chiru
Anindya wrote:Folks - is there any verifiable truth to this?

Hindu Women in India found raped and chopped into pieces by Muslims.
an image search came out with this info
In apparent gang related violence in lawless El Salvador, two girls were dismembered and their body parts deposited in black garbage bags on a back country road. Even though no further info came with the pictures

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 14:42
by krishnan
Anindya wrote:Folks - is there any verifiable truth to this?

Hindu Women in India found raped and chopped into pieces by Muslims.
maybe NSFW and highly graphic.....

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 16:21
by Pratyush
IndraD wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/for-s ... x/1068731/

Rape is surprise sex-Sunny Leone

What about the consent of the women with whom the man has "Surprise Sex"?

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 16:42
by krishnan
one of the comments says its not her tweet...

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 20:25
by chaanakya
uddu wrote:Another important point to make is that the term "rarest of the rare" This is the most insulting term in the law book that need to be removed at the earliest. On what basis one term it as rarest of the rare case? When rapes do happen and brutal crimes take place daily will someone raped will get justice? will the criminal get death penalty because it's not a rare case and rapes have become a common thing. How to get around it? Make death penalty for rapists and ensure that who bat for the criminals are punished for speaking for the criminals and trying to defend them in any manner. I am very angry with the political and judiciary for being pro-criminal and anti-people for such a long long time. If they don't change the rules in favour of the people, the people will change or atleast i will for sure. :evil:
Rarest of the rare is not in any statute Book. I dont think while prescribing death penalty for certain offences legislative intent was to make it applicable in only rarest of the rare cases. This has come about by interpretation of the constitution and fundamental rights of the citizen giving right to life as one of the most fundamental of rights. Therefore punishment of Death has been treated as an exception and life as a rule.

What Judges failed to see that thier interpretation has trampled upon the victims rights. The concept of Rarest of the Rare is nothing but a cruel joke upon the Justice and a travesty of highest order. Criminals can routinely start rape/gangrape, decoity, murder, acid attack and and leave a trail of lifetime of victims behind their cruel acts. Since instances would be so numerous that it would cease to be rarest of the rare and criminals can happily continue their heinous crimes under this new found immunity.

Victims are condemned to suffer our Judiciary and our Judges and Police and prosecution. Who wants to face a long ordeal before them I would think thousand times before getting involved with them as ordinary citizens. They could prove to be worst then the criminals.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 20:36
by chaanakya
On Death Penalty

http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1312651/
LAW ON DEATH PENALTY

A Constitution Bench of this Court in Bachan Singh v. State of Punjab [(1980) 2 SCC 684] repelled the challenge of constitutionality to death penalty by laying down the framework law on this point. Bachan Singh (supra) serves as a watershed moment in the history of death penalty jurisprudence in India as it severed Indian judiciary's normative ambivalence on the subject.

It was pronounced after the new legislative policy (in form of section 354(3) of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973) came into force. The impact of this legislative change was variously interpreted by this court, and this disparity in interpretation triggered Bachan Singh (supra). One such case, which had laid down an interpretation of section 354(3) was Rajendra Prasad v. State of Uttar Pradesh [(1979) 3 SCC 646]. Bachan Singh court noted that death penalty is acknowledged in the constitution. Also the new sentencing procedures were held to be to be in the nature of safeguards and as a guidance sentencing. The sentencing procedure was taken to be orienting the death punishment towards application in very selective situations. On the aforementioned reasoning, the court upheld death punishment, substantively and procedurally.

There are three broad values emerging from Bachan Singh (supra):

1. INDIVIDUALIZED SENTENCING

For an effective compliance of sentencing procedure under section 354(3) and section 235(2) Cr.P.C, sufficient discretion is a pre-condition. Strict channeling of discretion would also go against the founding principles of sentencing as it will prevent the sentencing court to identify and weigh various factors relating to the crime and the criminal such as culpability, impact on the society, gravity of offence, motive behind the crime etc. Bachan Singh (supra) also holds the same view. It was held in Bachan Singh (supra) that:

"173. Thirdly, a standardisation of the sentencing process which leaves little room for judicial discretion to take account of variations in culpability within single-offence category ceases to be judicial. It tends to sacrifice justice at the altar of blind uniformity. Indeed, there is a real danger of such mechanical standardisation degenerating into a bed of procrustean cruelty.

174. Fourthly, standardisation or sentencing discretion is a policy matter which belongs to the sphere of legislation. When Parliament as a matter of sound legislative policy, did not deliberately restrict, control or standardise the sentencing discretion any further than that is encompassed by the broad contours delineated in Section 354(3), the court would not by overleaping its bounds rush to do what Parliament, in its wisdom, warily did not do."
The court while discussing Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972) in this regard held the following:

"192. It appears to us that in Gregg v. Georgia and the companion cases, the Supreme Court of U.S.A. was obliged to read down the requirements of Furman and to accept these broadly worded, loose- ended and not-all-inclusive `standards' because in the area of sentencing discretion, if it was to retain its judicial character, exhaustive standardisation or perfect regulation was neither feasible nor desirable."

In this context, Saibanna v. State of Karnataka [(2005) 4 SCC 165] makes an interesting reading. The accused therein was a life convict. While on parole, he committed murder of his wife and daughter. This Court sentenced him to death on a reasoning, which effectively made death punishment mandatory for the category of offenders serving life sentence, opining:
"....A prisoner sentenced to life imprisonment is bound to serve the remainder of his life in prison unless the sentence is commuted or remitted and that such sentence could not be equated with any fixed term. (See Gopal Vinayak Godse vs. State of Maharashtra [(1961) 3 SCR 440]. If that be so, there could be no imposition of a second life term on the appellant before us as it would be a meaningless exercise.

18. In the teeth of Section 427(2) of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 it is doubtful whether a person already undergoing sentence of imprisonment for life can be visited with another term of imprisonment for life to run consecutively with the previous one.

Mandatory death punishment (prescribed under section 303 of Indian Penal Code) was stuck down as unconstitutional by this court in Mithu v. State of Punjab [AIR 1983 SC 473]. This court observed: "...If the law provides a mandatory sentence of death as Section 303 of the Penal Code does, neither Section 235(2) nor Section 354(3) of the Code of Criminal Procedure can possibly come into play. If the court has no option save to impose the sentence of death, it is meaningless to hear the accused on the question of sentence and it becomes superfluous to state the reasons for imposing the sentence of death. The blatant reason for imposing the sentence of death in such a case is that the law compels the court to impose that sentence. The ratio of Bachan Singh, therefore, is that, death sentence is Constitutional if it is prescribed as an alternative sentence for the offence of murder and if the normal sentence prescribed by law for murder is imprisonment for life."

Justice O. Chinnappa Reddy, J. in his concurring opinion agreed with the majority opinion and observed:

"25. Judged in the light shed by Maneka Gandhi and Bachan Singh, it is impossible to uphold Section 303 as valid. Section 303 excludes judicial discretion. The scales of justice are removed from the hands of the Judge so soon as he pronounces the accused guilty of the offence. So final, so irrevocable and so irrestitutable [sic irresuscitable] is the sentence of death that no law which provides for it without involvement of the judicial mind can be said to be fair, just and reasonable. Such a law must necessarily be stigmatised as arbitrary and oppressive. Section 303 is such a law and it must go the way of all bad laws. I agree with my Lord Chief Justice that Section 303, Indian Penal Code, must be struck down as unconstitutional." {See also Reyes v. R. [(2002) UKPC 11 : 12 BHRC 219], Hughes, R. v. (Saint Lucia) [(2002) UKPC 12], Fox v. The Queen (2002) 2 AC 284, Bowe v. The Queen (2006) 1 WLR 1623 and Coard & Ors. v. The Attorney General (Grenada), (2007) UKPC 7} Saibanna (supra) to that extent is inconsistent with Mithu (supra) and Bachan Singh (supra).

2. THRESHOLD OF RAREST OF RARE

2(A). Sentencing Procedure

The analytical tangle relating to sentencing procedure deserves some attention here. Sentencing procedure deserves an articulate and judicial administration. In this regard, all courts are equally responsible. Sentencing process should be so complied with, that enough information is generated to objectively inform the selection of penalty. The selection of penalty must not require a judge to reflect on his/her personal perception of crime. In Swamy Shraddananda @ Murali Manohar Mishra v. State of Karantaka [2008 (10) SCALE 669], the court notes that the awarding of sentence of death "depends a good deal on the personal predilection of the judges constituting the bench." This is a serious admission on the part of this court. In so far as this aspect is considered, there is inconsistency in how Bachan Singh (supra) has been implemented, as Bachan Singh (supra) mandated principled sentencing and not judge centric sentencing. There are two sides of the debate. It is accepted that rarest of rare case is to be determined in the facts and circumstance of a given case and there is no hard and fast rule for that purpose. There are no strict guidelines. But a sentencing procedure is suggested. This procedure is in the nature of safeguards and has an overarching embrace of rarest of rare dictum. Therefore, it is to be read with Article 21 and 14. Pre-sentence Hearing and "Special Reasons" Under section 235(2) and 354 (3) of the Criminal Procedure Code, there is a mandate as to a full fledged bifurcated hearing and recording of "special reasons" if the court inclines to award death penalty. In the specific backdrop of sentencing in capital punishment, and that the matter attracts constitutional prescription in full force, it is incumbent on the sentencing court to oversee comprehensive compliance to both the provisions. A scrupulous compliance of both provisions is necessary such that an informed selection of sentence could be based on the information collected and collated at this stage. Please see Santa Singh v. State of Punjab, [AIR 1956 SC 526], Malkiat Singh and Ors. v. State of Punjab, [(1991)4SCC341], Allaudin Mian v. State of Bihar, [AIR 1989 SC 1456], Muniappan v. State of Tamil Nadu, [( 1981 ) 3 SCC 11], Jumman Khan v. State of U.P, [(1991)1SCC752], Anshad and Ors. v. State of Karnataka, [(1994)4SCC381] on this.

Nature of Information to be Collated at Pre-sentence Hearing At this stage, Bachan Singh (supra) informs the content of the sentencing hearing. The court must play a proactive role to record all relevant information at his stage. Some of the information relating to crime can be culled out from the phase prior to sentencing hearing. This information would include aspects relating to the nature, motive and impact of crime, culpability of convict etc. Quality of evidence adduced is also a relevant factor. For instance, extent of reliance on circumstantial evidence or child witness plays an important role in the sentencing analysis. But what is sorely lacking, in most capital sentencing cases, is information relating to characteristics and socio-economic background of the offender. This issue was also raised in the 48th report of the Law Commission. Circumstances which may not have been pertinent in conviction can also play an important role in the selection of sentence. Objective analysis of the probability that the accused can be reformed and rehabilitated can be one such illustration. In this context, guideline no. 4 in the list of Mitigating Circumstances as borne out by Bachan Singh (supra) is relevant. The court held:

(4) The probability that the accused can be

reformed and rehabilitated. The State shall by evidence prove that the accused does not satisfy the conditions 3 and 4 above.

In fine, Bachan Singh (supra) mandated identification of aggravating and mitigating circumstance relating to crime and the convict to be collected in the sentencing hearing.

2(B) Nature of Content of Rarest of rare Dictum Rarest of rare dictum breathes life in "special reasons" under section 354(3). In this context, Bachan Singh (supra) laid down a fundamental threshold in the following terms:

"A real and abiding concern for the dignity of human life postulates resistance to taking a life through law's instrumentality. That ought not to be done save in the rarest of rare cases when the alternative option is unquestionably foreclosed." An analytical reading of this formulation would reveal it to be an authoritative negative precept. "Rarest of rare cases" is an exceptionally narrow opening provided in the domain of this negative precept. This opening is also qualified by another condition in form of "when the alternative option is unquestionably foreclosed". Thus, in essence, rarest of rare dictum imposes a wide-ranging embargo on award of death punishment, which can only be revoked if the facts of the case successfully satisfy double qualification enumerated below:

1. that the case belongs to the rarest of rare category

2. and the alternative option of life imprisonment will just not suffice in the facts of the case

Rarest of rare dictum serves as a guideline in enforcing section 354(3) and entrenches the policy that life imprisonment is the rule and death punishment is an exception. It is a settled law of interpretation that exceptions are to be construed narrowly. That being the case, the rarest of rare dictum places an extraordinary burden on the court, in case it selects
death punishment as the favoured penalty, to carry out an objective assessment of facts to satisfy the exceptions ingrained in the rarest of rare dictum. The background analysis leading to the conclusion that the case belongs to rarest of rare category must conform to highest standards of judicial rigor and thoroughness as the norm under analysis is an exceptionally narrow exception.

A conclusion as to the rarest of rare aspect with respect to a matter shall entail identification of aggravating and mitigating circumstances relating both to the crime and the criminal. It was in this context noted: "The expression "special reasons" in the context of this provision, obviously means "exceptional reasons" founded on the exceptionally grave circumstances of the particular case relating to the crime as well as the criminal"

Curiously in Ravji alias Ram Chandra v. State of Rajasthan, [(1996) 2 SCC 175] this court held that it is only characteristics relating to crime, to the exclusion of the ones relating to criminal, which are relevant to sentencing in criminal trial, stating:

"...The crimes had been committed with utmost cruelty and brutality without any provocation, in a calculated manner. It is the nature and gravity of the crime but not the criminal, which are germane 32

for consideration of appropriate punishment in a criminal trial. The Court will be failing in its duty if appropriate punishment is not awarded for a crime which has been committed not only against the individual victim but also against the society to which the criminal and victim belong. The punishment to be awarded for a crime must not be irrelevant but it should conform to and be consistent with the atrocity and brutality with which the crime has been perpetrated, the enormity of the crime warranting public abhorrence and it should "respond to the society's cry for justice against the criminal"..."

We are not oblivious that this case has been followed in at least 6 decisions of this court in which death punishment has been awarded in last 9 years, but, in our opinion, it was rendered per incuriam. Bachan Singh (supra) specifically noted the following on this point: "...The present legislative policy discernible from Section 235(2) read with Section 354(3) is that in fixing the degree of punishment or making the choice of sentence for various offences, including one under Section 302 of the Penal Code, the court should not confine its consideration "principally" or merely to the circumstances connected with the particular crime, but also give due consideration to the circumstances of the
criminal" Shivaji @ Dadya Shankar Alhat v. The State of Maharashtra, [AIR2009SC56], Mohan Anna Chavan v. State of Maharashtra [(2008)11SCC113], Bantu v. The State of U.P., [(2008)11SCC113], Surja Ram v. State of Rajasthan, [(1996)6SCC271], Dayanidhi Bisoi v. State of Orissa, [(2003)9SCC310], State of U.P. v. Sattan @ Satyendra and Ors., [2009(3)SCALE394] are the decisions where Ravji Rao (supra) has been followed. It does not appear that this court has considered any mitigating circumstance or a circumstance relating to criminal at the sentencing phase in most of these cases. It is apparent that Ravji Rao (supra) has not only been considered but also relied upon as authority on the point that in heinous crimes, circumstances relating to criminal are not pertinent. 2(B) Alternative Option is foreclosed

Another aspect of rarest of rare doctrine which needs serious consideration is interpretation of latter part of the dictum - "that ought not to be done save in the rarest of rare cases when the alternative option is unquestionably foreclosed." Bachan Singh (supra) suggested selection of death punishment as the penalty of last resort when, alternative punishment of life imprisonment will be futile and serves no purpose. death punishment, as will be discussed in detail a little later, qualitatively stands on a very different footing from other types of punishments. It is unique in its total irrevocability.

Incarceration, life or otherwise, potentially serves more than one sentencing aims. Deterrence, incapacitation, rehabilitation and retribution - all ends are capable to be furthered in different degrees, by calibrating this punishment in light of the overarching penal policy. But the same does not hold true for the death penalty. It is unique in its absolute rejection of the potential of convict to rehabilitate and reform. It extinguishes life and thereby terminates the being, therefore puts an end anything to do with the life. This is the big difference between two punishments. Before imposing death penalty, therefore, it is imperative to consider the same. Rarest of rare dictum, as discussed above, hints at this difference between death punishment and the alternative punishment of life imprisonment. The relevant question here would be to determine whether life imprisonment as a punishment will be pointless and completely devoid of reason in the facts and circumstances of the case? As discussed above, life imprisonment can be said to be completely futile, only when the sentencing aim of reformation can be said to be unachievable. Therefore, for satisfying the second exception to the rarest of rare doctrine, the court will have to provide clear evidence as to why the convict is not fit for any kind of reformatory and rehabilitation scheme. This analysis can only be done with rigor when the court focuses on the circumstances relating to the criminal, along with other circumstances. This is not an easy conclusion to be deciphered, but Bachan Singh (supra) sets the bar very high by introduction of Rarest of rare doctrine.

In Panchhi v. State of U.P., [(1998) 7 SCC 177], this Court also elucidates on "when the alternative option is foreclosed" benchmark in the following terms:

16. When the Constitution Bench of this Court, by a majority, upheld the constitutional validity of death sentence in Bachan Singh v. State of Punjab this Court took particular care to say that death sentence shall not normally be awarded for the offence of murder and that it must be confined to the rarest of rare cases when the alternative option is foreclosed. In other words, the Constitution Bench did not find death sentence valid in all cases except in the aforesaid freaks wherein the lesser sentence would be, by any account, wholly inadequate. In Machhi Singh v. State of Punjab a three-Judge Bench of this Court while following the ratio in Bachan Singh case laid down certain guidelines among which the following is relevant in the present case: (SCC p. 489, para 38) "(iv) A balance-sheet of aggravating and mitigating circumstances has to be drawn up and in doing so the mitigating circumstances have to be accorded full weightage and a just balance has to be struck between the aggravating and the mitigating circumstances before the option is exercised."

In Bachan Singh (supra), it was stated:

"206. Dr Chitale has suggested these mitigating factors:

"Mitigating circumstances.--In the exercise of its discretion in the above cases, the court shall take into account the following circumstances: (1) That the offence was committed under the influence of extreme mental or emotional
disturbance.

(2) The age of the accused. If the accused is young or old, he shall not be sentenced to death.

(3) The probability that the accused would not commit criminal acts of violence as would constitute a continuing threat to society.


(4) The probability that the accused can be reformed and rehabilitated. The State shall by evidence prove that the accused does not satisfy the conditions (3) and (4) above.

(5) That in the facts and circumstances of the case the accused believed that he was morally justified in committing the offence. (6) That the accused acted under the duress or domination of another person.

(7) That the condition of the accused showed that he was mentally defective and that the said defect impaired his capacity to appreciate the criminality of his conduct.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 21:43
by g.sarkar
ramana wrote:While its important, WSJ should also post a rape map of US.
I do not know about rapes, but lets talk about the death penalty. Just California has a death row that has more than 700 inmates waiting. Texas has less than 300, but they kill their inmates quickly. Drugs and guns make this country much more violent than India. WSJ knows about this.
Gautam

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 22:06
by chaanakya
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/delhi ... /1069082/0


Delhi gangrape: SC to examine definition of 'juvenile' in justice act

The petition, filed by two advocates – Kamal Kumar Pandey and Sukumar – contended that sections 2(k), 10 and 17 of the JJ Act which deals with the issue were irrational and ultra-vires of the Constitution.

The counsel, appearing for the petitioners, submitted that the constitutional validity of the definition of juvenile in the Act is in conflict with the law.

The counsel said that the definition of juvenile under section 82 and 83 of the IPC is a much better classification.

Section 82 provides that nothing is an offence which is done by a child under seven years of age.

Section 83 says nothing is an offence which is done by a child above seven years of age and under twelve and who has not attained the maturity to understand or judge the nature and consequences of his conduct.

"We have to examine the matter," the bench said, adding that "the matter is relating to fixation of age". "It is a question of law," it said.

The Attorney Gener

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 04 Feb 2013 23:28
by svinayak
g.sarkar wrote:
ramana wrote:While its important, WSJ should also post a rape map of US.
I do not know about rapes, but lets talk about the death penalty. Just California has a death row that has more than 700 inmates waiting. Texas has less than 300, but they kill their inmates quickly. Drugs and guns make this country much more violent than India. WSJ knows about this.
Gautam
It is not about what WSJ knows. It is about propaganda aginst India. Usually such articles have the hand of Pak and PRC groups. These groups in US have thrived for more than 30 years now since 1972 and used US media into this. Uncle people a small group in involved in it due to cold war but many do not know this.

Just this case has been extra polated and then expanded to cover all India. This is poor social research and it is propaganda.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 05 Feb 2013 06:05
by krisna
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1386799

In this article one of the factors which caused the brutal rape of the girl in Delhi was the failure of law and order.
Reading broken windows will help in this regard. Encourage brfites to read the article in entirety to understand the concept.

Again Gujarat has taken the lead in this regard. see this website-- of course MSM will not highlight at any great extent due to the adverse publicity it will have on congis.
http://www.safecitysurat.com/

This is a People's public private partnership (4 Ps) --
Successful Completion & Launching of 'SAFE CITY SURAT CCTV- PROJECT' 1ST phase under People-Public- Private -Partnership " in a short remarkable period of 4/5 mnths. On 18 th Jan.2013 Project was inaugurated by our great Leader Hon'ble Chief Minister of Gujarat Shri Narendra Modi Ji. Funds were contributed by Surat Municipal Corporation, Diamond Industries of Surat , Textile Industrialist from Pandesara & Sachin, Builders- Real estate Developers, Traders, Dawate- E- Hadiyah Trust- Zampa bazar Surat, Hajira Industries, Citizens, R K Infratel Ltd etc.
Ist Phase includes 1o4 cameras at various sensitive locations, Video wall, Data Centre, Video analysis i.e.1 Face Recognition 2. Crowd Identification 3. 3 D images of sensitive area 4. E Challans for violation of Motor Vehicle Rules, over & above Net working-Optic Fibre Connectivity provided through out Surat City by R K Infratel Ltd.

2nd Phase: For Safe Surat City ***** The Work is in Progress { Proposed Plan } to instal ( International Standard ) 5000 Cameras of High definition through out Surat City on Roads (outside of the following Ventures, Organisations, Shops, Markets, industries etc..)
This is one among the many intiatives on going in Gujarat to make cities safer, with better control of law, prevent lumpen elements from creating havoc.
Invovling people is a masterstroke as the key to any success is the people participation.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 05 Feb 2013 22:20
by Nandu
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 89311.aspx

Woman travelling to Delhi on a train got down at the wrong place, was abducted, gang raped, murdered and her half naked body hanged from a tree. I saw a pic of that, which I won't link to because it is very disturbing.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 05 Feb 2013 22:29
by ramana
Nandu, That case was determined to be a sucide! Even CNN had Freida Pinto ponitifcating in clipped British accent. And soon after investigation showed it was not a rape issue.
India has real problems lets not get distracted with fake ones.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 05 Feb 2013 22:48
by harbans
Many thanks Krisna for posting that heartening article on steps being taken by the NM Govt in Gujarat. No hiding behind committees, waiting for commissions of enquiry etc. Direct public-private participation. Quick decision making and effective implementation and monitoring. Also good to note participation of some Muslim entities in that venture.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 05 Feb 2013 23:23
by ramana
Lilo, Is it possible to add the twitter account Violence against women to the External liks in this wiki page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape_case

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 06 Feb 2013 00:07
by IndraD
If you get abducted in broad daylight, don't expect the Delhi Police to take it seriousl
On Sunday afternoon, a 21-year-old woman was abducted and molested inside a car by three drunk men in northeast Delhi. What is shocking is that the cops refused to register a case under sections of attempt to abduction and made it a case of molestation, which is a bailable offence

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Delhi's shame continues: Man shoves iron rod in woman's mouth after rape attempt
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/delh ... 49027.html

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 06 Feb 2013 00:10
by IndraD
Delhi rape case: Defendants face first witness evidence

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21332426
This was a key moment in what has become one of India's most closely watched trials.

The five accused arrived in a police van from prison, their faces hooded. And the bus on which the alleged assault took place was also driven into the court complex, as it is a prosecution exhibit.

Over the next several days, the prosecution will produce a number of witnesses, including police officers, forensics experts and doctors who treated the young woman in hospital.

The actual trial is being conducted in secrecy. Even before the day's proceedings got underway, the courtroom was cleared with only the accused, witnesses and lawyers allowed to remain. But that has not prevented the local and international media from taking up positions outside the court, determined to capture every moment in this complex and dramatic trial.
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CCTV image of bus when crime was being committed

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 06 Feb 2013 20:11
by IndraD
Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit said on Wednesday the capital is not safe for women and admitted the government's and police's repeated failure to provide security to them.

"In Delhi, women are not safe. We admit the government and police's failure in this. We have been failing to provide security to them," Dikshit told reporters
chor machaye shor....
Shiela Dixit admits Delhi is unsafe for women

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 08 Feb 2013 14:06
by chaanakya
Cops stop car for tinted glass, find gangrape victim inside
A short chase for what police thought was a car trying to flee because they had flagged it down for tinted windows, resulted in the rescue of a 25-year-old woman who had been gangraped by four men early on Thursday morning.

The four men — Shakil (23), Lajpatrai Sachdeva (38), Irshad (30) and Abid (21) — were arrested from the spot.

Police said around 3 am personnel at a picket in Swaroop Nagar, Northwest Delhi, flagged down a Hyundai Santro as its windows had tinted films. But, the driver broke the barricade and tried to speed away. Police, in a PCR van and on a motorcycle, chased the car for a kilometre and managed to bring it to a halt.


Deputy Commissioner of Police (North) Sindhu Pillai said: "The vehicle had tinted glasses because of which our officials signalled them to stop. However, they broke a barricade and sped off. During their questioning, they said since the victim was in their car and it had tinted glass, they tried to flee."

In her statement to police, the woman said Shakil picked her up from her house in Rohini, and took her to his flat in Ashok Vihar. She said Shakil also invited his friends.

"The victim alleged that the accused served her a drink laced with sedatives and Shakil and his friends took turns to rape her when she was in a semi-conscious state," a police officer said.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 08 Feb 2013 14:24
by harbans
The shaming continues
The crime that took place on Sunday has shocked
Uttarakhand, which grieved the Delhi gangrape braveheart who had studied physiotherapy in state capital Dehradun.

Police said three men, all in their 20s, allegedly gangraped the woman after spiking her cold drink at a birthday party in Kashipur, an industrial town about 200 kilometres from Dehradun.

The woman is from a neighbouring town and works in a factory. Doctors treating her at a government hospital said her condition was critical.

The doctor in-charge of the hospital said the woman had been brutally assaulted sexually and her uterus was damaged.

Police arrested the accused — Rajendra, Prem Prakash and Kishen Lal, all small-time traders — and produced them in court on Monday.
Gangraped, uterus removed: 22 Year old girl fights for life

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 08 Feb 2013 14:36
by harbans
There are reports that indicate that juveniles between 16 and 18 years are increasingly committing serious crimes and are also being hired for committing such crimes thanks to the glaring loophole in the JJA. According to the National Crime Records Bureau, the number of juveniles arrested for murder has doubled while those booked for rape has increased by over 7.5 times in the past five years. Rapes by juveniles have increased by 188%, thefts and robberies by about 200% and abduction of women by 660% during the same period. In 2007, 52 juveniles were arrested for murder and 20 for rape. The numbers rose to 111 for murder and 152 for rape in 2011. In more than 70% of the cases, the offenders were between 15 and 18 years.

India is among a very few countries to have 18 as the age of criminal responsibility. In Britain, anybody above 17 is an adult and separate youth courts try people under 18. A person under 17 can be tried as an adult in a limited number of serious offences like sexual assault, child sex offences committed by children, sexual activity with a child family member. When a youth offender is jointly charged with an adult, the charge is heard and tried by a regular court.

In the US, there are special juvenile courts to deal with under-18 delinquents. Around 20 US states allow them to be tried and sentenced as adults to life imprisonment. In June 2012, the Supreme Court barred mandatory life sentence without parole to juveniles. In 2012, a 13-year-old boy, who was accused of beating a half-brother to death while sexually abusing another 5-year-old in Florida, was charged as an adult. In 2011, a Colorado boy pleaded guilty to killing his parents when he was 12. The boy got a seven-year term in a juvenile facility and three years parole. In France, anyone under 18 can only be tried by special juvenile courts. A separate juvenile Assize court tries serious offences committed by minors between 16 and 18 years. In 2002, a law was enacted to provide tougher criminal response to juvenile delinquency. The thought behind such legal options is that a child who is 14 and above may not know the law stricto senso but has a sense of right and wrong. How can one sell the argument that a 14-18-year-old child does not know that killing/raping someone is wrong?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/editorial ... picks=true

While many of the solutions BRF members mooted in the solutions thread did find their way into the Verma report, many didn't. What is mentioned here was in the solutions thread. I fail to understand what kind of experts we really have if rank amateurs in the field cover these issues better here and more holistically than the expert commissions set up.

Major thrusts missing in the report are focus on decreasing gender segregation, steps to increase respect, saying no to Ban type, blame Victim solutions, making 15-18 year olds responsible for adult like crimes to avoid criminal groups increasing hiring amongst the juvenile group. These should have been obvious and highlighted changes quite prominent in the report.

The expert committees and groups who actually are paid to keep us safe only get into action when there is outrage. Rest of the time they twiddle their toes and pass time looks like. Complete rootlessness.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 08 Feb 2013 15:45
by IndraD
Chinese woman raped in Delhi, China lodges strong protest with India
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21378283

Juvenile kept in solitary confinement to be safe as other inmates bay for his blood
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 07273.aspx

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 08 Feb 2013 21:31
by ramana
So who is selling sedatives to miscreants? I think some pharmacy control is also needed. Shocking what gets sold without prescription.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 08 Feb 2013 21:43
by chaanakya
ramana wrote:So who is selling sedatives to miscreants? I think some pharmacy control is also needed. Shocking what gets sold without prescription.
Yes , this is major issue . Schedule H drugs gets sold without prescrition and without any receipt. health care system and Pharmacy needs some sort of regulation. In fact like many things in India Laws do exist and selling prescription drugs without prescription is illegal and could be prosecuted. but that rarely happens, for obvious reasons.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013 03:59
by IndraD
China has asked its citizens, especially women, staying in India to be on alert and avoid going out alone after a Chinese woman was raped in New Delhi earlier this week. In a strongly worded report, state-run Xinhua said India is known for “rampant rapes against women and Delhi’s called the rape capital of the world.”
China issues advisory to women in India

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013 05:46
by SriKumar
Dont know if the text the presidential ordinance was posted in this thread, so here goes: Press Information Bureau; Govt. of India:

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=91979

Did a quick read....this report has more legalese to it than the Verma Commission report, it has far fewer pages. A lot of it, if not all of it, seems to be about defining certain acts as a crime ( i.e. defines voyeurism, stalking, sexual assault etc), and, what is the punishment for the said crime. There is nothing in this report (based on the quick scan I did) that suggests anything about faster judicial procedure. It is essentially amendments to Indian penal code. Para number 3 (c) on page 1 or 2, does say something that alludes to punishments for police not registering a case. (So how will this be enforced? By the police?). There are a lot of things in the Verma Commission report that's not in this ordinance.

Para no. 18 has a table with a list of crimes and the respective punishments. Police not registering a case is 1 year jail, but a bailable offence. Throwing acid, and commiting sexual assault is a non-bailable offence. Some types of voyeurism are also non-bailable (what is the implication of a non-bailable offence? non/cognizable offence?)

There is no comment on changes to infrastructure (more police, more stations, judges, improved investigative procedure etc). Perhaps an ordinance is not meant for that ? (nahin maalum). If cases are not tried in a reasonable time, how will additional punishments help, except in the miniscule number that finally see a judgment after years/decades? Per my interpretation of para 18, item (a) in the table, this ordinance does seem to classify non-registration of an FIR as a crime (section 166A), and this is good step forward. But will this alone be enough for police to start recording complaints that come to them. Maybe it is, who knows.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013 10:03
by ramana
chanakya, Can the pharmacy be charged for supplying the sedative drugs used against a rape victim? In US its called accessory to crime.

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013 10:14
by hnair
oh no!!! Not again!! WTF is wrong with these sickos? :cry:

Re: Delhi Case Follow-up thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013 13:48
by chaanakya
ramana wrote:chanakya, Can the pharmacy be charged for supplying the sedative drugs used against a rape victim? In US its called accessory to crime.
Yes, If police investigate and trace the source i.e. the shop and the pharmacist and the owner could be charged under Drug control Act and various IPC crime but not as accessory to the crime as he might not be knowing the motive of buyer, rather difficult to establish in the court. If it could be established that pharmacist knew these criminals and knowing criminal antecedents he sold the drug without prescription. three years is the maximum punishment and/or 5000 rs fine. If you want , can check exact provisions.
If motive is not established then there would be lenient treatment just as a knife seller would not be charged as accessory to the crime committed by buyer if it was purchased in his ordinary course of business ( i.e. sale with prescription)

If the drug in question is under narcotics and psychotropic Substances Act and rules then his goose would be cooked more thoroughly.