AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Jul 2013 08:28

Common capital is still not clear to me.. so, how are they going to do the state assembly? time division/split chairs/rooms/etc?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 31 Jul 2013 08:32

^ there will be two separate assemblies for the time being.

Secondly Hyd need to be the common capital until accounts are settled. Water sharing, assets and loans (United AP has Rs 1L crore loans), and tax receipts etc. AP side should get its share of tax revenues.

ShyamSP garu,

Another thing that will happen is that some of the business head quarters will move to Andhra side thus reducing tax revenues to Hyderabad.

If t-people are smart, they should accept to leave Hyd aside as common capital for 10 years and ask to build a new capital along with Andhra. That way they could have developed a new city at center's cost.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Jul 2013 08:34

would they split hyd revenue by the ratio of seats?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jul 2013 08:53

SaiK wrote:would they split hyd revenue by the ratio of seats?

All fun will be there on that issue. In my opinion (and also heard some leader saying in one of the videos), Revenues are likely shared by size/people % as new development needs to happen in new AP. Loans/liabilities won't be shared. New AP will say loans were used (lion-share anyway) for Hyderabad which they don't get so Hyderabad and whoever inherits it will bear.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 31 Jul 2013 08:59

right.. because that money they need to barter for building the new capital.

they can pretty much model after some real need based analysis.. wonderful oppty to plan and implement.. a new city, could be entirely on an unoccupied landscape facing the ocean or river front..

there is nothing stopping to think at least like singapore as baseline.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2013 09:06

The way INC split AP is interesting. They first ignored the demand till it turned violent. Next had committees, commissions, interlocutors, media spins, invite leaders etc. In end the did it for political gains. Almost like something 100 years ago: partition of Bengal.

When I said INC is brown East India Company people got upset!

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 31 Jul 2013 09:23

The funny thing here is that separate state is being formed for andhra even though they didn't ask for it. Unlike any other state divisions, here, the region asking for separation is expelling the other region. Yet the expelled region carries the tag of andhra pradesh.

This creates another question on loans.If it is like any other business loan, the loan is owed by andhra pradesh. For example the loan papers with World bank show Andhra pradesh as the entity that owes the loan. Telangana is not responsible for it. On the other hand when it omes to revenues, TRS (KCR and Harish Rao) is already arguing that they will not share any Hydearbad revenues even though they may agree for joint capital. This is exactly where the division went wrong. In the haste to win elections, they put cart before horse. Why would any T leader agree for any compromise now?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jul 2013 09:55

ramana wrote:The way INC split AP is interesting. They first ignored the demand till it turned violent. Next had committees, commissions, interlocutors, media spins, invite leaders etc. In end the did it for political gains. Almost like something 100 years ago: partition of Bengal.

When I said INC is brown East India Company people got upset!

They scripted well since 1998. BJP may have done the "inception" on their mind. INC had YSR to use KCR for their political gain in 2004. YSR played good cop and KCR played bad cop till his death. After YSR death, INC took directly control of the game. In the background of rebellion by the YSR gang they released the game to its fruition resulting in 2009 and current announcement.

At strategic level, it was game of both BJP and INC to get rid of regional parties' by making them pygmies. For Congress it was to get lever on Telugu social engineering that it lost in 1983. KCR was perfect pick. He was disgruntled with CBN who preferred Devender Goud and other BCs to have TDP as BC-friendly party in Telangana and KCR was coach-trainer of Telugu and cultural aspects in TDP and so was good candiate for Congress to hit at Telugu pride of TDP.

At tactical level they have been using the T-issue for their advantage and TRS to silence TDP in last 3-4 elections. Probably, they will use Hyderabad and water for next 10 years.

At another strategic level, AP fall means, no other state can claim exclusivity, language criteria, constitutional protection, etc all enchilada excuses. Center can divide any state, any region without difficulty now.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jul 2013 10:19

Dasari wrote:The funny thing here is that separate state is being formed for andhra even though they didn't ask for it. Unlike any other state divisions, here, the region asking for separation is expelling the other region. Yet the expelled region carries the tag of andhra pradesh.

Wasn't that the case for Uttarkhand, Chattisgarh and Jarkhand?

One advantage Telangana will have is that Hyd is pretty much at the center of it. So existing infrastructure like an international airport, educational institutions will suffice for some time to come. It can also be a disadvantage as alternate centers will not grow.

As for the rivers, Telangana is the upper riparian state, but it does not enjoy the benefits as much as coastal Andhra. The polavaram project that is getting the national status will only enrichen an already very rich area. Perhaps there is no suitable site in Telangana where you can dam the Krishna and Godavari rivers.

I wonder how united Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra will be after the split. Coastal Andhra has all the advantages to make it a power house, not so much Rayalaseema.

vina · Post by **vina** » 31 Jul 2013 10:52

RamaY wrote:ask to build a new capital along with Andhra. That way they could have developed a new city at center's cost

Why should a new capital be a developed metro at all ? Why not just have buildings for Baboos and Netas in some backwater and kick them out of the cities . Which is the capital of NY ? The capital of CA, capital of Florida, the Capital of Illinois, .. the capital of any state in US ? Is it NYC, LA/SF,Chicago etc or is it Albany, Sacremento and Tallahasee kind of places ?

Sure, all you will get is money from the rest of us to build an assembly and a few bungalows for the Mantris and high rises for the Baboons. For the rest of getting a metro city built, you can kiss it goodbye.

Trouble, is the current Rayalseema-Coastal Andhra has always been in search of a capital! When they split from Madras, the capital was in Kurnool, being run from tents. The merger with the Hyderabad state happened because they eyed the jewel that was Hyderabad, so really Seemandhra folks "captured" Hyd. Now that they are back to square 1 after 58 years, the search for a "state capital" continues.

Lets have some sense here. Develop and Albany, put the Baboons and Netas there and be done with it. Let the Vizags, and Vijaywadas develop into grand , glittering and successful cities .

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 31 Jul 2013 10:56

Good suggestion!! I doubt the politicos will accept but sure do hope somehow they do.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 31 Jul 2013 11:02

Looks like Digvijay Singh is eyeing Maharashtra next for division.

Congress checkmates Jaganmohan Reddy

Singh insisted that the issue of Telangana cannot be compared to others because there has been historical background as it has reference in the recommendations of the first State Reorganisation Commission (SRC), which is still relevant.

He said that there was also a reference to Vidarbha in the first SRC report.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 31 Jul 2013 11:11

Rajamahendravaramu is a great place - cultural capital and was home to some of the great social reformers - Sri Kandukuri Veereshalingam Pantulu - used to bike across his bust in my middle school years. One of my extended family was so energized that he married child widow in early 1930s whe she was about 17 and he was in his 20s. He was a true Gandhian and both were incredible people who together raised a large successful household - their progeny are spared all over India and US.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jul 2013 11:13

Another project Pulichintala aims to provide more irrigation to the already well irrigated coastal AP.

Polavaram and Pulichintala projects were started by YSR (who is from Rayalaseema) under Jalayagnam, but the chief benefit is to the coastal areas. He also started some projects for Telangana. I was disappointed with his death because I doubted his successors' ability to follow through on the Jalayagnam projects. Looks like atleast polavaram and Pulichintala are being pursued vigorously to completion.

Lets see if formation of Telangana will hamper or facilitate the irrigation schemes intended for it.

vina · Post by **vina** » 31 Jul 2013 11:25

Well, there is an easy way out for the Rayalseema & Coastal Andhra folks. You can come back to Mama Madras and be happy under the thumb of the Baboons in Fort St George and be ruled by Amma! As Darth Vader said, "This is Your DESTINY" , however Paki like you guys might have been back then !!

You will have a grand capital in Madras and also , temper the idiocies of the *MK folks as well.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jul 2013 11:44

hanumadu wrote:As for the rivers, Telangana is the upper riparian state, but it does not enjoy the benefits as much as coastal Andhra. The polavaram project that is getting the national status will only enrichen an already very rich area. Perhaps there is no suitable site in Telangana where you can dam the Krishna and Godavari rivers.

I wonder how united Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra will be after the split. Coastal Andhra has all the advantages to make it a power house, not so much Rayalaseema.

Godavari catchments from Vidarba, Chattisgarh, Orissa can't be all utilized by the Telangana as by the time Godavari flows on eastern border of Telangana. Also Godavari Districts have same right as Warangal and Khammam (Godavari in the east side of Godavari belongs to Northern Circar). Polavaram water and project * has nothing much to do with Telangana which can mostly use the catchment upper side of Kaleswaram which is in Karimnagar dist.

As for Rayalaseema, Congress left out any promises to them. There will be agitation from them.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 31 Jul 2013 11:46

Division of political map of a state was always going to be a political issue. Why do we mix finance and other things in it. When it became politically possible for the ruling party they did it. And yes political parties will have only political interest in their mind.

Now if people of India think otherwise let them show it by way of ballot. People in Telengana / AP should similarly reward the party which linked it's political fortune with them. Only thing that can override these political considerations are National security related, which is nobodies case here.

HYD as a union territory is good news. Just compare the standard of living, development index and per capita income of UTs. It has always been above the national average. Both states are large enough and developed enough to chart their own course.

Good luck to them.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jul 2013 12:17

ShyamSP wrote: Godavari catchments from Vidarba, Chattisgarh, Orissa can't be all utilized by the Telangana as by the time Godavari flows on eastern border of Telangana. Also Godavari Districts have same right as Warangal and Khammam (Godavari in the east side of Godavari belongs to Northern Circar). Polavaram water and project * has nothing much to do with Telangana which can mostly use the catchment upper side of Kaleswaram which is in Karimnagar dist.

As for Rayalaseema, Congress left out any promises to them. There will be agitation from them.

Right now, Warangal and Khammam do not get the benefits of Godavari water. Nor does Telangana (except a small part of Nalgonda) gets the benefit of Krishna water even though it flows through Telangana before entering Andhra. I am trying to find out why haven't there been any dams across these two rivers to irrigate Telangana. Industrialization of Telangana also depends on the availability of water.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jul 2013 12:25

Agri lands in Telangana are almost 1000ft high from water level ofv rivers. So not easy for any cultivation due to that reason.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jul 2013 12:33

hanumadu wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: Godavari catchments from Vidarba, Chattisgarh, Orissa can't be all utilized by the Telangana as by the time Godavari flows on eastern border of Telangana. Also Godavari Districts have same right as Warangal and Khammam (Godavari in the east side of Godavari belongs to Northern Circar). Polavaram water and project * has nothing much to do with Telangana which can mostly use the catchment upper side of Kaleswaram which is in Karimnagar dist.

As for Rayalaseema, Congress left out any promises to them. There will be agitation from them.
Right now, Warangal and Khammam do not get the benefits of Godavari water. Nor does Telangana (except a small part of Nalgonda) gets the benefit of Krishna water even though it flows through Telangana before entering Andhra. I am trying to find out why haven't there been any dams across these two rivers to irrigate Telangana. Industrialization of Telangana also depends on the availability of water.

I think you need to some research before speaking. Karimnagar is rice bowl of AP due to Godavari. It is only eastern catchments that are not useful for Telangana. Look at Google maps/earth to check out the topography of the Godavari river.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jul 2013 12:43

^^^I suspected as much because most of the projects for Telangana are lift irrigation schemes. Through out the course of the rivers, is there no place where it flows high enough? Godavari flows through Nizambad, Warangal and Khammam before entering Andhra. Krishna flows through Mahaboobnagar and Nalgonda before entering Andhra. If indeed height is the reason, Telangana has no reason to complain it is being short changed. It is dealt a raw hand by nature and must learn to make the most of it. My fear is with separation, its situation might worsen.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jul 2013 13:04

ShyamSP wrote:
I think you need to some research before speaking. Karimnagar is rice bowl of AP due to Godavari. It is only eastern catchments that are not useful for Telangana. Look at Google maps/earth to check out the topography of the Godavari river.

I did my research. Karimnagar gets irrigated because of Maneru (Manair) dam built on a tributary to Godavari and I was talking about Warangal and Khammam. There are other large parts of Telangana which needs irrigation. Telangana is poor because it does not get the full benefit of Krishna and Godavari waters.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jul 2013 13:22

As I have posted it is because of height. No one can help it. List irrigation (like one planned for Pranahitha - Chevella project) are not viable for agri activity if done on large scale. There is no power and cost is also un-viable. Yet KCR type Lahori logic people are saying it is possible. Hope they do not waste huge amount on such things.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 31 Jul 2013 14:22

vina wrote: Why should a new capital be a developed metro at all ? Why not just have buildings for Baboos and Netas in some backwater and kick them out of the cities . Which is the capital of NY ? The capital of CA, capital of Florida, the Capital of Illinois, .. the capital of any state in US ? Is it NYC, LA/SF,Chicago etc or is it Albany, Sacremento and Tallahasee kind of places ?

Lets have some sense here. Develop and Albany, put the Baboons and Netas there and be done with it. Let the Vizags, and Vijaywadas develop into grand , glittering and successful cities .

+1

Gandhinagar was built in similar lines for Gujarat which worked out very well. Ahmedabad is virtually free from road capturing by ministers. Also it allowed to build government buildings in vast places without the land issues.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 31 Jul 2013 14:34

Congress always go for the joint capitals to keep the issues simmering while BJP cleanly created the states of Uttrakhand, Chhatisgarh and Jharkhand.

Chandigarh was suppose to be given to Punjab after Rajiv-Longowal act since it was made on the Punjabi speaking areas in 1966 but till date 2013 it is still a joint capital. Himachal did got its own capital after some time.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 31 Jul 2013 15:53

Cynical YSR Reddy stoked Telangana fire to trip Chandrababu Naidu

NEW DELHI: The contemporary Telangana agitation, the last and the most successful over six decades, started as a cynical move on the part of the most virulent opponent of division of Andhra Pradesh, Y S Rajasekhara Reddy.

YSR stoked the Telangana sentiment and associated himself with regional aspirations just to trip the unshakeable Chandrababu Naidu.

But once in power, he contested in 2009 against statehood and managed to decimate TRS in its stronghold to prove that there was no sentiment for statehood. He emerged the undisputed czar of AP.

Telangana appeared doomed for another heartbreak, but for the air crash that killed YSR early in his second innings as CM.

YSR aides recall how the Congress strongman became increasing desperate as his friend Naidu dug in his heels as CM. Concern was rife that another victory in 2004 would push Congress and YSR to irrelevance.

Thinking on his feet, he devised a four-point strategy to make Naidu suspect among regions and social groups — Telangana, peace with Maoists, free power and padayatra.

"We threw everything at Naidu that we could. It was a desperate move," a key follower and Congress minister from Andhra recalled.

Congress sent 40-odd party MLAs to Delhi to urge the leadership to espouse division of the state, firing the imagination of K Chandrasekhara Rao who, pushed by his tiff with the TDP chief, rebelled and launched TRS which was wedded to statehood.

YSR undertook 'padayatras' to paint the 'Hyderabad CEO' as a rich man's ruler while he wooed KCR against the common enemy.

But after winning 2004 in alliance and becoming CM, YSR began to retreat. "Talks with Maoists were doomed from day one, free power was out of question and YSR was never for Telangana," a senior minister recalled.

The humbling of TRS in its den in 2009 ended the statehood momentum but for the air crash that provided an opening to KCR, who sat on a fast unto death to force the announcement in December 2009.

Congress, after several flip-flops, appeared to redeem its promise on Tuesday.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Jul 2013 15:57

SBajwa wrote:Congress always go for the joint capitals to keep the issues simmering while BJP cleanly created the states of Uttrakhand, Chhatisgarh and Jharkhand.

Chandigarh was suppose to be given to Punjab after Rajiv-Longowal act since it was made on the Punjabi speaking areas in 1966 but till date 2013 it is still a joint capital. Himachal did got its own capital after some time.

This is damn important to note. I suspect 10 years is fishy and there will always be capitalist sharks who will make sure it is not allowed. I repeat again a lot is getting lost in the noise. 23 village were added before panchayat elections into HYD metropolis.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Jul 2013 16:03

Regarding Vizag, it is already area wise very huge. They are combining Bhimili, Visakapatnam and Anakapalli into a single city corporation with VUDA. Bhimili is protesting because historically that is second municipality in India itself and they want to keep that as lose that history. Excellent and beautiful city on the east coast. Vast lands in the eastern ghats. New Airport building was also opened. The coast is full of rich towns and cities. I don't think in future all wealth will be just at one place so that it makes easy for a thief to steal it.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jul 2013 16:23

Hydeabad itself may lose lot of its attractiveness after being capital for 10 districts. All major cities are supported by Major states. Money from all the areas in the state flows into capital. Forigne investement etc not worth much considaring the cost of maintainace itself. If for example what will happen if rest of AP is not ready to see movies made in Hyd?? Say 200% entertainment tax on such movies. Most of the movie making may have to move to rest of AP mainly to the places like Vizag. New IT hubs in places like Ananthapur (very near to Bangalore) except of heat is going to be big draw.

In the meanwhile CBN wants Delhi to give 2 to 4 Lakh Cr for new capital. Why Delhi and the nation pay such money to Telugu people??? for what??? FRROM WHERE SUCH MONEY WILL COME??? He does not say. He in the end proved to be most failed political leader who could not destruction of his party now.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 31 Jul 2013 16:57

^ it doesn't mean Delhi will pay that money from its tax revenues.

It means Andhra will get more (all) share from its own tax revenues and may get some tax holidays etc.

Vinaji need not worry. It doesn't come from other states except for some extent.

Rs 2L crores over 10 years is like Rs 20k crores per year. I am sure AP contributes more than this to centra tax revenues.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 31 Jul 2013 17:16

RamaY wrote:^ it doesn't mean Delhi will pay that money from its tax revenues.

It means Andhra will get more (all) share from its own tax revenues and may get some tax holidays etc.

Dont think so.
Central Govt. doesnt maintain separate pots for taxes collected from each state.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 31 Jul 2013 17:21

Narayana Rao wrote: Why Delhi and the nation pay such money to Telugu people??? for what??? FRROM WHERE SUCH MONEY WILL COME???

Several reasons.
1. Its a national issue.
2. Telangana and Andra are still part of India.
3. We dont differentiate between Gujarat Money and Bihar Money. Its all Indian Money.

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 31 Jul 2013 17:40

Every state gets a share of central revenues as per a formula determined by the Finance Commission and that cannot be altered. States designated as backward may get a higher share per capita but there is little chance of AP getting that designation - even Bihar has not got that.

Thus, the only way AP can be helped financially for the new capital is through the plan support it receives from the central government - an amount that is negotiated with the Planning Commission. To put things in perspective, the support for the entire state for 2013-14 is of the order of Rs. 5000 crores - the new AP's share will be something like Rs. 3000 crores. Any demands for Rs. 20000 crores per year for 10 years is therefore totally crazy. CBN himself knows that and is saying it regardless. The best AP is going to get is perhaps a few hundred crores extra to support the construction of new buildings for the assembly and secretariat etc. Most of the new states in the past did not get that either - the state's funds were used for the purpose.

Also, some people seem to be behaving as if Telengana will not be a part of the country and they need to duplicate its entire infrastructure. After the dust settles down, they will realize that Hyderabad will continue to be accessible to them, and its infrastructure will still be useful in much the same way as in the past. When somebody in UP wants to travel abroad, they use whichever airport is most convenient, usually Delhi. Similarly, people in AP will use whichever international airport is most convenient for them - Hyderabad, Bangalore, Chennai or Vizag to a small extent. Over time, Vizag's airport will also develop more and the new state Government can facilitate that. But it is unrealistic to expect that it can be made to replicate Hyderabad. And it is not the best use of funds to do that either unless Vizag's growth makes that sensible.

The one infrastructural element where there will be need for investment is educational due to the fact that there is some lack of access to people from outside the state, and in that sense it is different from transportation infrastructure. In the short term, access to the institutions in Hyderabad needs to be shared, perhaps through an inter-state agreement that is negotiated before the division of the state. In the long term, central support should be provided to develop such infrastructure though once again realistically, the bulk of the funding will come from the state's own kitty.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 31 Jul 2013 18:18

vina wrote:Well, there is an easy way out for the Rayalseema & Coastal Andhra folks. You can come back to Mama Madras and be happy under the thumb of the Baboons in Fort St George and be ruled by Amma! As Darth Vader said, "This is Your DESTINY" , however Paki like you guys might have been back then !!

You will have a grand capital in Madras and also , temper the idiocies of the *MK folks as well.

I see that this tamil dude is jumping with joy here on the break up of Andhra Pradesh ! Old habits die hard

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jul 2013 18:40

Narayana Rao wrote:In the meanwhile CBN wants Delhi to give 2 to 4 Lakh Cr for new capital. Why Delhi and the nation pay such money to Telugu people??? for what??? FRROM WHERE SUCH MONEY WILL COME??? He does not say. He in the end proved to be most failed political leader who could not destruction of his party now.

Because Telugu people didn't ask for split. Congress to get 17 guaranteed seats in the next elections wants to split. Let Center pay for political decision of split. I think that is even paltry amount as Rayala Seema alone should ask for that money.

This is exactly what new AP should do - suck all the money from Hyderabad and Center for its development.

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 31 Jul 2013 18:43

It is less a breakup of the state and more a demerger. What is somewhat depressing is that the states were merged without asking the people and have been demerged again without asking the people. The right way to do this would have been to ask the people what they wanted through a referendum, with both sides making their case and people voting based on the issues involved. Instead, we have emotive street agitations on both sides, a useless media, and finally the decision being made by one political party with the next election as the prime reason for taking the decision.

That said, those suggesting that the rest of India should bear the burden for the idiocy of AP's own politicians in Telengana and Seemandhra are being unfair and unrealistic as well. With the demerger, the new AP's leverage to suck funds out of the center has only gone down, if anything. The best nigh to do is to focus on the strengths, and make the best of the new situation. The new AP will have substantially reduced headaches on various fronts, with the most backward, Naxalites prone districts going to Telengana. The Owaisis go there too. It will have the better part of the old AP's human capital. And much of its financial capital as well. These can be put to good use. The loss of Hyperabad will rankle for a bit but everybody will move on after some time.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jul 2013 18:49

Sridhar wrote:It is less a breakup of the state and more a demerger. What is somewhat depressing is that the states were merged without asking the people and have been demerged again without asking the people. The right way to do this would have been to ask the people what they wanted through a referendum, with bits sides making their case and people voting based on the issues involved. Instead, we have emotive street agitations on both sides, a useless media, and finally the decision being made by one political party with the next election as the prime reason for taking the decision.

You don't have to parrot TRS lies.

Hyderabad and Andhra States were merged with overwhelming support from people and then legislative body. Telangana had Visalandhra (Wider Andhra) movement at people level and Burgula Rama Krishna got 70-80% approval voting from Hyderabad Assembly then.

Now for demerger, majority are not agreeing and it may fail Assembly approval also.

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 31 Jul 2013 18:55

And you don't have to be unnecessarily rude, my friend.

I have no idea what the TRS has been saying - lies or not. All I am saying is that politicians decided on the merger - not the people. There was no process to ascertain what the people wanted. The same now as well.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 31 Jul 2013 19:04

Sridhar wrote:And you don't have to be unnecessarily rude, my friend.

I have no idea what the TRS has been saying - lies or not. All I am saying is that politicians decided on the merger - not the people. There was no process to ascertain what the people wanted. The same now as well.

There has been no referendums in India so let's not linger on it. Visala Andhra was powerful concept for Telugus in both Madras and Hyderabad state. AP was to happen as soon as they started splitting those two large states in 1950s.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 31 Jul 2013 19:05

SS ji,

I do not think you are correct. In 2013-14
Rs 5,87,082 crore to be transferred to states under share of taxes and non plan grants in 2013—14

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Econom ... 461680.ece

United AP got ~50k+crore in 2013-14 budget.