Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
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Aero India 2017 highlights:
LUH
IA Rudra
IAF Rudra
HAL LCH
HAL IMRH
HAL HTTP-40
LCA IFR
LCA AF and Navy
LCA Evaluation Flights
AEW&C - IAF handover
Rustom-2 Tapas
Jaguar Darin-III
Mirage UPG
MiG-29 U(gly)
Surya Kirans returns
HAL - Make in India
BAE-HAL Combat Hawk JV
AMCA Refinements
Size comparison
Astra BVR AAM
SAAW
DRDO NG PGM
DRDO FAE-500
Jamming Pod
Uttam AESA
Kaveri Revival
QR SAM
NDTV: Vishnu Som Flies the Tejas
Until the next AeroIndia 2019!
LUH
IA Rudra
IAF Rudra
HAL LCH
HAL IMRH
HAL HTTP-40
LCA IFR
LCA AF and Navy
LCA Evaluation Flights
AEW&C - IAF handover
Rustom-2 Tapas
Jaguar Darin-III
Mirage UPG
MiG-29 U(gly)
Surya Kirans returns
HAL - Make in India
BAE-HAL Combat Hawk JV
AMCA Refinements
Size comparison
Astra BVR AAM
SAAW
DRDO NG PGM
DRDO FAE-500
Jamming Pod
Uttam AESA
Kaveri Revival
QR SAM
NDTV: Vishnu Som Flies the Tejas
Until the next AeroIndia 2019!
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Visited ADVA this year, couldn't see any stall - might have been too well camouflaged thoughshiv wrote: The only IAF stalls calling for recruitment have been in th ADVA area - not the business area. Did not go that side this year.
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You mean 5th Gen stealthy Stall..??vonkabra wrote:
Visited ADVA this year, couldn't see any stall - might have been too well camouflaged though
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They were flying at 180 ktsrai wrote: HAL - Make in India
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Srai, Thanks for compiling those pics!srai wrote:Aero India 2017 highlights:
NDTV: Vishnu Som Flies the Tejas
3:12 Commodore CD Balaji, Director:
We are moving the wing outwards by about 350 mm on either side (1.14ft on either side?)
We are stretching the fuselage by about 1 meter (it helps in creating space between fuselage and wing, where the landing gear can be easily retracted. We have a simpler lighter landing gear that can go in).
We are freeing up center fuselage space and allows extra fuel (700 kgs)
Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
Most probably the idea posted on BRF that lots of people pay Rs 1500 to come to ADVA once in two years in Bengaluru for Air Force recruitment was discovered to be falsevonkabra wrote:Visited ADVA this year, couldn't see any stall - might have been too well camouflaged thoughshiv wrote: The only IAF stalls calling for recruitment have been in th ADVA area - not the business area. Did not go that side this year.
Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
What about pics of the other type of models at the Israeli, Dassault, LM, Boeing stalls?srai wrote:Aero India 2017 highlights:
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Until the next AeroIndia 2019!
Surely, those were important pics to take...
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Why isn't there a separate BR Gallery for Aero India this time? Has Aero India lost its importance or has BR lost interest
Unfortunately wasn't able to attend this year, Hopefully in 2019
Unfortunately wasn't able to attend this year, Hopefully in 2019
Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
Given the relatively less range of ERJ based system, it seems it will address a particular sector than be an all encompassing 'Eye-in-the-Sky' like larger birds which cover large swathe of territories.Karan M wrote:But I agree with you AF should order at least 3 more of these units and have them progressively improve the radar. A six AWACS (ERJ based fleet) for TSPAF vs 5 AWACS for PLAAF would give us ample coverage till AWACS-I comes.
I think a set of 3 ERJ based AEW&C are required for any sector to ensure optimal station time. Assuming this conjecture is true, IAF will need birds in set of 3 to address more sectors. For example, the birds out of Bhisiana/Bhatinda, can cover Pakistan airspace across south-Punjab+North Rajasthan sector. Which is a very critical sector from armor warfare perspective. You can expect PA II Corps/ARS to operate in this area. Similarly, Central Rajasthan (Bikaner) and Southern Rajasthan (Jaisalmer+Barmer) are two other very important sectors from large scale force deployment and maneuvering aspect. You would ideally need birds based at Jaisalmer to cover this sector.
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I think range is not an issue. Time to station will hardly be anything if they are based 100 kms from the border. Once they take off they are on station. This also allows easy crew changes and refueling if they are so close to base. Being a civilian airliner, their uptimes will be far better than the Il-76 birds. It has an 9/10 hour airtime available to it without refueling and that is plenty. It would be nice if IAF ordered another 3 to beef up its units and to hedge any delays in A330-I units coming online.
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Good Pics of AI 17
fotografersha.livejournal.com/877189.html
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Indranil, could you please create the Aero India 2017 folder in the gallery? Am sure a lot of folks would want to share their images.
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I don't have the "rights" to create the same. I have raised it up with other mods. It will be created soon.
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Thank you. A lot of images that should reside in that folder will otherwise end up on imgur or so.
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^^nice article,
1. justifies her stint with TOIlet,
2. So in the aero india show, where she should be writing about planes or other things she chooses to write toilet paper rolls and soaps
3. And the only plane image she picks is a biplane which she would have seen in her school text books
4. this is not the first time she has dissed indian forces here is another masterpiece from her "http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... tandards/"
5. So nice article that she's to put her pic before the article to induce if not seduce users to read it
6. Sorry for religious bigotry but the name wahab itself is reeks of wahabism
1. justifies her stint with TOIlet,
2. So in the aero india show, where she should be writing about planes or other things she chooses to write toilet paper rolls and soaps
3. And the only plane image she picks is a biplane which she would have seen in her school text books
4. this is not the first time she has dissed indian forces here is another masterpiece from her "http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... tandards/"
5. So nice article that she's to put her pic before the article to induce if not seduce users to read it
6. Sorry for religious bigotry but the name wahab itself is reeks of wahabism
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Eight Tata companies to display defense, aerospace expertise at Aero India 2017
The recently added recognition to TAML’s Domestic Defense Division is the winning of prestigious contract from the Ministry of Defense to manufacture and supply 50,000 bullet resistant jackets with 50 percent option clause to Indian Army.
The recently added recognition to TAML’s Domestic Defense Division is the winning of prestigious contract from the Ministry of Defense to manufacture and supply 50,000 bullet resistant jackets with 50 percent option clause to Indian Army.
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Ironically there were more toilts this year than ever before. Question is - has this chick ever written anything about lack of toilets in cities?ranjan.rao wrote:^^nice article,
1. justifies her stint with TOIlet,
2. So in the aero india show, where she should be writing about planes or other things she chooses to write toilet paper rolls and soaps
3. And the only plane image she picks is a biplane which she would have seen in her school text books
4. this is not the first time she has dissed indian forces here is another masterpiece from her "http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... tandards/"
5. So nice article that she's to put her pic before the article to induce if not seduce users to read it
6. Sorry for religious bigotry but the name wahab itself is reeks of wahabism
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A valid question (IMO) that I have heard asked is "Where do our AWACS fit in when we have covered our borders with radars and ground based control systems?Cybaru wrote:I think range is not an issue. Time to station will hardly be anything if they are based 100 kms from the border. Once they take off they are on station. This also allows easy crew changes and refueling if they are so close to base. Being a civilian airliner, their uptimes will be far better than the Il-76 birds. It has an 9/10 hour airtime available to it without refueling and that is plenty. It would be nice if IAF ordered another 3 to beef up its units and to hedge any delays in A330-I units coming online.
Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
My Video of Desi Flying maal from last week.
Just uploaded - and YouTube is working on removing the shakiness - the edits should be done in an hour
https://youtu.be/9pLsCJfE1l4
Just uploaded - and YouTube is working on removing the shakiness - the edits should be done in an hour
https://youtu.be/9pLsCJfE1l4
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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
^^
1. in case ground base radars/systems are taken by first strike or sabotaged
2. augment ground based radars in case the terrain is not advantageous with mountainous areas
3. could help in airspace view over the sea (not sure how much that is feasible)
1. in case ground base radars/systems are taken by first strike or sabotaged
2. augment ground based radars in case the terrain is not advantageous with mountainous areas
3. could help in airspace view over the sea (not sure how much that is feasible)
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They still provide early warning way more than any ground radar can especially Beyond The Horizon detection. Plus they do sigint analysis of all ground based radars that are emitting. If it has ground mapping modes like jstars, it can create interesting picture for analysis and spot any shift in men/material and perhaps even tactics.shiv wrote:A valid question (IMO) that I have heard asked is "Where do our AWACS fit in when we have covered our borders with radars and ground based control systems?Cybaru wrote:I think range is not an issue. Time to station will hardly be anything if they are based 100 kms from the border. Once they take off they are on station. This also allows easy crew changes and refueling if they are so close to base. Being a civilian airliner, their uptimes will be far better than the Il-76 birds. It has an 9/10 hour airtime available to it without refueling and that is plenty. It would be nice if IAF ordered another 3 to beef up its units and to hedge any delays in A330-I units coming online.
http://www.northropgrumman.com/capabili ... /awacs.pdf
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Shiv Saar,shiv wrote: Question is - has this chick ever written anything about lack of toilets in cities?
I think there is an even bigger question has she written anything remotely meaningful and related to defense to get her position in force magazine. She seems to be writing mostly with Parveen Sawhney, wondering if their association is only limited to professional one. Her every article has her pic
which makes it readable..
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We should be proud of ToI(let). They have successfully indigenised the tech for drain inspections...shiv wrote:Ironically there were more toilts this year than ever before. Question is - has this chick ever written anything about lack of toilets in cities?ranjan.rao wrote:^^nice article,
1. justifies her stint with TOIlet,
2. So in the aero india show, where she should be writing about planes or other things she chooses to write toilet paper rolls and soaps
3. And the only plane image she picks is a biplane which she would have seen in her school text books
4. this is not the first time she has dissed indian forces here is another masterpiece from her "http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... tandards/"
5. So nice article that she's to put her pic before the article to induce if not seduce users to read it
6. Sorry for religious bigotry but the name wahab itself is reeks of wahabism
Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
The lady wore heels to an airshow? Did she think that an airshow was about showing herself off?
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Line of Sight, Doctor saar... Even if we have enough ground based radars, airborne, redeployable, long range radar systems have inherent advantages in terms of Radar SNR, the ability to look pretty much straight across into air rather than up (range resolutions are much higher than cross range resolutions), and dont have to deal with issues of occlusions due to geographical features.shiv wrote: A valid question (IMO) that I have heard asked is "Where do our AWACS fit in when we have covered our borders with radars and ground based control systems?
Oh, and with a good look-down mode, its MUCH easier to detect low flying targets with an AWACS compared to ground based radars.
Plus, when it can be moved fastly, then the advantage in terms of both platform safety, predictability and operational flexibility is, to quote a recently elected Orangutan, very bigly.
Btw, why is the AI17 thread so dead :-(. I'm probably griping, but I remember the good old BRF days where we had multiple 30 or 40 page Aero India threads that were just choc-a-bloc with info and discussions.
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mistook it for air head show.
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That is the theory. But I would like to argue against this just to bring out knowns and unknowns which I think exist in the idealized picture presented about the use of AWACS.k prasad wrote:
Line of Sight, Doctor saar.
AWACS may less useful at one's own borders than we imagine.
In the first place -even at the best of times they cannot fly within 50-100 km of a hostile border. This means that 75% of AWACS coverage is inside one's own territory (since AWACS eyes are circular - most of that circle remains inside one's own territory). Air forces and navies comparable in size to the IAF/IN like the UK and France do not operate AWACS in numbers that are disproportionately higher than what we have.
So why has the US gone apeshit and procured AWACS in such huge numbers? That is because they sit well outside US territory - monitoring large areas of ocean and faraway lands that do not have the capability to take down US fighters. The US has AWACS circling over Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia and Japan
Our own AWACS are unlikely t be used for Amreeki ishtyle AWACS led attack formations over hostile territory. Our AWACS will most likely stay inside and monitor our airspace and help vector air defences against intruders. They will probably provide coverage where our land based radars lack coverage.
In fact balloon mounted radars or radars on mountaintops can provide (for us) the same depth of coverage into hostile terrain 24x7 at 1/10th cost (or less)
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Personally, I don't care for who she is, what she wears or where she writes.
Let's not focus on her. We have done better than last year. We have some more work to do. Let's focus on that.
As to her, stop giving her attention.
Let's not focus on her. We have done better than last year. We have some more work to do. Let's focus on that.
As to her, stop giving her attention.
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Re: Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18
Toilets WAS indeed a problem, like everywhere else in India. But, mind that it was way better than the previous years. I would also venture that the temporary facilities were as good as similar temporary facilities anywhere. The only issue was, they were a bit far to walk and a bit less in number (and because of that, a bit less clean).
My bigger complaint is, there was no hand wash at the Food court. There was only a temporary toilet with two wash basins, that ran out of water all the time.
My bigger complaint is, there was no hand wash at the Food court. There was only a temporary toilet with two wash basins, that ran out of water all the time.
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+ 1Dileep wrote:Toilets WAS indeed a problem, like everywhere else in India. But, mind that it was way better than the previous years. I would also venture that the temporary facilities were as good as similar temporary facilities anywhere. The only issue was, they were a bit far to walk and a bit less in number (and because of that, a bit less clean).
My bigger complaint is, there was no hand wash at the Food court. There was only a temporary toilet with two wash basins, that ran out of water all the time.
Things havent changed since past 3 times I visited AI , Far few toilets and long lines there for the ladies specially and quite a distance to walk to reach rest room.
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UK and France usually will operate within NATO ambits, so they have US AWACS already. In many ways, we should count the US AWACS fleet withinthe UK/France force numbers, for most of their operations. When they have unkil ka lamborghini to play with, Why pay for their own? Also, in terms of area to protect, they have almost no threats like the ones we face (IOR + Western Border + North + East).shiv wrote: In the first place -even at the best of times they cannot fly within 50-100 km of a hostile border. This means that 75% of AWACS coverage is inside one's own territory (since AWACS eyes are circular - most of that circle remains inside one's own territory). Air forces and navies comparable in size to the IAF/IN like the UK and France do not operate AWACS in numbers that are disproportionately higher than what we have.
So why has the US gone apeshit and procured AWACS in such huge numbers? That is because they sit well outside US territory - monitoring large areas of ocean and faraway lands that do not have the capability to take down US fighters. The US has AWACS circling over Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia and Japan
Few points to this:shiv wrote: Our own AWACS are unlikely t be used for Amreeki ishtyle AWACS led attack formations over hostile territory. Our AWACS will most likely stay inside and monitor our airspace and help vector air defences against intruders. They will probably provide coverage where our land based radars lack coverage.
In fact balloon mounted radars or radars on mountaintops can provide (for us) the same depth of coverage into hostile terrain 24x7 at 1/10th cost (or less)
1) Aerostats are fixed, easy to find, tough to redeploy quickly, and easy to target. Moreover, they give pretty obvious indicators of radar blind spots. AWACS are more easily redeployable, so blind spots are not obvious to the enemy. Plus, in a shooting war, these lumbering ones (on ground or aerostat) will be the first to be targetted. Vivek Ahuja's scenarios were quite interesting in terms of how that might happen.
2) Aerostats typically cant operate much higher than 15,000 ft altitude. So impossible to operate in mountains. AWACS can easily fly at 30k+ altitudes. So thats there.
3) Another point about high altitude operation - Imagine what that does for your Line of Sight - at 5000 m *above ground*, LoS is 250 km. At 10,000 m, that increases to 357 km. But now, Imagine if your aerostat is above to tether only 2000 m above a 3000 m high base - LoS is now only 160 km. Barely useful for early detection of air targets flying nape-of-the-ground, or within valleys. So depth of coverage is vastly inferior to AWACS.
4) Same issue goes for ground based radars - even if they are RIGHT ON TOP of the mountains (unlikely - Bharni is a small exception, but its not that powerful), they will not be able to see nape of the earth aircraft till they're too close. And if they are below in the valley, then forget about having any useful detection range unless they want to see aircraft flying at 50k ft. So that takes away the entire eastern and Northen sector. In flat terrain on the western sector, its slightly better, but the other disadvantages still come into play.
btw, Its fun to pop in again after a year of occasional lurking. I'll probably vanish again soon to go back to working on actual radar stuff .
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It is indeed good to see your post K Prasad!
If you want to shape the battle once it starts and move the FEBA forward, you will need assets that give you that edge to be able to do that. They provide Time Sensitive Targeting which is what you will miss if you just have ground based radars.
This link is a bit obtuse, but read anyways.
http://www.ultra-prologic.com/capabilit ... ess/229-2/
If you want to shape the battle once it starts and move the FEBA forward, you will need assets that give you that edge to be able to do that. They provide Time Sensitive Targeting which is what you will miss if you just have ground based radars.
This link is a bit obtuse, but read anyways.
http://www.ultra-prologic.com/capabilit ... ess/229-2/
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Somehow the NATO argument does not seem to work for nuclear weapons - which they both own, ignoring the same NATO fact. They need those extra AWACS for US style NATO surveillance over distant oceans - not across their borders.k prasad wrote:
UK and France usually will operate within NATO ambits, so they have US AWACS already. In many ways, we should count the US AWACS fleet withinthe UK/France force numbers, for most of their operations. When they have unkil ka lamborghini to play with, Why pay for their own? Also, in terms of area to protect, they have almost no threats like the ones we face (IOR + Western Border + North + East).
Tibet is, on average at 12-14000 feet, and the Himalayas tower over Tibet at 18-22,000 feet. An AWACS flying in India would be completely blind to aircraft flying in the shadow of mountains that tower 1.5-2 km higher than the plateau. The populated areas of Tibet (South Tibet) fall in the shadow region even for an AWACS flying at 30,000 feet - it would have to cross the Himalayas to see what is happening in the areas that are hidden behind the mountains.k prasad wrote: 3) Another point about high altitude operation - Imagine what that does for your Line of Sight - at 5000 m *above ground*, LoS is 250 km. At 10,000 m, that increases to 357 km. But now, Imagine if your aerostat is above to tether only 2000 m above a 3000 m high base - LoS is now only 160 km. Barely useful for early detection of air targets flying nape-of-the-ground, or within valleys. So depth of coverage is vastly inferior to AWACS.
Nap of earth invading aircraft would be nap of earth at 14000 feet inside Tibet. To come to India they would have to rise to about 25000 feet and be seen against clear sky by ground based radars
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Correct, but well, when it comes to Nukes, no one trusts their own mothers. Recent news articles have talked about how most NATO partners are not pulling their weight, instead letting the US foot most of the burden. This AWACS business is just another example of that. But also, operational requirements for these countries are also different.shiv wrote: Somehow the NATO argument does not seem to work for nuclear weapons - which they both own, ignoring the same NATO fact. They need those extra AWACS for US style NATO surveillance over distant oceans - not across their borders.
Yes, and no. AWACS flying close to the mountains at 30k feet will still be able to peer over the 'fence' much better than ground based radars.shiv wrote: Tibet is, on average at 12-14000 feet, and the Himalayas tower over Tibet at 18-22,000 feet. An AWACS flying in India would be completely blind to aircraft flying in the shadow of mountains that tower 1.5-2 km higher than the plateau. The populated areas of Tibet (South Tibet) fall in the shadow region even for an AWACS flying at 30,000 feet - it would have to cross the Himalayas to see what is happening in the areas that are hidden behind the mountains.
Nap of earth invading aircraft would be nap of earth ant 14000 feet inside Tibet. To come to India that would have to rise about 25000 feet and be seen against clear sky by ground based radars
But also, you bolstered my point shivji, when you said "An AWACS flying in India would be completely blind to aircraft flying in the shadow of mountains that tower 1.5-2 km higher than the plateau."
This is precisely why a long range detection is needed, so these aircraft can be detected in the plateaus, 150-200 km before they enter our airspace. Else, our only hope, as you said, is when they cross the hump and get detected by ground radars... but thats typically too short a response time for scrambling intercept fighters. Instead, say the AWACS catches a glimpse of these aircraft 200 km inside tibet, before they go into the elevation blind spots close to the mountains. That gives a couple of minutes notice to scramble our fighters and get them on intercept paths. Its a very tight margin, but thats what war is like, I guess, and the AWACS is essential for providing this, even minimal level of situational awareness. Also, imagine what happens when the AWACS cruises at 35k ft instead of 30 - essentially, its about 15k feet above the top of the mountains, and easily 20k feet above the plateau.
Well said, Cybaru! Time sensitive targetting is the right phrase for this.Cybaru wrote:It is indeed good to see your post K Prasad!
If you want to shape the battle once it starts and move the FEBA forward, you will need assets that give you that edge to be able to do that. They provide Time Sensitive Targeting which is what you will miss if you just have ground based radars.
This link is a bit obtuse, but read anyways.
http://www.ultra-prologic.com/capabilit ... ess/229-2/
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The point I want to make is that reality is much more complex than line-of-sight over ocean which are NATO needs. There will certainly be "gaps" between peaks that our AWACS could use to peer into Tibet to get that extra 2 minutes. But the Chinese too would have marked those gaps as airspace to be avoided and also as spots to target snooping AWACS. That would represent time sensitive targeting to our detrimentk prasad wrote: This is precisely why a long range detection is needed, so these aircraft can be detected in the plateaus, 150-200 km before they enter our airspace. Else, our only hope, as you said, is when they cross the hump and get detected by ground radars... but thats typically too short a response time for scrambling intercept fighters. Instead, say the AWACS catches a glimpse of these aircraft 200 km inside tibet, before they go into the elevation blind spots close to the mountains. That gives a couple of minutes notice to scramble our fighters and get them on intercept paths. Its a very tight margin, but thats what war is like, I guess, and the AWACS is essential for providing this, even minimal level of situational awareness. Also, imagine what happens when the AWACS cruises at 35k ft instead of 30 - essentially, its about 15k feet above the top of the mountains, and easily 20k feet above the plateau.
I am not trying to say AWACS are useless. (Which is what people may think) All I am saying is that their applicability,and therefore the numbers we need may be more limited than insane US numbers suggest.
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you would not have asked this question had you seen her articlesshiv wrote:The lady wore heels to an airshow? Did she think that an airshow was about showing herself off?
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Well it is "Farce" magazine that she writes for.ranjan.rao wrote:you would not have asked this question had you seen her articlesshiv wrote:The lady wore heels to an airshow? Did she think that an airshow was about showing herself off?
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Look,let's be frank.The facilities at all air shows I've attended in the past...all of them barring this one,have had dreadful toilet facilities. At best they're poor quality workmen's toilets,not fit for an international exhibition where deals worth billions are transacted. It also makes a mockery of the Swaatch Bharat campaign of the PM. When Yelahanka has been chosen as the country's permanent site for all air shows in the future,some serious infrastructure facilities must be established there.Since the show is every two years,it is easy to accomplish. Those who've attended Farnborough or Paris,can easily compare them with ours,and I'm sure that Dubai and Singapore tops the list for facilities! I've attended many international exhibitions in the past and where permanent toilet facilities aren't poss.,temporary mobile units ,very hygenic have been installed in large number.It is this chalta hai attitude that lets us down,even with our desi wares,why we are midgets in the international export front,barring industries like textiles,light engineering,etc.,and commodities. The foreign car majors have brought with them their intl. stds. and that has paid off. So let's stop shooting the scribe/postman every time a failing is brought to public notice.
Future Aero-India shows need to get experienced event/exhibition design and management teams planning from now on for the next show 2 years hence.
Future Aero-India shows need to get experienced event/exhibition design and management teams planning from now on for the next show 2 years hence.
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JayS,the DRDO engaged a co. whose MD is a close pal,to develop blisks.He allegedly obtained some paltry funding,the major fin. input from his own resources.He developed them,but since then has got no orders from the DRDO and becos of its funding cannot do a thing about it,like selling the tech/product abroad! This was a few years ago.He curses the day he ever got involved with the DRDO. I know another highly respected gent who owns a major group,who also is fed up with the DRDO after decades of supplying them/developing for them certain products.
"All talk,little else" he said. He manufactures world-beating products sold exclusively in to the US,EU,etc.Some of these may have even found their way back into the country in some key systems that we import.
My assessment is that for both these entities/products,there is a vested interest in them NOT succeeding! We are simply forced to import engines for all types,as well as engines for another key system,of which we're buying hundreds for all 3 services. This is the difficulty that pvt. idustry has,dealing with the DRDO/Babudom.Lucrative turfs of the DPSUs must not be disturbed. With the GTRE's abysmal performance over decades and so much moolah too gone down the drain,has anyone ever asked why there has been no inquiry into its shoddy performance and re-organisation of its management?
Like the non-performing NLCA,we'll always be churning out "tech-demonstrators"! Useful for science museums,but not for the armed forces.
PS:Indian Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa expresses interest in Mi-38
16 February 2017 MIKHAIL NEKRASOV
Dhanoa inspected the Mi-38 and Ka-226T at Aero India 2017.
https://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2 ... -38_703453
"All talk,little else" he said. He manufactures world-beating products sold exclusively in to the US,EU,etc.Some of these may have even found their way back into the country in some key systems that we import.
My assessment is that for both these entities/products,there is a vested interest in them NOT succeeding! We are simply forced to import engines for all types,as well as engines for another key system,of which we're buying hundreds for all 3 services. This is the difficulty that pvt. idustry has,dealing with the DRDO/Babudom.Lucrative turfs of the DPSUs must not be disturbed. With the GTRE's abysmal performance over decades and so much moolah too gone down the drain,has anyone ever asked why there has been no inquiry into its shoddy performance and re-organisation of its management?
Like the non-performing NLCA,we'll always be churning out "tech-demonstrators"! Useful for science museums,but not for the armed forces.
PS:Indian Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa expresses interest in Mi-38
16 February 2017 MIKHAIL NEKRASOV
Dhanoa inspected the Mi-38 and Ka-226T at Aero India 2017.
https://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2 ... -38_703453