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Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 26 Dec 2010 21:32
by Yagnasri
If the same logic of the T Vadi leaders is to be applied then Non Telangana MP's have to quit. Congress lose 22 MP's then. I dont think decision on the devision will come so easyly than the status quo. To maintain status quo they need not do anything other than use force against the Telangana agitators. If division is to be made then appart from facing the agitation from the anti division people they have to get an opinion from the Assemble which they know they can never manage and get the bill passed in parliament. MIM may be aginst the division as BJP will be the main opposition in any Telangana state so Congress will think twice. Further accepting Telangana against the wishes of the AP majority will open a pandora box with fires of the similar kind every where
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Dec 2010 12:42
by ShyamSP
Let's take this with whatever amount of salt you like. But if they give like this I wonder how those T-leaders that spit all lies can put head high and go to people in AP.
Krishna Committee Result: 2nd SRC
http://greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id= ... 15&scat=16
The time has come for many in the state to see what the Sri Krishna Committee had to say about the idea of having a separate state. Well, here is some inside information from a reliable source and it goes to say that the committee has not recommended a separate Telangana state.
It is going to suggest 2nd SRC (State Reorganization Committee) to Central Government to study for the possibilities and necessities in forming new states basing on demographic, economic, geographic needs. But
the so called ‘sentiment’ is going to be completely dumped by SK Committee.
Apparently, the committee opined that bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh is not necessary and only a special package which has got focus on developmental factors must be given. On the other hand, they also made it clear that the
Telangana sentiment is actually politically driven.
The report supposedly suggests that the T-sentiment was more of instigation from political parties and it is definitely not a true desire of the people from the region. On the other hand, the claim that
Telangana is under-developed is being labeled as a myth as statistics have shown that the region has seen a significant growth over the last two decades. Let us see what happens now...
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Dec 2010 19:32
by Muppalla
I don't know if it is just creation of hype or there is a neccessity. The government is passing media advisories like they did for Ayodhya verdict in anticipation of trouble after SKC report.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Dec 2010 19:38
by Muppalla
ShyamSP wrote:Let's take this with whatever amount of salt you like. But if they give like this I wonder how those T-leaders that spit all lies can put head high and go to people in AP.
Krishna Committee Result: 2nd SRC
http://greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id= ... 15&scat=16
The time has come for many in the state to see what the Sri Krishna Committee had to say about the idea of having a separate state. Well, here is some inside information from a reliable source and it goes to say that the committee has not recommended a separate Telangana state.
It is going to suggest 2nd SRC (State Reorganization Committee) to Central Government to study for the possibilities and necessities in forming new states basing on demographic, economic, geographic needs. But
the so called ‘sentiment’ is going to be completely dumped by SK Committee.
Apparently, the committee opined that bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh is not necessary and only a special package which has got focus on developmental factors must be given. On the other hand, they also made it clear that the
Telangana sentiment is actually politically driven.
The report supposedly suggests that the T-sentiment was more of instigation from political parties and it is definitely not a true desire of the people from the region. On the other hand, the claim that
Telangana is under-developed is being labeled as a myth as statistics have shown that the region has seen a significant growth over the last two decades. Let us see what happens now...
I think this can be a rumor even though it writes
"some inside information from a reliable source ".
However, if that is right, then this commission's credibility will be very low and exactly in line with the wants and needs of INC. The whole game since 2003 is to keep this issue burning and TDP making " hot and cold " statements. TRS gains and INC on a as-needed basis buys off TRS. The strategy is to keep the state in its hold by not resolving the stuff. I do not if that works anymore. Everything has a finality and will not work for ever.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Dec 2010 20:26
by Yagnasri
From all the reports i heard there is no proof of looting Telangana people by outsiders. Further many areas in Telangana did achived good level of development. So I dont think it will be easy for any one to prove this looting allegation and economic backwardness.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Dec 2010 21:35
by Dasari
For the last two months, SKC was confident that they would give the report early. Even as late as Dec 16th, when they were in Hyderabad, they set Decemeber 29 or sooner as the date of report. Now Mr Duggal says they will be ready only on Dec 31st. Are they making any last minute changes based on the political reaction?
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 27 Dec 2010 22:51
by Muppalla
Few telangana tweets
centre in tizzy over Srikrishna T Report submission. alerts shipping, civil aviation, transport and banks to be cautious during first week.
What the hell is this? Why such a need? It is like a terror/war alert.
Justice Srikrishna chairman of Telangana committee to interact with media on Tuesday/1630 hrs Andhra Bhavan.Other members will be present
So we may get the news in another 24 hours.? Probably.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Dec 2010 02:07
by Yagnasri
SKC is only a committee of the ministry. So may end up a politically correct report as per INC requirement which does not give any clear picture and leave scope for all kinds of interpretations. In the end there will be only more useless arguments and more useless agitations.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Dec 2010 03:36
by Virupaksha
Narayana Rao wrote:From all the reports i heard there is no proof of looting Telangana people by outsiders. Further many areas in Telangana did achived good level of development. So I dont think it will be easy for any one to prove this looting allegation and economic backwardness.
They have long ago abandoned the development mismatch argument. It is only sentiment now.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Dec 2010 20:10
by Yagnasri
But still this argument of Dechukunnaru (looted us) is being said time and again on TV channels and in every public meeting. So this talk of development mismatch has not gone anywhere.
Just reported now all the cases against the "students" are remvoed.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 28 Dec 2010 22:26
by Dasari
In a sad development, the state govt has lifted all the cases against the students from both regions involved in serious arson and riot related crimes. Politicians, especially from Telanagana, were desperate to get their mercenaries free just in time for a fresh bout of goondaism going to be unleashed after SKC report.
It was quite obvious that the ruling govt orchestrated a farcical fast by their own MPs and used it as an excuse to lift the cases, only to lift the sagging credibility of the party. Even before MPs started the fast, the main opposition party called it as match fixing and predicted that it would not last more than 2 days.
Prior to this, the opposition leader has done indefinite fast for 8 days , yet failed to convince the ruling govt to offer a moderate package to the farmers severely effected by torrential rain. But now we have to believe a farcical fast by the ruling MPs for less than 2 days shaked the govt, especially considering that this is fraught with legal problems as this can be challenged in the courts by the people who suffered property losses in the riots. This is the state of politics in AP. Congress is ready to slash and burn the state for the sake of 2014 elections. It is that simple.
If ruling Congress MLAs and MPs sit for another bout of farcical fast after SKC report, I can guarantee you that the decision to split the state will already have been made. So that is your leading indicator for separate T.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 00:10
by vijayk
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?706638
Srikrishna Report to Give 'Several Options' for Telangana
The five-member committee on Telangana statehood issue today said it will give "several options with their pros and cons" in its report that will seek to achieve the "highest satisfaction of the largest number".
Addressing a press conference here, the committee chairman and former Supreme Court Judge Justice B N Srikrishna hoped that the report, to be submitted to Home Minister P Chidambaram by Friday, will bring out a permanent solution to the contentious issue of demands for bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh.
"Several options with their pros and cons," the panel's Member-Secretary Vinod K Duggal said when asked how many options will the committee give in the "large" report.
"Hopefully, the largest number of people will have the highest sense of satisfaction with the report. I hope we will achieve that," Duggal said.
Duggal said every aspect mentioned in the Terms of Reference of the committee was looked into "very detaily" and the issue at hand (Telangana) has been analaysed in all its "hues and shades".
"Every politician will say that the report is a well- researched document and it is totally unbiased and absolutely professional. I hope everyone will be satisfied with the report," he said.
"Each important aspect including the aspects given in the Terms of Reference have been studied in detail and have been dedicated a separate chapter," he said.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 04:44
by Muppalla
Dasari wrote:In a sad development, the state govt has lifted all the cases against the students from both regions involved in serious arson and riot related crimes. Politicians, especially from Telanagana, were desperate to get their mercenaries free just in time for a fresh bout of goondaism going to be unleashed after SKC report.
It was quite obvious that the ruling govt orchestrated a farcical fast by their own MPs and used it as an excuse to lift the cases, only to lift the sagging credibility of the party. Even before MPs started the fast, the main opposition party called it as match fixing and predicted that it would not last more than 2 days.
Prior to this, the opposition leader has done indefinite fast for 8 days , yet failed to convince the ruling govt to offer a moderate package to the farmers severely effected by torrential rain. But now we have to believe a farcical fast by the ruling MPs for less than 2 days shaked the govt, especially considering that this is fraught with legal problems as this can be challenged in the courts by the people who suffered property losses in the riots. This is the state of politics in AP. Congress is ready to slash and burn the state for the sake of 2014 elections. It is that simple.
If ruling Congress MLAs and MPs sit for another bout of farcical fast after SKC report, I can guarantee you that the decision to split the state will already have been made. So that is your leading indicator for separate T.
Probably you are right. The overwhelming consensus is that INC has lost the Seemandhra region and the losses are irreversible. There may be serious thought process that by giving T and pampering to substantial muslim minority in the new state, at the least some part of old telugu state could be salvaged. This is the reason for TRS offer of merger with INC and also the fasting by T-INC with the approval from central high command.
By the way SKC is being watched very closed by Ghurkaland too.
http://www.kalimpong.info/2010/12/29/gu ... na-report/
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 06:49
by ShyamSP
@dasari and @Muppala
It is fundamental problem Congress created. If anyone wants a state or autonomy, create violence and screw the region or country. The kind of message of absolving those involved in violence sends wrong signal to even Kashmiris who can apply the logic in even more aggressive scale.
If anyone wants independance to their home town, follow theT logic and burn all buses and trains and beat the heck out of those oppose and later absolve all cases against perpetuators and live happily ever after. Law and order be damned.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 09:47
by Muppalla
Let us see. Whatever may be the decision, the instability will be there for a while. I do not see any chance of the AP government continuance. The assembly may be suspended and there will be a President's rule.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 10:08
by Muppalla
ShyamSP wrote:@dasari and @Muppala
It is fundamental problem Congress created. If anyone wants a state or autonomy, create violence and screw the region or country. The kind of message of absolving those involved in violence sends wrong signal to even Kashmiris who can apply the logic in even more aggressive scale.
If anyone wants independance to their home town, follow theT logic and burn all buses and trains and beat the heck out of those oppose and later absolve all cases against perpetuators and live happily ever after. Law and order be damned.
It is happening. Gujjar agitation for giving them reservations is started again in Rajasthan. They used TRS in 2004 and put it alive for being in power. Similarly they instigated Gujjars and had created fights between Gujjars and Meenas to bring down BJP. Now INC government there is facing the same music. By the way INC in Rajasthan also is on sho-string majority. They already lost panchayat and corporation election.
Why can't INC rule states on development agenda like that of Nitish or Modi. Simple formula guys.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 11:12
by chandrabhan
I am privy to some parts of the report as i was floating around while the things were being discussed. The report talks about three solutions and also details the pitfalls. The report itself starts with a quote from Meghanand desai amid strong objection of Mr Shariff (one of the panel member).
Mr Duggal is a gregarious gentlemen and he likes to crack a lot of jokes and Mr Shariff is the most Anal, while Mrs Kaur is very calm and serene. Coming to the point, the main highlight of the report are...
1. With the bifurcation of Andhra between Telengana and Andhra, GOI should get ready for the demand of Rayalseema too
2. Renaming Andhra as Andhra seema to take care of the aspirations of Rayalseema should be looked at.
3. Hyderabad should be made a union territory and Chandigarh model should be adopted for Hyderabad too.
There was a solution through establishment of regional boards to take care of Hyderabad also discussed.
Actually there were 3 solutions discussed for telengana aspirations. What went into the report I don't know as I have not seen the whole of it, Only few pages as it was discussed. They would discus every damn topic on earth , even criminal prosecution of Supreme court judges, with Justice Srikrishna participating himself in the debates

Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 12:18
by ShyamSP
chandrabhan wrote:1. With the bifurcation of Andhra between Telengana and Andhra, GOI should get ready for the demand of Rayalseema too
2. Renaming Andhra as Andhra seema to take care of the aspirations of Rayalseema should be looked at.
3. Hyderabad should be made a union territory and Chandigarh model should be adopted for Hyderabad too.
There was a solution through establishment of regional boards to take care of Hyderabad also discussed.
On 1, Rayalaseema wants it own state if they give T and its agreements fulfilled. From the region there will be strong objections for split.
On 2, Renaming reflects poor understanding of Andhra word. Rayalaseema word itself was named in 1920s. Before it was called Guttha Seema (leased region) when Nizam ceded to British. I don't think Rayalaseema aspiration is to change name.
On 3, Telangana without Hyderabad will be hinterland and becomes Naxalite adda. With UT status and 1/3 claim by each region, Hyderabad will become criminal city with each region's mafia running havoc for dominance.
If they can't prove non-T robbed T and T is not developed, splitting will be tough act unless Congress wants to risk and screw non-T.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 12:36
by AjayKK
Telangana Congress monitoring group, consists of APCC Office Bearers & Presidents of District and City Congress Committees with elaborate network and activist force up to village level.
It is a pressure group within ANDHRA PRADESH CONGRESS COMMITTEE involving in the movement for realization of separate statehood of Telangana and is specially constituted by a sub-group of experts.
It made out this MEMORANDUM for submission to Justice B. N. Srikrishna committee with prayers for expeditious constitutional process to provide separate statehood to Telangana
MARCH 18, 2010 :: NEW DELHI
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28739399/TELA ... -COMMITTEE
From the above memo, I am not able to understand the statement seen below:
Telangana, as Telingana, Telingane is in global historical records for the last two thousand years. Karl Marx recorded this word in this geographical setting, tracing the happenings since 11th century, in his notes on India
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 18:59
by Muppalla
chandrabhan wrote:I am privy to some parts of the report as i was floating around while the things were being discussed. The report talks about three solutions and also details the pitfalls. The report itself starts with a quote from Meghanand desai amid strong objection of Mr Shariff (one of the panel member).
Mr Duggal is a gregarious gentlemen and he likes to crack a lot of jokes and Mr Shariff is the most Anal, while Mrs Kaur is very calm and serene. Coming to the point, the main highlight of the report are...
1. With the bifurcation of Andhra between Telengana and Andhra, GOI should get ready for the demand of Rayalseema too
2. Renaming Andhra as Andhra seema to take care of the aspirations of Rayalseema should be looked at.
3. Hyderabad should be made a union territory and Chandigarh model should be adopted for Hyderabad too.
There was a solution through establishment of regional boards to take care of Hyderabad also discussed.
Actually there were 3 solutions discussed for telengana aspirations. What went into the report I don't know as I have not seen the whole of it, Only few pages as it was discussed. They would discus every damn topic on earth , even criminal prosecution of Supreme court judges, with Justice Srikrishna participating himself in the debates

So there is no solution to keep it united and find it from inside?
If this comes out they then the chances of seemaandhra forcing a status quo should be bright. I don't know if they could design a splintered AP with everyone's acceptance. Telangana with no-Hyderabad itself is a hell-no-no. There starts the struggle. Now what is this Rayalaseema? Will it be without Nellore district. It is actually more granular that that is needed to create such small states. A lot of effort is needed in creating such number of states.
Politics and similar aspirations from others states will rise and in these days of coalition poliitics, this is only ripe for instability and not solutions.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 19:39
by Sarma
Guys, Chandrabhan has said some random things, whose credibility at this point is zero. Let us wait for the report to come out. There are strong indications the result may be a 2nd SRC. T alone cannot be treated separately, and there are at least a dozen strong movements in other states, which will immediately flame up if any pro-T stance is taken by the GoI.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 21:38
by Dasari
Sarma wrote:Guys, Chandrabhan has said some random things, whose credibility at this point is zero. Let us wait for the report to come out. There are strong indications the result may be a 2nd SRC. T alone cannot be treated separately, and there are at least a dozen strong movements in other states, which will immediately flame up if any pro-T stance is taken by the GoI.
I don't think SKC is going to recommend 2nd SRC. They clearly said in their interview that this report provides permanent lasting solution for Andhra-Telangana issue.
However, if separate statehood for T is given, will there be another committee to decide on how the division takes place. For example, the status of Badrachalam, which state controls Nagarjun Sagar and Srisailam dams/power plants, how the power supply is done to T that is deficient in power generation, how andhra can start new govt with no tax revenues from Hyderabad, etc.
As far as Chandrabhan comments, I'm not sure whether they are mutually exclusive options. At best, they seem to be random quotes from the report, not necessarily options. There is lot of other information that we need to know before we make sense out of them.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 23:20
by Dasari
Based on Charabhan's post, I looked at Meghnad Desai's views on Telangana. Apologize if it was already posetd.
Here he advocates the need to have a commission and why Mr Chidambaram unilateral decision on December 9 was wrong.
from YSR to KCR -by Meghnad Desai
When YSR died, the Congress mourned his loss but did not truly realise how hard it would be to fill the void left by him. This is because YSR had made Andhra Pradesh a purely local stronghold. He used the Congress Party as his home but in Andhra Pradesh it was a local party not the branch of the national party. Had YSR lived longer, Andhra Pradesh would have become an autonomous preserve, much like Tamil Nadu has become with the DMK and the AIADMK.
The bosses in Delhi don’t see it that way. They still hanker for the centralised leadership of the older Mrs Gandhi’s days. They think they run the country or even their party with an iron rod. Perhaps, the re-election in 2009 strengthened this belief. This is certainly what KCR discerned. He was needed while the UPA was yet to be re-elected. He was promised Telangana. But after May 2009 he was no longer needed. The Congress was home safe at the centre and in Andhra Pradesh as well thanks to YSR. KCR had to do something drastic to get his Telangana demand met.
He could see after YSR’s death that the HQ in Delhi had difficulty keeping a grip on the Andhra Congress. Jagan Reddy was somehow pacified but the unrest simmered. If the Congress High Command can divide and rule, so can KCR. Thus, he used the divisions within Congress to push his point. After all, the original demand for Andhra Pradesh had been granted only after Potti Sriramulu went on fast and died. Panditji was dead against linguistic states as he feared balkanisation of India. But he was on a losing wicket and through the 1950s, many more states were carved out on linguistic lines.
Even so, the sheer cackhandedness way in which KCR’s demand was granted is surprising. Someone in the HQ really thinks that they can unilaterally redraw the boundaries of India as and when. Those days are over and have been over for some twenty years. The Centre no longer has the power it used to have despite the fact that it still controls the purse strings.
In these matters, Rajiv Gandhi was very smart. He had none of the hang-ups of the earlier generations of the Dynasty about balkanisation. He was relaxed about creating new states since he could see as a person who had spent most of his life in independent India that India was here to stay and was not going to break up. Create as many states as you like, the more the better. They give good governance and local people get a sense of empowerment.
The BJP also overcame its fear of dividing India when it was in power. We now have many states in the North-East and also Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Uttarakhand. Then why not Telangana and Vidarabha and Bundelkhand and Gorkhaland?
Yes, of course, we can create them but we can do it only consensually and not unilaterally. The Congress leadership does not even rule its own satraps at the regional level much less other parties. So each demand has to be taken seriously but slowly. Telangana has been identifiable as a region for centuries and was the scene of a futile but bloody attempt by the Communists Party of India in the early years of independence to effect a Mao-style peasants’ war. It was there before Andhra Pradesh was formed. So, they should tell KCR that he will get what he wants but not anymore by blackmail tactics of fast-unto-death. There will have to be a long discussion especially about Hyderabad. Nor can we have a Chandigarh type solution of a shared capital. Geography is against it.
We need some creative thinking. India’s Federation is evolving. The curt way in which Articles 2 and 3 give the Centre the right to redraw boundaries will no longer suffice. Many more states are going to be on the anvil now. A new process has to be put in place which allows for each proposal to be debated without the farce of fasts unto death.
Perhaps a statutory commission, somewhat like the Finance Commission, which will adjudicate on all pending demands for new states, may do the trick.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 29 Dec 2010 23:30
by Dasari
Here he gives some solution and now I recall SKC making some statements along the lines of sharing the capital through regional boards. Perhaps Chandrabhan conjecture is correct.
Tackling Telangna - by Meghnad Desai, Indian Express
The Telangana situation has deteriorated even faster since Home Minister P Chidambaram announced the Centre’s willingness to grant the demand just a fortnight ago. The Congress later had second thoughts. It said yes, we will grant Telangana, sooner or later. This has made both sides angry.
Ideally, of course, there should be a statutory commission appointed to examine all the demands for new smaller states. Indeed, as I suggested in this column a fortnight ago, there should be a standing commission since these demands will keep on coming. Not only is there an argument for smaller states to fulfill the identity aspirations of Indians, but politicians see each new state as another cornucopia to amass a fortune. A combination of popular aspirations and professional greed is irresistible.
But a statutory standing commission may not satisfy the demands of the rioters for Telangana. The government has several unpalatable choices. It could wait till the movement loses its pace. After all, how many buses can you burn and how many shops (of fellow Telangana citizens) can you loot? It could impose President’s Rule and call elections within six months. It is unlikely that in the present atmosphere it could convene the Assembly and put the Telangana demand to a vote, though that is the required first step before anything else can happen. In any case, many MLAs having resigned, the rump of the Assembly is highly unlikely to vote in favour.
Given the complexity of the situation, what is needed is innovation or as they say in business school, some out-of-the-box thinking. My suggestion is that the government examine the case of Belgium as a key to the solution. Belgium is a democratic monarchy. It is deeply divided between the French-speaking Walloons and the Flemish-speaking Flamands. There has been much resentment between the two as the French were richer and bossed over the Flamands. There are French and Flemish parties across the left-right spectrum and each election results in weeks of consultation for coalition formation.
In 1968, Belgium erupted in a series of riots on the question of who had the claim to Brussels city, which is barely inside the northern Flamand region. The only way to settle the issue was to declare that Belgium was a country of two cultures and three regions. The Parliament dissolved itself into a regional assembly to discuss the question pertaining to each region and Brussels had its own group.
The analogy is not perfect. But once you grant Telangana, why not Rayalaseema and so on. The lesson from the example of Belgium is to make Andhra Pradesh into a ‘federal’ state with autonomous parts, which can have their own sub-assemblies. Andhra Pradesh can be declared as a state of three or four autonomous regions. The present Assembly can constitute the separate regional assemblies of Telangana, Rayalaseema etc. But some issue will be common to the whole of Andhra Pradesh as they were and have been up to now.
It is possible in such a sub-state arrangement to be flexible and have separate and concurrent lists of subjects for each group. The leader of each region can be called First Minister as they do in Scotland. This is another example from which India can learn.
The UK, one of most centralised polities in Europe, is now a country of four nations—England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Only the English do not have their own Assembly sine Parliament serves England as well the rest of the country. It has worked well for ten years and demands for an independent Scotland are on the wane.
The urgent demand for Telangana cannot be met if constitutional procedures are to be respected. A statutory commission is even less likely to give a quick verdict. If we were to explore the Belgium example, it may give everyone some breathing space. The government can say that within the constraints of time and legitimacy this is at least a temporary recognition of the demands for Telangana.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 04:41
by Muppalla
ShyamSP wrote:
If they can't prove non-T robbed T and T is not developed, splitting will be tough act unless Congress wants to risk and screw non-T.
Here is a real leak and not rumor. This is inline with the thinking.
Little economic rationale for Telangana state, finds panel
Nistula Hebbar
Posted online: 2010-12-30 03:12:07+05:30
New Delhi
The economic rationale for carving out Telangana from Andhra Pradesh tends to collapse, with the 10 districts in the supposedly backward region excelling the rest of the state as an investment destination in recent years. People associated with the Justice Srikrishna Commission confirmed to FE that a study by the panel did not corroborate the contention that these districts are backward in economic and human development terms. The panel is expected to submit its report to the government Friday.
The panel's study was on whether the Telangana region was backward compared to the rest of the state, especially Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra.
“The whole demand for Telangana, according to those agitating for it, is based on the contention that the 10 districts are backward in development and human development terms. The Commission during its work found that this was, in fact, not true. In the last few years, a lot of investment has flown into Hyderabad which is at the centre of the Telangana area. It has also been found that human indicators like Infant Mortality Rates (IMR) and Maternal Mortality Rates (MMR) in Telangana are comparable to Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra,” said a source. The committee toured all 23 districts in the state over the last couple of months before arriving at this conclusion.
“These are 10 districts within a state which have seen a lot of investment in recent years as well as improvement in healthcare and nutrition and employment opportunities. Comparatively, these districts are as good as the rest of the state,” the source added.
The Srikrishna panel is therefore not expected to recommend anything decisive about the demand for a separate state. On Tuesday, the Commission held a press conference where member secretary VK Duggal said that the panel would be presenting several options before the government as well as the pros and cons related to each proposal. “Hopefully, the largest number of people will have the highest sense of satisfaction with the report. We hope to achieve that,” he said.
Fearing trouble after the Commission presents its report, the Centre has rushed additional para military forces to Andhra Pradesh. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh went into a huddle with senior Cabinet colleagues including home minister P Chidambaram, defence minister AK Antony, besides law minister M Veerappa Moily, the Congress party official in charge of Andhra Pradesh. There is a distinct unease in the government in the run-up to the New Year, and the Srikrishna committee's report is expected to create more problems than solutions.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 05:08
by Sarma
^^^
Muppalla garu: Thanks a lot for posting the Financial Express article. For the first time, I am going to believe an article in this regard, and not dismiss it as kite flying.
Well, the economic argument for T collapses, the whole edifice built on lies collapses. Anyways, if the GoI gives a state based on the argument that the other fellow is responsible for my misfortune, that will be most unfortunate. I think T people should realize the speciousness of the argument that the rest of the state is responsible for their underdevelopment, and instead hold to account their public representatives.
I have to congratulate the rest of AP people for not blaming others, for example Telangana politicians, for their underdevelopment. Instead, they are holding their own representatives accountable.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 07:44
by chandrabhan
Sarmaji,
When I said I was floating around, I meant that I visited a Panel member's home while I was back in Mumbai for 20 days

Many a things were getting discussed including regional boards and I could not make any head or tail of them till I asked what was the topic of discussion. That's when i was told that this is about Telengana.
The things I have mentioned should be seen in the context that report contains not one but 3 solutions of the problem. I am sure all of them are in favour of meeting the aspirations of regional autonomy and someone had asked the Ex- Himachal Chief Secretary (also part of the panel) regarding his experiences of managing a small state, he was very happy and said that they were better to administer.
Everyone including Justice Srikrishna nodded and I heard them continuing their discussion over dinner and I listened as I did not want to show anymore interest.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 08:18
by Muppalla
chandrabhan wrote:Sarmaji,
When I said I was floating around, I meant that I visited a Panel member's home while I was back in Mumbai for 20 days

Many a things were getting discussed including regional boards and I could not make any head or tail of them till I asked what was the topic of discussion. That's when i was told that this is about Telengana.
The things I have mentioned should be seen in the context that report contains not one but 3 solutions of the problem. I am sure all of them are in favour of meeting the aspirations of regional autonomy and
someone had asked the Ex- Himachal Chief Secretary (also part of the panel) regarding his experiences of managing a small state, he was very happy and said that they were better to administer.
Everyone including Justice Srikrishna nodded and I heard them continuing their discussion over dinner and I listened as I did not want to show anymore interest.
chandrabhan ji - thx for the inputs.
The general technique is in showing success stories and saying everything will be same. Instead of Himachal chief-secretary, if they had talked to Jharkhand Chief Secretry they will get a different picture.
We are going to get the report in few hours. The crap will fall on the region and it is not going to be smooth irrespective of the whatever may be the report. These last few years the fissures have been created and widened.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 12:07
by ramana
Sify;
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The Hyderabad-based Deccan Chronicle reports that the Prime Minister is likely to constitute a GoM to study the Justice Srikrishna report before it is made public. Since the committee was appointed by the Union home ministry, there is no need to make its content public until the GoM (Group of Ministers) submits its report, sources told the paper.
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Brief note on the Justice Srikrishna committee: It is headed by Justice Bellur Narayanaswamy Srikrishna, the former Supreme Court justice. Justice Srikrishna famously headed the commission that probed the December 1992-1993 Mumbai riots.
The other members are Vinod Duggal, former Union Home Secretary, Ravindar Kaur, professor at IIT Delhi, Dr Abusaleh Sharif, a Senior Research Fellow at the New Delhi Office of the International Food Policy Research Institute and Prof (Dr) Ranbir Singh, Vice-Chancellor, National Law University, Jodhpur.
So Chandrbhan you were listening to these guys!
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 14:38
by Pratyush
Andhra politics on cross roads
The Congress is going through some very nervous moments in relation to politics in Andhra Pradesh. With Justice B.N.Srikrishna expected to give his report on the future of the state on Friday, the situation in Andhra is certainly going to be very tense. The irony is that if the report comes out for unified Andhra, there is bound to be trouble and if it calls for a separate Telengana, there is going to be trouble. And even if it is silent on the bifurcation and does not rule either way, there could be trouble. The only common thing is that Andhra Pradesh may witness some troubled times in the near future.
In fact, the trouble in Andhra is the creation of the Congress party itself. Without doing larger consultations and without getting the approval of the Cabinet, the Union Home Minister P.Chidambaram went ahead and announced the creation of Telengana after a meeting of the Congress core group on December 9, 2009. The Srikrishna committee was constituted when the government discovered that the ramifications were going to be very dangerous and could affect its continuation. After all, it was because of Andhra Pradesh that the UPA-1 and later the UPA-2 were formed. The mandate in both the polls was for a unified Andhra but some people after Y.S.Rajasekhar’s death thought that it would be best to split the state.
They failed to realize that the separation could affect the continuation of the Andhra state government to begin with and could ultimately have an impact even on the Central government given that 33 Congress MPs of Lok Sabha belong to the state.
This is what is worrying the Congress now. The Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh had a meeting with his senior Cabinet colleagues to take stock of the situation on Wednesday. Even he must be realizing the gravity of the situation and knows in his heart of hearts that an instable Andhra would imply an instable Centre so far as this government goes. On top of that the wrong handling of YSR’s son, Jaganmohan, which led to his resignation from the party, also spells a major threat to the Congress in the long run. Jaganmohan is emerging as a very popular leader and is considered by many as the future CM of the state. If the move was simply to prevent him from becoming more powerful, the Congress seems to have totally miscalculated. Even after YSR’s death, the Congress made the mistake of appointing K.Rosiah as the state’s CM citing his seniority. Everyone knows that Rosiah is from the Vaish community and in Andhra; Politicians who are either Kamma’s or Reddys can thrive in the electoral game. He was a month ago eased out to make way for young and inexperienced Kiran Reddy. Though it may be premature to judge him so early, it is unlikely, Kiran has the capacity to hold the Congress flock together.
On the whole my take is that Andhra trouble could be a major trouble for the Congress and the Central government. The issue will cause incalculable damage to the governments in power both at the State and the Centre.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 15:12
by jiteshn
SriKrishna Committee Report Leaked !
Hurrah! SriKrishna Committee Report has been leaked. Here are some of the salient points:
For Separate Telangana State:
Overwhelming majority in Telangana seeks a separate state; the current ten districts of Telangana could be carved into a separate state with Hyderabad as its capital;
Pros: Enough indications suggest that this region was neglected and its people discriminated against; a separate state would address many of the concerns ailing this region. For example, a new state of Telangana would definitely get more water and therefore bring prosperity to the region. Could also lead to elimination of Naxal Movement because people will get a political voice in Indian democracy.
Cons: Seemandhra people may get disappointed and may burn some buses in Seemandhra region.
For United State:
Majority in Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema would like to keep the state united; the status quo could be maintained with introduction of regional board for each region – Telangana, Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema, and special packages could be given for neglected and backward districts.
Pros: no change required to current administration setup; will make people of Seemandhra extremely happy; Telangana people will be under superior rulers of Seemandhra region.
Cons: will make people of Telangana extremely unhappy; could lead to massive agitations and uprising in Telangana, but our outstanding Indian Army and Air Force can easily suppressing it with less than 5 lakh people dead; could lead to escalation of Naxal Movement like it happened in the aftermath of 1969.
For Separate Hyderabad State or Union Territory:
Some pockets and colonies in Hyderabad seek separate status away from the rogues and villains of Telangana; all the houses and colonies seeking separate Hyderabad could be made into a separate state or union territory. Though disjoint geographically, which will result in collection of conclaves completely surrounded by Telangana as first-of-its-kind experiment in human history, it will satisfy the aspirations of these people.
Pros: The map will like speckle of dust, making it very interesting in class room discussions all around the word.
Cons: Telangana people may want to charge a cess of 200 rupees each time the residents of this region enter Telangana. Even if the kid wants to play coming out of the home and enter Telangana, he has to pay up. All these entry fees into Telangana, with complete dependence for water and power on Telangana, it may result in negative GDP for this region.
Sharing capital city:
There are some people from Seemandhra who do not want to let go of Telangana and would like to hold onto the city, and as a compromise suggest sharing of Hyderabad city as capital for both the regions of Telangana and Seemandhra. A model like Berlin during Cold War is proposed with a wall to separate the two sections of the city.
Pros: Though it is not in their culture, Seemandhras could still have easy access to Hyderabadi Biryani; A Hyderabad Wall (like Berlin Wall) manned by military will be a tourist spot and make interesting stories for movies, like love affairs between couple living on different sides of the wall.
Cons: Like with Berlin, Seemandhra has to airlift all amenities like water and food to its residents since their part of the city is completely surrounded by Telangana.
For merger with Pakistan:
Few individuals in some small conclaves in Hyderabad still dream of restoring Hyderabad State by annexing Marathwada and Karnatak region and then merge it with Pakistan; though it is not possible to restore the erstwhile Hyderabad State, it is possible to create small conclaves of Pakistan inside India.
Pros: Creation of small Pakistan inside India may lead to some hilarious bonhomie with Pakistan.
Cons: The residents may need a visa to step out of their homes. In case of war, this region can be used by Pakistan to launch nuclear strike against India from within India.
Remerging of Seemandhra with Tamil Nadu
There are some Telanganas who propose that Seemandhras should set an example of remaining in a ‘united state’ by remerging Seemandhra region with Tamil Nadu.
Pros: Tamils will now have someone to kick around the way Andhras had Telanganas all this while.
Cons: Andhras will be kicked around now like their Telangana brothers.
[This is a parody of the report based on the statement made by VK Duggal, a member of SriKrishna Committee, who said that the report would offer “several options with their pros and cons.”]
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 17:41
by chandrabhan
ramana wrote:Sify;
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The Hyderabad-based Deccan Chronicle reports that the Prime Minister is likely to constitute a GoM .....ber 1992-1993 Mumbai riots.
The other members are Vinod Duggal, former Union Home Secretary, Ravindar Kaur, professor at IIT Delhi, Dr Abusaleh Sharif, a Senior Research Fellow at the New Delhi Office of the International Food Policy Research Institute and Prof (Dr) Ranbir Singh, Vice-Chancellor, National Law University, Jodhpur.
So Chandrbhan you were listening to these guys!
Ramana Sir,
Check mail I have answered
Thanks
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 19:11
by Muppalla
Though it was instructed strictly to not leak or wite opinions, per media channels, the salient features seems to be:
(1) For the next three years concentrate on dev and if nothing happens give T in 2014
(2) Will it be a state or will it be a Bodo hill council type is another point. Probably for the next three years there may be a T council will devolution of financial power.
Anyway, too much of secrecy is going on and Chidu wants to have an all party meeting before releasing the docs to public. Two volumes of large report it is.
The saga continues ...
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 19:47
by Sarma
Muppalla garu:
If, as per Financial Express, it turns out that there really was no economic discrimination, and all such claims are debunked, then what is the need for financial devolution or any such special measures? What would be the need to move toward a T-state if all allegations of "Dochukunnaru" are debunked?
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 21:05
by Dasari
Meanwhile Krishna water tribunal headed by Brijesh Kumar punished Andhra Pradesh further by taking the approximately 300 TMC of water away from AP and awarded to Maharastra and Karnataka. There is nothing wrong in awarding he excess water to maharatrsta and karnataka but he used shocking 65% dependability figure to arrive at these numbers. In reality this excess water is not there during regular season. Therefore, during non flood season , there will be severe shortage of water for Rayalaseema and Telangana regions. Delta may survive once pulichintala is completed. But Handri-niva, veligonda, kulvakurthy and telugu ganga projects supporting rayalaseema and telangana areas will be in serious trouble.
In this scenario, if AP is divided, the Rayalaseema and Andhra will go into smoke. Once farmers get involved, congress will be wiped out here.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 21:16
by Muppalla
Sarma wrote:Muppalla garu:
If, as per Financial Express, it turns out that there really was no economic discrimination, and all such claims are debunked, then what is the need for financial devolution or any such special measures? What would be the need to move toward a T-state if all allegations of "Dochukunnaru" are debunked?
Not doing somthing is out of question. The committe and the political parties (including those who vehmently oppose the state division) knows the ground situation. The strenght of T-movement is far stronger in 2003-2011 than that was in 1969. Similary the opposition to division or losing Hyd to T is also as much stronger.
Irrespective of who created and going into who is right, there needs a solution that could start cooling off the tempers. The movements on either side are not crushable and repercussions of crushing are not bearable. On top of that India and AP has only politicians and not leaders.
Lies though perpetrated by vested interests, you cannot take it out of a common man. So as a middle ground one of the options is to give a Bodo council type mechanism to T. I am not saying this will be acceptable to T folks. They know the situation that current central government is vulenerable and there may not be such a weak dispensation again. They will reject all these formulas and options.
On a hindsight such a financial devolution to all the regions is good. Inter regional stuff can be handled by the state government.
By the way this is one of the options.
But it is interesting to note that all the leaks are saying that T state will form in 2014.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 21:34
by Sarma
Well put Muppalla garu. You've cogently expressed the ground scenario. BTW, which leaks are you referring to that say T will form in 2014? So, far none I have come across say anything like that.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 21:35
by ramana
So kicking the can a few years to 2014 ie same as nex elections and meanwhile an economic package.
RamaY where are you? Take a look at your simulation.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 22:10
by Muppalla
Sarma wrote:Well put Muppalla garu. You've cogently expressed the ground scenario. BTW, which leaks are you referring to that say T will form in 2014? So, far none I have come across say anything like that.
There is more chatter on the Twitter. I am not referring to generall chatter but from some journalists.
Added later:
Even ABN, TV9 etc have put those as breaking news banners for a while before they removed them.
Re: Telangana Monitor
Posted: 30 Dec 2010 22:20
by Muppalla
ramana wrote:So kicking the can a few years to 2014 ie same as nex elections and meanwhile an economic package.
RamaY where are you? Take a look at your simulation.
If they do that they can play the game that TDP is currently playing. T-sentiment is perennial. Now TDP is quite and leaving the solution responsibility to INC and will take the post solution advantage. If you postpone the solution to 2014 but have an assembly election in 2011 October, the winner of the state elections has to decide the solution. Even INC expects that it will lose the election for sure.
The onus of creating the T will be in the hands of TDP, TRS and probably Jagan's party. It will not be INC. Same strategy that used against Laloo when they created JHK. Laloo never wanted JHK. He accepted to remain as CM for atleast the divided Bihar.
BJP will help INC on this feature. However, if center falls before that this will all be a different ball game.