Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 17 Apr 2014 06:55

What a visionary man! Namo Namah!

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Apr 2014 06:55

Better yet, why not make MH a state or union territory of the US? It can house US military bases and Chavan be the pimp for the whores outside the gate of Mumbai AFB.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 17 Apr 2014 06:59

Just like NaMO, it's best to ignore the these idiots. It's not worth the time and effort to comment on. It may not be doing much good to our health too.
I only wish these interviews dwell more on his vision of India rather than 2002, topi etc etc. I am hungry to hear from him on his plans.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Apr 2014 07:01

LokeshC wrote:I just hope Modi does not become an Ombaba. So much hope, so much aspiration and literally nothing to show for it after the election (other than a miserable ACA).

Ombaba was and is an empty suit with no executive experience and never served as governor. Do not worry as Modi is not him - in American relevance Modi will be a hybrid of Reagan and TR.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Apr 2014 07:22

I understand why NaMo didn't push the envelop but it is very interesting to note that Indian spiritual thought is (artificially) limited to Buddha, Mahavira & Gandhi.

Imagine the uproar if Modi reminded the idiot Media that Bharatiyata means those Hindu pantheon of Avataras, Durga, Kali etc., and how Bharatiyata truly means standing for Dharma and destroying Adharma even with violence when the opposition demands for it and so on

Hindustaniyat resulted in fight various Abrahamic invaders for centuries over many generations irrespective of the human, economical, social cost associated with it and standing defiantly.

manju · Post by **manju** » 17 Apr 2014 07:22

morem wrote:
amol wrote:Just in time for the 17th... converted two votes from Cong to NaMo in Bangalore south. However two more potential votes wasted - they haven't received their Voter ID cards.
Amolji ,
probably you already know this but Voter ID card is not necessary as long as their name is in the voter list. My name is in the Voter List but i do not have Voter ID card.
There are several photo ID documents one can carry in lieu of Voter ID card , all listed on the ceokarnataka site

Me trapped in massa (just miss), cant vote.

My SHQ was complaining that her DOB is wrong in the voter ID. I called to clarify that she would not have to show a secondary ID if she was listed in the voter list.

The first thing she said on answering the phone "I just voted, I did not even look at other symbols, pressed the Kamal button!"

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 17 Apr 2014 07:27

RamaY wrote:I understand why NaMo didn't push the envelop but it is very interesting to note that Indian spiritual thought is (artificially) limited to Buddha, Mahavira & Gandhi.

Excellent observation. The joke is that these three signified not Hindu thought but a radical departure from it. The real Hindu thought is in Gita and Upanishads.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 17 Apr 2014 07:34

LokeshC wrote:I just hope Modi does not become an Ombaba. So much hope, so much aspiration and literally nothing to show for it after the election (other than a miserable ACA).

EDIT: I am sure Modi is capable, but our expectations should be more calibrated towards what he can do right now. The real fix might take a few more election cycles and it may or maynot be Modiji that carries it out.

i don't think that will be an issue. in our parliamentary setup we cannot have a lower house majority that can be different from the executive. BJP/NDA has enough strength in assemblies to be comfortable with the rajya sabha too (unlike the senate elections and the filibuster stuff they have in US).

massa is all so hyped up about its "we have the best system, with its checks and balances blah blah blah"..look closely and you can see the system is easily rigged with gerrymandering and powerful monied lobbies that can prevent the will of the people not reflected in many issues that affect them (guns, immigration, minimum wage, taxes, etc etc..the list is long).

if modi gets a comfortable majority, then he cannot be forced to accept tainted/compromised ministers from allies (or own party for that matter) and that is all that is needed to enforce his agenda. the bureaucracy etc can be whipped into shape in no time. a few transfers of bad people to punishment postings and promotion of honest people will set the ball rolling in the right direction.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Apr 2014 07:35

^^
None of the are accepted as Vedic and Astika Darshanas.

Anyways.. so much deracination and conscious effort to undermine the spiritual foundations of 850million native Indians.

Can only happen in India.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 Apr 2014 07:48

Karan M wrote:those 12 years of constant demonization strengthened this man thanks to his willpower and self belief. otoh pappu and the media flunkeys just took things for granted.

i do hope he cleans up the NGO-media- religious leader nexus as well.

and a whole lotta honchos in high places of media and education would find their heads rolling (figuratively speaking) as well. while we on brf speak about things like foreign backing by analysing behaviourial patterns, the intel agencies are sitting on years of concrete info that the current govt have done nothing about. those files are getting dusted.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Apr 2014 07:53

SanjayC wrote:
RamaY wrote:I understand why NaMo didn't push the envelop but it is very interesting to note that Indian spiritual thought is (artificially) limited to Buddha, Mahavira & Gandhi.
Excellent observation. The joke is that these three signified not Hindu thought but a radical departure from it. The real Hindu thought is in Gita and Upanishads.

Sanjay'ji - to argue that Buddha & Mahavira signified a radical departure from the Hindu thought itself is a de-racinated philosophy! Neither Buddha or Mahavira argued any differently from the Hindu thought as espoused in Gita and Upanishads.

I would not put Gandhi in that place., the myth around Gandhi has been created by the Nehru Dynasty to ensure their dynastic perpetuation.

What has been done by the DIE and dogs and dogginis of the west is that they created an artificial and hence a limited thought around Buddha and Mahavira. For example the parable of the Mahavira with the snake itself is flawed. If you listen to the older generation they have a slightly different parable.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Apr 2014 07:56

Gus wrote:massa is all so hyped up about its "we have the best system, with its checks and balances blah blah blah"..look closely and you can see the system is easily rigged with gerrymandering and powerful monied lobbies that can prevent the will of the people not reflected in many issues that affect them (guns, immigration, minimum wage, taxes, etc etc..the list is long).

Frankly SC judges, once confirmed, have almost god like powers over US citizenry. They have returned several close but strangely non-intuitive (read against the natural law) verdicts in recent years. A bad judge has to kick the bucket before one is rid of him (for example Clarence Thomas almost surely was at fault in sexually harassing Anita Hill).

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Apr 2014 08:03

Raja Bose wrote:With "leaders" like these in power who are willing to sell their country for personal gain, no wonder India is in the pig sty.

Ironically the man's full name is Prithiviraj Chavan (the great rajputra prithviraj chauhaNa who repulsed the western invaders several times before succumbing to fatigue).

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 17 Apr 2014 08:08

All the current elite around the Dienasty must be very busy moving assets from Lichtenstein Bahamas St. Kitts to Dubai based banks of Dawood bhai

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Apr 2014 08:12

Mort Walker wrote:Better yet, why not make MH a state or union territory of the US? It can house US military bases and Chavan be the pimp for the whores outside the gate of Mumbai AFB.

What crime did rest of MH and brihanmubai do? Just make the south mumbai (most are in US anyway if not physically figuratively) and Juhu Parle Scheme (bollywood glitterati some whom think that their world will end if Modi comes to power and probably their world will end) part of US. US can have the world trade center in Cuffe Parade too as a bonus. All who don;t want anything to do with these jokes can move out to navi mumbai or Andheri and north where there are no limits to the land. At least they will be escaping that noisome s**t creek called mahim creek.
These guys are raising a stink in mumbai.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 17 Apr 2014 08:17

Nijalingappa wrote:All the current elite around the Dienasty must be very busy moving assets from Lichtenstein Bahamas St. Kitts to Dubai based banks of Dawood bhai

This must have already happened when Uncle Sam went foraging for offshore accounts in Europe. It is all safe in Dubai and the island chain of IOR.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 17 Apr 2014 08:17

L K Advani will make better PM than Narendra Modi: Jaswant Singh
Vimal Bhatia,TNN | Apr 17, 2014, 01.52 AM IST

JAISALMER: Former BJP leader and Independent candidate from Barmer-Jaisalmer parliamentary seat Jaswant Singh claimed on Wednesday that L K Advani would be a better PM than Narendra Modi.

"Advani has the capacity to conciliate, to bring together and absorb differences which Modi does not have. If you have to have a political coalition, then Advani is infinitely better as a choice," he said.

Replying to a question whether Modi is fit to be PM, he said: "I do not think Modi can achieve that status, whether he deserves it or not is yet to be established. As a successful CM of a state, are you then naturally a successful PM? I don't think the equation runs like that. No CM of a state other than Narasimha Rao has succeeded in it. The logic does not automatically follow that line."

He said, "for me it's a remarkable election. In most elections, the candidate tries to woo the constituency. I'm not exaggerating or overstating. In this particular election, electorate is ahead of the candidate. I had earlier assumed that the wound is individual, insult is subjectively individual. But it is not. It's astonishing how across the constituency, it's the largest constituency, almost as large as the state of Israel, the electorate of Jaisalmer and Barmer feel they've been played with, their aspirations not looked at. The last minute trying of a Congress discard, who contested against us few months back, was abusing the BJP."

When asked whom does he blame for the wounds, just Vasundhara Raje or Modi as well, he said: "Principally these two since they are directly responsible for creating this situation. The reason given by Rajnath Singh that 'No, I cannot explain why I took such a decision' was a political decision. I don't know what the politics in this decision-making has been. And I charge Rajnath Singh for this kind of scheming for not allowing me to contest from my home constituency where they had no candidate. So with the chief minister. And this whole issue shouldn't have been handled in this fashion".

On Modi wave, he said the Modi wave is certainly not in Barmer and Jaisalmer. There is no Modi wave here. The results will show that.

When asked about Rajnath's meeting with Shia leaders but questioning Sonia for meeting Shahi Imam, he said: "I know there are double standards. I've suffered at the hands of these double standards, not once but twice. I wrote a book which nobody has read and the party president says you are expelled on telephone. For heaven's sake, what are you doing? And they invite me back. I go back to the party. And in few years hibernation time, I'm again out of the party. I think Rajnath Singh is very uncomfortable with my presence. And so is Vasundhara Raje".

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 17 Apr 2014 08:19

Gus wrote:
massa is all so hyped up about its "we have the best system, with its checks and balances blah blah blah"..look closely and you can see the system is easily rigged with gerrymandering and powerful monied lobbies that can prevent the will of the people not reflected in many issues that affect them (guns, immigration, minimum wage, taxes, etc etc..the list is long).

It actually is the best system for a geographically large and diverse population. With the electoral college and 2-houses of a parliament, neither side (executive or legislature) has an advantage. The Westminster parliamentary system works for small EU countries and IMHO is not the best option for India. An electoral college for the president and 2-year election in the lower house generally keeps the lower house responsive to the peoples desires. An upper house where 2 seats for each state regardless of size balances large state's concerns with a smaller state. It has worked amazingly well.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 17 Apr 2014 08:21

Hari Seldon wrote:Yawn.

The surest sign that your opponent has lost the argument? S/he brings out the "nazi" bugbear...

Hari saar,
the first time I heard someone compare Hindhuthva to Nazis or Hitler, it threw me off. It was some years ago and I didn't understand the comparison or relevance. First and foremost, coming from a Bhaarathiya background, I didn't view Hitler as the biggest villain in the world. Hitler may be bad or good, I didn't care. To me, the villain was EIC or colonial brits or jihadhis. If anyone was compared to such entities, then I would have thought it as an abuse. Hitler's war against the west helped Bhaarath because it weakened the colonials. So, I don't think Bhaarathiyas view Hitler as the biggest villain in the world. I think this applies to most of the world. Its not that Hitler is liked or loved by people. Its just that he is not seen as the worst human being in the world because people may think that there are other villains who are worst than Hitler. For example, for many Bhaarathiyas, the brit regime or the jihadhi regimes were the worst. Most Bhaarathiyas, I think, consider colonial brits or jihadhis to be the bigger villain than Nazis. People who consider Hitler to be the biggest villain in the world are those who fought against Nazis and Jews. So, in those countries or cultures, one can understand Hitler being used as an abusive word. But, in Bhaarathiya context, it is an alien comparison with no relevance or venom. Hitler may be a bad guy, but brits seem to be the worst from Bhaarathiya experience. The fact that Subash Bose was ready to take the help of Hitler to defeat the brits shows this.

So, when some Bhaarathiyas keep brandishing Hitler's name to scare the opponents, it actually tells me that these people are cut off from ground realities/native history of Bhaarath and instead are influenced by the bhestern countries.

On the other hand, most Bhaarathiyas compare the corrupt and bad governments with EIC/brits/jihadhis(like Aurangzeb/Nizaam). Such comparisons rooted in native history show that these people are anchored to the native experience instead of simply aping some phoreners.

It actually raises a bigger question: why is hitler the biggest villain of the world? Why not stalin who killed many Russians and other soviets? Why not brits and other colonials who embarked on huge number of deaths and genocides using famines?

It seems all the policies that were followed by Nazis were already used by other countries like Brits, Amirkhan, Roos, ...etc. It seems the idea of concentration camps was used by the brits, amirkhan and the russians. And the brits had immense number of deaths due to forced famines because of forced plantation of opium and indigo.

It is an insult that when brits have killed so many Bhaarathiyas, people talk as if brits are angels. Manly Singh was praising the brit rule. This is another feature: the same Bhaarathiyas who praise the phoren rules, evoke the name of Hitler as the villain in their arguments to scare the opponents.

Actually, there should be some statistical analysis:
number of deaths due to brit colonialism vs number of deaths due to nazis vs number of deaths due to amirkhan invasions vs number of deaths due to soviets.
property damage due to brit colonialism vs property damage due to nazis vs property damage due to amirkhan invasions vs property damage due to soviets.(adjusted for inflation)
number of people in concentration camps due to brit colonialism vs number of people in concentration camps due to nazis vs number of people in concentration camps due to amirkhan invasions vs number of people in concentration camps due to soviets.
number of unarmed people killed due to brit colonialism vs number of unarmed people killed due to nazis vs number of unarmed people killed due to amirkhan invasions vs number of unarmed people killed due to soviets.

Such statistics will show which regime stands where in terms of absolute villainy.

PS: To clarify, I am not saying that Hitler was a great guy. All I am saying is that most Bhaarathiyas hardly care about Hitler, so using his name as abuse is not effective because it is not rooted in Bhaarathiya experience. In Bhaarathiya experience, brits/jihadhis have been the devious villains due to their colonial/bad rule which killed many Bhaarathiyas. If anyone is called as a neo-EIC/aurangzeb, then it would be considered an abuse by most Bhaarathiyas. If one carefully watches, Modi actually uses this lexicon to target his opponents. Modi calls the dilli sarkaar as dilli sultanate. So, Modi's comparisons are rooted in native history and experience while his opponents comparisons seem to be borrowed from bhestern history and its experience. This, in short, shows that the battle is between people who are rooted in the Bhaarath and people who are rooted in bhest.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 17 Apr 2014 08:23

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 17 Apr 2014 08:32

Chavan is now a candidate for expedited green card heard from SD source grapevine.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Apr 2014 08:39

Mort Walker wrote:It actually is the best system for a geographically large and diverse population. With the electoral college and 2-houses of a parliament, neither side (executive or legislature) has an advantage. The Westminster parliamentary system works for small EU countries and IMHO is not the best option for India. An electoral college for the president and 2-year election in the lower house generally keeps the lower house responsive to the peoples desires. An upper house where 2 seats for each state regardless of size balances large state's concerns with a smaller state. It has worked amazingly well.

The Constituent Assembly rejected the American system in favor of the Westminster system because the later promised a faster rate of change. Unlike Americans, Indians do not have to put up with a government they dislike until the term runs out.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 17 Apr 2014 08:46

vera_k wrote:The Constituent Assembly rejected the American system in favor of the Westminster system because the later promised a faster rate of change. Unlike Americans, Indians do not have to put up with a government they dislike until the term runs out.

That thinking has been proved conclusively wrong with UPA-2

. The current govt has been tolerated for at least 3 years beyond expiry date..

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 17 Apr 2014 09:02

Nijalingappa wrote:Chavan is now a candidate for expedited green card heard from SD source grapevine.

Which Chavan? CM or ex-CM ?

Maha may be a surprise pack with a perfect zero for INC this time.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 17 Apr 2014 09:10

Arjun wrote:That thinking has been proved conclusively wrong with UPA-2 . The current govt has been tolerated for at least 3 years beyond expiry date..

^ Yes, I think the anti-defection laws are to blame for this.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Apr 2014 09:21

Muppalla wrote:
Nijalingappa wrote:Chavan is now a candidate for expedited green card heard from SD source grapevine.Which Chavan? CM or ex-CM ?
Maha may be a surprise pack with a perfect zero for INC this time.

How Many E visa issued in last or this month?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 17 Apr 2014 09:24

vera_k wrote:
Arjun wrote:That thinking has been proved conclusively wrong with UPA-2 . The current govt has been tolerated for at least 3 years beyond expiry date..
^ Yes, I think the anti-defection laws are to blame for this.

If the intent is to make the govt more 'responsive' to changes in public opinion - shorter terms (4 years like US) seems a better solution. Anti-defection should have been combined with shorter terms.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 17 Apr 2014 09:48

Modi's agenda becoming explicit even with the choice of channels he chooses to speak to....India TV, TV9, ANI. These are all Indian companies promoted by Indian entrepreneurs. Modi has made it emphatically clear that he wants Indian Media to dominate over both Western media and what he calls 'Newstraders'.....

This is the same mentality that he holds for every industry across the country. 'Brand India' will truly become a reality when Modi comes to power.

Frederic · Post by **Frederic** » 17 Apr 2014 09:54

Report on calling voters in South Chennai, 2nd day:
*************************************
*Another 20 people reached. All, I mean, all 20 promised to vote for BJP.
*4 out of 20 I reached were BJP karyakarthas!
*Mood ranges from euphoric to cautiously optimistic among the karyakarthas.
*Spoke to one worker quite close to L.Ganeshan. The earlier report that Thiruvanmiyur locality was neglected is false. There has already been a big meeting conducted during the very first days.
*Word on the street is that the Muslim orgs arm twisted Amma to spew venom against Modi. As the contest is triangular in most constituencies ( AIDMK vs DMK vs NDA), a few 1000 votes could decide the outcome. Thus Muslims hold the trump card apparently in many seats. Thus Amma's new found fury against NaMo.
*Will keep calling.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 17 Apr 2014 09:58

Infact,today morning spoke to a RSS Kaaryavaah about tiruvanmiyur meeting.He replied that meetings have taken place.Said he will carry the message.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Apr 2014 09:59

Friends any link to Anupamkher on new hour today? Thx

BTW called friends/family in Blore so they go vote Abki Bar....

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Apr 2014 10:00

I hope people are keeping in mind about strategic goals while discussing Bangladesh. An example of plan going haywire will suffice ‘Vasectomy colony’ faces population explosion

More on this: link. The population density of Bangladesh seems to be way more than pakis, and we have set up fence at border with pakis already.

Just to demonstrate we are fecing a far big problem than understood and solved well.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Apr 2014 10:00

It would be historic in TN, if they can get 10 seats!

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 17 Apr 2014 10:15

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/jagdishshetty/statu ... 9412209664
Jagdish Shetty ‏@jagdishshetty 2h

In a letter to the Secretary, Ministry of Corporate Affairs, Subramanian Swamy pointed out that as per the Ministry’s own website, Priyanka Vadra had applied for and duly received three DIN numbers. These include 01038703, 01840144 and 02914391 – which is a violation of the Company Act and the Income Tax Act. Interestingly, Robert Vadra’s mother Maureen Vadra has also been allotted two DIN numbers – 01840680 and 01839769.

Section 155 of Companies Act 2013 prohibits any person have having more than one DIN. It says: No individual, who has already been allotted a Director Identification Number under section 154, shall apply for, obtain or possess another Director Identification Number.

On MCA website (http://www.mca.gov.in/DCAPortalWeb/dca/ ... hod=search) none of Priyanka Vadra's DIN works (yet to be processed). Maureen's first DIN is active and the second one is yet to be processed

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 17 Apr 2014 10:20

amol wrote:Just in time for the 17th... converted two votes from Cong to NaMo in Bangalore south. However two more potential votes wasted - they haven't received their Voter ID cards.

If the name is in the voter list you dont need the voter id card, any id card will do, you will just have to fill up some form. Its still early, make them vote.

SaraLax · Post by **SaraLax** » 17 Apr 2014 10:26

Frederic wrote:Report on calling voters in South Chennai, 2nd day:
*************************************
*Another 20 people reached. All, I mean, all 20 promised to vote for BJP.
*4 out of 20 I reached were BJP karyakarthas!
*Mood ranges from euphoric to cautiously optimistic among the karyakarthas.
*Spoke to one worker quite close to L.Ganeshan. The earlier report that Thiruvanmiyur locality was neglected is false. There has already been a big meeting conducted during the very first days.
*Word on the street is that the Muslim orgs arm twisted Amma to spew venom against Modi. As the contest is triangular in most constituencies ( AIDMK vs DMK vs NDA), a few 1000 votes could decide the outcome. Thus Muslims hold the trump card apparently in many seats. Thus Amma's new found fury against NaMo.
*Will keep calling.

Please ask the South Chennai BJP guys to come by K.K.Nagar side --- This is the area in which people of numerous apartments put special kolam/rangoli, sang bhajans & did arathi for the bust of Swami Vivekananda sitting in Chariot & getting pulled by Ramakrishna Mission members - as recent as in January 2014 during Swami Vivekananda's 150th Birth anniversary celebrations. Big number of middle class people to be wooed for & waiting to be pulled in on voting day in this area but apparently ADMK & AAP seem to be patrolling the roads with their Tata Magic & auto vehicles in these areas more often than BJP. BJP campaign has been rarely seen (was seen once, going around , playing a not-so-clear to hear "NaMo's Chennai speech in Hindi + Tamil Translation" track in their auto vehicle) in this area. But BJP's ad campaign in local FM radio stations though seems to have struck well among some people. The AAP guys seem to have picked up on Rajnikanth's hit Tamil film song tunes and replaced it with words from their propaganda material. ADMK guys have carpet bombed the area with their flyers last week itself and sent SMSs in name of their candidate for the Tamil New Year day celebrations.

I gave my contact details in this forum but haven't been approached for calling up & seeking votes.

Sridhar K · Post by **Sridhar K** » 17 Apr 2014 10:31

Damn, I am travelling to London next week on official work along with my colleague and both will miss our vote for Modi. One vote lost from my friend for L Ganesan and my vote would have been to the MDMK candidate for Sriperumbudur.

However, ADMK and DMK has been campaigning heavily and it took me a month to figure out that my seat is with MDMK (NDA). No poster, media silence and hardly any campaigning by NDA. DMK is expected to win this seat per local sources. Got an automated call from ADMK where Amma's talk to the voter is played. ADMK is also advertising heavily through radio

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 17 Apr 2014 10:58

Kureel at it again...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Apr 2014 11:01

As long as name is in voter id list, you can vote by showing pan card, passport, aadhar card any govt issued id proof. No addr proof needed. Photo on printed roll they have will be match to ur face.

Also do not depend on the ceo karnataka website to find ur name. Both mine and my neighbours name were not there, and neither we had the epic card, but she went earlier, got both our voting slips from the bjp booth which had paper rolls and phoned me to come over.

So if anyone is sitting back , let them go to where the neighbours have gone in terms of booth and check there. Dont waste a single potential vote.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 17 Apr 2014 11:37

RamaY wrote:
vivek.rao wrote:I have a feeling that Modi has to crack whip and crush Ambanis,Bajajs and Jindals.
I was talking to some AAPTard the other day on this topic of big bad businesses.

What is the way out?

Should we nationalize the industry? We have seen the effects and waste of that strategy. Projects runing for decades, production inefficiencies, lack of consumer awareness and so on..

How is it in India we import about $300b industrial products per yr manufactured by even more bad industrial giants?

Let's take Reliance petrochemicals. Is it a net +ve or -ve to nation with all its refinery technology, products, employment, forex savings (it exports lot of refined products), stockholder wealth and so on?

What is the alternative to the so-called industrial/economic progress? Hindu rate of backwardness?

Why can't India have its own Jagat Sets, Rothshields, Rokerfillers who can help India become an industrial and military giant that can in its worst form cause genocide of Anglo-Saxon world?

Or is the right to genocide is reserved for Anglo-Saxon world?

The state of affairs is so pathetic that we import even CPU cabinets from china, forget about chips. And that is when we export iron ore to to them.