Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14222
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by svinayak »

Afghanistan, as a land-locked country, is a component of a multi-national economic and social system, with southern and northern regions demarcated by the Hindu Kush. No war can be won in Afghanistan without winning it in Pakistan, in eastern Iran, and the southern reaches of the "Stans." Alexander the Great apparently understood that better than all subsequent western generals who tried.
Alexander did not see the region into many countries and ethnicities as we see in the modern era.

What he saw was one big Hindu kingdom steching from Persian border to other side of the eastern world.
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

Chahbahar port: India, Iran, Afghanistan to set up group
Express news service : New Delhi, Mon Aug 27 2012, 02:53 hrs

Ahead of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Tehran for the NAM summit, India and Iran have agreed to set up a joint working group along with Afghanistan to discuss the development of the strategically important Chahbahar port in Iran. A trilateral meeting between Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai and the Deputy Foreign Ministers of Iran and Afghanistan took place in Tehran on Sunday during which the decision to set up the joint working group was taken.

“The objective of the meeting was to explore ways to expand trade and transit cooperation, including investment, among the three countries starting with the Chahbahar Port. It was agreed that a JWG comprising representatives of the three countries would meet within the next three months at Chahbahar to take the discussions forward. It was agreed that the exact date of the meeting would be decided through diplomatic channels,” a statement from the Ministry of External Affairs said.

The Chahbahar port, which has road connectivity to the Afghan border, provides India an alternate route to Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan. Tehran has moved rather slowly on this project despite India having built the Zaranj-Delaram road from the Afghan side of the Iran-Afghanistan border.

However, at a time when its economic health is suffering on account of international sanctions, the necessity to engage India has prodded Iran to move forward.

On Saturday, before he left for Iran, Mathai gave a clear update on the Chahbahar project and underlined why the port remained so important for India. “We have just received a report analysing various options in the light of what Iran plans for the port. It has a number of different possibilities and we are studying it. The Iranians have plans for developing also the rail lines which will go from

Chahbahar not only towards the Afghan border but further to the Turkmen border through Mashaq. All these raise a number of very interesting possibilities in terms of the reconstruction at the industrial developments in Afghanistan in which we have a very large stake,” he said.

Iran is hosting the NAM summit later this week which will be attended by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. The PM will have bilateral meetings with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Bottom is significant particularly Ayatollah Khamanei - India preparations for war needs the Ayatollah's support.

Meeting on Sunday and then SMK in Tehran.. Good to see the speed of the developments and all sides really want to get Chabahar sorted.

Syria, trade figure in Krishna's talks with Iran counterpart
Ahead of the NAM ministerial meeting, external affairs minister SM Krishna on Monday held bilateral talks with his Iranian counterpart Ali Akbar Salehi during which the two deliberated on the situation in Syria besides focussing on trade and economy.

Krishna, who landed in Tehran
in the afternoon raised a number of issues pertaining to bilateral relations and NAM, official sources privy to what transpired in the meeting said.

Asked for specifics, they said regional international issues were discussed including the situation in Syria.

Besides, the recently held trilateral meeting of India, Afghanistan and Iran, which was undertaken to brainstorm strategies for operating the crucial Chabahar port, was also discussed.

Meanwhile, the sources said Iran, which is backing the Bashar al-Assad regime despite strong opposition from the US, reiterated its stand on the issue.

Krishna, on his part too maintained India's stand opposing an externally-induced regime change in Syria.

India has maintained that it wants a Syrian-led, inclusive process for reform and change in Syria to bring an end to the current conflict.

India believes that the international community's role should be to assist that Syrian-led process and the UN has a particular role to play.

Krishna and Salehi also focussed on bilateral trade and economy during which payment mechanism was also discussed. The sources, however, did not elaborate further.

The two sides also discussed the modalities for setting up an Indian Cultural Centre in Tehran.

Krishna will take part in the NAM ministerial meeting on Tuesday. Krishna is scheduled to deliver an address at the meeting.
The Prime Minister's interactions with Iranian leadership assumes more importance since it was New Delhi that had sought a meeting with Khomenei.

Besides focusing on regional security situation, trade and economic cooperation are likely to be high on the agenda with special focus on oil imports.

Iran is one of the crucial suppliers for oil for energy-starved India. While India recognises only UN imposed sanctions, those levied by US and other countries have become a major stumbling block in making payments to Iran for oil imports.

Singh is also likely to hold meetings with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, who would also be attending the Summit.

He would be the first Egyptian leader to visit Iran since the 1979 revolution.

Another important attendee would be UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, who ignored US requests of giving the Summit a miss.

Controversial Iranian nuclear programme, Syria crisis and regional issues are likely to dominate the summit.
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

Chahbahar port: India, Iran, Afghanistan to set up group
Express news service : New Delhi, Mon Aug 27 2012, 02:53 hrs

Ahead of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Tehran for the NAM summit, India and Iran have agreed to set up a joint working group along with Afghanistan to discuss the development of the strategically important Chahbahar port in Iran. A trilateral meeting between Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai and the Deputy Foreign Ministers of Iran and Afghanistan took place in Tehran on Sunday during which the decision to set up the joint working group was taken.

“The objective of the meeting was to explore ways to expand trade and transit cooperation, including investment, among the three countries starting with the Chahbahar Port. It was agreed that a JWG comprising representatives of the three countries would meet within the next three months at Chahbahar to take the discussions forward. It was agreed that the exact date of the meeting would be decided through diplomatic channels,” a statement from the Ministry of External Affairs said.

The Chahbahar port, which has road connectivity to the Afghan border, provides India an alternate route to Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan. Tehran has moved rather slowly on this project despite India having built the Zaranj-Delaram road from the Afghan side of the Iran-Afghanistan border.

However, at a time when its economic health is suffering on account of international sanctions, the necessity to engage India has prodded Iran to move forward.

On Saturday, before he left for Iran, Mathai gave a clear update on the Chahbahar project and underlined why the port remained so important for India. “We have just received a report analysing various options in the light of what Iran plans for the port. It has a number of different possibilities and we are studying it. The Iranians have plans for developing also the rail lines which will go from

Chahbahar not only towards the Afghan border but further to the Turkmen border through Mashaq. All these raise a number of very interesting possibilities in terms of the reconstruction at the industrial developments in Afghanistan in which we have a very large stake,” he said.

Iran is hosting the NAM summit later this week which will be attended by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. The PM will have bilateral meetings with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Bottom is significant particularly Ayatollah Khamanei - India preparations for war needs the Ayatollah's support.

Meeting on Sunday and then SMK in Tehran.. Good to see the speed of the developments and all sides really want to get Chabahar sorted.

Syria, trade figure in Krishna's talks with Iran counterpart
Ahead of the NAM ministerial meeting, external affairs minister SM Krishna on Monday held bilateral talks with his Iranian counterpart Ali Akbar Salehi during which the two deliberated on the situation in Syria besides focussing on trade and economy.

Krishna, who landed in Tehran
in the afternoon raised a number of issues pertaining to bilateral relations and NAM, official sources privy to what transpired in the meeting said.

Asked for specifics, they said regional international issues were discussed including the situation in Syria.

Besides, the recently held trilateral meeting of India, Afghanistan and Iran, which was undertaken to brainstorm strategies for operating the crucial Chabahar port, was also discussed.

Meanwhile, the sources said Iran, which is backing the Bashar al-Assad regime despite strong opposition from the US, reiterated its stand on the issue.

Krishna, on his part too maintained India's stand opposing an externally-induced regime change in Syria.

India has maintained that it wants a Syrian-led, inclusive process for reform and change in Syria to bring an end to the current conflict.

India believes that the international community's role should be to assist that Syrian-led process and the UN has a particular role to play.

Krishna and Salehi also focussed on bilateral trade and economy during which payment mechanism was also discussed. The sources, however, did not elaborate further.

The two sides also discussed the modalities for setting up an Indian Cultural Centre in Tehran.

Krishna will take part in the NAM ministerial meeting on Tuesday. Krishna is scheduled to deliver an address at the meeting.
The Prime Minister's interactions with Iranian leadership assumes more importance since it was New Delhi that had sought a meeting with Khomenei.

Besides focusing on regional security situation, trade and economic cooperation are likely to be high on the agenda with special focus on oil imports.

Iran is one of the crucial suppliers for oil for energy-starved India. While India recognises only UN imposed sanctions, those levied by US and other countries have become a major stumbling block in making payments to Iran for oil imports.

Singh is also likely to hold meetings with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, who would also be attending the Summit.

He would be the first Egyptian leader to visit Iran since the 1979 revolution.

Another important attendee would be UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, who ignored US requests of giving the Summit a miss.

Controversial Iranian nuclear programme, Syria crisis and regional issues are likely to dominate the summit.
brihaspati
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12410
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 03:25

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by brihaspati »

Ayatollah Khamanei - India preparations for war needs the Ayatollah's support.
India preparing for war?!! with whom and for what?
RamaY
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17249
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 21:11
Location: http://bharata-bhuti.blogspot.com/

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by RamaY »

^ perhaps the internal one.

We give something to the Sunnis and then Shias too need something from jijya paying dhimmis.
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

State department announces support for Chabahar port plan by Iran, India and Afghanistan.
RamaY
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17249
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 21:11
Location: http://bharata-bhuti.blogspot.com/

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by RamaY »

Which state dept? USA/India/KSA?

TIA
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 60273
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ramana »

US
RajeshA
BRF Oldie
Posts: 16006
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 19:30

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by RajeshA »

brihaspati wrote:
Ayatollah Khamanei - India preparations for war needs the Ayatollah's support.
India preparing for war?!! with whom and for what?
Could be War between Israel/USA/GCC and Iran! In that case, India needs Ayatollah's support not to hurt oil shipments from the Gulf to India at the Straits of Hormuz!
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

And of course our long term plan to sort TSP out via Af Pak. Will be interesting because Khamanei meeting with ABV didnt go down too well. He is one of the major deciding factors.
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 60273
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ramana »

Nightwatch on the Taliban beheadings:
Afghanistan: Insurgents beheaded 17 people at a party in a village in Musa Qala District, Helmand Province. The victims included two women. This is an area that supposedly was liberated


Comment: Afghanistan remains one of the worst places on Earth to be a woman. Nevertheless, this atrocity in the name of Sharia, crossed the line for most Muslims, even Pashtuns.

The beheadings risk reminding Pashtuns why they supported US forces in chasing the Taliban leadership and their acolytes out of Kabul and into Quetta, Pakistan, more than a decade ago. The Taliban will rue this act of brutality. Eleven years ago even the Pashtuns thought Americans were better than Taliban and Saudi Arabian thugs. This atrocity might help them remember.
I dont know. As long as TSP is there as safe haven for the Taliban and US keeps mollycoddlig the TSP the Taliban will return time and again to terrorize the Afghans.
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

That's what I said. The fundamentals don't change after 2014 but I am told that they will after 2014. I am still not convinced. But let's see. They definitely won't be able to get cheap military gear and all that any more and western aid will substantially be cut which means the other friends will have to pick up the tab.


I don't think it makes a difference for us though, we still have to do what we have to do there and at least the longer it lasts without the Taliban at least we will have some semblance of peace in J&K
brihaspati
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12410
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 03:25

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by brihaspati »

AF-pak will go out of hand well before 2014.
krisna
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5881
Joined: 22 Dec 2008 06:36

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by krisna »

Controversial plan to split up Afghanistan

Afghanistan could be carved into eight separate "kingdoms" – with some of them potentially ruled by the Taliban – according to a controversial plan under discussion in London and Washington.

Code-named "Plan C", the radical blueprint for the future of Afghanistan sets out reforms that would relegate President Hamid Karzai to a figurehead role.

Devised by the Conservative MP and Foreign Office aide Tobias Ellwood, it warns that the country faces a "bleak" future when it is left to fend for itself. Mr Ellwood claims that a "regionalised" state under a powerful new prime minister would tackle the weak government, tribal disputes and corruption which many fear could plunge Afghanistan into chaos when the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) withdraws at the end of 2014.
Senior government sources confirmed that Plan C – Finding a political solution to Afghanistan had been presented to the Foreign Secretary, William Hague, and discussed with officials at the White House. Mr Ellwood, a former captain in the Royal Green Jackets, has also discussed the plan with Pakistani government officials in London.
The plan divides Afghanistan into eight zones, based around the "economic hubs" of Kabul, Kandahar, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, Kunduz, Jalalabad, Khost and Bamyan. The areas would be administered by a council representing different ethnic groups and overseen by one or more foreign countries. Mr Ellwood also claims that creating a post of prime minister, with many of the "disproportionate" powers currently held by the President, would help allay concerns over the man who has been in charge of the country for almost eight years.
But Thomas Ruttig, co-director of the Afghanistan Analysts Network, said: "Splitting the country into such regions will result in the empowerment of what we have started calling 'local (or regional) power brokers' and what was known as 'warlords' before, whose misrule between 1992 and 1996 caused the rise of the Taliban in the first place."
:rotfl:
TSP should be carved into zones in reality.
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 60273
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ramana »

The PLAN C is a bad idea for it weakens Afghanistan from being cohesive to take any action against external fiends like TSP.
And the oversight of each council by a foreign power (presumably NATO membership required) is like the old Occupying Powers mandate after WWI.


And agree it will empower/enshrine/perpetuate the warlords who were responsible for the chaos that the TSP took advantage off.
ShauryaT
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5405
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 06:06

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ShauryaT »

The only plan these turds in the UK should be working on is to unite the Pashtun parts of TSP with Afghanistan. A dominant majority in Afghanistan will ensure stability. Stability should be the name of the game. This is the only way.
brihaspati
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12410
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 03:25

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by brihaspati »

The warlords are no longer as strong as before. The Talebs have been steadily weakening them in the south and south-west - exactly along the Iran-Baloch frontier. On the other hand the NE of the country is being steadily taken over by the Talebs. TSP is going.
Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21537
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by Philip »

Was Prince ("Flasher") Harry the target of the Afghan Talib attack on camp Bastion?

Prince Harry targeted in fatal Taliban attack on 'impregnable' military base
Prince Harry was the target of a dramatic attack by the Taliban on Britain’s “impregnable” headquarters in Afghanistan, the terror group has claimed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -base.html
Prince Harry targeted in fatal Taliban attack on 'impregnable' military base
Image 1 of 2
The attack comes just days after the Taliban announced it was launching 'Harry Operations’ aimed at killing or wounding the prince Photo: John Stillwell/REUTERS
Sean Rayment

By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent

15 Sep 2012

Nineteen Taliban attackers armed rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and automatic weapons breached the perimeter of Camp Bastion in a well-planned raid which shocked senior officers.

Two American Marines were killed and five aircraft damaged or destroyed five aircraft before Western soldiers led by British troops killed 18 of the attackers and took one prisoner.

The Taliban rushed to claim a propaganda victory, saying that Prince Harry, who is an Apache helicopter pilot based at Bastion, was the intended victim of the attack.

They also said they had been inspired to attack the camp, home to 28,000 personnel, by an American-made film which insults the prophet Mohammed, and which has prompted attacks on Westerm

Qari Youssef Ahmadi, the Taliban’s spokesman, said: “We attacked that base because Prince Harry was also on it and so they can know our anger. Thousands more suicide attackers are ready to give up their lives for the sake of the Prophet.”
Related Articles

Camp Bastion seemed like the safest place on earth
15 Sep 2012

The attack comes just days after the Taliban announced it was launching 'Harry Operations’ aimed at killing or wounding the prince.

But the statement was dismissed by the Ministry of Defence who said it was “entirely predictable” that the Taliban would claim that the Prince was the primary target even though he was no where near the point of attack.

A senior Army officer told The Sunday Telegraph: “This was a determined attack which achieve its aim of getting global press coverage. They are masters of propaganda. But they are deluded if they really think they can storm Camp Bastion and kill or seriously injured Prince Harry. The attack was never going to succeed but in reality that was never really its aim.”

A major security review is now under way into how such an assault could be launched on a base which is surrounded by state of the art fortifications and defences.

The attack began under cover of darkness at around 10.00pm (local time) on Friday night when 19 heavily Taliban gunmen forced their way through the outer perimeter wire. One report said they had approached on Toyota pick-up trucks.

Some reports suggest that a five foot wide hole was cut through a fence when a Taliban gunman detonated an explosive suicide vest in the eastern edge of the base, close to the main runway.

The remaining fighters poured into the base firing mortars and RPGs, as well as Kalashnikov AK-47 automatic weapons.

They managed to damage or destroy up to five aircraft - none of them British - including at least one United States Marine Corps Harrier jump jet during the ensuing battle. A fuel storage tank and a helicopter maintenance tent was also damaged in the attack.

Smoke was still rising from it yesterday morning, according to footage released by the Taliban which they claimed was of the Helmand perimeter.

It is not clear at this stage whether the gunmen managed to break into the main base or were just confined to the outer perimeter.

British troops from 5 RAF Force Protection Wing (51 Squadron RAF), the RAF Regiment, were first on the scene and helped repel the insurgents in a gun battle lasting more than five hours.

Several British airmen were wounded in the firefight but none of the injuries were classed as serious.

Senior defence sources have told The Sunday Telegraph that the Taliban launched the attack after posing as farmers in a near by maize plantation.

It is understood that the National Directorate of Security, the Afghan equivalent of MI5, believe the Taliban monitored activity on the eastern side of the camp for at least two weeks before launching the suicide mission.

Sources added that a number of fighters detonated their suicide vests as British troops approached them, injuring some of the RAF Regiment troops in the process. It is understood that 18 of the 19 insurgents were killed and one was taken prisoner.

The attack is now the subject of a major investigation in which senior officers will want to know how the Taliban launched such an audacious attack against what is supposed to be one of the world’s most secure military bases.

There was deep concern yesterday over the fact the attack had even been launched.

Camp Bastion, which is currently estimated to occupy an area similar to the town of Reading, is ringed by 30ft wire fences topped with triple concertina barbed wire.

Large areas of the base are also protected by a 24 mile long, 30 ft high concrete blast wall interspersed with watch towers equipped with floodlights and manned by heavily armed, specially trained troops.

The camp is located in the central Helmand desert and is completely isolated, with the exception of a few small farms close to the eastern perimeter.

All approaches to the base are carefully monitored and the British protection force is equipped with a variety of surveillance devices and radar which should be able to identify any movement on the ground or in the air out to a range of 20 miles.

Given the high levels of security, senior commanders will now try to establish how the Taliban managed to identify and exploit a seemingly unknown vulnerable point in the camp’s defence. One theory being explored last night is that the Taliban may have been given inside information by either a member of the Afghan National Army or a one of the several thousand “locally employed civilians” who work on the base.

An MoD spokesman said: “The threat to all our service personnel is continually assessed and all measures taken to mitigate it. The deployment of Captain Wales has been long planned and the threat to him and others around him thoroughly assessed. Any risk posed by his deployment, based on the capability, opportunity and intent of the insurgency, is continually reviewed. Last night’s attack was dealt with swiftly by International Security and Assistance Force (Isaf) personnel, including UK forces, and a number of insurgents were killed.

“A clearance operation has been conducted and work to assess and investigate the incident continues.”

Captain Wales, as he is known to his colleagues, is part of the 100-strong 662 Squadron, 3 Regiment Army Air Corps. He will serve as a co-pilot gunner with the Apache unit for the duration of his four-month tour.

The Prince celebrated his 28th birthday yesterday in the hours after the attack with a message from the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge who had arranged for him to receive their congratulations before they left for their tour of Asia.

Prince Harry first served in Afghanistan in 2008 as an on-ground air controller, but he was forced to cut the tour short when the news blackout, which was protecting his position on the front line, was breached.

It is understood that it will be business as usual for Harry as he comes to the end of his in-theatre training and is expected to begin taking part in operational sorties by the end of the week.

The Apache is one of the most lethal pieces of military hardware in Afghanistan. It has taken part in thousands of operation in the past six years and is often the weapon of choice for troops pinned down by Taliban fire. The helicopter carries a variety of weapons including rockets, anti-tank hell fire missiles and a 30 mm multi-barrelled chain gun. The helicopter, which affords both pilot and gunner a huge amount of protection, has also taken part in rescue operations.

Attacks have taken place inside and close to Camp Bastion in the past - although none on this scale, and none involving a direct frontal attack. A British soldier was killed in 2009 by an IED planted on a range close to the base and in April an Afghan civilian employed on the camp drove a vehicle at a plane carrying Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary.
Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21537
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by Philip »

Massive damage in the Camp Bastion attack which elements of the media are keeping quiet about.6 Harriers destroyed,2 more damaged,plus huge damage to hangars and infrastructure.The Talib attackers were dressed in US uniforms! latest news,tragically two more UK deaths due to "green on blue" backstabbers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/1 ... fghanistan

Two British soldiers killed in Afghanistan

Soldiers from 3rd Battalion Yorkshire Regiment killed at Helmand province checkpoint by man wearing Afghan police uniform
Two British soldiers were shot dead in Afghanistan on Saturday by a man wearing the local Afghan police uniform, the Ministry of Defence has said.

The soldiers, from 3rd Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment, were killed at a checkpoint in the south of Nahr-e Saraj district in Helmand province.

The deaths follow that of a soldier from 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards who died on Friday after his vehicle hit a roadside bomb.

The soldiers' next of kin had been informed.

A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: "It is with sadness that the Ministry of Defence must announce the death of two soldiers from 3rd Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment.

"The soldiers were shot and killed by a man wearing the uniform of the Afghan local police at a checkpoint in the south of Nahr-e Saraj district, Helmand province."

Major Laurence Roche of Task Force Helmand said: "It is with deep sadness that I must report the death of two soldiers."

"The Yorkshire Regiment has suffered a deep loss today and everyone serving within Task Force Helmand will want to send our condolences to the soldiers' families and loved ones at this time."

The soldier who died on Friday was killed when his vehicle hit an improvised explosive device.

The MoD said the deaths were unrelated to the attack at Camp Bastion in which two US Marines were killed.

Saturday's deaths bring the number of members of UK forces to have died since operations in Afghanistan began in October 2001 to 430.
darshhan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2937
Joined: 12 Dec 2008 11:52

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by darshhan »

^^ This is big.
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

Bilateral defence cooperation between Afghanistan n India http://t.co/IUvXfMkL Officers frm Strategic Command n Staff College Kabul visiting
Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66589
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by Singha »

6 AV8B jets destroyed, 2 more damaged beyond repair.
total cost of raid estimated at $200 million
nakul
BRFite
Posts: 1251
Joined: 31 Aug 2011 10:39

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by nakul »

BRF is misreading the situation. It is the US that is winning.

Leon Panetta calls Afghan attacks the Taliban's last gasp

Leon Panetta said he views rogue Afghan troops and police turning their guns on allied forces attacks as the "last gasp" of a Taliban insurgency that has not been able to regain lost ground.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -gasp.html

:rotfl:
sum
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10205
Joined: 08 May 2007 17:04
Location: (IT-vity && DRDO) nagar

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by sum »

Singha wrote:6 AV8B jets destroyed, 2 more damaged beyond repair.
total cost of raid estimated at $200 million
Afg Tali-bunnies >> TSP tali-bunnies.

Time for TTP to have onsite visits to sync up with Afg mujahids and take lessons on scoring 6-ers in every raid instead of fizzles like in Kamra or Mehran
Aditya_V
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14778
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 16:25

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by Aditya_V »

I hope the IAF bases are properly guarded, looks Like Mehran, Kamra etc were part of rehershing techniques for real operations. Afterall Pakis knew anything damaged in Mehran would be replaced free of cost with a newer Aircraft paid for by the American Taxpayer.
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

‘North Waziristan operation to stay under wraps’
By Kamran Yousaf
Published: September 17, 2012

Pakistan has quietly told US to avoid public statements on planned operation against Haqqanis.

Pakistan has quietly conveyed to the United States to not make any public statement on its planned operation against militants in the restive North Waziristan Agency bordering Afghanistan.

The advice stems from the fact that any remarks by American officials may complicate the Pakistani authorities’ plan to create the ‘necessary environment’ for the Waziristan offensive, a senior government official said.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, the official told The Express Tribune that the military does not want to be seen as aligned with the US on the issue of launching a fresh operation in the rugged tribal belt because of growing anti-American sentiments in the country.

The US has long been calling on Pakistan to go after the deadliest Afghan insurgents, the Haqqani network, which is believed to be based in North Waziristan.

Islamabad voiced concerns when US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta disclosed last month that the Pakistani military was planning to start an operation against militants in North Waziristan.

He said Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani had confirmed to Isaf Commander in Afghanistan General John Allen during a meeting that the military would soon launch an operation.

“It was inappropriate for Panetta to make that statement. There was no need for that … it really complicated the situation,” a military official commented.


Reports of the planned offensive immediately invited strong criticism not only from rightwing groups but also the country’s main opposition party, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz.

These parties accused the government of launching the new offensive at the behest of the US. In response to the backlash, Kayani informed top US military commander General James Mattis in August that Pakistan would not conduct the operation because of outside pressure.

The official said the military was planning for a new push against the banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) but did not want to give any impression that it was being done under US pressure.

Pakistan’s national interest continues to be the prime consideration for any decision regarding the military offensive in North Waziristan, the official insisted when asked about the timing of opening a new front in the battle against militancy.

Following Pakistan’s request, the US now appears careful in making any public comment on the Waziristan offensive. It was also evident from the statement issued by the US embassy following a recently concluded visit by President Obama’s point man for the region Marc Grossman, who did not make any public remarks on the issue.
Grossman may broach safe passage for Afghan Taliban
By Kamran Yousaf
Published: September 14, 2012

US special envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Marc Grossman.

ISLAMABAD: US special envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Marc Grossman is due to arrive in the capital city today (Friday) on a day-long trip amid gradual improvement in the otherwise troubled ties between Washington and Islamabad.

Grossman will be the first high-ranking civilian American official to visit Pakistan since the reopening of vital land routes for foreign forces stationed in Afghanistan, in early July.

President Barack Obama’s point-man for the region will meet Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar and the senior civil and military leadership to discuss the Pak-US cooperation, a Foreign Office official said on condition of anonymity.

He added that the discussions were expected to focus on reviving the strategic dialogue and the Afghan reconciliation process.

Grossman, the official said, has now been primarily focusing on efforts to bring the Taliban on the negotiating table.

The top American diplomat is likely to discuss the outcome of the recently-held meeting of a Pakistan, US, Afghan working group that is discussing modalities to provide safe passage to Afghan Taliban, who are willing to enter the peace process.

Pakistan, which is considered crucial for any peace deal, is believed to have offered to facilitate the safe passage but insisted that the intra-Afghan dialogue is a prerequisite for the success of any initiative.

The Foreign Office official said Grossman would also bring up a recent decision by the US to declare the Haqqani network a terrorist organisation.


Islamabad is thought to have offered no opposition to the move as it argues that the Haqqani network is an Afghan group. The US envoy’s trip comes just days before a crucial meeting between Foreign Minister Khar and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton next week in Washington.
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 60273
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ramana »

Wanna bet the Haqqanis will melt away and the good Taliban will be arrested by TSP while using the safe passage?
ShauryaT
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5405
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 06:06

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ShauryaT »

So Much for the Good War - It's time to admit that Obama's Afghanistan strategy is a total failure.
The troubles in Afghanistan and Pakistan did not begin with Obama, and America's failings there during his presidency are by no means his responsibility alone. Afghanistan's elites are myopic plunderers whose war wealth is spent on Italian shoes and Dubai mansions. And the Pakistani military's deadly tryst with jihadists began when Obama was a college student. Rawalpindi remains wedded to using jihadists, even as they point a gun at their own heads, though the Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, recognizes the existential threat they pose and could be looking for a way out. In August, in his Independence Day address, Kayani condemned rising religious extremism and warned that jihadi militants could push Pakistan toward civil war.

Therein lies the common ground. Pakistan needs a political settlement in Afghanistan to avert a civil war that will bleed into its territory and reignite ethnic tensions and jihadism. And that settlement can only be forged while U.S. forces are in Afghanistan. America, too, has little interest in seeing chaos spread in nuclear-armed Pakistan and the re-emergence of jihadi havens in Afghanistan.

The Obama administration, which once thought it could strong-arm Pakistan, must work with it and partners in Kabul to avert a civil war in Afghanistan. The Pakistani foreign minister is in Washington now. President Asif Ali Zardari will be at the U.N. General Assembly meeting later this month. And Kayani could visit in October. There's an opportunity for the Obama administration to revive a trilateral peace initiative, but the clock is running out. It is time for Washington and Islamabad to work with Kabul for a lasting solution to the Afghanistan problem, as equals.
brihaspati
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12410
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 03:25

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by brihaspati »

The Talebs are coming to power. But not exactly everything will go in favour of Pak. The combined AFPak Taleb+other militants are already building understandings of their own for the NE of AFPak.
anmol
BRFite
Posts: 1922
Joined: 05 May 2009 17:39

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by anmol »

Afghanistan: When the Moon Sets, Watch Out

Last Friday night, the moon phase left Afghanistan in near total darkness. Even with clear skies, the enemy knew that at the brightest moment, the moon would only appear as an irrelevant orange sliver. Such times are called “red illumination,” or “red illum.” Planning calendars in Afghanistan highlight periods of red illum because they hamper aviation.

Even though this is the year 2012, and the Curiosity Rover is beaming images from Mars more than four decades after astronauts first trod on the lunar surface, the moon phase remains important when planning operations. The moment that the nighttime attack on Camp Bastion was reported, the moon phase could have been safely guessed without looking up.

In every respect, Southern Afghanistan is a dark part of the world. Without moonlight, most villages are black at night. The brightest places in the country are our bases. Cultural lights present little danger to Taliban moving at night. Our air assets, including our aerostat balloons, are often their biggest concern.

This war is mature. The enemy knows us, and we know them. After 11 years, the Taliban realizes that most helicopter traffic ceases during red illum. Most birds will only fly for urgent MEDEVAC, or for special operations. The enemy closely observes our air traffic. Operations slow under red illum, so air traffic declines, and the chances of being spotted by roving aircraft are reduced.

There is a misconception that UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) such as Predators can detect everything. They cannot. Their field of vision is like looking through a toilet paper roll. The UAVs are great for specific targets, such as watching a house, but imagine patrolling. It is like trying to visually swat mosquitoes using no ears, no sense of touch, and only the ability to look through a toilet paper roll. You will get some, and miss many.

We only have enough UAVs to cover small splotches of the country, and there are bases, roads, operations, and targets spread throughout Afghanistan and elsewhere that need watching. The enemy can spoof observers by using a “pattern of life” (POL) for camouflage. So even if our UAV operators see apparently unarmed natives moving, it is no guarantee of early detection.

Our UAVs over Afghanistan fly with their strobes flashing to avoid collisions. If a Predator or Reaper crashes into a commercial airliner because it was flying blacked out while staring at the ground, that is a problem. The enemy can see our UAVs from miles away.

A key realization: the enemy uses cheap night vision gear in the form of cameras that have night functions. When our IR lasers, our IR strobes, our IR illumination or our IR spotlights are radiating, they can easily be seen using cheap digital cameras. I recently told this to some Norwegian soldiers, who were as surprised as our soldiers to learn it. I learned this from the enemy, not from our guys. The Taliban even use smart phone cameras to watch for invisible lasers. The enemy in Afghanistan has been caught using cameras for night vision. It is just a stroke of common sense: I have been doing it for eight years since I noticed an IR laser one night in Iraq.

A Norwegian trooper explained that one dark night in Afghanistan, they got ambushed with accurate but distant machinegun fire. When they turned off their IR strobes, the fire ended. When they turned the IR strobes back on, the fires resumed. When they turned them off for good, it was over.

Many of our people believe that the enemy does not use night vision. There was a time when this was true, but the war has matured and this is now false. If your firefly is strobing on your helmet, or if you are carrying a cracked IR chemlight, do not be surprised if you take accurate fire during a black night. When JTACs mark targets with IR lasers, or when aircraft such as Predators lase for Hellfire shots or for target ID, they look like purple or green sunbeams through night vision optics and they are crazy bright. You cannot miss them.

To maximize chances of success for an assault such as that at Bastion last Friday, the Taliban know that it is best to start early, on a moonless night, just after red illum has begun. Other Afghans engaged in normal masking movements can provide POL camouflage. The enemy knows that only “Terry Taliban” is skulking around after midnight, so they start early when possible.

By 7PM last Friday, the night was very dark, and by 8PM, it was thick and black, making it a perfect time to close in on the target. Camp Bastion would appear lit up like Las Vegas, standing alone, glowing like a giant bubble of light in the “Desert of Death.” On the darkest nights, the lights of Bastion sometimes reflect orange off the clouds above, and they can be seen for miles around, causing Afghans to ask why the base glows like the morning sun, yet they do not have a drop of electricity. The days of goodwill and hope are over.

During periods of utter darkness, many of our light-intensifying systems are useless. There is not enough light for them to work with, which is why many aircraft do not fly during red illum. This also affects ground troops whose systems likewise do not have enough light to intensify, and it reduces their air cover, and thus all air and ground operations.

Last Friday was dark without infrared spotlights, or IR illumination fired from cannons and mortars. It is not always a good idea to fire those around major airbases. And besides, the spotlights and illum rounds have limitations and cannot see around contours. Thermal imagers work during complete darkness but they cannot see into hidden gullies. Ground surveillance radar (GSR) and other sensors are of limited use, especially when the enemy uses masking POL. All of these systems work together, and they can be helpful, but they can be foiled through experience and subterfuge, especially when our forces are complacent in the armored cocoons of the mega-bases.

Camp Bastion is set far back in the desert as a security precaution. Approaches can be seen for miles. Consulting Google Earth and other imagery might lead you to believe that there is no approach that cannot be observed. This is true when the air assets are up, and it is true up close whether the aerial surveillance platforms are up or not. But the desert is not flat like a billiard table. We all know what water and wind can do to terrain. The surface is closer to a waffle than to a pancake.

I scouted around Camp Bastion more than six years ago, before the camp was up and running, and since that time I have flown low-level there on many occasions. Many ripples and folds provide cover from direct observation from the base perimeter. The micro-terrain might not be obvious from Google Earth or from maps, but there are dead-space approaches that locals can use. Afghans have long been expert at traveling unseen in what appears to be wide-open territory. This is one of their strengths, and it has been described in accounts of war after war. Just as navies can hide in the open seas, Afghans can hide in treeless deserts, unless aircraft or roving patrols detect them.

The Taliban’s major vulnerability is our mastery of the air, but if they can negate it, we are approaching tactical equality because they have home turf advantage, and they have lived there since antiquity. Local Afghans have had six-years since Bastion was built to map ingress and egress routes, and to probe ISAF defenses and reactions.

This morning, four days after the attack, ISAF HQ in Kabul announced that they had arrested one of the Taliban leaders behind Friday’s attack. According to ISAF, they nabbed him in Nad ‘Ali district. This district is a green zone about sixteen miles from Camp Bastion. Some of the closest built-up areas contiguous to Nad ‘Ali are just a handful of miles away from Camp Bastion. If the enemy were coming to shoot rockets or mortars at Bastion with the intention of escaping, the hazard would be high, depending on ISAF rules of engagement. But attackers who are prepared for a one-way trip have demonstrated that they can achieve success.

Last Friday, a few hours after sunset, the Taliban struck at about 10PM. They killed two US Marines, one of them a commanding officer, and they wiped out roughly 8 percent of our Harrier jet force. Harriers are no longer manufactured, so these aircraft cannot be replaced. Scratch one squadron, and now the military must reallocate aircraft to cover the deficit.

The enemy fooled all of our high-tech gadgetry with training, observation, intelligence, terrain, planning, rehearsal, and audacity, using basic military tactics that were perfected long before anyone reading this was born. Persistence and luck was also a key factor: the Taliban have attempted similar attacks at different bases in the past with poor results. The Taliban only have to be lucky once. We have to be lucky all of the time.

The Taliban destroyed six jets, damaged two more possibly beyond repair, leaving Marine VMA-211 squadron with only two aircraft, and they killed the squadron commander.

All of this by Taliban who likely never served in any military. If they did serve, they joined up, they got some good training, and then they put it to use.
Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66589
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by Singha »

6 Americans Killed In One Day By Afghan Partners

August 11th, 2012 12:34 pm
Associated Press

my prediction is the Af police will be subverted and melt away once the US leaves. civil war is very likely.

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan working on an installation shared by Afghan and foreign forces shot to death three U.S. service members, raising to six the number of Americans killed by their Afghan partners in a single day, officials said Saturday.

The newly announced killings took place Friday, the same day that an Afghan policeman gunned down three U.S. Marines in a separate attack in southern Afghanistan.

Such assaults are on the rise and have heightened mistrust between foreign forces and the Afghan soldiers, police and others they are training and mentoring.

Four of the attacks occurred in the past week, raising questions about the safety of international trainers more than 10 years into the war. The U.S.-led coalition insists the attacks do not represent the overall security situation in Afghanistan and that they have not impeded ongoing work to hand over security to Afghan forces by the end of 2014.

Most of the attacks have been carried out by Afghan police and soldiers or militants wearing their uniforms. There have been 26 such attacks so far this year, resulting in 34 deaths, according to the U.S.-led coalition.
RoyG
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5619
Joined: 10 Aug 2009 05:10

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by RoyG »

brihaspati wrote:The Talebs are coming to power. But not exactly everything will go in favour of Pak. The combined AFPak Taleb+other militants are already building understandings of their own for the NE of AFPak.
You're right. The impure in the army establishment will be liquidated slowly. Once afghanistan falls, pakistan will be next. TN, Kashmir, Assam, Kerala, UP will be on fire.
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 60273
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ramana »

The asli(real) jihadi terrorists are TSPA. They are UK's felons.
when the FSU moved into Afghanistan the US sponsored the TSPA to carry the jihadi terrorism into Afghanistan. The AlQ was a non TSPA cadre based jihadi terrorist organization. OBL was the poster boy to attract the dregs to AlQ. I really think he was only a poster boy and not any terror genius. Keeping him alive after the US moved into Afghanistan after 9/11 was needed to keep the idea of international jihadi terror alive.

The TSPA created their own Afghan AlQ called Taliban with Mullah Omar as the poster boy. Again he is based on OBL's image.

And to make virtuality real, they even came up with marital realtions between the to poster boys!!!

Again after the chips are down and time for pack-up the original felons will be the ones in control and last people standing.

AlQ, Taliban are all puppets on chain pulled by TSPA.
ShauryaT
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5405
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 06:06

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ShauryaT »

svinayak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14222
Joined: 09 Feb 1999 12:31

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by svinayak »

Mans voice in a feminine body

She should be told that India has lost 1M lives due to partition of India and 50000 lives due to active Pakistan sponsered terrorists
ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 60273
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by ramana »

In my Nov 2009 analysis on options in Af-pak i had said if US loses the surge malaise will kick in. Looks like Nightwatch is spotting early sings of malaise setting in.

Nightwatch 25 Sep 2012
Afghanistan: Reports from Afghanistan indicate US forces have adopted a bunker mentality and are essentially hostages in Kabul and a few other key towns.

The Afghan Taliban on Tuesday dismissed NATO figures that show a decrease in insurgent attacks, saying the statistics reflect troop withdrawals and a 'cowardly' avoidance of contact. NATO's latest official figures show attacks on its forces dropped by five percent in the first eight months of this year, but are still running at about 100 a day.

Comment: Hanging a violence trend on a statistically calculated five percent drop in attacks is risible. Defects in the reporting channels make the margin of error more than five percent, even when the reporting system is working well.

The key data point is 100 attacks per day, admitted by the NATO command. That is a bench mark for measuring an increase in Taliban activity following the departure of US surge forces and the consolidation of residual forces next year.


One hundred attacks per day is a high number of attacks for a tribal- and clan-based society to sustain. Three hundred per day was normal at the height of the Iraq insurgency in 2005 and 2006.

NightWatch suspects it represents a new high in the sustained level of daily attacks, but promises to research this hypothesis in greater depth.
RoyG
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5619
Joined: 10 Aug 2009 05:10

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by RoyG »

Yep Taliban and PA won. Pakistan is now undergoing a purification. They will be at our doorstep in no time.
Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21234
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by Prem »

The partition of Afghanistan for peace — Musa Khan Jalalzai
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_6
The recent debates about the partition of Afghanistan for peace in London and Washington have received plenty of reactions from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Afghans understand that the old state machine of their country is no more working as it cannot accommodate all ethnic colours within its torn and bruised body. Technocrats believe that all parts of the machine have become outdated as it has not been able to address the issue of ethnicity, sectarianism and national reconstruction since 1992. Conversely, there are different opinions in Pakistan. Some believe that Pakistan needs a strong and united Afghanistan, while some agree on the issue of partition for peace. The 30-year long civil war all but consumed the state and society and now Afghanistan is considered to be a failed, militarised, corrupt and a less than functioning state.

The issue of the adjustment of various ethnic colours in the tribal structure of the country has never been discussed on government level. Durranis ruled the country for centuries but brought no change in the lives of poor Afghans; therefore the only solution to the century old conflict is a partition for peace. War criminals in Northern Afghanistan and some elements in the Karzai administration demand a decentralised system of power but suggest partition on ethnic lines will bring peace to the whole region. In May 2012, the US signed a strategic agreement with Afghanistan and proposed the removal of the Durand Line between Pakistan and Afghanistan. US General David Petraeus proposed that the international boundary between Pakistan and Afghanistan is to be eliminated. The Durand Line divides Pashtuns between Pakistan and Afghanistan. When Pakistan became independent in 1947, it declared the Durand Line its international border. Afghan rulers tried to settle the issue by offering Pakistan some sort of a secret recognition of the border as an internationally recognised border. President Daud in a Shalimar Bagh ceremony gave Ziaul Haq the same offer. Experts understand that in the case of an ethnic division, Northern Afghanistan would be a safe and a modern independent country and in the South Pashtuns would be allowed to join Pakistan.The former Indian diplomat and writer, M K Bhadrakumar in his recent article has doubted the security transition process in Afghanistan, saying things have come to a pass that the NATO can no longer trust the Afghan army. A British filmmaker in his recent revelation warned, “I think that various warlords will once again have their fiefdoms and that this will be exacerbated by the reduction in foreign aid. I think Afghanistan will disappear from our newspapers...”
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

Ahmad Shah Masud, who was killed by Taliban 2 days before 9/11, a celebrated hero still. His posters r all over Kabul http://t.co/IfvPIRLH
shyamd
BRF Oldie
Posts: 7100
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 18:43

Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch

Post by shyamd »

BND Report on Afghanistan Leaked to Der Spiegel - heavily critical of Karzai and current German govt.

Reality Contradicts Plans for Afghan Withdrawal
German soldiers on patrol near Mazar-e-Sharif this April. A new reports raises doubts about whether troops will be able to leave the country on time. Zoom
dapd

German soldiers on patrol near Mazar-e-Sharif this April. A new reports raises doubts about whether troops will be able to leave the country on time.

Berlin maintains that Afghanistan is on the right track for German troops to withdraw by the end of 2014 as planned. But a classified report by the German foreign intelligence agency paints a different picture.
Info

Afghan President Hamid Karzai likes to tell the West what it wants to hear. "We will fight corruption with great determination," he says. Or: "We will relentlessly strive for good governance."

Such messages are well received in the West, because they correspond with the rosy picture that Western officials like to relay to the public themselves. German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, for example, has become somewhat of a master at this game. "We are on course to realize the withdrawal of international and German combat troops by the end of 2014," he recently said, while also pointing out how important it is to integrate former Taliban fighters into Afghan society.

It is clear to everyone involved, however, that none of this is true. Karzai's government is corrupt to the core and only interested in maintaining power. More Western soldiers will also likely be needed in the country after 2014 to provide stability. Furthermore, there are hardly any indications that erstwhile Taliban fighters will contribute to peace efforts.

All of this becomes even clearer in an in-depth analysis by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency. The 21-page report, entitled "Afghanistan until 2014 - A Prognosis," has been designated "classified/confidential" as a precautionary measure, given that its carefully compiled facts don't match up with statements made to the public.

In September, copies of the dossier went to the Chancellor as well as the defense, foreign, interior and development ministries. There, the report landed on the desks of select department heads, senior generals and the ministers themselves. "After taking a look," grumbled one of the readers, "many wished that they'd never gotten hold of this document in the first place."

The dossier avoids discussing any catastrophe scenarios. Instead, it matter-of-factly lists several areas in which reality has failed to meet the West's wishes.

Clinging to Fiction

Afghan President Karzai looks particularly bad in the BND analysis. "Susceptibility to corruption, influence peddling by individuals and nepotism will continue," it says. Likewise, it claims that all of Karzai's activities have been focused on "holding on to power" and "maintaining the status quo," rather than toward reforms and the promised battle against rampant corruption. Karzai would prefer to make concessions to insurgents, it concludes, than to push ahead with reforms.

Karzai's assurances to the West "remain declarations of intent," the document says. It also claims that Karzai wants to establish his older brother Adbul Qayum as a candidate for the presidential election scheduled for 2014, adding that he probably has the best chances of securing the decisive Pashtun vote in the country's south. With this move, the BND figures, Karzai wants to safeguard "the protection of family interests and retain power."

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government is aware of all of this. Development Minister Dirk Niebel was forced to postpone a conference planned for mid-September on raw materials at the last minute. The meeting was meant to discuss a long-promised law on protecting foreign investors that had yet to be passed, but now it will have to wait even longer.

Nevertheless, the government is tenaciously clinging to the fiction that things could still improve with Karzai. If the Western allies were to abandon the man they have relied on there for years, it would be the final admission that they had failed in Afghanistan.

Chancellor Merkel and her ministers will have been even less pleased about what they read in the chapter about the security situation in Afghanistan. The most recent Defense Ministry report on this subject was submitted last week to the Defense Committee of the Bundestag, Germany's parliament. Although it says that the massive efforts of the United States have contributed to "breaking the momentum of the Taliban," the truth isn't quite so pretty. The BND report predicts that the number of attacks that members of the Afghan security forces carry out against Western soldiers will continue to increase. It also predicts that the program for reintegrating former Taliban fighters who have renounced violence will have "no effects" on the peace process.

The BND also believes the Afghan government's efforts to hold talks with insurgents have no chance at success. It says that the latter only want to negotiate with the US and not with Kabul, and that "no greater progress" is to be expected by 2014, the year of planned withdrawal, from the confidential discussions in Qatar between the United States and the Taliban. In the BND's view, the Americans' hands are tied by the presidential election, and the Taliban is merely marking time before the targeted withdrawal date of foreign soldiers.

Unrealistic Expectations

The report's predictions for how things will be after 2014 are also politically problematic for the German government. Foreign Minister Westerwelle, in particular, has been adamant in his public statements about saying that no more foreign combat troops will be stationed in Afghanistan after 2014.

But the Foreign Ministry's expectations are unrealistic. Up to 35,000 foreign soldiers -- mostly trainers for the Afghan army, combat troops required to protect the trainers and as many elite soldiers as possible to hunt down terrorists -- will be needed to stabilize the country, according to the BND analysis. It also says that when the current mission of NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) ends, even though the United States will provide the majority of the fresh troops, the other NATO member states will still be expected to contribute roughly 10,000.

The report names no concrete figures for the Bundeswehr, but if Berlin plans to remain the third-largest contributor of troops to the Afghanistan mission, Germany will have to leave some 1,500 soldiers in the Hindu Kush region. Doing so would mean withdrawing only about two-thirds of the 4,500 German soldiers currently serving there.

Chancellor Merkel and her foreign and defense ministers want to avoid a debate on Germany's post-2014 contribution to the Afghanistan mission at all costs. The ministries say that a decision on the share of German soldiers in Afghanistan after 2014 will be made at the appropriate time.

Merkel's center-right coalition government fears that Afghanistan could become a campaign issue. It's a justified worry, because members of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), the main opposition party, are already bringing it up. "Having German combat soldiers stationed in Afghanistan after 2014 is out of the question," says Hans-Peter Bartels, a defense policy expert and parliamentarian for the SPD.

But that is exactly what could happen, judging from comments made on Sept. 25, when the German automotive and defense company Rheinmetall hosted a so-called "parliamentary evening" in Berlin. Volker Wieker, the inspector general of Germany's military, the Bundeswehr, betrayed in a side remark what the German government really thinks about the situation in Afghanistan. After 2014, Wieker said, there will presumably be a mandate "according to Chapter VII of the UN Charter."

This chapter expressly addresses the use of force.
Post Reply