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Exactly! The age old Hindi movie refrain of "Why doesn't someone do something?" is totally unbecoming of a country which sees itself as a future super power. Why should the US solve India's woes? India need to solve India's woes. US is in it for its own self interests, all the nautanki about world piss and free world BS notwithstanding.RamaY wrote: As long as Indians expect someone else to cleanup their excretion, they will remain disappointed and live amidst the sh1t.
Good catch.CRamS wrote:I look at this development from a US domestic PoV. I wonder why the media is dead silent on this.
I think you give massa too much credit there. Paki will be a tool in their hands only if they had actual control over what Paki does. But that's not the case. Think of the situation like a leaky Pakistan/commode full of shit. The commode bowl has lots of cracks all around it through which shit is leaking over heads of various people - massa, India, Oirope etc. Now all that massa is doing is giving Paki a bribe to keep applying M-seal compound to the cracks which are over its head. So the shit leaking from the cracks over massa's head reduces to a dribble (made in China M-seal is not that good) but ofcourse the shit leaking over India's head still continues full flow. Sometimes massa may supply Col. Isab Gul to Paki and hope that there is a shit storm but that is more of a spray and pray tactic rather than a controlled (s)tool.RamaY wrote: Now people may argue that "see the sooopa pawah is also dhimmi when it comes to Pakistan", the difference lies in the fact that whether Pakistan is a tool in their hands to hurt Indian Interests. That is where USA's handling of Pakistan differs from that of Moorkh MMS.
RamaY wrote:How can any Indian expect USA to tie their aid to Pakistan to later's actions against terrorism, when GoI itself separated acts of Pakistani terrorism on indian soil from its relationship with Pakistan?
As long as Indians expect someone else to cleanup their excretion, they will remain disappointed and live amidst the sh1t.
RB janab,Raja Bose wrote: I think you give massa too much credit there. Paki will be a tool in their hands only if they had actual control over what Paki does. But that's not the case. Think of the situation like a leaky Pakistan/commode full of shit. The commode bowl has lots of cracks all around it through which shit is leaking over heads of various people - massa, India, Oirope etc. Now all that massa is doing is giving Paki a bribe to keep applying M-seal compound to the cracks which are over its head. So the shit leaking from the cracks over massa's head reduces to a dribble (made in China M-seal is not that good) but ofcourse the shit leaking over India's head still continues full flow. Sometimes massa may supply Col. Isab Gul to Paki and hope that there is a shit storm but that is more of a spray and pray tactic rather than a controlled (s)tool.
That way they hope the TSP attacks will cease.Manny wrote: ...What these fellas want, is the US should make enemies of Pakistan..while the lefti congressi should be the friendliest people for the Pakistanis.
Kya? This idiot who runs the Fed which is responsible for the economic mess in the US wants India to lower interest rates? RBI will have no choice but to raise rates as long as public spending remains high by the UPA. HA! No thank you sir.Bernanke to Meet Indian Central Banker in MumbaiBy Sudeep Jain
Ben Bernanke will meet with Reserve Bank of India Governor Duvvuri Subbarao in Mumbai on Wednesday, marking the first time a serving Fed chairman has visited the Indian central bank.
Economists say the two should have lots to talk about.
For starters, Mr. Bernanke may give Mr. Subbarao some “lessons” on how monetary policy can help tackle a slowdown, says Ashima Goyal, who advises the Indian central bank on its monetary policy.
“They [the U.S.] have been doing a lot [to stimulate growth], whereas our central bank has been focusing on inflation,” Ms. Goyal said.
Since the global financial crisis struck in 2008, the U.S. Federal Reserve has used both conventional and unconventional tools to try to boost growth and lower unemployment. It has indicated that it may keep interest rates near zero through 2014 to encourage consumers to borrow more. And it hasn’t shied away from printing money aggressively, last month embarking on its third round of bond-buying since November 2008.
In contrast, the RBI has focused on combating inflation, which remains stubbornly high around 7.5%. It has raised rates by 3.75 percentage points over the past three years, making it the most aggressive central bank in Asia. In April, it cut rates by half a percentage point, but has since left them unchanged.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/10/ ... in-mumbai/
manny ..if i call you manmeet and say that you went to the ivy league chawal university in houston, will I have the right Manny from IIT D??Manny wrote:RamaY wrote:How can any Indian expect USA to tie their aid to Pakistan to later's actions against terrorism, when GoI itself separated acts of Pakistani terrorism on indian soil from its relationship with Pakistan?
As long as Indians expect someone else to cleanup their excretion, they will remain disappointed and live amidst the sh1t.
Exactly.. The desi Lefti "Sick-ular" congressie supporters want to make frands with Pakistan and yet whine about it if the US or Russia does it.
Isn't that what the Russians told Mr Singh that since India is trying to become friends with Pakistan its only fair for Russia to do the same.
What these fellas want, is the US should make enemies of Pakistan..while the lefti congressi should be the friendliest people for the Pakistanis.
Manny
That's becoz India has no bribe worthy enuff to offer the Paki which can ensure M-seal is stuck into the cracks over its head. Instead any bribe India offers is just used by Paki as a leverage to get more - give them Siachen, they will demand Cashmere, give them Cashmere and they will demand Lal Qila etc. Geographical proximity and history (including clowns like Nehru) forced India into this position - those other soopah powahs have neither and despite that luxury still fall on Paki's feet. While we may all dream of Paki getting his just deserts, I won't hold my breath. And chipanda is slowly realizing that Paki is not above taking bribes from chipanda and fomenting an Islamic revolution there too...what to do, it is old Paki habit onlee. But then chipanda is no demo-crazy like India hence, can wipe out such a revolution overnight using loud noises or perhaps their indigenous bamboo cage cottage industry.RamaY wrote: The other sooopah pawahs are successful to the extent that while they have some paki sh1t falling on their heads, they were able to keep pakis focus on their competitors. India failed to achieve the 2nd goal.
Recent speech by NSA is important here where he spelled it out openly. and also the nixing of the US plan to have a base in BD.arun wrote:This is as it should be. India needs to be circumspect in its dealings with the US who continues to remain a major weapon and funding supporter of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Who knows what tomorrow will hold .......... :
India appears ambivalent about role as U.S. strategy pivots toward Asia
Lot of hot air in this article, but it astonishes me that none of the Indian analysts admit even in private, India's main frustration with US: its propping up of TSP. I mean in theory its fine and dandy to compare India with China, makes India look like its in the same league as China, but India's real, immediate nemesis is TSP. And unless India can demonstrate a semblance of a abackbone in dealing with TSP's terrorists & nuke blackmail, India has no chance whatsoever of being any player beyond "South Asia". If tomorrow, US were to announce even a fraction of Iran style sanctions on TSP, these very same Indian analyists and strategic thinkers will be jumping up in joy, but nobody admits that. Matter of fact, US India partnership will soar of US does a real, genuine de-hyphenation between India & TSP, and treats TSP as the terrorist abomination that it is.shyamd wrote:Recent speech by NSA is important here where he spelled it out openly. and also the nixing of the US plan to have a base in BD.arun wrote:This is as it should be. India needs to be circumspect in its dealings with the US who continues to remain a major weapon and funding supporter of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Who knows what tomorrow will hold .......... :
India appears ambivalent about role as U.S. strategy pivots toward Asia
India knows its role in Asia and in the neighbourhood. It is US which is unclear about its relation with India.arun wrote:This is as it should be. India needs to be circumspect in its dealings with the US who continues to remain a major weapon and funding supporter of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Who knows what tomorrow will hold .......... :
India appears ambivalent about role as U.S. strategy pivots toward Asia
And Pray, what Indian Interests are being served by the Indian Foreign Policy of today and of the past 65 years ? The politicians in India act "traitorously", the Civil Service bureacracts act "traitorusly", even the top army brass is steeped in corruption, the Indian population across the board indulge in the vilest acts of corruption, castiesm, shortsightedness and almost "traitorous" behaviour and in the midst of all this, you seem to imply that somehow, the Foreign Ministry, Foreign Service and successive Prime Ministers in direct contrast with the general conduct of all the rest of the Indians, have been right on the ball all these years.Acharya wrote:India knows its role in Asia and in the neighbourhood. It is US which is unclear about its relation with India.arun wrote:This is as it should be. India needs to be circumspect in its dealings with the US who continues to remain a major weapon and funding supporter of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Who knows what tomorrow will hold .......... :
India appears ambivalent about role as U.S. strategy pivots toward Asia
U.S. analysts are questioning whether India will ever be a dependable strategic partner for the United States
India has to take care of its interest first not the geo political ambition of US interest
Acharya wrote:Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave a New Delhi a nudge last year, urging it “not just to look east, but to engage east and act east, as well.”
Is US taking care of India's foriegn policy, Why is US trying to interfere in Indian relations with its civilizational heritage.
Vikas Kumar doesn't get the main reason of the US cooperation. Its to fool the liberal Indian into thinking that the US is helping India in the fight against terrorism while it is the main sponsor of TSP which is the fountainhead of Islamist terrorism in the modern world. The US sponsors the TSP to keep the terrorism to be guided away from it.
Why the India–US counter-terrorism partnership is largely symbolic
October 11th, 2012 Author: Vikas Kumar, Azim Premji University
http://www.eastasia forum.org/ 2012/10/11/ why-the-india- us-counter- terrorism- partnership- is-largely- symbolic/
Zabiuddin Ansari, wanted among other things for the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attack, was recently deported from Saudi Arabia to India. This has been hailed
as a sign of growing convergence among India, the US and Saudi Arabia on terrorism and Iran.
But B. Raman, former head of the counter-terrorism division of India’s external intelligence agency, has convincingly argued that the India–Saudi Arabia link of the triad will remain weak. And
there are several reasons why even India–US counter-terrorism
cooperation will also continue to be largely symbolic and sporadic for
the foreseeable future.
Let us begin with demography. Muslims, mostly immigrants, account for just 0.6 per cent of the US population, whereas Muslims account for more than an eighth of India’s population and are among the country’s founding fathers and leading public and cultural figures.
India is geographically close to the nerve centres of Islamic terrorism in
South and West Asia. This proximity is a disadvantage as Pakistan-based
transnational terrorists can easily penetrate India’s porous land and
maritime borders. Moreover, India, unlike the US, has only a limited
overseas capacity to counter terrorism at its source. But even if it had such a capacity, it would be largely ineffective against nuclear
Pakistan. And irrespective of the incentives India may offer Pakistan’s
megalomaniac and paranoid military-intelligen ce establishment, the
latter will not deliver results because any letting down of the hate
campaign against India would conflict with its raison d’être.
In contrast, the US, which is geographically isolated and has a better
counter-terrorism capacity, is able to fight terrorism far away from its territory.
India and the US also differ in their ability to influence Islamic countries. India is
hugely dependent on Middle Eastern oil and many of its workers are
employed in this region. This reduces India’s bargaining power vis-à-vis the Middle East, which is a major source of financial and ideological
support for Islamic terrorist organisations in South Asia. In contrast,
given its influence over international institutions and the global
financial system, the US is relatively better placed to favourably
influence the policies of Islamic countries.
Last but not the
least, since the early 19th century Indian Muslims have been influenced
by developments in West Asia, and since the early 20th century they have been in conflict with the majority Hindus. The Muslim–Hindu conflict
resulted in the bloody partition of India that has left behind
unresolved territorial issues, and the West Asian influence has
radicalised some sectors of the Muslim community in India. As a result,
the Indian policymaker and common man alike believe that terrorism is to some extent linked to the Kashmir question and to Indian youth affected by Muslim–Hindu riots, both of which are problems internal to India.
These factors contribute to a number of differences between the counter-terrorism strategies of India and the US.
US policy makers regard terrorism as a foreign and national defence
problem. There is no influential domestic lobby that radically differs
from the establishment’s views in this regard. The domestic debate in
the US is largely about the logistics of fighting terrorism and the
identification of suitable international partners. Changes in
counter-terrorism strategy will not have a dramatic effect on US
domestic politics. So, policymakers have sufficient freedom to rework
strategy in response to changing threat patterns.
In contrast,
minor changes in strategy can disproportionately affect domestic
politics in India: a strong-arm strategy will radicalise the Muslim
masses, whereas a softer strategy will validate the Hindu right’s claim
that Muslims are appeased in the name of secularism. So, unlike the
drone-borne counter-terrorism efforts of the US, India’s fight against
terrorism is almost entirely police-driven and backed by potential soft
cultural options.
India is similarly constrained on the foreign
policy front. There are three reasons for this. First, Indian policy
makers and the public view international counter-terror operations as
undesirable insofar as they contribute to internationalising the Kashmir issue and attracting international jihadi attention to India. Second,
India is a net oil importer; Muslims have a much stronger political
presence in India; and mainstream political parties view the Palestine
problem through the prism of decolonisation. So, on the one hand, the
Indian government cannot, for example, support Israel on the Palestine
issue and benefit from US–Israel counter-terrorism expertise. On the
other hand, India cannot afford to go all out against Saudi Arabia and
Iran because of the deep attachment felt by many Sunni and Shia Muslims
to holy places in these countries and because of India’s dependence on
oil imports. Third, the US can bargain with countries like Pakistan
over, say, rendering terrorists like David Coleman Headley to third
countries and demanding, in exchange, cooperation to detect threats
against its homeland. But India does not have access to such tradable
assets.
To conclude, India and the US view Islam differently and they face very different geo-political and domestic constraints.
This in turn implies a divergence rather than convergence of
counter-terrorism strategies. Moreover, belated revision of the US’s
Kashmir policy and procrastination in banning terror groups focused on
India ensure that the Indian public and policymakers continue to
distrust the intentions of the US — and a reciprocal feeling exists in
this latter country. The two sides, therefore, need to overcome
historical distrust of each other. In the meantime, it is unfair to
treat counter-terrorism cooperation as the bellwether of their
relationship. In fact, it would help if existing counter-terror
cooperation were downplayed to knock the wind out of jihadi propaganda
against the phantom Judaeo–Christian–Hindu alliance. The India–US
relationship should instead build upon common interests like the
promotion of maritime security, free trade, energy security, clean
technologies, anti-proliferation regimes, human rights and democracy.
Vikas Kumar is Assistant Professor of Economics at Azim Premji University, Bangalore.
An earlier version of this article first appeared hereon Global Asia.
arun wrote:Praveen Swami tabulates in the Hindu the staggering extent to which the US has financed and supplied the Islamic Republic of Pakistan with weapons that improve its war fighting capability against India under the pretext of countering Mohammadden terrorism which in the first place has been fomented by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan itself:
From here:Large parts of the U.S. aid (see chart) have been made up of military assistance — assistance many analysts have argued is used mainly to develop its capacities to fight a war with India. “For example,” the report states, “of the some $2.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing provided to Pakistan from FY2002-FY2010, more than half has been used by Islamabad to purchase weapons of limited use in the context of counter-terrorism.”
Pakistan has used the aid to purchase equipment that could be used in a war against India — among them, eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft valued at $747 million; six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radar used to locate artillery positions, worth $100 million; 6,312 anti-armour missiles worth another $100 million; and the USS McInerney, a missile frigate, which has received an $65 million refurbishment.
In addition, the aid has part-funded 60 midlife kits for Pakistan’s F-16A/B combat jets, accounting for $477 million of the $891-million cost.
U.S. waived counter-terror conditions for aid to Pakistan, new official report states
A full ten days after the Indian media picked up the story, the mainstream US media via the Christian Science Monitor seems to have picked up the disclosure by the US Governments Congressional Reserach Service that the US had quietly waived the counter terrorism conditions set for providing aid to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.arun wrote:Chidanand Rajghatta writing in the Times of India adds to the topic.
Clearly the US is quite unconcerned that their policy with regard to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan rewards that country for Indian deaths and will in future result in yet more Indian deaths:
US winks again at Pakistani terror tactics
Ok, hold your breath ! The bombing starts any minute now !Manny wrote:India may ally with the US Strategically, if the US bombs Pakistan to the stone age...and removes the nukes and any nuke processing facility which the US helped build.
Baby Abducted, Grandmother Found Dead in Upper Merion
A woman is dead and her infant granddaughter missing after a homicide and abduction at an Upper Merion apartment, according to police.
Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman announced a $30,000 reward for information leading to the safe return of 10-month-old Saanvi Venna who was abducted from an Upper Merion apartment building on Monday.
Venna's grandmother, Satyavathi Venna, 61, who was babysitting the infant was murdered inside the family's home at the Marquis Apartment complex on the 200 block of West Dekalb Pike.
Three K-9 units were searching the area between the apartment building and the Pennsylvania Turnpike on Wednesday.
Investigators issued an Amber Alert just before 5 p.m. on Monday after the child's father and the murder victim's son, Venkata Konda Siva Venna, found the woman's body and realized his daughter was missing.
Police say Venna left work to check on the pair after receiving a call from a worried relative who was unable to reach them.
Police described Venna as an Asian-Indian female, standing 2-foot-6 and weighing 21 pounds, with black hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a white dress with pink flowers and wearing unknown jewelry.
On Tuesday, investigators canvassed the apartment complex and drained the swimming pool in search of clues.
"Please don't do any harm to the kid," said Vasu Velaga, a neighbor of the family. "Please release her immediately. Please inform the police."
The infant's father spoke Monday night during a press conference.
"If someone finds my baby could you please bring my baby back?" Venna pleaded. "Don't do any harm to my baby."
Family members speaking on behalf of Saanvi's parents pleaded for her return as they gathered at the Upper Merion Township Police Department on Tuesday.
``Bring the girl back to the parents,'' said Ram Venna, 36, the girl's uncle, who had flown in from his home in San Jose, Calif.
"We are pleading for everyone's help in finding my 10-month-old niece. Please call the police if you have any information that can help locate Saanvi. All of the family is grieving my mother's tragic death and praying for the safe return of my niece Saanvi," said Rem Venna.
Madhukar Sanikommu, 42, of Warren, N.J., a cousin of Saanvi's father, said the family was trying to hold onto hope that the girl would be found.
``We're all devastated right now,'' Sanikommu said.
Police say Satyavathi Venna arrived in the United States from India in July 2012 and was planning to return home in January 2013.
The child's mother, Chenchu Latha Punuru, was at work when Venna was murdered and the child was taken, according to police.
The Citizen's Crime Commission of Delaware Valley will be administering the reward posted by Upper Merion Township Police, The Montgomery County District Attorney's Office and the Teluga Association of North America.
If you have any information on the abduction, please call 215-546-TIPS.