Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 11 Jun 2011 10:51

SaiK wrote:do the pilots have to flip (180*) and fire or just fire?

If the pilot flips 180* and then fires, won't the missile home in on his musharraf which is sticking up high and dry thru the cockpit canopy, mistaking it for a nearer heat source?

Surya wrote:No the Jaguars were equipped for overwing missiles before Indian interest

Only India however seems to have actively certified and planned to use it int hat manner

The overwing pylons were also used by Sidewinders so not exclusively an Indian utilization.

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 11 Jun 2011 11:23

Surya wrote:No the Jaguars were equipped for overwing missiles before Indian interest

Only India however seems to have actively certified and planned to use it int hat manner

correct onlee this has some pics of RAF jaguars with sidewinders and ACMI owerwing pods...

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=36857

IIRC I also think the owerwing matras put some more load on the wings which was not good for the wings over time...

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 11 Jun 2011 11:37

andy Babua, what gives? Are you halal'ed yet or not?

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 12 Jun 2011 16:04

if you have a 4:3 monitor and use aircraft pics as wallpapers then these could be used. 750 in all. Most are from USAF though

https://picasaweb.google.com/ishubhanka ... spectRatio

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 12 Jun 2011 17:14

Guys, this is supposed to be for posting military pictures only. There are plenty of other threads of discussion.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 12 Jun 2011 18:32

ICGS Sankalp

One of my fav CGS pictures. Very nicely shot by DPR.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 12 Jun 2011 20:34

Raja Bose wrote:
Rakesh wrote:IAF Jaguars are designed to carry air-to-air missiles above the wing...reportedly an Indian invention IIRC.
All the Jaguar International variants (and later the Inglishtani variant) had the overwing pylons - dunno if it was an Indian invention or not. However, HAL played a big role in fixing a fatal flaw in the Jaguar's hydraulic system (something which the brits as usual never acknowledged) - shiv's cousin was involved in that.

Sorry for carrying on OT, but I remember reading in an air force publication (flight safety ?) some years back that the contract was designed in such a way that any modifications / improvements made by the user would automatically become the intellectual property of the BAE. The hydraulic system was a case in this point wherein a BAE team actually came over to India after a dead stick landing led to the resolution of the issue in-house. Same with the over wing pylons.

Perhaps Jagan can shed some more light on it.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 12 Jun 2011 20:39

search "a tale of two hydraulic systems"

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Jun 2011 20:45

kancha wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:
All the Jaguar International variants (and later the Inglishtani variant) had the overwing pylons - dunno if it was an Indian invention or not. However, HAL played a big role in fixing a fatal flaw in the Jaguar's hydraulic system (something which the brits as usual never acknowledged) - shiv's cousin was involved in that.
Sorry for carrying on OT, but I remember reading in an air force publication (flight safety ?) some years back that the contract was designed in such a way that any modifications / improvements made by the user would automatically become the intellectual property of the BAE. The hydraulic system was a case in this point wherein a BAE team actually came over to India after a dead stick landing led to the resolution of the issue in-house. Same with the over wing pylons.

Perhaps Jagan can shed some more light on it.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Histo ... aguar.html

I can take some credit for suggesting the name of this article to the author. BAe did not resolve the issue. HAL did and BAe copied it.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 13 Jun 2011 03:58

chackojoseph wrote:ICGS Sankalp

One of my fav CGS pictures. Very nicely shot by DPR.

What's the steel that this ship is made of??

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 13 Jun 2011 15:42

Surya wrote:No the Jaguars were equipped for overwing missiles before Indian interest

Only India however seems to have actively certified and planned to use it int hat manner

Indians did this first. Others followed Indians.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 13 Jun 2011 16:00

Sorry chacko

you are wrong - for the Indians todo it the pylons and wiring existed for overwing mount - what does that say?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 13 Jun 2011 16:22

Overwing pylons were a modification and were done in 1990's in british a/c. India had recd the Jags way before that. French did not have their Jags with overwing modification. Indian technicians had modified it first.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 13 Jun 2011 16:24

Overwing pylons were a modification and were done in 1990's in british a/c

I recollect Jag ads with overwing pylons in Aviation week well before that

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 13 Jun 2011 16:27

Surya wrote:
Overwing pylons were a modification and were done in 1990's in british a/c

What i meant was, the Indian birds did not have it built in. We recd Jags back in 1980's. later HAL took over the production. The British got their modification in 1990's. We had modified it earlier.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 13 Jun 2011 16:29

never mind - OT

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 13 Jun 2011 16:29

Surya, this is for you.

Jaguars were built for the Royal and French air forces. But today, most of them are operated by the IAF and the Royal Air Force of Oman. Indian aeronautical engineers also added overwing pylons on the aircraft to carry French Matra missiles, and this innovation was adopted also by other air forces.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 13 Jun 2011 22:20

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 13 Jun 2011 23:20

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aniket · Post by **aniket** » 14 Jun 2011 10:54

Can anyone ID the gun commando is carrying.It looks like a MP5K with that double magazine attachment ,but I'm not sure.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 14 Jun 2011 11:25

rohitvats wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
Cheenum,

The Black Cat div had a Armd Det as part of a Mtn Bde. I can get more details if you want. The Bde in question was interesting for more reasons than just that though.

cheers

Sachin
Please to be sharing whatever you can. thanx.

Hi Rohit,

For the kind of assets that the Bde had and it area of coverage it should have been an Ind bde. However.....But Arty Battery, Armd Det, Mech Det as well as a CPMF Bn was part of the Bde strength.

It was an interesting area to say the least. Contact me at kssachinathotmaildotcom..

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 14 Jun 2011 12:05

aniket wrote:Can anyone ID the gun commando is carrying.It looks like a MP5K with that double magazine attachment ,but I'm not sure.

You are right, it is a MP5K. BTW is the guy wearing a BPJ (without plates) or just some load bearing vest type thing?

chackojoseph wrote:Surya, this is for you.

Jaguars were built for the Royal and French air forces. But today, most of them are operated by the IAF and the Royal Air Force of Oman. Indian aeronautical engineers also added overwing pylons on the aircraft to carry French Matra missiles, and this innovation was adopted also by other air forces.

chacko ji, on checking, you are right - the work was done by ASTE and as usual copied by BAE.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 14 Jun 2011 19:10

ks_sachin wrote:It was an interesting area to say the least. Contact me at xxx..

Sachin,
You have got mail...
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uddu · Post by **uddu** » 14 Jun 2011 21:02

OT. Dmurphy, Is that Manish Tiwari protecting Talaivi?

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 15 Jun 2011 10:36

Guys what is this thing with we sharing the overwing pylon mods with the Brits ? We could hold it as a surprise to be used until the next conflict atleast our enemy wouldnt have expected Jags to carry Matra so it would have given that minuscule advantage by way of surprise

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 15 Jun 2011 11:09

suryag wrote:Guys what is this thing with we sharing the overwing pylon mods with the Brits ? We could hold it as a surprise to be used until the next conflict atleast our enemy wouldnt have expected Jags to carry Matra so it would have given that minuscule advantage by way of surprise

I don't think that it was India that developed overwing pylons for the Jaguar- they were actually designed for the Jaguar International variant, but were specifically modified for India (AFAIK), to allow carriage of the Magic missile, whereas the original overwing pylons were designed with LAU-7 launchers used for Sidewinders on the Jags.

There were even Lightning's before those Jags, with overwing fuel tanks.

edit- Nitin V, one of BRF's best sources of info had said that it was ASTE did develop the Matra Magic 2 overwing store capability for the Jaguar International and eventually RAF got around to using it.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 15 Jun 2011 13:05

Kartik - The Jaguar just had wing fences and India took the initiative to arm it with Magic. The Su-7 and follow up MiG-23BN and MiG-27 could carry R-60 and IAF wanted similar capability for the Jaguar. Though to be honest, in the absence of cueing radar, the missile deployment envelope is very limited for all three aircraft.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 15 Jun 2011 13:38

could the next poster commenting on Jaguar's over-wing pylons please respond either in the mil avia or newbie thread and x-post the link here so that the conversation may be carried out there. this thread has a purpose that gets defeated when discussions ensue
Thanks

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 16 Jun 2011 14:45

Thanks Hiten. Yes, guys, please continue discussions on relevant threads. This is for pix only. Do follow the thread topic.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 16 Jun 2011 19:23

Images of Indian Navy positioning equipments for salvage operation of 'MV Wisdom'

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 16 Jun 2011 21:14

miscellaneous IAF photos

http://www.aame.in/2011/06/indian-air-f ... s-men.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jun 2011 21:28

Hiten wrote:miscellaneous IAF photos

http://www.aame.in/2011/06/indian-air-f ... s-men.html

Great pics thanks. Note G-suit - legs and abdomen
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-RNGlKPWGhl0/Tfg0J ... 25255D.jpg

Also a link to a YouTube channel - check this video

http://www.youtube.com/luptonga#p/a/u/3/gi6W3J-40zY

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Jun 2011 23:21

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 18 Jun 2011 23:32

shiv wrote: Also a link to a YouTube channel - check this video
http://www.youtube.com/luptonga#p/a/u/3/gi6W3J-40zY

shiv ji, Shouldn't that go into BENIS and not here?
PS: I see you already did the honors!

Gurinder P · Post by **Gurinder P** » 19 Jun 2011 02:25

shiv wrote: Also a link to a YouTube channel - check this video
http://www.youtube.com/luptonga#p/a/u/3/gi6W3J-40zY

Epic Face Palm

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 21 Jun 2011 16:11

A bunch of pictures from Palam Air Force Museum, New Delhi.

http://jjamwal.in/photogallery/PalamAFM ... termarked/

PS: Site is still under construction. No thumbnails yet. You'll have to click on links to view the photos

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 27 Jun 2011 16:11

^^^

New link: http://www.gallery.jjamwal.in

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 27 Jun 2011 17:58

jamwal wrote:^^^

New link: http://www.gallery.jjamwal.in

Jamwalji. Thumbs up. Nice photos. Some of the stuff is really old there. Amazing!

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 28 Jun 2011 05:18

Excellent Pics, JJ, thanks for Sharing.

+1 for using Gallery 3.02. BR is moving over to that version soon as well. Its blazing fast.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Jun 2011 14:09

Thanks

Uploaded some more photos and added titles to a few. Total 545 pictures in that album now.