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Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 25 Jan 2013 17:00
by SSridhar
Hats off to Shri PVNR. He truly was a remarkable man.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 25 Jan 2013 20:42
by akashganga
SSridhar wrote:Hats off to Shri PVNR. He truly was a remarkable man.
Yes Shri Narasimha Rao was remarkable. He accomplished so many things in his 5 years in office and got did not get any credit. He solved Punjab problem, Assam Problem, Ayodhya problem, opened up the economy, nuclear issue, and so on. Manmohan Singh should thank Narasimha Rao for what he is today. If Narasimha Rao had another 5 year term he would have resolved Kashmir issue also once for all.

Unfortunately no one in congress party praises him or gives him any credit. In hist last days he was fighting court cases. Indira Gandhi deserves praise for getting Narasimha Rao to national stage when she was PM. I read somewhere that India adapted county wide 10 + 2 system of school education when he was education minister.

I would rate Narasimha Rao as the most intelligent PM india ever had.

My 2 cents.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 25 Jan 2013 21:50
by K Mehta
Look east and MFN to Pakistan too! Its a shame we dont use that stick we have!

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 25 Jan 2013 22:18
by svinayak
Please take a few lines from the links and past them in the quote for the readers. This is a humble request
Macmillan it was who had said in 1943 that ‘we are the Greeks to their Romans’. The Americans were ‘great big bustling people’, he patronisingly said, who needed to be mentored and guided by the worldly-wise English as Roman households had been by Greek tutors (who were in fact slaves, unhappily for the metaphor).

Acheson? He is as relevant a figure as Queen Victroria. Acheson came from a period when the United States was the undisputed military, economic and cultural power on the planet. Those days are already over -- like Macmillan's Britain, the present-day US is living on a legacy of the past.
So yes, by all means, bin the special relationship. And get the hell out of the EU while we're at it. We're headed for a multi-polar world -- so let's start looking out for ourselves and stop giving a toss what Johnny Foreigner thinks.
How did Britain 'lose' it's empire. One of Americas WWII war aims was to destroy the old European empires (French, Dutch and British), all their actions in the Far East in 1945 show it.

I puke ever time I read people talking about America and our relation with it. Britain was altered for ever, for the worse in so many ways , by the American invasion of Britain in 1943, they are still in occupation.

Is it still to late to kick them where it hurts? No, not if we helped the Chinese and the Russians, the Americans will soon be on the back foot.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 25 Jan 2013 22:29
by ramana
Actually I would like members to think about Nehru's ideas of non-alignment vs the British hope of being arbiters between US and Russia as Acheson pointed out.

Both ideas were big without the necessary whewithal to carry them through.


No wonder I felt INC was brwon East India Company.

Now think back and see if 1962 was a jahpad allowed to take place which demolished the non alignment pretense just as 1956 Suez crisis brought the Brits down to earth.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 25 Jan 2013 23:18
by Manish_Sharma
^^ +1
I remember even at that time how the whole of press was spitting poison against him , calling him RSS mole and that he had attended shakhas in younger days.

The best PM of all times.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 26 Jan 2013 02:25
by Virupaksha
PVNR's political origins were in the freedom movement against the nizam and not much directly against the british, as such his founding political experiences differed from the rest of the INC core.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 28 Jan 2013 00:04
by Christopher Sidor
PVNR and the Lal Bhadhur Shastri were the two most influential and under rated Prime Ministers in post-nehru India. It is a shame that we do not honor them enough.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 31 Jan 2013 07:50
by abhishek_sharma
Ten questions for Chuck Hagel
3. On cyberwar: "Are you worried that America's use of cyberwarfare capabilities -- such as the famous STUXNET attack on Iran -- is setting a dangerous precedent for others? Given our growing dependence on computer networks, shouldn't we be actively pursuing some sort of a global regime to limit this danger, instead of assuming we will always be better at it than others?
#9: On rape in the U.S. armed forces: "President Obama has recently authorized the deployment of women in combat roles. Yet sexual harassment and rape have reached epidemic proportions within the U.S. military, with over 3000 incidents per year being reported. What do you intend to do about this?"

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 07 Feb 2013 07:13
by abhishek_sharma
“Money” forces Pentagon to one carrier in Persian Gulf
The U.S. is reducing its naval presence in the Persian Gulf region to just one aircraft carrier to reduce costs, a military official confirms to the E-Ring.

“Money,” was the one-word answer from the official, when asked for the reason behind the Pentagon’s decision.

The U.S. had positioned two carriers within Central Command last April, during a period when Iran was threatening to mine the Straits of Hormuz as the U.S. was ramping up sanctions on Tehran. USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) was due to shove off from Norfolk, Va., on Thursday, the official said, but the last-minute change means thousands of sailors, officers and personnel will now say stateside, indefintely. The Pentagon also cancelled the deployment of the USS Gettysburg (CG-64), a Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser.

It is the latest overt signal from the Obama administration that the budgetary uncertainty in Washington has already begun to affect military operations.

President Obama’s senior advisors met with defense industry executives at the White House on Wednesday, including Huntington Ingalls Industries, which builds aircraft carriers, according to press secretary Jay Carney.

In a Georgetown University speech on Wednesday morning, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta blasted Congress for a “lurching” budget drama he called the most concerning national security issue facing the country. Panetta said that if sequester happens next month, the Pentagon will have to curtail global naval operations, citing the pivot to Asia but not offering specifics.

“This is not a game. This is reality,” Panetta said.

The USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) has been in the region since last fall. The USS Dwight D. Eisenhower was kept home for maintenance this winter, however, dropping the U.S. presence to one carrier in December.

The U.S. routinely sends carriers through the region at various times, so the actual number of carriers could increase quickly.

Pentagon press secretary George Little, in a statement, said "Facing budget uncertainty -- including a continuing resolution and the looming potential for across-the-board sequestration cuts -- the U.S. Navy made this request to the secretary and he approved. This prudent decision enables the U.S. Navy to maintain these ships to deploy on short notice in the event they are needed to respond to national security contingencies."
Why George Packer is wrong about American engagement
George Packer of the New Yorker is always worth reading, and he has a thoughtful reflection in the latest issue on Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state and what it tells us about the Obama administration's successes and failures during the first term. His basic thesis is that the White House didn't give Hillary much to do (though she stayed plenty busy doing it) and downplayed diplomacy in favor of drone strikes, special forces, and other military instruments. These tools were deployed without an excess of zeal and there were no big catastrophes, but also not a lot of big wins either.

So far so good. But Packer's real complaint is that things are deteriorating in some key places, and that Obama is going to have to shoulder the burden of global leadership in his second term. There's trouble throughout the greater Middle East, he warns, and that region "will remain an American problem." And so he concludes his piece with a recommendation that ought to send your "uh-oh" meter tingling. In his words, "[Obama] will need to give his next Secretary of State, John Kerry, the authority that he denied his last one, to put the country's prestige on the line by wading deep into the morass."

I don't know about you, but I've always thought that when you see a morass, the last thing you want to do is "wade deeply into it." Ditto quagmires, bogs, and the "Big Muddy." Indeed, most of the problems U.S. foreign policy has faced in recent years have occurred when we poured vast sums into ambitious social engineering projects in societies we didn't understand and where our prospects for success were never bright.

Packer is surely correct that the greater Middle East is in turmoil, but it does not follow that deep American engagement there -- even if purely diplomatic -- will solve that problem. For starters, there is little affection for the United States in many of these societies, either because they rightly blame us for turning a blind eye to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians or because they rightly blame us for backing various brutal dictatorships for our own strategic reasons. Nor does the United States have a lot of credibility as a diplomatic actor, having screwed up the Oslo peace process (with plenty of help, to be sure) and having bungled the occupation of Iraq.

Instead of wading deeper into the morass, in short, the United States would be far better served with a more distant and hands-off strategy. This doesn't mean writing off the region entirely, as we still have a strategic interest in keeping oil flowing to world markets and in discouraging the spread of WMD or the emergence of more anti-American jihadis. But getting deeply involved in the excruciatingly complex problems of internal governance and institution-building that are going to be taking place in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and elsewhere is probably something America is not that well-suited for, no matter how noble our intentions. Moreover, in some cases greater U.S. involvement fuels jihadism or gives some states greater incentive to think about getting WMD. Regrettably, we are equally incapable of making a positive contribution to solving the Israel-Palestinian conflict, which is neither the source of all the region's troubles nor irrelevant to our diminished capacity there.

I don't like admitting that there are problems that Uncle Sam can't solve, and I wish I could share Packer's enthusiasm for another round of energetic U.S. engagement. But given our track record of late, the Hippocratic injunction to "do no harm" strikes me as the wiser course. And I'm pretty sure Obama agrees, although he's unlikely to admit it too loudly or too often.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 08 Feb 2013 06:18
by SSridhar
Divisions within Muslim world on display at OIC meet - BusinessLine
The leaders of Muslim countries today offered conflicting approaches to the crises in Mali and Syria, exposing some of the deep divisions that run through the Islamic world. {Classic Islamic divisions. They unite only against the kafir.}

More than 25 Prime Ministers and Presidents are taking part in a two-day summit of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation in Cairo, which brings together leaders from across the Muslim world.

In his opening address to the gathering, Senegalese President Macky Sall commended France for its military intervention in Mali, and said the Muslim world cannot allow “a minority of terrorists to commit crimes, distort our faith and deepen hatred for Islam”.
{What the heck did you, Islamic countries, do to stop the 'minority' from distorting your faith ? You don't do anyting because you support them in their fight against kafir willy-nilly}
He was alluding to the Islamist militants who seized control of northern Mali before a French-led force, which includes troops from Senegal, began to roll them back.

The French operation has received broad international support although Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi has repeatedly denounced the intervention, saying it threatens to perpetuate instability across the region.

Addressing the summit today, Morsi stopped short of condemning Paris for its actions in Mali, but made clear that Cairo did not support it.

Turning to Syria, Morsi sharply criticised President Bashar Assad’s embattled regime, saying it “must read history and grasp its immortal message: People who... put their personal interests before those of their people will inevitably go.”

The conflict in Syria has been deeply divisive in the Middle-East, pitting a largely Sunni opposition against a regime dominated by Assad’s Alawite minority — a heterodox offshoot of Shiite Islam.

Sunni States such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have thrown their weight behind the rebels, while Shiite heavyweight Iran is Damascus’ closest regional ally.

And, the longest-running and deepest division in the Islamic world — the Sunni-Shiite fault line — was on full display during a meeting on the eve of the summit attended by its highest-profile participant — President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.

Sunni-Shiite tensions dominated talks between Ahmadinejad and Egypt’s most prominent cleric, Sheik Ahmed el-Tayeb, who warned against Iranian interference in Gulf nations, particularly Bahrain, where the ruling Sunni minority has faced protests by the Shiite majority.

The two-day Islamic summit is organised by the Saudi-based, 57-member Organisation of the Islamic Conference created in 1969. Syria’s membership has been suspended for its Government’s violent crackdown on the uprising there.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013 07:22
by abhishek_sharma
Good news: World War I is over and will not happen again
Gideon Rachman is one of the best-informed and most sensible columnists writing on foreign affairs these days, and he's one of the reasons you ought to subscribe to the Financial Times. (Compared to the FT oped page, Wall Street Journal opeds on foreign affairs often read like a weird combination of yellow journalism and worst-case planning, with a shot of Mad Magazine thrown in).

It therefore pains me to have to take issue with Rachman's recent column warning of rising tensions in East Asia, and all the more so because he quotes two respected colleagues, Joe Nye and Graham Allison. His concern is the possibility of some sort of clash between China and Japan, precipitated by the territorial dispute over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands exacerbated by rising nationalism in both countries and concerns over shifting balances of power. These are all legitimate worries, although it's hard to know just how serious or volatile the situation really is.

The problem lies in Rachman's use of the World War I analogy -- specifically, the July Crisis that led to the war -- to illustrate the dangers we might be facing in East Asia. The 1914 analogy has been invoked by many experts over the years, of course, in part because World War I is correctly seen as an exceptionally foolhardy and destructive war that left virtually all of the participants far worse off. Moreover, popular histories like Barbara Tuchman's The Guns of August (which is said to have influenced John F. Kennedy's handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis), and A.J.P. Taylor's War by Timetable have reinforced an image of World War I as a tragic accident, a war that nobody really intended. In this version of history, the European great powers stumbled into a war that nobody wanted, due to miscalculations, rigid mobilization plans, extended alliance commitments, and poor communications.

This interpretation of 1914 has been especially popular during the nuclear age, as it seemed to provide a bright warning sign for how great powers could blunder into disaster through misplaced military policies or poor crisis management. And given Rachman's concerns about the possibility of a Sino-Japanese military clash over the disputed islands, and the obvious costs that any serious clash of arms would entail, it's not hard to see why he's drawn to the 1914 case.

The problem, however, is that this interpretation of the origins of 1914 is wrong. World War I was not an accident, and the European great powers didn't stumble into it by mistake. On the contrary, the war resulted from a deliberate German decision to go to war, based primarily on their concerns about the long-term balance of power and their hope that they could win a quick victory that would ensure their predominance for many years to come.

As Dale Copeland lays out in the fourth chapter of his masterful book, The Origins of Major Wars, German Chancellor Theobald von Bethman-Hollweg used the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria as a pretext to launch a preventive war -- something Germany's leaders had been contemplating for some time -- and he cleverly manipulated the July Crisis in an attempt to pin the blame for the war on others. Not only did Germany's leaders give Austria-Hungary a "blank check" to go after Serbia (which had backed the terrorist group that had assassinated the Archduke), they egged the reluctant Austrians on at every turn. German leaders also knew that a Balkan war was likely to trigger Russian military mobilization -- as it eventually did -- and that this step would give them the pretext for war that they were looking for. The war, in short, was not an accident, at least not in the sense that Rachman means.

This is not to say that errors and miscalculations were not at play in 1914. Russia and Great Britain failed to figure out what Germany was planning in a sufficiently timely fashion, and Germany's leaders almost certainly exaggerated the long-term threat posed by Russian power (which was their main motivation for going to war). German military planners were also less confident of securing the rapid victory that the infamous Schlieffen plan assumed, yet they chose to roll the iron dice of war anyway.

But the key point is that the European powers did not go to war in 1914 because a minor incident suddenly and uncontrollably escalated into a hegemonic war. The real lesson of 1914 for the present day, therefore, is to ask whether any Asian powers are interested in deliberately launching a preventive war intended to establish regional hegemony, as Germany sought to do a century ago.

The good news is that this seems most unlikely. Japan is no position to do so, and China's military capabilities are still too weak to take on its various neighbors (and the United States) in this fashion. And in the nuclear age, it is not even clear that this sort of hegemony can be established by military means. If China does hope to become the dominant power in Asia (and there are good realist reasons why it should), it will do so in part by building up its military power over time -- to increase the costs and risks to the United States of staying there -- and by using its economic clout to encourage America's current Asian allies to distance themselves from Washington. It is not yet clear if this will happen, however, because China's future economic and political trajectory remains highly uncertain. But deliberately launching a great power war to achieve this goal doesn't seem likely, and especially not at the present time.

There is one feature of the East Asian security environment that is worrisome, however, though it bears little resemblance to pre-war conditions in 1914. Today, conflict in East Asia might be encouraged by the belief that it could be confined to a naval or air clash over distant (and not very valuable) territories and thus not touch any state's home territory or domestic population. All Asian countries would be exceedingly leery of attacking each other's homelands, but naval and air battles over distant islands are precisely the sort of military exchange one might use to demonstrate resolve and capability but at little or no risk of escalation. That's the scenario that I worry about, but that is not what happened back in July 1914.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013 12:33
by Philip
The shock resignation of the current Pope,Benedict the 16th,has rocked the catholic world,as well as causing a global sensation.It is almost 600 years since a Pope last resigned.failing health and lack of strength to carry on is the Pope's explanation,but are there undercurrents too for the action? Though he will not be part of the Conclave to elect his successor,the Pope no doubt would've exercised his influence as he did last year by appointing new cardinals.What has gripped Vatican watchers is that according to ancient prophecies,his successor supposed to be,"Peter the Roman",will be the the "Last Pope",before Rome itself is destroyed by fire.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/fe ... tion-taboo

Pope Benedict XVI's shock resignation breaks '600-year taboo'

Pope Benedict, whose eight-year rule was characterised by theological conservatism and what critics said was complicity in the cover-up of clerical sexual abuse, blames health problems

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 13 Feb 2013 02:03
by Agnimitra
^^ Phillip,

Pope Benedict was also vilified by Islamists and their Islamophile Western liberals due to some of his initial remarks about the nature of Islam. That could be one contributing reason.

Its also interesting that there's a lot of chatter about this news and the 'Pope Prophecy' in the lay Moslem community.

A lot will be revealed by who is nominated as successor. Will Roman Catholicism and political Christianity have its first non-White European Pope?

Prayers for Asia's first pope
Manila - With attention turning from Europe to the “new” world, worshippers in the Philippines prayed quietly and took to social media on Tuesday in the hope their cardinal might be chosen as the next leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics.

Many Catholics in the Philippines, the largest Christian community in Asia, were shocked by Pope Benedict's resignation, including their charismatic leader, Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle.

...

“The announcement also brought sadness to us. We felt like children clinging to a father who bids them farewell,” he said, praising Benedict's “humility, honesty, courage and sincerity”.

Stunning as it was, Benedict's resignation has thrown the papal spotlight outside the Church's European heartland, now home to only 25 percent of the Catholic population.

The post once reserved for Italians is now open for all, although about half the cardinals who will vote for the next pope after Benedict's reign ends on Feb. 28 are from Europe.

Latin America represents the largest single bloc in the Church with 42 percent of Catholics, putting Latin Americans and African cardinals among the front-runners to succeed 85-year-old Pope Benedict.

Tagle's close alignment to Pope Benedict, an uncompromising conservative on social and theological issues, could work in his favour, with the Philippines a bulwark of Catholicism in a mainly Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist region.

...

But Tagle's youth, and the fact that he only became a cardinal late in 2012, may work against him. “What we should do is not pray for Cardinal Tagle but pray for the right pope, as inspired by the Holy Spirit, to be elected by the cardinal members of the conclave,” Lucas said.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 13:39
by pankajs
Further on the the petrodollar politics

Now consider the India's requirement of oil. For every barrel of oil that we import, we have to fork out dollars that has to be obtained via trade. India and its citizens have to work and produce something that is desired by outsiders (But ultimately by the Americans for that is where the dollars come from). That holds true for every oil importer in the world except the US. If the Americans need to buy oil from outside all they have to do is print the required dollars. See the magic of the petrodollar! The oil in effect is FREE for the Americans except of course the cost of printing the dollars. If such an arrangement was to include the Indian Rupee, all our oil related worries would vanish that instant. Whenever we needed oil we would just print the required rupees and hand it over to the oil producers. Because the extra currency would stay out of the country, no worries on the Inflation front. Wouldn't that be a sweet deal and wouldn't you do everything in you power to prevent so called rogue states from destroying such a system.

If the above is true, then it implies that ALL the worlds Oil Reserves, no matter where they are, are owned by the Americans! It does not matter that the Saudis or the Russians or the Venezuelans or the Iranians or the Iraqis sit on top of the oil wells. It does not matter that the individual countries can turn off the tap. The petrodollar system has in effect given the Americans complete control over the worlds oil reserves and not a single barrel of oil can be bought or sold without their consent. The Saudis and others are in effect just the gatekeepers to this great American treasure and are allowed a slice of the profit to police the property.

I know that the above view is simplistic, but it gives you an idea of what is at stake for the US, the Iranians and the world. Also, folks might look at countries that are oil exporters, that have tried to move away from the dollar or have struck deals in other currencies and the general impression of these countries and their government created by the US government and media. On the other, you don't hear much about the Saudis. Even when negative reference cannot be avoided, such criticism is usually muted in the mainstream media.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 20:53
by Christopher Sidor
The dominance of dollar is due to dominance of american economy on the world stage. So Dollar gets used for all commodities trading, hydrocarbon based included. It is just that Hydrocarbon trading is one of the biggest commodity trade in the world. Today's economy depends on hydrocarbons and its products. We have crossed the industrial revolution which was based on steel/iron and coal. We today reside in the Hydrocarbon era. Imagine the road on which we travel to work to the soap that we use to the Vaseline to many other products, all of them have a hydrocarbon element as an input. And I have not even started with a hydrocarbon based energy which makes all the manufacturing, distribution and consumption possible.

So if a country like Iran even decides that it will receive only euros or yen or swiss franc or any other currency for its hydrocarbon resources then it will not work. Iran's trading partners i.e. japan, PRC, India, South Africa, etc, also have to agree to take euros/yen/swiss franc as a payment for the goods and services sold to Iran. I do not see that happening. Not unless and until American economy is superseded by a bigger economy.

Other countries will accept Rupee only if they buy massive amounts of goods from us. For example take the case of Saudi Arabia, even if we eliminate the hydrocarbon resources from our trading mix, we simply do not sell that much amount of goods to Saudi Arabia. So Saudi Arabia will not accept Rupees for its hydrocarbon resources. Because what will it do with the rupees that it earns? It needs to buy Wheat from Argentina or USA or Australia. It needs to buy weapon systems from USA or EU. It is not possible for Saudi Arabia to pay Argentina or Australia or USA or EU in Rupees. This applies to Iran, Iraq or any other hydrocarbon exporting nation.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 21:41
by Mukesh.Kumar
@ Cristopher: Newbie question
pankajs wrote: For example take the case of Saudi Arabia, even if we eliminate the hydrocarbon resources from our trading mix, we simply do not sell that much amount of goods to Saudi Arabia.
Remittances from Saudi form about 11% of total remittances to India as per the World Bank estimates. UAE is another 25% odd. On a base of USD $ 60 billion for the last FY, the Saudi & UAE remittances would amount to USD 6.5 billion and USD 15 bil respectively. Whereas Saudi & UAE provide about USD 25 bil & USD 13 bil of oil to India. Besides this there is about USD 3 bil and USD 24 bil. In such a case is it not possible to convert at least part of the trade to INR. Saudi needs INR for remittances back to India, and ditto for UAE. What is the drawback?

P.S. The numbers may not be on the dot as I did a ballpark estimation based on INR:USD rates, export figures, remittances and oil imports from mid-2012

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 21:44
by svinayak
Mukesh.Kumar wrote:

Remittances from Saudi form about 11% of total remittances to India as per the World Bank estimates. UAE is another 25% odd. On a base of USD $ 60 billion for the last FY, the Saudi & UAE remittances would amount to USD 5 billion and USD 15 bil respectively. Whereas Saudi & UAE provide about USD 25 bil & USD 13 bil of oil to India. Besides this there is about USD 3 bil and USD 24 bil. In such a case is it not possible to convert at least part of the trade to INR. Saudi needs INR for remittances back to India, and ditto for UAE. What is the drawback?

P.S. The numbers may not be on the dot as I did a ballpark estimation based on INR:USD rates, export figures, remittances and oil imports from mid-2012
These remittance will be small when Indian economy grows big. These are only temporary things over 30-50 years

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 21:48
by Mukesh.Kumar
@ Acharya: So you are saying that imports will outstrip remittances. Hadn't thought of it from that angle. But would not our exports also increase? Would not the rupee also strengthen and thereby find flavour with other countries to trade in?

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 22:11
by svinayak
Bottom line - remittances dont matter in a large economy

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 22:30
by RamaY
Mukesh.Kumar wrote:@ Acharya: So you are saying that imports will outstrip remittances. Hadn't thought of it from that angle. But would not our exports also increase? Would not the rupee also strengthen and thereby find flavour with other countries to trade in?
This fact has been pointed out many years ago. The estimated oil bill to KSA is $17b and UAE $9B in 2011. It is pure trade/economic relationship and India doesn't need to compromise on its interests when it comes to OIC nations. Or for that matter west.

The difference between NRIs in other countries and majority of Muslim countries is the rights and freedoms they have. Nearly 5 million Indians live in questionable conditions to earn this money for India.

India hardly spends any resources on providing the services this set of Indians deserve for their contributions.

There needs to be a coordinated effort to educate, equipp and serve this section of Indians so Indian interests in the respective nations are well secured. Unfortunately the cancer of secularism and pseudo-secularism of India are not allowing this to happen.

Sources:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/0 ... HI20120806

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 17 Feb 2013 22:53
by pankajs
Christopher Sidor wrote:Other countries will accept Rupee only if they buy massive amounts of goods from us. For example take the case of Saudi Arabia, even if we eliminate the hydrocarbon resources from our trading mix, we simply do not sell that much amount of goods to Saudi Arabia. So Saudi Arabia will not accept Rupees for its hydrocarbon resources. Because what will it do with the rupees that it earns? It needs to buy Wheat from Argentina or USA or Australia. It needs to buy weapon systems from USA or EU. It is not possible for Saudi Arabia to pay Argentina or Australia or USA or EU in Rupees. This applies to Iran, Iraq or any other hydrocarbon exporting nation.
Saar my point about the Rupee was to show how sweet the petrodollar deal is for the US, essentially all oil import for the US is free.
Christopher Sidor wrote:So if a country like Iran even decides that it will receive only euros or yen or swiss franc or any other currency for its hydrocarbon resources then it will not work. Iran's trading partners i.e. japan, PRC, India, South Africa, etc, also have to agree to take euros/yen/swiss franc as a payment for the goods and services sold to Iran. I do not see that happening. Not unless and until American economy is superseded by a bigger economy.
If the above hold true, Iran has committed economic suicide by moving away from the dollar without any intervention from the west. So why press sanctions when they would achieve nothing over Iran's self inflicted wounds? If Iran's oil trading partners would desert it on their own, why arm-twist the rest of the world to implement what is essentially a US domestic law mandated by the US congress?

It is because leaving or being thrown out of the dollar denominated oil trade will hurt Iran in the short term but by no stretch of imagination is going to finish off that country. Iran and it partners had started working on other mechanism of settling the oil trade. In every likelihood, over a period of time the Iranian oil trade would have bounced back once the initial hiccups in the settlement process was ironed out.

The fact that the US had to threaten Iran's trading partners is proof that it is possible to work outside the petrodollar system and that In fact Iran has succeed in in its effort to break free. So the global bully had to go after the oil importing nations and force them to implement what is essentially a domestic US law. (In my previous post, I had written about the lever the petrodollar settlement provides to the US)

Now from the American Enterprise institute Cutting the Iran-China Connection - Dated: February 14, 2013
I will not quote from inside but just the headline tells us a lot. Dollar trade can be bypassed and is the source of all the fury and concern in Washington.

Let me just re-emphasize.
pankajs wrote:I know that the above view is simplistic, but it gives you an idea of what is at stake for the US, the Iranians and the world.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 18 Feb 2013 00:11
by pankajs
Just saw this in the West Asia thread
shyamd wrote:
New Delhi,Business/Economy, Sat, 16 Feb 2013 IANS
New Delhi, Feb 16 (IANS) As the West reels under financial crisis, Kuwait and other Gulf nations have urged India to play an active and important role in transforming the Asian continent into an Asian Union.
Let us say whole Asia decides to emulate the European union and we have the Asian Union followed by a single Asian currency. Can you see what that will mean for the petrodollar?

Malaysia and India trade with each other in dollars (Representative of Trade between 2 nations that do not have any special relationship) .To facilitate such trade both buy and sell dollar also maintain a sufficient reserve. Assume Malaysia and India both are part of the "Asian Union" and abolish their local currency in favor of the "Asian currency". Their trade is now done is the "Asian currency" thus reducing the dollar demand within "Asia Union". from India's point of view, dollar is still needed to trade with countries outside the Union but now the reserve that you need to maintain will be far less. Dollar is traded less as well as dollar reserves is lower that is 2 hits on the dollar.

Now if Middle-east oil trade were to move to the "Asian currency", anyone buying from there will have to use the "Asian currency" and the demand for that currency will rise at the expense of the dollar. If Asia's hunger for oil can be combined with the Middle-east's reserve, it will transform the world order as we know it today.

Note: I do not expect any such thing to happen anytime soon for there are far too many internal contradictions within Asia. The fact that one of the GCC member has spoken of this is of huge significance. It confirms my view that the west built and controlled global trade/financial system is under immense pressure and you can see the players jostling for influence in the emerging world order. What has been proposed by the GCC is exactly the sort of parallel trade settlement that will help bring about the demise of the petrodollar. Again, I do not expect this proposal to work out but such a proposal coming out of the GCC is indicative of its desire to get rid of the dollar linkage.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 18 Feb 2013 03:30
by pankajs
Iraq and Saddam Hussein has been crippled by sanctions that had been in effect for more than 10 years and US was content to let the situation work itself out. So why did US invade Iraq in 2003? One theory that has been advanced is it was to defend the petrodollar.



An article from 2005
Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse
Contemporary warfare has traditionally involved underlying conflicts regarding economics and resources. Today these intertwined conflicts also involve international currencies, and thus increased complexity. Current geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran’s nuclear intentions, and likely include a proposed Iranian “petroeuro” system for oil trade.

Similar to the Iraq war, military operations against Iran relate to the macroeconomics of ‘petrodollar recycling’ and the unpublicized but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency.


It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam’s long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do to do with fighting International terrorism than it has to do with gaining strategic control over Iraq’s hydrocarbon reserves and in doing so maintain the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market. Throughout 2004 information provided by former administration insiders revealed the Bush/Cheney administration entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam Hussein.

Candidly stated, ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. government in Iraq, establish multiple U.S military bases before the onset of global Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency (i.e. “petroeuro”).
In essence, Iran is about to commit a far greater “offense” than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro for Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Beginning in March 2006, the Tehran government has plans to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades – using a euro-based international oil-trading mechanism.[7]

The proposed Iranian oil bourse signifies that without some sort of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project of U.S. global domination, Tehran’s objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on dollar supremacy in the crucial international oil market.
The upcoming bourse will introduce petrodollar versus petroeuro currency hedging, and fundamentally new dynamics to the biggest market in the world - global oil and gas trades. In essence, the U.S. will no longer be able to effortlessly expand its debt-financing via issuance of U.S. Treasury bills, and the dollar’s international demand/liquidity value will fall.
The Real U.S. Concern with Iran - The Petrodollar or WMDs?
As beneficial as it was for the economy, the "petrodollar" system added exponentially to the U.S. dominance in global politics as well. It forced global oil money to flow through the US Federal Reserve, creating international demand for US dollars; but it also allowed US debt to explode with fewer-than-normal consequences. It essentially enabled the US to buy oil for a fraction of what the rest of the market paid, since oil's value is denominated in a currency that only America controlled. The petrodollar system spread to become the currency of choice for all international trade and virtually every country had to maximize its US dollar surplus from its export trade in order to secure its ability to purchase or sell oil.

Therefore, since only the U.S. may print the petro-dollars, they also control the flow of oil. When oil is denominated in dollars exclusively produced through the U.S. Federal Reserve and the dollar is the only fiat currency for trading in oil, an argument can be made that the U.S. essentially owns the world's oil for free.
France and a few other EU members convinced Saddam Hussein to change the petrodollar process and sell Iraq's oil-for-food in euros, not dollars. At about the same time, other nations hinted at their interest in non-US dollar oil trading, including Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and Indonesia.

If OPEC decided to follow Iraq's lead and suddenly began trading oil on the euro standard, it would mean economic meltdown for the U.S.

Oil-consuming nations would have had to divest themselves of U.S. dollars ,via their central bank reserves, and replace them with either euros or whatever currency the party nations preferred. The consequences would be the dollar would crash in value, U.S. currency would collapse, and massive inflation would ensue. Foreign funds would flee from U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there would be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, and the current-account deficit would become unserviceable. The inevitable result would lead the U.S. budget deficit to go into default creating a severe worldwide depression brought on by the U.S. inability to pay it's debts.
If the US dollar loses its position as the global reserve currency, the consequences for America cannot be over-stated. Most of the dollar's valuation stems from its iron-clad grip on the oil market. Should the U.S. petrodollar monopoly fade, so too would the value of the dollar. Such a major upheaval in global fiat currency relationships would favor some currencies and destroy others. The only certain outcome is that gold would rise even more than it has to date. Again, good for some countries, but given the rise and fall of ALL commodities, huge risk for the U.S., particularly in the short-term.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 18 Feb 2013 03:54
by pankajs
The End of Dollar Hegemony - Ron Paul - 2006
The agreement with OPEC in the 1970s to price oil in dollars has provided tremendous artificial strength to the dollar as the preeminent reserve currency. This has created a universal demand for the dollar, and soaks up the huge number of new dollars generated each year. Last year alone M3 increased over $700 billion.

The artificial demand for our dollar, along with our military might, places us in the unique position to “rule” the world without productive work or savings, and without limits on consumer spending or deficits. The problem is, it can't last.

Price inflation is raising its ugly head, and the NASDAQ bubble — generated by easy money — has burst. The housing bubble likewise created is deflating. Gold prices have doubled, and federal spending is out of sight with zero political will to rein it in. The trade deficit last year was over $728 billion. A $2 trillion war is raging, and plans are being laid to expand the war into Iran and possibly Syria {Remember this is from 2006}. The only restraining force will be the world's rejection of the dollar. It's bound to come and create conditions worse than 1979—1980, which required 21% interest rates to correct. But everything possible will be done to protect the dollar in the meantime. We have a shared interest with those who hold our dollars to keep the whole charade going.
Most importantly, the dollar/oil relationship has to be maintained to keep the dollar as a preeminent currency. Any attack on this relationship will be forcefully challenged — as it already has been.

In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil. His arrogance was a threat to the dollar; his lack of any military might was never a threat. At the first cabinet meeting with the new administration in 2001, as reported by Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, the major topic was how we would get rid of Saddam Hussein — though there was no evidence whatsoever he posed a threat to us. This deep concern for Saddam Hussein surprised and shocked O'Neill.
In 2001, Venezuela's ambassador to Russia spoke of Venezuela switching to the Euro for all their oil sales. Within a year there was a coup attempt against Chavez, reportedly with assistance from our CIA.
It's become clear the U.S. administration was sympathetic to those who plotted the overthrow of Chavez, and was embarrassed by its failure. The fact that Chavez was democratically elected had little influence on which side we supported.

Now, a new attempt is being made against the petrodollar system. Iran, another member of the “axis of evil,” has announced her plans to initiate an oil bourse in March of this year. Guess what, the oil sales will be priced Euros, not dollars.
But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old-fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That's not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony — it's dominance as the world reserve currency — is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.

For the most part the true victims aren't aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is, until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world's reserve currency.

It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar's value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.
Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don't declare direct ownership of the natural resources — we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.
Our whole economic system depends on continuing the current monetary arrangement, which means recycling the dollar is crucial. Currently, we borrow over $700 billion every year from our gracious benefactors, who work hard and take our paper for their goods. Then we borrow all the money we need to secure the empire (DOD budget $450 billion) plus more. The military might we enjoy becomes the “backing” of our currency. There are no other countries that can challenge our military superiority, and therefore they have little choice but to accept the dollars we declare are today's “gold.” This is why countries that challenge the system — like Iraq, Iran and Venezuela — become targets of our plans for regime change.

Ironically, dollar superiority depends on our strong military, and our strong military depends on the dollar. As long as foreign recipients take our dollars for real goods and are willing to finance our extravagant consumption and militarism, the status quo will continue regardless of how huge our foreign debt and current account deficit become.
Concern for pricing oil only in dollars helps explain our willingness to drop everything and teach Saddam Hussein a lesson for his defiance in demanding Euros for oil.

And once again there's this urgent call for sanctions and threats of force against Iran at the precise time Iran is opening a new oil exchange with all transactions in Euros.

Using force to compel people to accept money without real value can only work in the short run. It ultimately leads to economic dislocation, both domestic and international, and always ends with a price to be paid.

The economic law that honest exchange demands only things of real value as currency cannot be repealed. The chaos that one day will ensue from our 35-year experiment with worldwide fiat money will require a return to money of real value. We will know that day is approaching when oil-producing countries demand gold, or its equivalent, for their oil rather than dollars or Euros. The sooner the better.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 18 Feb 2013 23:27
by Christopher Sidor
Mukesh.Kumar wrote:@ Cristopher: Newbie question
pankajs wrote: For example take the case of Saudi Arabia, even if we eliminate the hydrocarbon resources from our trading mix, we simply do not sell that much amount of goods to Saudi Arabia.
Remittances from Saudi form about 11% of total remittances to India as per the World Bank estimates. UAE is another 25% odd. On a base of USD $ 60 billion for the last FY, the Saudi & UAE remittances would amount to USD 6.5 billion and USD 15 bil respectively. Whereas Saudi & UAE provide about USD 25 bil & USD 13 bil of oil to India. Besides this there is about USD 3 bil and USD 24 bil. In such a case is it not possible to convert at least part of the trade to INR. Saudi needs INR for remittances back to India, and ditto for UAE. What is the drawback?

P.S. The numbers may not be on the dot as I did a ballpark estimation based on INR:USD rates, export figures, remittances and oil imports from mid-2012
Getting precise figures is very difficult as far as remittances are concerned, due to hawala and other non-official transactions, so we can very well take the estimates that you have given. Theoretically it is possible for Saudi Arabia or other gulf countries to take rupees and then pay Indian labour in rupees, thus avoiding the hidden transaction costs in dollar conversion. But this implies that the shortfall of India-gulf trade would be made up by labour, which may not always be the case.

Previously yes there was a trend where in people used to go to Gulf in droves. El Dorado the fabled land of gold was one of the adjectives used to describe these countries. But now with Indian economy in a better shape, with opportunities a plenty in India and off course the bad reputation that gulf employers have availed for themselves this is no longer the case. Currently most of the house-workers in Saudi Arabia come from Ethiopia. Previously they were from asean nations. Prior to that off course from the subcontinent. Going forward gulf countries will require low-paying unskilled workers. India is fast moving away from that.

Now take the case of Iran. Gulf nations do allow Indian workers to come and work. Iran does not. And consider other oil+gas exporting nations like Russia, Venezuela, etc. These countries will not even entertain significant number of Indian workers like Gulf countries have.

Also if there is a slow down in the Gulf remittances dry up or decrease. But it is doubtful that our oil+gas imports from gulf will decrease by the same amount. So you see remittances may help to balance the overall surplus, but only to some extent. At the end it is better to depend on having a balanced trade.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 20:05
by pankajs
The video link inside did not work for me. Found the speech posted on youtube in 3 parts. Every sentence of his is informative and the speech is highly educative.






Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 20 Feb 2013 06:57
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 21 Feb 2013 02:03
by Prem
Russian PM in Brazil seeking arms, nuclear technology deals

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-brazil ... 18857.html
BRASILIA (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev met with Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff on Wednesday on a visit to Brazil aimed at sealing defense and nuclear technology deals with a fellow member of the BRIC bloc of emerging nations.On their agenda was the possible sale of Russian anti-aircraft missile systems to Brazil, a Brazilian government spokesman said.Brazil is beefing up its air defenses ahead of the World Cup soccer tournament next year and the 2016 Olympic Games to ward off the threat of a terrorist attack during the global sporting events, which will draw massive crowds of foreigners.Medvedev's trip follows a visit by Rousseff to Moscow in December that underlined the importance both countries attach to building relations among the BRIC club of emerging economies.
The BRIC countries - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - have a combined GDP of $14.9 trillion and have become increasingly vocal in criticizing developed nations' hold over global economic policies.
Ties between Brazil and Russia have been strengthening and they want to raise annual trade turnover to $10 billion from the current $6.5 billion.Moscow will tout its advanced energy expertise and technology aiming to get involved in Brazil's plans to build new nuclear power stations to meet surging demand for electricity that has overwhelmed its generating capacity."We would like to offer our participation in the construction of nuclear plants and would like to get an invitation to participate in (the upcoming) tender," a senior official in the Russian delegation said.He said Russia could train Brazil's nuclear staff, design research reactors and supply fuel for the future plants.Medvedev also will try to clinch the sale of Russia's anti-aircraft missile technology, including the Pantsir S1 combined missile and artillery system and Igla-S portable surface-to-air missiles.
Brazil is interested in buying three Pantsir batteries with medium-range missiles and wants to acquire the technology to build the missiles itself in the future."We have already signed a commercial protocol on Igla-S supplies, which also foresees the opportunity of licensed production, but talks are ongoing," the Russian official said. "Licensed production launch may take some time, so they have expressed interest in importing Igla-S in the meantime too."Russia is the world's second largest arms exporter and a deal with Brazil would largely be seen as a symbolic penetration of the Latin American defense market, after Russia lost some key contracts due to the Arab Spring uprisings in the Middle East.Medvedev also will discuss the possible increase of Brazilian meat supplies to Russia, its largest buyer, the official said, but Moscow's sanitary authorities will make sure it is compliant with all the necessary standards.As a sign of the two countries drawing closer, Brazil on Tuesday became the first country outside Russia to host a monitoring station for the Russian satellite navigation system GLONASS, a global positioning system that uses 24 satellites.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 21 Feb 2013 11:27
by pankajs
pankajs wrote:Further on the the petrodollar politics
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Also, folks might look at countries that are oil exporters, that have tried to move away from the dollar or have struck deals in other currencies and the general impression of these countries and their government created by the US government and media. On the other, you don't hear much about the Saudis. Even when negative reference cannot be avoided, such criticism is usually muted in the mainstream media.
Just saw this post in the west asia thread
brihaspati wrote:Here is some from the "other side" the shi-ite:
http://www.shiitenews.com/index.php/pak ... udi-arabia
Saudi Arabia's alleged financing of Sunni militant groups has been a sore point in Washington. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned in a December 2009 classified diplomatic cable that charities and donors in Saudi Arabia were the "most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide." In the cable, released by Wikileaks, Clinton said it was "an ongoing challenge" to persuade Saudi officials to treat such activity as a strategic priority. She said the groups funded included al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Google brings up this article from Guardian from 2010 on WikiLeaks.
WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists
Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.

Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.
Saudi officials are often painted as reluctant partners. Clinton complained of the "ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist funds emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority".

Washington is critical of the Saudi refusal to ban three charities classified as terrorist entities in the US. "Intelligence suggests that these groups continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas," she said.
Any criticisms are generally offered in private. The cables show that when it comes to powerful oil-rich allies US diplomats save their concerns for closed-door talks, in stark contrast to the often pointed criticism meted out to allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Compare that to the allegation of Saddam's links to Al-Quida that was invoked by the US along with WMD concerns to attack Iraq. Why were the Saudis spared even when 15 of the 19 911 hijackers were Saudi nationals and the US believes it to be the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide?

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 21 Feb 2013 22:54
by Christopher Sidor
^^^^
Because Saudi Arabia did not attack USA. Al-qeda did. If we follow the logic, that the financier, is equally culpable as the perpetrator of the crime than India would have to go to war with most of the GCC countries, USA, EU and Japan. Worse India would also logically become a target of Sri Lanka (remember LTTE/PLOTE/TULF being financed partly in India) and other countries.

Also there was another reason. Saudi Arabia, Iraq+Kuwait and Iran have the worlds largest reserves of Oil+Gas. When 9/11 happened, relations between USA and Iraq were frosty to say the least and between USA and Iran downright hostile. So USA just could not turn on Saudi Arabia for financing most of the terrorist organisations in the world.

Iraq is slowly achieving its pre-1990 oil output. Iran has not even surpassed its pre-revolution oil production capacity. So once past the middle of the decade, when America has achieved natural gas self-sufficiency and Iraq takes its rightful place as one of the biggest, if not the worlds biggest oil producer, then Saudi Arabia can be handled or reduced to a footnote in the books of history. Remember what George Bush Jr had said, the Iraq adventure was to remake Middle east. That vision has not died or given a quite burial.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 22 Feb 2013 16:13
by pankajs
Christopher Sidor wrote:^^^^
Because Saudi Arabia did not attack USA. Al-qeda did. If we follow the logic, that the financier, is equally culpable as the perpetrator of the crime than India would have to go to war with most of the GCC countries, USA, EU and Japan. Worse India would also logically become a target of Sri Lanka (remember LTTE/PLOTE/TULF being financed partly in India) and other countries.
Agree. I just wanted to bring out the absurdity of the US position wrt Iraq when by the stated logic Pakistan and Saudis should have been the real target.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 22 Feb 2013 16:28
by pankajs
Rachel Maddow Special "Hubris: Selling The Iraq War"

On 18th Feb, NBC News aired its new documentary, Hubris: Selling the Iraq War, based on the book of a similar name by David Corn and Michael Isikoff.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 27 Feb 2013 07:25
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 28 Feb 2013 11:44
by svinayak
A Top secret plan is going on worlwide to topple the current geo political order in such a way that it will create dangerous situation.
Asia and Eurasia is being targetted and Asia is planned for making it less less significant geopolitically by making it unstable.


NK is major role in this plan.

Pak and AF Pak has a major role in this is create a wars across Eurasia and keep it down when the Western countries recover from their self created downturn.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/ ... T620130227
Russia's Putin tells army to shape up for foreign threat


By Alexei Anishchuk
MOSCOW | Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:14pm EST
(Reuters) - Vladimir Putin ordered military leaders on Wednesday to make urgent improvements to the armed forces during his new presidential term, saying Russia must thwart attempts by the West to tip the strategic balance of power.

Putin's remarks, to rows of uniformed officers and defense officials, reflected increasing hawkishness since he returned to the Kremlin for a six-year term last May, and a growing readiness to cite foreign threats and use anti-Western rhetoric to rally support.

"Attempts are being made to tip the strategic balance," said Putin, who as president is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, told his audience at the General Staff academy on Moscow's outskirts. The head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, sat in the front row.

"Geopolitical dynamics call for a quick and considered response ... Russia's armed forces must move on to a new level of capabilities in the next three to five years," said Putin, who has not ruled out seeking another term in 2018.

The former KGB spy said moves that threatened Russia's geopolitical position included the eastward expansion of Russia's former Cold War foe NATO and U.S. deployment of an anti-missile shield in Europe.

He said drills must be sharpened up and held with less advance warning, to keep soldiers on their toes.

"Combat training must not be laid-back, so that soldiers know about emergency exercises six months in advance, but must be as similar as possible to the real conditions of modern combat and warfare," he said.

Following a decade of military spending cuts after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Putin has been the driving force behind plans to spend 23 trillion roubles ($750 billion) through 2020 to upgrade Russia's ageing armaments.

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 01 Mar 2013 10:15
by Lilo
^^
Budget 2013: Defence budget hiked 14% over last year

Amidst global economic slowdown that fuelled fears of a cut in defence spending, Union Finance Minister P. Chidambaram gave a 14 per cent hike in defence budget aimed at sustaining armed forces’ modernisation drive.

The Defence Ministry’s allocation was proposed to be Rs. 2,03,672 crore, up by Rs. 25,169 crore from last year’s revised estimate of Rs. 1,78,503 crore.
....

“I propose to increase the allocation for defence to Rs 2,03,672 crore. This will include Rs 86,741 crore for capital expenditure,’’ Mr. Chidambaram said while assuring the Lok Sabha that financial constraints would not come in the way of providing any additional requirement for the security of the nation.
Acharya ji,
We should think more on the question on how the West intends to precipitate a world war engulfing much of Eurasia and Africa while avoiding any loss to themselves in the longterm.

Will they use Islamists ?
Will they use pseudo communists ?
Will they use social media fueled "Revolutions" ?
Will they become reckless agents under the protection of their now effective ABM shields ?

Agni V with MIRV and credible compact 150-200 Kt warheads were needed yesterday and maun mohan singh is sitting on both .

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 01 Mar 2013 14:21
by Anand K
Apparently Hugo Boss is in critical condition...

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 02 Mar 2013 11:09
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 05 Mar 2013 07:14
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Geopolitical thread

Posted: 05 Mar 2013 07:34
by habal
the 'west' as backup plans has deployed weapons in outer space. There are beam weapons that send directed electromagnetic pulses and can destroy any target on earth. They have full fledged space program where they have fleets of anti-gravity ships that are making various trips to destinations not known yet. They have help of various non-human (as we know it) entities in this matter. The entire advanced technology comes from these non-human entities.

These new technologies are then adapted in very human ways and lot of byproducts and offshoot weapons are derived which need to be tested real-time. And thus there are wars imposed every three years. Such is the tremendous variety of technology that is introduced into the western sphere. First there is directly derived technology and that needs no testing, though for reasons of human ego, one can use it to show off superiority. Then there is a whole load of technology offshoot that are derived in clever human ways and these have to be extensively tested in battlefield conditions to know their effectiveness, if any, in real battle.