Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Apr 2014 01:35

little pooch what is preventing VRaje to take action against Vadra? at least few FIR here & there....

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 28 Apr 2014 01:38

IndraD wrote:little pooch what is preventing VRaje to take action against Vadra? at least few FIR here & there....

Don't know how accurate this article is (and the author is a highly suspect character), but here it is anyway.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-a ... 05893.html

James B · Post by **James B** » 28 Apr 2014 01:38

Unless BJP files an FIR against Vadra we cannot presume that Omerta code has been broken. Till then it will be smoke & mirrors onlee.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Apr 2014 01:42

mu understanding is that initially there was deal between BJP CON not to attack each other below belt and even now same is the situation , what is going on is mere lip service, and it will end on 16 May, if V Raje doesn't act on Vadra we should presume it is a set up

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 28 Apr 2014 01:52

pankajs wrote:
Rahul Kaushik ‏@kaushkrahul 2h

One thing I love about @narendramodi Ji is how he gives reply to journos. Absolutely brilliant. Hez rocking in his DD News interview!!
Video link anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNtIwqN01bI

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 28 Apr 2014 01:52

IndraD wrote:mu understanding is that initially there was deal between BJP CON not to attack each other below belt and even now same is the situation , what is going on is mere lip service, and it will end on 16 May, if V Raje doesn't act on Vadra we should presume it is a set up

I give you

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoon ... n5343l.jpg

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 Apr 2014 01:56

While there is little doubt about Modi and his teams capabilities, Amit Shah took charge of UP only in June 2013 after BJP executive meeting in Goa. And without the RSS infrasture to tap into in UP, I doubt if Amit Shah or even Modi could have done anything. He tapped into their local expertise and information network to see & cross check if BJP karyakartas were doing their jobs.

Although volunteers from Gujarat have joined the campaign in Uttar Pradesh, Shah relies on local party units and RSS men to carry out most of the campaign’s spadework. The RSS officially never gets involved in electioneering, but its strong organisational structure and emphasis on discipline make it an important tool for him. Each constituency in the state has at least three teams of coordinators including RSS workers, and he has handpicked other RSS karyakartas to supervise the activities of BJP workers, coordinate between the RSS and the BJP, and mobilise different wings of the Sangh for campaigning. “The presence of the RSS is critical because they have their own structure with which they can contrast the claims of the party workers,” a BJP Lok Sabha candidate in Uttar Pradesh told me. “For instance, in a meeting, if Amit Shahji is asking about how many households we have targeted and the local party worker is fudging, he can be caught easily by the RSS overseers who can cross-check his claims from their own parallel information structures.” - See more at: http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage ... 0gsIW.dpuf

This raises interesting questions.
WTF were AJ, LKA, SS and NG doing all this while? This was a vast network of human capital that was waiting to be exploited to get into power. But Delhi-wallas lacked both vision and capabilities to harness this.
Inside the BJP, needless to say, the power has shifted irrevocably into Modi's and Amit Shah's hand. If they have a large number from UP on May 16, it is obviously bad news for the Delhi four and state level leaders will shift their allegiance to the new leaders who guided them. Their ticket for the walk into the sunset will be handed over to them then.
Delhi seems to insulate people from the reality that is the rest of India. Stay too long there & the evil engulfs you too.

AkshayM · Post by **AkshayM** » 28 Apr 2014 02:22

If Ahmed Patel is out of the background means two things, one family handlers have given up now and accepted Modi government and two, they are packing up.

Now that Modi has shown that they will be paid back in kind and with interest, Sonia, Priyanka and Rahul may now go avoid direct attacks as they have way more skeletons, murders, scams in the closet then every regional satrap combined.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Apr 2014 02:24

Neela wrote:This raises interesting questions.
WTF were AJ, LKA, SS and NG doing all this while? This was a vast network of human capital that was waiting to be exploited to get into power. But Delhi-wallas lacked both vision and capabilities to harness this.

I think within the RSS appreciates something like declining to wear the skull cap offered by a Mullah does mean a lot! This is something pseudo-leaders like Rajnath Singh would never understand.

RSS cadre respects those leaders who have a strong feeling of own civilization vs. the foreign, even as one acts according to Raj Dharma treating everyone fairly.

Since the Delhi leaders had forgotten some basic axioms of Hindutva and gotten into all-round tokenism, they lost all power to excite the RSS cadre for their agenda.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2014 02:26

rajnath singh also belongs to rss.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 28 Apr 2014 02:33

IndraD wrote:mu understanding is that initially there was deal between BJP CON not to attack each other below belt and even now same is the situation , what is going on is mere lip service, and it will end on 16 May, if V Raje doesn't act on Vadra we should presume it is a set up

It will all be done when water tight case is built. I believe that will take time a cooperation from other states too. With a uncooperative central govt. It will hit a road block.

He can run for his life out of the country. He could be deported if red corner notice is issued through Interpol. All his assets will be seized in the interim.

Things take time. Besides V Raje would rather be seen doing it at the behest of centre rather than be called indulging in petty politics without concentrating of development agenda on which she was elected.

When the first domino falls will the formation of new Modi led government, the others will topple like a house of cards.

Let's not assign motives until things are clear. However, Raje should issue at least a cursory statement that investigations are progressing. Cooperation with adjoining states is requested but not forthcoming or something on those lines.

Remember how Tejpal was allowed to keep a mobile phone in jail.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Apr 2014 02:35

Rahul M wrote:rajnath singh also belongs to rss.

Many BJP leaders belong to RSS, including LK Advani. I was speaking about what may influence cadre's respect towards a political leader including those coming from an RSS background.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Apr 2014 02:41

i think their agenda was not nationalism or development, but rss... of course there could be some intersection of ideas.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Apr 2014 04:00

Frederic · Post by **Frederic** » 28 Apr 2014 04:19

Neela wrote:While there is little doubt about Modi and his teams capabilities, Amit Shah took charge of UP only in June 2013 after BJP executive meeting in Goa. And without the RSS infrasture to tap into in UP, I doubt if Amit Shah or even Modi could have done anything. He tapped into their local expertise and information network to see & cross check if BJP karyakartas were doing their jobs.

Although volunteers from Gujarat have joined the campaign in Uttar Pradesh, Shah relies on local party units and RSS men to carry out most of the campaign’s spadework. The RSS officially never gets involved in electioneering, but its strong organisational structure and emphasis on discipline make it an important tool for him. Each constituency in the state has at least three teams of coordinators including RSS workers, and he has handpicked other RSS karyakartas to supervise the activities of BJP workers, coordinate between the RSS and the BJP, and mobilise different wings of the Sangh for campaigning. “The presence of the RSS is critical because they have their own structure with which they can contrast the claims of the party workers,” a BJP Lok Sabha candidate in Uttar Pradesh told me. “For instance, in a meeting, if Amit Shahji is asking about how many households we have targeted and the local party worker is fudging, he can be caught easily by the RSS overseers who can cross-check his claims from their own parallel information structures.” - See more at: http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage ... 0gsIW.dpuf
This raises interesting questions.
WTF were AJ, LKA, SS and NG doing all this while? This was a vast network of human capital that was waiting to be exploited to get into power. But Delhi-wallas lacked both vision and capabilities to harness this.
Inside the BJP, needless to say, the power has shifted irrevocably into Modi's and Amit Shah's hand. If they have a large number from UP on May 16, it is obviously bad news for the Delhi four and state level leaders will shift their allegiance to the new leaders who guided them. Their ticket for the walk into the sunset will be handed over to them then.
Delhi seems to insulate people from the reality that is the rest of India. Stay too long there & the evil engulfs you too.

The same applies to the ground level situation in TamilNadu too. I guess a couple of years ago, the BJP main office in Chennai was trashed by the Dravidian party goons ( don't recall which party), and some of the party workers were inhumanly beaten up. The state president, all he could manage was a pathetic bleat of a press release going underground after that.

The enthusiasm of the party cadre now after TsuNamo is to be heard to be believed. In many MP seats they have gone head to head against the DMK and the ADMK power and pelf. (Of course AAPtads were not in the picture in TN at all.)

In areas like KonguNadu (western TN) and KanyaKumari, the latent BJP support that is erupting to the surface has astonished the state level brass. The unanswered question of course, is, what the heck has the central and the state leadership been doing so far?

Frederic · Post by **Frederic** » 28 Apr 2014 04:23

panduranghari wrote:
IndraD wrote:mu understanding is that initially there was deal between BJP CON not to attack each other below belt and even now same is the situation , what is going on is mere lip service, and it will end on 16 May, if V Raje doesn't act on Vadra we should presume it is a set up
It will all be done when water tight case is built. I believe that will take time a cooperation from other states too. With a uncooperative central govt. It will hit a road block.

He can run for his life out of the country. He could be deported if red corner notice is issued through Interpol. All his assets will be seized in the interim.

Things take time. Besides V Raje would rather be seen doing it at the behest of centre rather than be called indulging in petty politics without concentrating of development agenda on which she was elected.

When the first domino falls will the formation of new Modi led government, the others will topple like a house of cards.

Let's not assign motives until things are clear. However, Raje should issue at least a cursory statement that investigations are progressing. Cooperation with adjoining states is requested but not forthcoming or something on those lines.

Remember how Tejpal was allowed to keep a mobile phone in jail.

Niran reported a while ago that Raje is going 100% by the rule book. They want the case to be airtight. Also they are waiting for the right time I guess. Amid the election frenzy, if too many details leak out, Bianca can turn into a cry-fest. The ax will fall, but at the pleasure of the hangman.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Apr 2014 04:52

Rahul M wrote:rajnath singh also belongs to rss.

He is in the RSS but is not of it.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 28 Apr 2014 05:16

Lilo wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNtIwqN01bI

Is he wearing a bullet-proof jacket inside?

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 28 Apr 2014 05:25

Eureka Eureka!!! (imagine congis in nude) Evidence found on corruption by Modi. Congis say He has 250 pairs of clothes from 2006

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Apr 2014 05:47

Neela wrote: This raises interesting questions. ... But Delhi-wallas lacked both vision and capabilities to harness this. ... Delhi seems to insulate people from the reality that is the rest of India. Stay too long there & the evil engulfs you too.

It is not evil that engulfs but sloth. Delhi is a make believe world of modern day equivalent of qawwali and khyal, gazals, mujras and ruled by the modern day equivalent of the slave dynasty with the dynasty acting as slaves to the west/sunni emperors.

The advent of Islamic rule under the Delhi Sultanate and later the Mughal Empire over northern India caused considerable cultural interchange. Increasingly, musicians received patronage in the courts of the new rulers, who in their turn, started taking increasing interest in local music forms. While the initial generations may have been rooted in cultural traditions outside India, they gradually adopted many aspects from their kingdoms which retained the traditional Hindu culture. This helped spur the fusion of Hindu and Muslim ideas to bring forth new forms of musical synthesis like qawwali and khyal.

The cultural interchange has turned into a cultural domination at least in Delhi. But then India has lot more depth than the shallow strips of land like Baluchistan, or Pakistan (err. Punjab).

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 28 Apr 2014 06:03

That pic of SAAP volunteers shaking hands with piyakkad Vadra is telling. It looks like native slaves trying to shake hands with a Gori queen and as if we live in 1930's. Post May 16 hopefully we will have some normalcy

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Apr 2014 06:10

SwamyG wrote: One of my few Act Thoos in BRF....is on the BJP party. If BJP wins spectacularly and NDA gets 300+ seats, it is ALL because of Modi (and this team) + RSS + BJP cadres. NOT BJP Leaders. 2014 could be truly a victory of the people by the people.

Completely agree.

I am really appalled at the idiocy of majority of BJP leaders when they speak to media.
None of the topics media asks them is new. Why can't they find some harsh but witty rebuttals all these years.

Media asks these questions no matter what the topic is -
1/ RSS links
2/ communalism
3/ fear of minorities
4/ Bajrangdal/VHP etc
5/ Gujarat riots
6/ skull cap
7/ NDA is in power for 5yrs
8/ corruption in BJP
9/ Modi visa
10/ Hindu terror
...

SaraLax · Post by **SaraLax** » 28 Apr 2014 06:22

Frederic wrote:
Neela wrote:While there is little doubt about Modi and his teams capabilities, Amit Shah took charge of UP only in June 2013 after BJP executive meeting in Goa. And without the RSS infrasture to tap into in UP, I doubt if Amit Shah or even Modi could have done anything. He tapped into their local expertise and information network to see & cross check if BJP karyakartas were doing their jobs.

Although volunteers from Gujarat have joined the campaign in Uttar Pradesh, Shah relies on local party units and RSS men to carry out most of the campaign’s spadework. The RSS officially never gets involved in electioneering, but its strong organisational structure and emphasis on discipline make it an important tool for him. Each constituency in the state has at least three teams of coordinators including RSS workers, and he has handpicked other RSS karyakartas to supervise the activities of BJP workers, coordinate between the RSS and the BJP, and mobilise different wings of the Sangh for campaigning. “The presence of the RSS is critical because they have their own structure with which they can contrast the claims of the party workers,” a BJP Lok Sabha candidate in Uttar Pradesh told me. “For instance, in a meeting, if Amit Shahji is asking about how many households we have targeted and the local party worker is fudging, he can be caught easily by the RSS overseers who can cross-check his claims from their own parallel information structures.” - See more at: http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage ... 0gsIW.dpuf

This raises interesting questions.
WTF were AJ, LKA, SS and NG doing all this while? This was a vast network of human capital that was waiting to be exploited to get into power. But Delhi-wallas lacked both vision and capabilities to harness this.
Inside the BJP, needless to say, the power has shifted irrevocably into Modi's and Amit Shah's hand. If they have a large number from UP on May 16, it is obviously bad news for the Delhi four and state level leaders will shift their allegiance to the new leaders who guided them. Their ticket for the walk into the sunset will be handed over to them then.
Delhi seems to insulate people from the reality that is the rest of India. Stay too long there & the evil engulfs you too.
The same applies to the ground level situation in TamilNadu too. I guess a couple of years ago, the BJP main office in Chennai was trashed by the Dravidian party goons ( don't recall which party), and some of the party workers were inhumanly beaten up. The state president, all he could manage was a pathetic bleat of a press release going underground after that.

I guess - The above mentioned incident happened during the UPA-1 times when DMK was still in rule in TN (~ 2007 ?) and was trying to browbeat everybody into getting the Sethusamudhram project related dredging work started and there was lots of resistance from around the country ... cases started getting filed. The INC was silent even as DMK's main 2-Wife chief & then TN CM ... Mu Ka ... was blatantly insulting lord Ram ...calling him a drunkard, questioning as to from which college he got his Civil Engg degree (in response to the dharmics responding with the existence of Sethu bridge & its imminent destruction by this project as being one of the main reason for the rush in getting project started). In this din - some sadhu from Ayodhya or nearby .... asked for beheading of Mu Kaa for his insulting lord Ram. The following sunday - DMK unleashed its goons on 'Kamalalayam' - BJP regional office in Chennai and they started smashing the build with big bricks and some women workers even got injured. The TN BJP head at that time ...i guess ... was L Ganesan (a pro-DMK guy from with in local BJP organization) ... no case was filed by local BJP and nobody was taken to task. But in response - the local DMK office in Matunga, Mumbai was put to siege and a couple of local DMK workers (no clue why DMK has its workers there) were smashed up & dispatched to Hospital. Mu Kaa immediately called up the then MH CM (... was it Vilasrao Deshmukh ?) .... and complained about this incident and asked for better safety of DMK property in Mumbai.

Frederic · Post by **Frederic** » 28 Apr 2014 07:03

Thanks SaraLax, the very same. The dates info failed me. Early onset of dementia I guess

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Apr 2014 07:36

So why is Modi targeting leaders like Mamta and JJ? Is he not making his life difficult?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Apr 2014 07:38

He has to get maximum percentage in the state to make Jaya to align with him in future or He has to build the party. For both, he needs to be aggressive and put his development perspective.

If BJP had 10-15% base in these state, both TMC and AIADMK would not have ignored him

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Apr 2014 07:51

So you think that he thinks, BJP has a larger vote share in the states - at least sufficient enough to threaten the ladies? The Bournvita guy has began calling Modi names.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2014 09:27

WB update : modi tore into TMC and mamata over sarada scam and other issues yesterday. as usual it had huge crowd response. it's the front page news on all newspapers. the largest daily, ABP gave half the front page to his speech and uses the word 'devastating' again and again to describe it.

TMC's unofficial mouthpiece has sent a reporter to gujarat who files daily reports on how bjp is cpm-ish and gujarat model doesn't exist.
the effort they are spending for discrediting modi and his model tells us TMC is apprehensive about a bjp push.

p.s this should gladden rahulmehta. modi said all bangladeshis should pack their bags because there would be no place for them here after may 16.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 28 Apr 2014 09:47

SwamyG wrote:So you think that he thinks, BJP has a larger vote share in the states - at least sufficient enough to threaten the ladies? The Bournvita guy has began calling Modi names.

Modi is trying to split the vote of the primary regional party in various places, with either a win for NDA+ or for another competing regional party. By weakening ADMK (through TN NDA and DMK), TMC (through BJP and CPM) and BSP (through BJP and SP), he's trying to ensure that if NDA doesn't reach 272, these regional outfits simply lack the leverage to do anything more than support NDA post poll. Strong NDA + weak Cong + weak regionals means greater potential for a stable NDA government, if he needs post poll support.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 28 Apr 2014 09:50

^^He didn't mean all bangladeshis. He did say that Hindus refugees from throughout the world are welcome. So, only non-Hindus (muslims) need to pack their bags.

Fun times are coming.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2014 09:54

that's implicitly understood. TMC mouthpiece is already crying about 'communalising'.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 Apr 2014 09:57

"For persecuted Hindus , India is their last refuge and we will welcome them."
"Illegal BDs will be sent packing"

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 28 Apr 2014 09:58

My Fake on Sonia's bharatiyata, dalit tourism & damaad ji:

Sonia Gandhi wants to teach Indians how to cook Dal Makhani

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Apr 2014 10:02

if 2G/3G scam worth was distributed for the welfare of TN, the whole of TN would like 100 times better than Gujarat. please note, that can happen even without scams. Amma simply has a corrupted setup underneath, and whatever little face she shows, is all crap. TN is waiting for someone who can provide corruption free model.

people at gov office in TN are the most corrupted on the face of the planet

Shankas · Post by **Shankas** » 28 Apr 2014 10:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNtIwqN01bI

Doordarshan Interview

Watch from 31:30 - 32:15

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 28 Apr 2014 10:13

If Bangaladesh refuses to accept their illegal immigrants, Modi should put them in a refugee camp on the border in squalid conditions. Then there will be no need for BD to accept them. The illegals will find a way into BD themselves just as they found a way into India.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Apr 2014 10:14

Hari Seldon wrote:
Rahul M wrote:rajnath singh also belongs to rss.
He is in the RSS but is not of it.

And you know this because ?

vic · Post by **vic** » 28 Apr 2014 10:22

panduranghari wrote:
IndraD wrote:mu understanding is that initially there was deal between BJP CON not to attack each other below belt and even now same is the situation , what is going on is mere lip service, and it will end on 16 May, if V Raje doesn't act on Vadra we should presume it is a set up
It will all be done when water tight case is built. I believe that will take time a cooperation from other states too. With a uncooperative central govt. It will hit a road block.

He can run for his life out of the country. He could be deported if red corner notice is issued through Interpol. All his assets will be seized in the interim.

Things take time. Besides V Raje would rather be seen doing it at the behest of centre rather than be called indulging in petty politics without concentrating of development agenda on which she was elected.

When the first domino falls will the formation of new Modi led government, the others will topple like a house of cards.

Let's not assign motives until things are clear. However, Raje should issue at least a cursory statement that investigations are progressing. Cooperation with adjoining states is requested but not forthcoming or something on those lines.

Remember how Tejpal was allowed to keep a mobile phone in jail.

An RSS person told me that apart from Sangh Parivaar Organisations, RSS members are running 200,000 independent NGOs which are UNCONNECTED and UNFUNDED by RSS on personal efforts and personal funds. RSS has never asked these organizations till date to help BJP as they are apolitical but imagine MODI EFFECT which has forced these bodies to pitch in.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 28 Apr 2014 10:33

Packing off BDs is easier said than done and all of our options are terrible to non-existent. Congress/UPA made sure they become a permanent sore on India's @rse as one of their lasting gifts to the country. I truly appreciate Modi's assertions but the devil is in the details. Bangladesh will NEVER accept these people who according to them (and of course the UPA) are merely Muslim, Bengali/Sylheti-speaking citizens of India who miraculously appeared in Assam, Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore etc out of thin air. These people have more "proof" of their Indian citizenship than the average Indian, again thanks to the UPA and commies--ration card, PAN card, passport you name it. Locking them up in a camp will invite every human rights and religious rights group from Boston to Bhopal and from UN to NGOs of every color to hammer India and Modi. Not possible. Similarly, taking over a strip of land (preferably CHT) from BD will have to be a future project. Much as I hate it, the only practical solution is to detect them and then give them a special status with rights to work but not to vote, similar to GCs. Of course, UPA and commies must pay in a manner that their next 3 generations of progeny remember the damage they have done.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Apr 2014 10:35

They gotta merge ration card, aadhar, voter id, everything into one state based id.