Re: Indian Education System
Posted: 29 Mar 2016 12:03
very interesting indeed.
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Before that, we also need to completely revamp the syllabus of "Arts and Humanities" course itself *. We should move away from learning stuff like how many wives James I had, and when did the Third Crusade start etc. Today a Bachelor of Arts degree is considered by many as just an entry level criteria to apply for many government/PSU job.schinnas wrote:We do have an urgent need for Indic organizations to embrace Arts and Humanities education.
Mata Amritanandamay's university alone has 20,000 students and five campuses. I was there at its Coimbatore HQ last weekend, and the atmosphere is very dharmic. It was in fact ranked India's top private university by Times Higher Education of London this year.schinnas wrote:@Raja ram-ji,
There are several other Dharmic groups that are expanding their footprint in education. All Hindu spiritual leaders from Sri Sri Ravi Shankarji to Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev to Mata Amritanandamayi have elaborate school systems to universities (in case of Sri Sri and Mata Amritanandamayi). Some of them operate in franchise model where anyone with appropriate land and resources can start a Maharishi Vidya Mandir or Sri Sri Ravishankar Vidya Mandir, or Isha School but the fee structure, school management, teacher admission and training, etc., are taken over by TM movement or Art of Living with the school proponent maintaining hostels and good share of the revenue if any. These students are given a modern, truely secular and value based education with full exposure to Indian arts, history, culture and are taught Yoga, Pranayama and meditation. The teachers also are expected to practice yoga and meditation on a daily basis. Some of these schools organize bajans as well on various occasions. They are also exposed to the spiritual discourses and videos of the respective founders such as Sri Sri or Sadguru or Amritanandamayi ma.
The annual fee for undergraduate courses in Indian Institute of Technology colleges (IITs) will be hiked from Rs 90,000 to Rs 2 lakh from upcoming academic session, officials of ministry of human resource development (HRD) said on Thursday. The order to this effect is likely to be issued on Friday.
The decision comes just a day after HRD minister Smriti Irani said that students belonging to the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, and differently-abled categories will get a full tuition-fee waiver at all IITs. The general category students will get 0% interest free loan if they require.
Earlier, a proposal for a three-fold hike in annual fee of Indian Institute of Technology colleges -- from Rs 90,000 to Rs 3 lakh -- was approved by a panel last month, although the final decision needed the nod of HRD minister Smriti Irani. According to sources, the minister in her capacity as the chairperson decided to increase it to Rs. 2 lakh.
IITs have been trying to increase the fee for quite some time. The last meeting of the IIT Council held in October 2015 had taken up the issue but could not arrive at a consensus.
Another recommendation by the Standing Committee of IIT Council (SCIC) is the proposal of a new entrance examination conducted by the National Authority of Test (NAT) should be held from 2017. Final decision in this regard too rests with Irani, it is learnt.
Students of NITs will also pay an increased fee of Rs. 1.25 lakh per annum from this academic year, which was approved last year.
The popularity of ICSE among schools is dropping like a brick. Dozens of schools each year drop ICSE for CBSE or opt for international boards. CBSE is going very strong. ICSE is a gora operation but its days are numbered.Supratik wrote:One more EJ route are ICSE schools. We shouldn't have two national boards. The govt has no control over ICSE syllabus. The two boards should be merged.
“For many years, a group of parents has been harassing the school management. Our school fees are quite reasonable compared to nearby schools, yet they have been protesting even a marginal increase in fees. It has led to severe financial crunch.
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“In 2013-14, the school fee was hiked from Rs 8,000 to Rs 10,000. The next year, it became Rs 13,500. It is a hike of over 50 per cent in two years, which is illegal. {I think 13.5K is very reasonable fee by any standards}
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Another parent, Nazeer Saudagar, said one of his sons in second standard would be allowed to continue till fifth grade, but his younger son in senior KG in nearby branch of the school, who was promised Std I admission earlier, has now been asked to look elsewhere. “All other schools in vicinity are costly and annual fees are above Rs 40,000. I can afford the Rs 13,500 annual fee here. But they said they wont give next year’s admission,” he said.
Ah , Bade Mian.. Everyone knows who the REAL IITians are. When someone says New York, everyone knows that they are referring to the City and NOT the state.. Same same onree no ?Bade wrote:that PG student population is 60% of the IIT student population
This is good news. Thanks for posting. Some of those would be REAL IITians, i.e., if I understand vina correctly, people who did their bachelors in IIT and continued on to do their Ph.D. in IIT.Bade wrote:For your information the latest data shows, that PG student population is 60% of the IIT student population with a significant part being doctoral degrees in the hundreds each year.
Of course. But some of them do and that's what I said.Bheeshma wrote:Most IITians who do their Btech's in IIT's don't pursue PhD's in IIT.
This has been going on for the last few years. So what are all the students who didn't get their h1 doing? Are they returning to India/China or where ever?Singha wrote:The h1 circus this year got over around april9. 4:1 over booking ratio both in open and us higher studies buckets.
Despite potus increasing opt to 3 yrs many us ms/phd might not ever get into h1 at all.
One of our junior at work has got admission in uc irvine for 35 lacs first year fees and living expenses. Second yr he hopes to get assistantship. I have advised to go for phd or not at all.
All students are CPT and OPT. Only that STEM students get 2 years extension i.e. 3 years in Total so they get 3 shots at Visa Lottery, whereas non STEM only have 1 year OPT therefore only 1 shot at the lottery. Almost all the students who couldn't get through lottery have returned to India. Repaying huge student loans will be an uphill task them, considering each would have a minimum of 30-40 lakh.Vipul wrote:I know of lot of cases where the students have again taken admission for another Masters program which will give them access to CPT and/or OPT and then there are some who have applied for the Canadian residency. Some of them who are not so desperate and have made enough money on the OPT to repay the loans taken for education in the US have also returned back to India.
Sorry could not resist...like when someone says Hindu, it means Tambrahms onlee.....vina wrote:Ah , Bade Mian.. Everyone knows who the REAL IITians are. When someone says New York, everyone knows that they are referring to the City and NOT the state.. Same same onree no ?Bade wrote:that PG student population is 60% of the IIT student population
More than 40,000 IIT-Madras alumni are collectively estimated to have a 2014 revenue responsibility of $71 billion based on the median amount calculated from a recent survey.
A recent survey of IIT-Madras alumni by an alumnus of the 1973 graduating class, Dr Gopala Ganesh, has brought some insights into how post-graduation priorities have evolved over the decades from the 1960s. More than 2,000 alumni participated in the survey, making it one of the largest undertaken by any IIT.
About 30 per cent of IIT-Madras alumni are currently employed in core engineering; the percentage is significantly higher among those whose first degree is a post-graduate one. Of those that left core engineering, about a third are entrepreneurs, a quarter are in service industries, and another quarter are in education/ research.
The percentage of IIT-Madras graduates living abroad peaked at 40 per cent in the mid-70s to mid-90s batches, and has now dropped to 34 per cent post-2000. The drop is even more severe post-2010, down to the 20 per cent range.
Post-2005, there has been an uptick in IIT-Madras graduates opting for manufacturing professions, versus information technology & software.
M Tech students as a group account for the largest share of 2014 revenue when estimated using the median. When examined by decades of alumni, the 1986-1995 and 2006-2014 batches stand out when median-based estimates are examined.
When the 2014 budget responsibility is examined, the IIT-Madras alumni are estimated to account for $105 billion (median-based).
Alumni are estimated to have contributed a total of 3.6 million jobs based on the median, The Master’s degree holders outshine the B Techs. The batch of 1976-1985 does best when looking at the median-based estimate of job creation.
About 70 per cent of the total revenue responsibility, and 90 per cent of jobs creation by alumni leaders, is in India. Post-2006 alumni have the largest current presence in the social sector.
The mid-70s to mid-80s alumni have founded the most number of companies. Uniformly across batches, greater than 70 per cent of the companies are tech in nature. High revenue firms, defined as > $100 million per annum, are concentrated in the before-1976 and the mid-90s to mid-2000s alumni batches.
About 25 per cent of all alumni are currently in research& education, and 40 per cent have been there sometime. Of these, 20 per cent characterise themselves as being in leadership roles. Overall, 30 per cent of all alumni see themselves as leaders.
Nearly 25 per cent of alumni serve on Boards of Directors, and about 45 per cent have led a turn-around (half of them, more than one). About 40 per cent of alumni claim to have made a very high or high contribution to India. The percentage peaks for the pre-1976, and the mid-1990s to mid-2000s batches.
About 30 per cent of alumni claim very high or high contribution outside India, a number that peaks for the mid-70s to mid-90s batches. The preference for working in India has gone up in recent batches.
About 90 per cent of alumni rate the value of IIT-Madras education as very high or high, and this is fairly consistent across all batches.
Of the 1,228 respondents who completed the entire survey, 60 per cent were from India, 33 per cent from North America. Ninety per cent of respondents were male (comparable to their enrollment percentage), 50 per cent identified themselves as "middle class" and 47 per cent identified themselves as living in towns with a population more than one million.
Around 60 per cent identified their first IIT degree as a B Tech and the Electrical, Mechanical and Chemical Engineering disciplines accounted for 21 per cent , 18 per cent and 17 per cent of the respondents, respectively (consistent with enrollment trends). Around 35 per cent of the respondents graduated in the past 10 years.
--------As the Modi government approaches its second anniversary in office, it’s time to ask an increasingly obvious question. Is BJP alienating many of the vocal middle class supporters who helped power it to office?
On social media and email lists, as well as in person, once ardent fans now complain bitterly about the government. Unsurprisingly, their reasons span a wide spectrum – from government fiddling with provident fund rules, to the lack of privatisation, to flip-flops on Pakistan. But those chafing share a common grouse: that BJP appears tone deaf to their particular concerns.
Arguably no issue illustrates this disconnect between politics and policy better than the failure to fix possibly UPA’s single worst law: the 2009 Right to Education Act. The Modi government’s inaction illustrates a deeper malaise in the party – a lack of original ideas, a weak bench of leaders, and an overreliance on bureaucrats. As one prominent BJP-leaning intellectual said to me in exasperation, “this is an IAS government supported from outside by BJP”.
On the face of it, amending RTE ought to have been high on Modi’s to-do list. Animus towards the law unites two disparate groups that broadly backed BJP two years ago.
For many market liberals, RTE symbolises Congress’s faith in heavy-handed, top-down policies that pay lip service to idealism while hurting precisely those people they are meant to help. For a small but strident group of Hindu activists, the law has become synonymous with India’s flawed brand of secularism, which hobbles Hindu-run institutions with debilitating regulations while cheerfully waiving them for those run by religious minorities.
According to Geeta Kingdon, a professor at the University of London, RTE is dragging Indian education backward. It emphasises inputs such as playgrounds and laboratories over learning outcomes. By outlawing detention of students before eighth grade, the law effectively delinks advancement from educational achievement. {The above criteria applies to Hindus managed schools. On top of this, the Hindu school owners should get NOC from nearby minority schools, its nothing by pure blackmail and harassment of Hindus}
According to NGO Pratham’s highly regarded Annual Status of Education Report, between 2010 and 2014 the percentage of rural children in grade four capable of double-digit subtraction dropped from 58% to 40%. Fourth-graders able to read a first grade text fell from 68% to 56%.
In effect, RTE has recreated the dreaded licence-permit raj in education. School administrators need to worry more about pleasing bureaucrats – who have the power to shut down schools for non-compliance with a list of onerous and often unrealistic requirements – than about attracting students by improving the quality of instruction.
Hardest hit have been small, private schools that educate poor students at affordable rates. The National Independent Schools Alliance estimates that more than 5,500 schools have been forced to close since the law came into effect six years ago. At least another 15,000 have been threatened with closure. Some schools survive only by paying inspectors to look the other way at their inability to meet rigid requirements such as a teacher-student ratio of 1 to 30 or a minimum bachelor of education qualification to teach sixth grade.
Thanks to India’s populist discourse, few politicians would risk a frontal assault on RTE for fear of being labelled “anti-education”. Instead, the Centre for Civil Society, a New Delhi-based thinktank, proposes a “Right to Learning” law that would emphasise actual learning outcomes for children rather than a disembodied vision of what a school ought to look like. A new approach could also include skilling for trades such as carpentry and welding to make graduating students more employable in the real world.
Ironically, Modi’s Gujarat was once widely praised for dodging the RTE bullet. Regulators in the state effectively turned the law upside down by assessing most of a school’s performance by how much its students learnt rather than by whether the school complied with a lengthy list of required inputs. Those leading the fight against RTE had naturally hoped that with Modi in charge India would embrace the Gujarat model.
Instead the government has appointed a five-person committee – four of them retired bureaucrats – to come up with a new education policy, due at the end of this month. Few experts who track this issue believe Modi will embrace the deep-rooted education reform India needs.
Unfortunately, this absence of policy nous reflects a pattern. Lacking the intellectual infrastructure to think through policies on its own, BJP often just toes the Congress line, even when this explicitly goes against the party’s own stand in opposition and outrages its supporters. Last year, Communications and Information Technology Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad backed UPA’s hated Article 66A curbing internet freedom. By initially baulking at One Rank One Pension for soldiers, the government needlessly upset another core group of supporters. The finance ministry lurches each month from one tax snafu to the next.
Nor is BJP exactly brimming with administrative talent. Few can match Smriti Irani’s eloquence as a party spokesperson. But, to put it gently, she has not exactly distinguished herself as minister for human resources development.
The political ramifications of this brush off to middle class supporters remains to be seen. Perhaps those who view politics through the prism of policy, rather than identity, simply lack the numbers to matter. Nonetheless, only a foolish party willfully alienates its most vocal and articulate backers. The sooner BJP gets off this bewildering path, the greater its odds of winning them back.