Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jun 2013 19:48

JamesB. you mean "Black Sheep" not "Black Swan" which denotes an extraordinary event.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Jun 2013 19:57

Congi problem is the fear what if Modi makes hat-trick in Delhi then what?? People may forget congis and a whole new set of babuz would have come in by that time in bottom and middle level and top would have turned over. They may become irrelevant and die-nasty would wither away taking the core of their power centre into oblivion.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 18 Jun 2013 22:35

Are there any figures on how much Muslim vote Modi got in Gujarat?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Jun 2013 22:45

Pratyush wrote:Plain speak from NaMo, some thing that people on the forum have been saying for some time.

BJP doesn't need allies which are against it, Modi tells Advani

It goes to Chanakyaniti. The big party cannot let itself be decimated by its allies large or small.
Case in point BJP got reduced to non-entity in Andhra Pradesh to placate CBN's TDP.

A conglomerate of pigmies will get scattered with one big swipe from the outside. There has to be a large core group with other allies to take the shock.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 19 Jun 2013 15:37

KJoishy wrote:Are there any figures on how much Muslim vote Modi got in Gujarat?

Upwards of 30% overall.
Also won over 6 of 8 seats where Muslims were in majority or could alone have made a difference to the outcome.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Jun 2013 15:44

In Bihar assembly, we hear more about Modi or Raj T. I don't think there is any other assembly which focusses more on other states' leaders. Today in Bihar assembly Nitish mocks at Gujarat development model. Bihar has a better model?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 19 Jun 2013 15:45

Does it even have a model ???

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Jun 2013 17:21

A strong caste-iron model

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 19 Jun 2013 17:56

krisna wrote:
KJoishy wrote:Are there any figures on how much Muslim vote Modi got in Gujarat?
Upwards of 30% overall.
Also won over 6 of 8 seats where Muslims were in majority or could alone have made a difference to the outcome.

And that too with Hindu candidates

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Jun 2013 22:16

Muppalla wrote:In Bihar assembly, we hear more about Modi or Raj T. I don't think there is any other assembly which focusses more on other states' leaders. Today in Bihar assembly Nitish mocks at Gujarat development model. Bihar has a better model?

The more Nitish mocks the Guj. "model"., the better. Lot of Biharis do work in Guj. and they see the result of Modi as CM. Just brings down NiKu several notches.

This is the problem., let us say I create sabarmati riverfront for 30 Cr. A visitor from Delhi comes and realizes immediately that Yamuna River front could be more grand, more better but never thought about., and even if thought about - big corruption comes in picture. Now in this what happens if Sheila Dixit comes and mocks sabarmati riverfront project?

For Aam bihari, it could be safety and opportunity. So let them mock more.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 20 Jun 2013 02:39

disha wrote:
Muppalla wrote:In Bihar assembly, we hear more about Modi or Raj T. I don't think there is any other assembly which focusses more on other states' leaders. Today in Bihar assembly Nitish mocks at Gujarat development model. Bihar has a better model?
The more Nitish mocks the Guj. "model"., the better. Lot of Biharis do work in Guj. and they see the result of Modi as CM. Just brings down NiKu several notches.

This is the problem., let us say I create sabarmati riverfront for 30 Cr. A visitor from Delhi comes and realizes immediately that Yamuna River front could be more grand, more better but never thought about., and even if thought about - big corruption comes in picture. Now in this what happens if Sheila Dixit comes and mocks sabarmati riverfront project?

For Aam bihari, it could be safety and opportunity. So let them mock more.

In my recent conversation on road infrastructure with a top leader who fought against Modi, he admits that Gujarat infrastructure and development has been going way ahead than other states.

Gujarat is self-sustaining model with competitive investments.
Bihar is center-reliant model with political investments.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 20 Jun 2013 04:51

disha wrote:
Muppalla wrote:In Bihar assembly, we hear more about Modi or Raj T. I don't think there is any other assembly which focusses more on other states' leaders. Today in Bihar assembly Nitish mocks at Gujarat development model. Bihar has a better model?
The more Nitish mocks the Guj. "model"., the better. Lot of Biharis do work in Guj. and they see the result of Modi as CM. Just brings down NiKu several notches.

This is the problem., let us say I create sabarmati riverfront for 30 Cr. A visitor from Delhi comes and realizes immediately that Yamuna River front could be more grand, more better but never thought about., and even if thought about - big corruption comes in picture. Now in this what happens if Sheila Dixit comes and mocks sabarmati riverfront project?

For Aam bihari, it could be safety and opportunity. So let them mock more.

"Hindu Hriday Samrat" has created wonders with sabarmathi Riverfront. The beneficiaries are the muslims who are the majority along these regions.

This defeats the very argument of NaMo against muslims. Muslims are more prosperous in Gujarat after 2002 than anytine in their history ironical considering NaMo and 2002 riots.

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NaMo has time and again said that development is truly secular(in as many words without usingt he that stupid term) that it transcends any grouping. It benefits all Indians.
Govt has no business to govenrn people(or groupings) only to follow constitution and implement law to govern the state.
Rest will follow itself to benefit everyone.

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congis do the opposite-- give largesse to some groups create competition for same pie- no governance- create vicious cycle of divide and rule.

congis supporters knowingly or unknowingly subscribe to this model-- same as britishers.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 21 Jun 2013 16:21

16:10 When Sonia Gandhi let fly at the DMK: Here's more on the Congress-DMK jugalbandi over Kanimozhi's Rajya Sabha election.

Sources say the DMK experienced Sonia Gandhi's wrath when its leader T R Baalu sought the Congress's five votes of Tamil Nadu MLAs for Kanimozhi to win her Rajya Sabha seat.

Apparently Sonia let fly, asking 'Who provoked the DMK to withdraw support to the UPA? And now who asked you to plead for five Congress MLAs' support? Is it politics that in six months you reverse your decision? The DMK used the Sri Lankan Tamil issue as a reason to walk out of UPA, and now you come and ask for five votes?'

Sonia's real anger, it seems, was made known to the DMK that day. And that she chose T R Baalu to vent her anger also showed that knew well that it was him who pushed M K Stalin to announce the DMK's pullout from UPA2.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 21 Jun 2013 17:07

krishnan wrote: Apparently Sonia let fly, asking 'Who provoked the DMK to withdraw support to the UPA? And now who asked you to plead for five Congress MLAs' support? Is it politics that in six months you reverse your decision? The DMK used the Sri Lankan Tamil issue as a reason to walk out of UPA, and now you come and ask for five votes?'

Sonia's real anger, it seems, was made known to the DMK that day. And that she chose T R Baalu to vent her anger also showed that knew well that it was him who pushed M K Stalin to announce the DMK's pullout from UPA2.

I think she is trying to get closer to AIADMK as that party is expected to get most of the seats in TN.

disha · Post by **disha** » 21 Jun 2013 22:01

a_bharat wrote:I think she is trying to get closer to AIADMK as that party is expected to get most of the seats in TN.

Just arrange a tea party with Sonia and JJ with Subramanium Swamy as the host and see the sparks fly.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Jun 2013 09:40

Not so easy. JJ knows that INC will not give any benifit to her. She will contest alone and will try to win 30/35 seats in 2014.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 24 Jun 2013 15:07

Rajasthan update :
Gehlot is trying his best to make a come back.
Not only he rained sops in his budget, he has been distributing lots of goodies even after that.
Both, the medicines and medical tests at govt. hospitals are free now.
Women will travel at 30% discount in Rajasthan roadways buses.
and so on ...

Regards,
Virendra

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 24 Jun 2013 19:35

JJ is not stupid. She has no love lost for cons party. At the same time she will not ally with bjp before the elections so as to keep her options open after. If bjp is close to majority and her help can bring them to form a govt, she will help them given her positive words about NaMo. She will extract her pound of flesh though and the bjp better be ready for her fickle nature and ability to cut and run on the slightest of pretexts.

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 24 Jun 2013 21:42

Congress is facing tough fight from BJP in Guwahati Municipal polls (GMC). Congress has won 9 seats, BJP has won 7 seats. Congress is leading in 7 seats and BJP is leading in 6 seats, Asom Gana Parishad (AGP) in one seats and others in one seat. Counting is expected to continue till midnight.

BJP's performance in the civic body polls have enthused the anti Gogoi camps who are tying for ousting the Gogoi who has been in helm of affairs of Assam since last 12 years and has not lost any major elections.

BJP's performance in last assembly polls held in 2011 was dismal, the party won five seats. In 2006, the party has won 10 seats, two more than 2001 tally.

BJP fights congress stoutly in GMC polls

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 24 Jun 2013 21:51

https://twitter.com/Dr_Jeet_Gandhi @Dr_Jeet_Gandhi: BJP 14 from 0 Congress 17 from 30

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 24 Jun 2013 22:18

jimmyray wrote:https://twitter.com/Dr_Jeet_Gandhi @Dr_Jeet_Gandhi: BJP 14 from 0 Congress 17 from 30

Please note this is pre Modi era, so at least all those who say "what has BJP done" can take this recent data point since they seem to forget anything before 2009.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Jun 2013 22:55

Sanku wrote:
jimmyray wrote:https://twitter.com/Dr_Jeet_Gandhi @Dr_Jeet_Gandhi: BJP 14 from 0 Congress 17 from 30
Please note this is pre Modi era, so at least all those who say "what has BJP done" can take this recent data point since they seem to forget anything before 2009.

For all practical purposes this is all Modi era election

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Jun 2013 23:06

Muppalla wrote:
For all practical purposes this is all Modi era election

Exactly, if you want to see modi effect, then see how BJP performed in Guwahati in the assembly elections held in 2011. They tanked big time. In the entire Kamrup/Kamrup Metro District under which Guwahati is located, BJP lost all seats. Was 3rd or even lower in most seats except urban guwahati seats where they were a distant 2nd.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jun 2013 23:20

Muppalla, This to and fro doesnt add to the discussion and adds noise to bandwidth not to mention builds rancour.

Thanks, ramana

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2013 00:28

I think INC wants to boil Telangana again:

Telangana Agitation:Committed Cadre hijacked by Corrupt Politics

Note its from IBN.

T.Veer raghav,

Hyderabad under siege! Telengana Erupts! And so the headlines have screamed for the last three and half years. Planted rumours often surface in Delhi that a decision is about to be made. We have waited, speculated and reported but, nothing has moved forward. That cold December night of 2009 which brought the then home minister out of hibernation to make a midnight declaration has now been buried in the heat that has simmered since.

A few days ago I had a long chat, over a meagre dinner, with a well known academic from the Telengana region. His limited point was that this time, unlike in the past, an overwhelming majority of people in the region are convinced and committed to a separate state. He drew a comparison to the 1969 Telengana agitation led by the late Chenna Reddy. His argument was that in the 1969 agitation the politician was at the forefront but, the people were not entirely convinced. The last three and a half years though the story is different. The entire Telengana population seems to be convinced about separation but, the political leadership suffers a huge credibility crisis.

The Telengana region, as it stands today, was ruled by the erstwhile Nizam and the rest of what is AP was ruled by the British. As in most cases in India the region ruled by the British had better administration and the princely state had development revolved around the capital, in this case Hyderabad. The building of 'anaicuts' on the Godavari and Krishna, in the late 18th century, further led to the growth of the North and South coastal Andhra regions. It also led to the rise of peasant castes like the Khammas. They were not traditional land lords like the Reddys and their growth led to progressive and reformist movements. In fact, the unified communist party's leadership came from the coastal Andhra regions and it was they who dominated the leadership in Telengana as well. :Face Palm:

{Now the writer is blaming only on group from AP!!!}

Since Telengana was a princely state then the Congress had meagre influence. Gandhi for instance had never visited the region and it was the communists who led a militant movement. "Vishala Andhra' (unified Andhra) was an original demand of the communists and it is believed that Nehru himself was not keen on a merger of Telengana with the rest of the Telugu speaking areas. Nevertheless the merger happened in 1956 and since then there has been a demand for separation. So the case in point is that the movement or the agitation is not new and more importantly, separation alone may not be a solution to the economic woes of the people. The question is why it became the complete and strong will of the people to separate after five decades of unity.

{So if the Kamma led Communists wanted Vishala Andhra and Congress had no foothold in Telangana, and Kammas were new landlords on both sides of the divide, why was there a demand for separation? Was it the Congress backing some of the separatists covertly from the begining?}

To turn economic circumstances into such an emotive and bitter political demand is largely the result of political mishandling. In 2009 when the demand re-erupted, with a 'march of million' threat and KCR's fast, there is a sense that the entire population of the region may not have been so strongly in favour of it. What happens after is more a strong feeling of betrayal. The fact that the centre announced a move and then went back had resulted enormously in the population feeling cheated and separation sentiment solidifying and erupting. Given that the people were convinced by their circumstances they also form a ready platform for conniving political groups to build their agendas.

{So anti-saffron only.}

One of the main features of the last three and a half years is the way in which money has flowed in the name of the movement. The TRS's first family is alleged to have made a fortune and some reports indicate that there's even a clear demarcation within the family on who gets paid from which sector. The factories pay a particular member of the family; the film world pays another and so on. It would be easy for anyone following AP to decipher who the members of the family are. Since, I do not have conclusive proof I am stating these as just mere allegations. But, I must state that the general perception is that the TRS is corrupt.

The malice gets deeper as we probe the Telengana student. Political parties are corrupt and so it is not surprising when they make money. The disheartening thought is to see young students turning corrupt over an issue that is so intensely emotional to the population. Several small student leaders have been thrown up during the course of the agitation and I am sure some of them are genuinely committed. But, the more you meet a stereotype student leader with a Bolero, Scorpio or Innova the more you begin to question the altruism of their intent. The reality is several of them have been corrupted by the political leadership. They have been given large sums of money to galvanize crowds and the moment they start taking the money they become slaves of a political agenda.

{They have the model of S. Jaipal Reddy and T. Mallikarjun, the eternal Medical college student, for examples who were promoted by Congress.}

Renowned activist-academic Prof. Hargopal had recently written an open letter to the students and as he lamented the flow of money he also pointed out that till the student leaders showed integrity they would have no moral authority to seek a Telengana. It is true of the political leadership as well. The TRS leadership has often camped in Delhi ostensibly on the Telengana cause but, allegedly to curry favours from the centre. The image of the TRS evokes no semblance of integrity and it's just another Indian political part which makes it a weak negotiator not worth trusting.

The irony of the situation is that the Joint Action committee (of which the TRS is a part) is the genuine leader of the movement. But, unfortunately in New Delhi's view point this has become a political dispute to be sorted between the recognised political forces. The JAC is not the key negotiator instead, that role has been hijacked by KCR and his family. This has been a key reason behind the failure of the movement to get tangible results, commitments and implementation from the centre.

The congress for its part has been callous and only added to the corruption. One source told me many months ago that the party's two 'top leaders' had asked two MPs from the state, one from Telengana and the other from south coastal AP, to create unrest and agitations on either side. The irony is that it caught itself in the midst of the two. While the agitation was spontaneous to a degree it has been turned into an orchestrated affair by the leadership over the last three years.

As we head toward s the 2014 elections there is still speculation over which way the decision will go. Sooner or later Telengana will become a reality but, that is because the will of the people of the region seems so strong. The thought that worries most observers though is who will lead the region? Given the corrupt nature of the present set of political leaders, it may be time the JAC consolidated behind a new set of leaders. It may be time to show that consolidation electorally and stop the movement from being a mere pawn to build political fortunes for a select few.

{This is statement of intent to contest in elections. If they do that theyn they will become like the TRS and accept hafta and cheat the people again.}

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2013 01:54

Looks like CBN of TDP took the Modi approach Uttar Khand floods:

All Hindu reports:

Naidu steals march on AP Govt. Charters plane to rescue pilgrims

Does a Modi by chartering a plane to airlift stranded pilgrims from AP

Telugu Desam president N. Chandrababu Naidu on Monday chartered a flight to airlift Andhra Pradesh pilgrims who were rescued from the flood-ravaged areas of Uttarakhand, in a move widely perceived as political one upmanship and an attempt to embarrass the Congress government.

By emulating Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi in facilitating speedy return of at least some distraught pilgrims to Hyderabad from Dehradun, Mr. Naidu appears to have scored a political point as the Congress government was still relying on a long train journey back home.

On Sunday, a Minister had promised to consult the Chief Minister, N. Kiran Kumar Reddy, on airlifting the fatigued passengers but apparently no decision was taken till Monday evening.

Meets Uttarakhand CM

The TDP chief, who returned from the U.S. on Sunday morning, pipped the Congress to the post in other areas too. Without wasting time, he rushed to Delhi to console the rescued pilgrims at AP Bhavan, participated in a flash ‘dharna’ to highlight their plight and then air-dashed to Dehradun to meet the Uttarakhand Chief Minister, Vijay Bahuguna. His appeal to Mr. Bahuguna was to come to the rescue of pilgrims who continued to be stranded. Accompanied by party MPs, he also called on another batch of AP pilgrims being treated at a hospital there.

Lokesh plea

Before meeting Mr. Bahuguna, he shot off a letter to him alleging discrimination in airlifting of 400 AP pilgrims stranded at Harsil near Gangotri.

Though they were given tokens they were being bypassed and those from other states were being airlifted. Forty other pilgrims who were taking shelter in Andhra Ashram at Rishikesh have not received any relief, he complained. The TDP president then made party to launch help centres and dedicated helplines for the pilgrims. But the party’s attempt to set up a health camp at AP Bhavan was not allowed by the government.

While Mr. Naidu was busy in Delhi and Dehradun, his son, Lokesh, trustee of the NTR Memorial Trust, described the floods in Uttarakhand as “worst natural disaster” and made an appeal to philanthropists, corporates and individuals to donate in the form of cheques and DDs in favour of the trust.

To which we have this

Naidu Stop politicising Uttar Khand floods says B Satyanarayana

Why did the TDP chief prefer to stay in the US for 10 days when India faced a calamity, asks B. Satyanarayana

The Congress on Monday lashed out at Telugu Desam Party president N. Chandrababu Naidu for politicising the Uttarakhand floods to derive mileage.

A day after Mr. Naidu on his return from visit to US staged a dharna at A.P. Bhavan accusing the State Government of failure to provide relief to the evacuated pilgrims, PCC chief Botcha Satyanarayana hit back at the TDP chief. “In this hour of tragedy, it was Mr. Naidu’s duty to cooperate in improving facilities for the evacuated pilgrims. Instead, he is blaming the government, which was the first to despatch a team of officials to Dehradun to coordinate relief work,” he said.

{Nadiu hired a plane to evacuate some of the pilgrims while his Minister was waiting for KKR to give permission to hire plane! So he did more than the COngress govt inpower in AP.}

Mr. Satyanarayana wondered as to why the TDP president was creating a ruckus, when he did not bother to know about the situation in India but preferred to stay in the US for 10 days. “He has now realised that the TDP has lost sufficient ground as it failed to react to the crisis. To cover up this lapse, he is indulging in protest demonstrations,” he added.

The PCC chief backed Chief Minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy, saying there was no delay on the part of the government in reacting to the situation. “It is a fact that hundreds of pilgrims, who had been stranded in Uttarakhand have been brought back safely to New Delhi and sent to their natives places at government cost. How can the TDP say no help was extended?” he asked. Labour Minister Danam Nagender, who was deputed to Dehradun by the Chief Minister to oversee relief operations, said but for the role of Special Officer Sanjay Kumar and A.P. Bhavan Resident Commissioner Shashank Goel, many pilgrims would have been left in the lurch. “The A.P. Bhavan officials and the special teams in Dehradun, Haridwar and Rishikesh worked round-the-clock to help the evacuated pilgrims,” he said.

Not AP Bhavan is in New Delhi. So how can it give help in Uttar Khand?}

This idiot thinks Naidu runs the AP govt!
BTW he was in constant oppositon to the AP CM Kiran Kumar Reddy.
So can be forgiven for thinking Naidu is the CM!

Govt mull airlifting pilgrims

Mulling!!!

The State government is exploring the possibility of airlifting the evacuated pilgrims of Char Dham yatra from Uttarakhand directly to Hyderabad by special flights.

The AP government could emulate Gujarat and Tamil Nadu, which arranged chartered flights from Dehradun to their respective States to carry pilgrims. The AP government has managed to arrange one helicopter to evacuate the stranded pilgrims in different parts of Uttarakhand.

{Another report says even that helicopter is idle!}

Civil Supplies Minister D. Sridhar Babu, who is stationed in Dehradun supervising the relief and rescue operations for the AP pilgrims, when contacted by The Hindu, said: “I will talk to the Chief Minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy and see if we could arrange special flights to send the pilgrims directly to Hyderabad.” Air India has already announced discounted fares for the pilgrims travelling from Dehradun to New Delhi. It has expressed its willingness to operate special flights to different parts of the country from Dehradun to help the stranded pilgrims.

On the rescue operations, there was little headway as bad weather hampered evacuation of stranded pilgrims. Mr. Sridhar Babu said till Sunday afternoon, helicopters could not fly to Kedarnath and other worst affected areas. Instead, the Defence helicopters airlifted stranded pilgrims from Badrinath to Guptkashi, Uttarkashi and Joshimath.

The Minister said that Uttarakhand administration had informed him that 100 persons including those from Andhra Pradesh were waiting to be evacuated. Special buses are being arranged at all the helipads and airbases to transport State pilgrims to New Delhi.

Information from AP Bhavan said that 250 pilgrims were sent to their respective places by Hyderabad and Vijayawada bound trains on Sunday. Those arriving at New Delhi are being paid Rs. 2,000 as immediate relief to purchase clothes and to meet other incidental expenses. A special train will leave Haridwar on Monday for Hyderabad. Earlier in the day, the Chief Minister spoke to his Uttarakhand counterpart Vijay Bahuguna requesting him to extend all help to the AP pilgrims.

Looks like Kedarnath floods have wide area fallout in all the states in India due to lack or proactive support to the victims.

The big picture is INC doesn't want Bahuguna undermined by their own party mates from other states. However it will lead to the defeat of those minions who don't show pro-active leadership.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Jun 2013 02:29

pretty stark contrast--

non congi ruled states- as in TN and Guj showed the work on ground- not much talk
congis have not done enough despite having everything at their disposal including GOI and its agencies at its service.
Mostly congis have done is politicise all the good work done by non congis in parochial terms.
paid media has been its usual role all along.

Kureel cartoons in Niticentral are apt in this regard.

sadly we also have resident posters without checking , creating some noise

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jun 2013 03:45

Will rupee fall call for early elections?
Its now above Rs 60 to a $ (which is heavily devalued so far) and no end in sight.
What happened to MMS the economist PM and his dream budget Finance Mister?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Jun 2013 03:56

ramana wrote:Will rupee fall call for early elections?
Its now above Rs 60 to a $ (which is heavily devalued so far) and no end in sight.
What happened to MMS the economist PM and his dream budget Finance Mister?

They are sitting together comfortably in North Block sipping chai and exchanging pleasantries.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jun 2013 04:13

From Live Mint:

Updated: Wed, Jun 26 2013. 08 21 PM IST
The rupee has touched another low against the US dollar. Here is one simple way to understand what has gone wrong.
Any currency is used to purchase things. High inflation has ensured that the rupee has already lost value in terms of what it can buy within India. The declining international value of the currency is a mirror image of this. A weak rupee can no longer buy as much abroad as it once used to. The loss of local purchasing power and the loss of global purchasing power are, in a way, two sides of the same coin.
So the underlying problem is high inflation, which has pushed up the cost of Indian products in global markets leading to a massive trade deficit. The rupee needs to fall if India is to maintain its global competitiveness. The more long-term challenge is to bring down inflation, the roots of which lie in the reckless economic policy that has pushed up consumption with high fiscal deficits, while killing

So what happend to cherub smiling about inflation not a problem just a few months back?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Jun 2013 06:31

Sure blame consumption which per capita is n times lower than middle income nations

Introduce more high taxes to punish the consumer

Say nothing about huge supply side and infra failures and big dole schemes

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Jun 2013 07:25

Re will soon hit 65 and the middle class will be squeezed. But still the enemy will be Modi and not the ones causing these problems.

Moreover, even if Modi wins elections of 14. He is going to bea one term wonder. As he will be forced bh Indian economic circumstances to take difficult decisions. Leading to a fall in popularity, causeing loss of 2019 elections. With another 10 years of INC.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Jun 2013 07:32

the republicans had setup the same trap for Obama, but their candidates were so uninspiring it imploded. not so in india - the one thing constant with death and taxes is another member of the dynasty in spotless white kurta waiting to pounce on the throne.

dynasty wants people of any capability to leave the country, get out , the whole country be a vast dark slum (like mordor), with the biggest slum lord mafia being the orcs and uruk-hai enforcers (local leaders) all paying tribute and being scanned by the "high command" eye of sauron in the dark tower.

this horde will not just have to be routed in open battle like the good king theoden did infront of minas tirith (lost his life though) but the 'key' to their power has to be found and burnt in the flames of mount doom. the orcs will have to disband and chased out of the realm totally.

a tall order.

"form ranks, you maggots! investigative agencies in front, MSM in the back"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnqZcmWk8U

the forces are on the march, to kurukshetra for the deciding battle!

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 Jun 2013 09:12

Pratyush wrote:Re will soon hit 65 and the middle class will be squeezed. But still the enemy will be Modi and not the ones causing these problems.

Moreover, even if Modi wins elections of 14. He is going to bea one term wonder. As he will be forced bh Indian economic circumstances to take difficult decisions. Leading to a fall in popularity, causeing loss of 2019 elections. With another 10 years of INC.

Remember the Indrashakti theory, Sir. I have been saying this time and again.

Save NM. They will form govt in 2017. BJP should not form the govt now. This is what I have being saying. Karna has summoned the Indrashakti, saar. Let ghatotkacha take the hit and fall on kauravas. Save Arjuna. Let people attribute the responsibility of this mess firmly at the feet of INC. Let NM emerge as rescuer and as a part of solution in public psyche. Right now he seen as a repairman or Mr Fixit. India wants a solution to the problem, not temporary fixes. For that NM will require a solid majority for atleast two terms back to back.

disha · Post by **disha** » 27 Jun 2013 09:29

Atri wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Re will soon hit 65 and the middle class will be squeezed. But still the enemy will be Modi and not the ones causing these problems.

Moreover, even if Modi wins elections of 14. He is going to bea one term wonder. As he will be forced bh Indian economic circumstances to take difficult decisions. Leading to a fall in popularity, causeing loss of 2019 elections. With another 10 years of INC.
Remember the Indrashakti theory, Sir. I have been saying this time and again.

Save NM. They will form govt in 2017. BJP should not form the govt now. This is what I have being saying. Karna has summoned the Indrashakti, saar. Let ghatotkacha take the hit and fall on kauravas. Save Arjuna. Let people attribute the responsibility of this mess firmly at the feet of INC. Let NM emerge as rescuer and as a part of solution in public psyche. Right now he seen as a repairman or Mr Fixit. India wants a solution to the problem, not temporary fixes. For that NM will require a solid majority for atleast two terms back to back.

There is always gloom and doom and indrashakti and all that. What happens if Indrashakti falls in the next year itself - right before election and that will be a turning point for Indian economy?

Indian economy can be turned around in 2 years., currently the issue is more to do with mis-governance rather than anything underlying the economy. It is not Japan where the population is ageing and it is not China where the infrastructure boom is tapering off. Indian economy by itself has enough oomph to grow at 8% gdp for the next 10 years.

Problem with above scenario is that 2017 may not be the year., people's mood could have shifted. 5 years is a very long time. 2019 need not be 2004.

Bottomline if BJP gets @180., it can choose to remain in opposition. If it gets 220+, then it should go for it. Economy is not the Indrashakti., it is the various political outfits which need to really be defeated., that is India should move towards a dual party system (defacto) with the third/fourth front reduced to an equidistant but a very smaller pole.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 Jun 2013 09:41

Yes of course disha ji. It is dynamic. The timeline is not cast in stone. If economy goes bust in next six months and most of people understand that we are truely screwed by INC, NM will and should come out. People should understand and accept that it will require a long era of fundamental, tough and slow reforms and not quick fixes.

2017 is only the most probable time by which things will clearly dawn upon people. If earlier, I will be happiest. I stated that date given the inertia of hindus.

disha · Post by **disha** » 27 Jun 2013 12:33

In 2002 Modi was brought in., and in 2007 everybody felt - this time he will go. Several felt that he wants to work but the "system" will "hang" him. In 2007, he came out on tops., and 2012 is history - 2/3rd majority in one of the most vicious campaign against him.

If Modi comes and destroys C-System for good., that itself is a big boon for India. Anyway, why the vicious resistance is that the established system knows that they will be gone for long political sanyas as in Gujarat.

One can also argue that if a 3rd/4th front comes., people's memory being short will go back to Congress - like in 1989/2001. Currently BJP has a great crop of leaders., pushing Modi to the top and if he stays there for 10 years and gives space to others after that., the C-System is practically destroyed. With no mass leader coming from Congress in next 10-15 years., Congress will be truly destroyed. And this is the fear that is driving them to viciousness., they know it is their last stand.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 27 Jun 2013 12:45

Pratyush wrote:Re will soon hit 65 and the middle class will be squeezed. But still the enemy will be Modi and not the ones causing these problems.

Moreover, even if Modi wins elections of 14. He is going to bea one term wonder. As he will be forced bh Indian economic circumstances to take difficult decisions. Leading to a fall in popularity, causeing loss of 2019 elections. With another 10 years of INC.

He will do what he must for the sake of the economy. However, he WILL dismantle Gandhi controlled machinery in India. 100%. This is possible only IF he is given a chance.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 Jun 2013 12:48

Yesthisis ideal scenario. You assuming that BJP will come back to power in 2019 elections inherently carries a rider that ppl accept that he will have to take very tough steps.

1. Article370 has to go.
2. NREGA has to go
3. POTA has to come
4. Food security bill has to be stopped.
5. Cleansing and subsequent autonomous character of CBI granted. Subsequent cleansing of c-system.
6. UCC
7. Federalization of Indian power.

All these mesures will be causing some deal of resentment. Couple that with global economic crisis and increased terrorism. The public has to be mobilized and convinced enough to stay with BJP in spite of certain trmporary inconveniences. For that I feel public needs to be tremendously pissed. And public is not pissed enough. If it happenes prior to 2014 elections excellent I say. I am only sleptical of that happening in mext 7 months because this particularly good monsoon. It will bring about relief to people. Had this been a december, I would have hoped that what I think would happen in 2016-17 would happen in this election.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 Jun 2013 13:00

panduranghari wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Re will soon hit 65 and the middle class will be squeezed. But still the enemy will be Modi and not the ones causing these problems.

Moreover, even if Modi wins elections of 14. He is going to bea one term wonder. As he will be forced bh Indian economic circumstances to take difficult decisions. Leading to a fall in popularity, causeing loss of 2019 elections. With another 10 years of INC.
He will do what he must for the sake of the economy. However, he WILL dismantle Gandhi controlled machinery in India. 100%. This is possible only IF he is given a chance.

A new system has to be built in parallel and immediately. Hence talk of minimum two terms. More the
Merrier.

Real power lies in trade unions, student unions, gram panchayats, cooperative banks and industries, zila parishds, panchayat samitis, farmer unions and local body elections. Congress has tremendous goodwill there. They are the ones who implement and execute. Modi could pull off great work in GJ because of the fact that BJP rules until gram panchayat levels. BJP should focus on winni g gram panchayats in its core regions. This is how they lost their hold in Mahararstra. In apite of being one the H-waadi state in India. Just like marathas, they got tooqmbitious too quickly and lept for delhi without consolidating the power sharing down to GP levels. Modi is result of decades of hard work. Modi is the crown jewel of that effort.

I wish BjP is working on this. They are not in MH atleast. Hence even if they win some more seats in MH due to rampant anti-congress environment, they won't be able to do much. And MH provides 48 seats. I will be surprised if they can win 10-12 seats in 2019 elections, given the state of affairs.