Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[vivek.rao]

This is definitely CON scums/AAP scums join operation. She is acting like she is entitled to the throne like Gandoo family does.

Stop using using your son's death so shamelessly

[Chandragupta]

Can anyone make her write this stuff :

"Even if my son's name comes up, isn't it my right?"

"Mr Modi, if you really care for the army and respect martyrs, a soldier's family for you should be like God. If I were in your place, I would have withdrawn the BJP candidate who is running against me."

Too many 'my' and 'me' 's give away the intent of the letter. My son, my right, my candidature, my election. Such behaviour is extremely unbecoming the mother of Capt. Batra.

[sudarshan]

Just yesterday an article on RSS work in Arunachal Pradesh floated by in my feed. Will post if I am able to locate it.
OK here it is.

X-posted in Reverse Inculturation Thread - hope you don't mind.

[pankajs]

Not at all! You don't even need to ask saar.
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For some folks every step is agni pareeksha. Modi is one such person. Hope he has the inner strength to bear it all and stay positive.

dreamthatworks tarun 1h
Offended by Modis invoking Vikram Batra? #Modi visited Kargil Heroes when he was a common Man! #AAPKeSharabi #KKRvsRR pic.twitter.com/34vqujcRAa

[pankajs]

Amit Malviya ‏@malviyamit 1h

Have you watched #NaMo's interview on Zee TV ? http://zeenews.india.com/videos/exclusi ... 29874.html … If not, watch it now !

[Karan M]

LOLOLOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlHCbWTOFl0

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[pankajs]

Sunanda Vashisht ‏@sunandavashisht 16h

During UP Elections it was Sheela Bhatt who noticed PriyankaVadra's slim figure &flawless European skin tone.This time it is Rasheeda Bhagat

[Mort Walker]

^^^I don't expect local people to buy into her arguments. They will react the very same way people are on BRF - that she is using her son's martyrdom to ask for votes. While her loss as a mother cannot be even measured in any terms, it does not automatically make her a good political candidate.

That area has innumerable number of ex-servicemen and they will not take it kindly to the way her son's sacrifice is being used to ask for votes.

Someone needs to point out to the kind, but misguided, mother that AAP wanted to give away Kashmir to the jihadis and it would make the loss of her son meaningless.

[harbans]

She also assumes AAP represents the political choice of Capt Batra..i find that is not fair.

[Suraj]

It's a very bad idea to attack the lady, despite her arguably using the loss of her highly decorated soldier son to further her political ambitions. It's much more worthwhile to attack her party's stance on Cashmere and make them defend that, putting them in a corner.

[SaiK]

^yup.. and there was a rape on a lady as well that went by without any notice to SC, ECI, NGOs, etc, and even within minority reports!

just saying it in contrast.. that ij all

[IndraD]

That mother thinks AAP honored her by giving LS ticket? Then all shaheed's kith n kin w/o ticket await honor. lahori logic onlee

[ramana]

Looks like GOI revealed the names of 18 of the 26 account holders in Licthenstien They dont ring a bell. Why were tehy under such confidentiality till now?

Eighteen names and the trusts associated with them are: Mohan Manoj Dhupelia, Ambrish Manoj Dhupelia, Bhavya Dhupelia (now Bhavya S. Shanbag), Manoj Dhupelia, Rupal Dhupelia (all Ambrunova Trust reg. & Marline Management S.A), Hansmukh Ishwarlal Gandhi, Chintan Hansmukh Gandhi, Madhu Hansmukh Gandhi, Late Mirav H. Gandhi (all Manichi Trust reg.), Chandrakant Ishwarlal Gandhi, Rajesh Chandrakant Gandhi, Viraj Chandrakant Gandhi, Dhanalaxmi Chandrakant Gandhi (all Ruvisha Trust reg.), Arunkumar Ramniklal Mehta, Harshad Ramniklal Mehta (both Dainese Stiftung and Dryade Stiftung), K.M.Mammen (Webster Foundation), Arun Kochhar (Urvashi Foundation) and Ashok Jaipuria (Raj Foundation).

[vivek.rao]

I hear on Twitter that BJP took permission in Amethi for NaMo's rally. Any one can confirm?

[anjan]

As a matter of fact what SRoy says is true to a large extent ; .

Clearly you've never chanced upon one of those NDA Xth course mailing lists. Most people on BR are PSecs by that measure. Here's the thing though. All it indicates is the opinion of vocal people on that list. Same as your or SRoys opinion. I wager that the Armed Forces has the same spectrum of opinion as the rest of the population.

What is hilarious is when SRoy comes up with random generalizations and connects it to the economic status of officers and such. When challenged he moves targets from economic state to social status and then onto some cultural mumbo-jumbo. He has nothing more than a caricature to offer which has no connect to reality. Retired officers by and large live like any other middle class folk.(As rohitvats points out there are exceptions to this too of course) They therefore share similar opinions with the addition of issues like pension benefits and such. And like other middle class folk some will plump for the Congress and some for the AAP as well. And in my opinion that's a good things. More retired officers distributed across the political spectrum looking out for the interests of the services and their personnel is a good thing for the services and the country.

[disha]

It's a very bad idea to attack the lady, despite her arguably using the loss of her highly decorated soldier son to further her political ambitions. It's much more worthwhile to attack her party's stance on Cashmere and make them defend that, putting them in a corner.

Sir, I believe that you agree the lady *is* using the sacrifice of her son to further her political ambitions *and* deny others to use the same byline and further attacking whoever claims her son as "misusing" her son's name* - to score her political brownie points which is a very selfish and ulterior motive. And hence offensive.

What you are suggesting is that attacking the lady may result in self-maligning and instead will result in sympathy for her. That is a fair argument.

Now outside of BRF, there are supporters of that lady from the usual anti-hindu anti-India classes. What do you say to them? For them, the distinction of private life and public life is fluid - a private life of a public person who has to be villified for their own narrow gains is encroached upon with complete abandon and a public life of a public person (the lady in question) is out of bounds!

Also have to make one point clear - the grief of a mother on seeing her progeny die before her is always great. Whether the progeny is a 24 months old or a 24 year old. An aam rickshawallah or a highly decorated soldier - Do not tell me the grief of *this* mother is greater than the grief of *that* mother.

There is immense pride in every mother if the nation honours her son and makes him their and nations' son. The day Capt. Batra made his supreme sacrifice, that day he became the son of the nation. The nation wants every son to be like him and the nation does not want her sons to make the same sacrifice as well.

Point is, every Indian national has as much claim on Capt. Batra as her mother. There is no dis-honour in claiming Capt. Batra as one's son. Yeh Dil maange more Capt. Batras for the nation.

By insisting that others lay off their claim on Capt. Batra and denying others to be proud of Capt. Batra, his mother has sullied the very sacrifice her son made. I am crying for that.

[Karan M]

Strategically though, its a minefield to take on the lady. Nice one planted by Yogi Yadav but am sure NaMo and team are up to the task.

[disha]

Batra's mother has used her son's sacrifices for her own personal gain. She has sullied her son's sacrifices today.

Agree. Very disappointed with her. One would have expected her to have a strong sense of nationalism and joined BJP. Instead, she joined AAP, a truly anti-national, anti-army, anti-Hindu party, with strings being pulled from abroad to harm India. Worse, she takes potshots at Modi, giving ammunition to Cong and news channels who are now carrying prime time debates about how Modi is using Batra's sacrifice for political gain. Truly disgusting. She will squander away all the goodwill from the society if she continues like this. She has been very ill advised and looks like she got brainwashed by spin masters of AAP.

Sir, for the underlined part, I do not care if Capt. Batra's mom joins Congress or Communist or AAP.

My point is simple., even if she joined BJP & NaMo and if #Pappu said what Namo said and mother Batra raises an issue., I will support #Pappu.

[disha]

Strategically though, its a minefield to take on the lady. Nice one planted by Yogi Yadav but am sure NaMo and team are up to the task.

All the more reason that I have complete disgust and distaste of #AAPtards. Here they have sullen and abused a national icon for their political gain.

[ramana]

disha, Clam down.
And folks this is NaMo Thread and not AAP thread.
ramana

[Suraj]

disha, you're missing my point. I'm not discussing whether or not she is cynically using her son's memory. I'm pointing out that challenging her on that aspect is a dangerous minefield for a politician to step into. You and I have the liberty to do so, but the BJP must avoid it. Anyone is free to come to their own conclusions about her motives; they do not face any consequences of their doing so. On the other hand, the BJP *does* face consequences by attacking her.

My point is that Modi or the BJP should not respond to the mother, but attack the AAP's cashmere policy instead, and ask why a patriotic mother is associating with such charlatans. But the topic of whether or not she's misusing her son's memory for her own political gain is a very dangerous one for the BJP to take on publicly.

[ashish raval]

India Today ‏@IndiaToday 1h

Priyanka, Rahul sometimes appear to be twin sisters: Meenakshi Lekhi News Flash:http://goo.gl/vH4mnO

By god!

Omg, I had been telling this for ages to my family .

[Anantha]

The Diigi Video and other photos are all over twitter and Social media. The dog wont show his face for a few days

[Anantha]

Where was Khujli and Batra's mother when Azam Khan said Muslims won in kargil and not Hindus. At that time these people did not feel insulted? Wasnt her duty to come out and say Vikram Batra was a HIndu? It is a disgrace to martyrs like Batra. Also not Ms. Lehi's comment that BJP offered her a seat. Probably this lady thought it would be easier to win on a AAP wave, now she wants BJP to withdraw their candidate. I am unable to believe the amount of brain washing this AAP has done on gullible Indians to make them believe that they are the only honest guys in India.
Only release of a sting video with Khujli accepting money or dealing with some terrorist will change the mind of some of these morons

[Paul]

She could a very calculating person. WHen she accepted AAP ticket she most likely may have anticipates the extent of the NaMo wave. Now it is too late for her to chenge her decision and hence is taking refuge behind her celebrity martyr status.

[Saral]

I posted this long ago that it will be the Armed Forces officer population and their families, by and large, that will be mostly against BJP's cultural nationalism.

Interesting hypothesis. Given the cultural aspects and peer groups they are exposed to, right from training as a cadet, this may be plausible, at least for the officer class; the idea being that degree of westernization correlates negatively with acceptance of Indic perspectives/cultural nationalism. Negi's anecdotal support is hardly conclusive, but suggestive. Given that the alternative is so bad, I'd imagine that most will still go NaMo this round.

In the US, the military clearly trends Conservative/Republican and there is a bread-and-butter aspect to it; most military bases are in the south (Texas) which are heavily republican and most recruits also tend to come from such ideological backgrounds. So, when the Rajya Sabha MP (NaMo supporter) Rajeev Chandrasekhar was campaigning for active duty military to have the right to vote (I don't think it happened this round, will be effective in 2019), I thought it was a good move (non-officer cadre lean towards BJP?) that would favor BJP. Interesting to know what these kinds of attitudes are (across different types of public and private sector orgs) and how these attitudes will shift in the coming years.

[disha]

Looks like GOI revealed the names of 18 of the 26 account holders in Licthenstien They dont ring a bell. Why were tehy under such confidentiality till now?

Eighteen names and the trusts associated with them are: Mohan Manoj Dhupelia, Ambrish Manoj Dhupelia, Bhavya Dhupelia (now Bhavya S. Shanbag), Manoj Dhupelia, Rupal Dhupelia (all Ambrunova Trust reg. & Marline Management S.A), Hansmukh Ishwarlal Gandhi, Chintan Hansmukh Gandhi, Madhu Hansmukh Gandhi, Late Mirav H. Gandhi (all Manichi Trust reg.), Chandrakant Ishwarlal Gandhi, Rajesh Chandrakant Gandhi, Viraj Chandrakant Gandhi, Dhanalaxmi Chandrakant Gandhi (all Ruvisha Trust reg.), Arunkumar Ramniklal Mehta, Harshad Ramniklal Mehta (both Dainese Stiftung and Dryade Stiftung), K.M.Mammen (Webster Foundation), Arun Kochhar (Urvashi Foundation) and Ashok Jaipuria (Raj Foundation).

All of them look like Gujjus (Gujjus on this forum can confirm) and restricted to only 3-4 families., and could be small fry's to embarrass Gujarat Gov.

[disha]

disha, you're missing my point. I'm not discussing whether or not she is cynically using her son's memory. I'm pointing out that challenging her on that aspect is a dangerous minefield for a politician to step into. You and I have the liberty to do so, but the BJP must avoid it. Anyone is free to come to their own conclusions about her motives; they do not face any consequences of their doing so. On the other hand, the BJP *does* face consequences by attacking her.

My point is that Modi or the BJP should not respond to the mother, but attack the AAP's cashmere policy instead, and ask why a patriotic mother is associating with such charlatans. But the topic of whether or not she's misusing her son's memory for her own political gain is a very dangerous one for the BJP to take on publicly.

I totally and vehemently agree to *all* of the above except to the striked out part.

[Agnimitra]

To plaster AAPtards with:

Gujarat has lowest farmer suicide rate, and Kerala has the highest: UK study

Reinforcing claims of Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, a new study by researchers at the University of Cambridge and University College London reveals that the state has high levels of cash crops but lowest levels of farmer suicide rates in India.

The study, published in the journal Globalisation and Health, found that Kerala had the highest male suicide rate in India, and claims that there is a ‘suicide epidemic’ in marginalised areas of Indian agriculture that are at the mercy of global economics.

...Lead author Jonathan Kennedy told HT: “With regard to Gujarat there has obviously been some debate about how big the problem of farmers’ suicides is over the past weeks. Our research does not mean to say that farmers’ suicide is not a problem in Gujarat”.

...The analysis of 18 states found that the three states with the highest suicide rates are Kerala, Tamil Nadu, and Andhra Pradesh. The study says that suicide rates tend to be higher in states with greater economic disparity.

[Suraj]

I totally and vehemently agree to *all* of the above except to the striked out part.

Thanks for the detailed earlier response. However, that response is not a topic I want to discuss. My reasoning is that I don't want to question this woman's motives on the basis of the statements in the press on the basis of my own political preferences. She may have any number of reasons to say what she did. The press may not have quoted her exactly, or may have massaged it into the anti-BJP language by news traders. She may have said so explicitly, either emotionally without intending to misuse her son's memory, or otherwise. I don't know the specifics.

Regardless, even if she did say so verbatim, and even if she is misusing her son's memory for her own gain, I would prefer to keep quiet about her motives, and instead counsel that the BJP avoid taking on her directly on this matter as far as possible. There's no gain in doing so. If she continues with her tirade, she will lose sympathy on her own. Better to focus only on the jokers running the party whose ticket she accepted. Those jokers are fair game.

[bhavani]

Strategically though, its a minefield to take on the lady. Nice one planted by Yogi Yadav but am sure NaMo and team are up to the task.

It does not matter now. Too late in the game. Congress has become quite active in the last 4 days, But too late. I think AAP would die a painful death after elections. The foreign backers wont see any more benefit in keeping AAP alive and to fund it.

But one thing i see is a rise of left wing libtards forming groups under the cloak of Civil Society. We need a counter strategy to these vermin and we need a phalanx of right wing intellectuals and legitimize them with labels of think tanks. I am suggesting something on the lines of American right wing think tanks and right wing Civil rights groups.

Got to crush the JNU liberal groups and EJ liberal groups.

[Anantha]

http://www.thenewsminute.com/stories/Mu ... 2BAqkqx_9p
A well balanced article by Shahid Siddiqui on Modi and Vote bank Muslims. This is the same guy who was thrown out of namazwadi party, for interviewing Modi couple of years ago.

[Anantha]

Bhavani +1
We need a pro India think tank, post election
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

[Vayutuvan]

. The nation wants every son to be like him and the nation does not want her sons to make the same sacrifice as well.

AAP people want to sucker punch Modi. Giving away "pashmina shawl" to pakis will fit what you said above- in other word aman ki tamasha and the poor mother is being played by AAP sophists.

I wonder why she did not go to Modi and let her displeasure about the local BJP MLA known to him? He would have certainly listened to her, I presume.

Oh well looks like BJP offered her a ticket well nothing to say on this :slinking back with my fail between my legs:

[Vayutuvan]

Is priyanka Sarah palin of India? And raga who was that V
Of senior bush? Dan something.

[Anantha]

Dan "quixote" quayle

[Yagnasri]

Is priyanka Sarah palin of India? And raga who was that V
Of senior bush? Dan something.

Palin for all her faults is a self made person and her support comes due to her ideas and work. P.Vadra has no ideas (her husband has many) and done no work.
So stop insulting Ms. Palin.

[VinodTK]

Narendra Modi's electoral milestone: 437 rallies, 3 lakh km

NEW DELHI: This could well be part of a "believe it or not" series. BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi would have addressed 437 public rallies and will be covering three lakh km criss-crossing the country, since his first rally on September 15, 2013, after being named as the party's PM candidate, the party claimed on Tuesday.

The calculations are based on the number of rallies that are planned till May 10, when campaigning ends for the final round of the nine-phased elections to be held on May 12.

Modi would have undertaken the largest mass outreach in India's electoral history by travelling about 3 lakh km addressing public meetings in 25 states besides 1350 innovative 3D rallies, the party said.

The show started on September 15 last year with an ex-servicemen's rally in Rewari in Haryana and would continue till the evening of May 10.

Besides 437 public meetings, Modi would have addressed another 1350 rallies through 3D technology connecting cities across the country. Another 600 3D rallies are planned between May 1 and 10, according to party sources.

In addition, Modi has done 'chai pe charcha' (chat over tea) interactions during which he took questions from the common people.

Add to the list, 196 'Bharat Vijay' rallies and the road shows in Vadodara and Varanasi, the two constituencies from where he is contesting, the BJP leader's outreach programme would have totalled an astounding 5827 rallies, programmes and roadshows.

BJP describes the campaign as historic and unprecedented in its intensity and scale in addition to being innovative and precise.

Reflecting the importance of Uttar Pradesh to his electoral fortunes, Modi has addressed the largest number of rallies, eight, in this state followed by four in Karnataka, three in Bihar, two each in Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Assam and Odisha, besides one each in other states.

Between May 1 and 10, 41 'Bharat Vijay' rallies are scheduled in 5 states. In addition, some 600 3D rallies are planned during this period.

BJP spokesperson Meenakshi Lekhi said massive crowds, sometimes 4 lakh and above, had turned up at rallies, particularly in UP. In their view the October 27 rally in Patna, where bombs had gone off, is regarded as a landmark because Modi had not called it off despite the threat he had faced.

Use of technology has been one of the highlights of the Modi campaign and the 3D rallies through which the BJP leader connected with people in multiple places have been a big hit.

Modi has interacted with people on issues such as agriculture and women empowerment at the chats held across 4000 locations in 24 states in several rounds and, internationally, across 50 locations in 15 countries. Some 10 lakh people had participated in this innovative programme, the party said.

At a press briefing in the party headquarters, Lekhi said on Tuesday that the historic campaign undertaken by Modi was to convey the message of development and good governance. She said in his 'hunkar' rally in Patna Modi gave a message of peace and unity, saying that Hindus and Muslims should together fight poverty instead of fighting themselves.

[member_28352]

It appears that Modiji and his campaign team is a bit stressed and there have been quite a few unforced errors in the past few days.
1. Letter from mother of Capt Batra. BJP should simply have ignored the letter and issued a statement that since 1947 30000 Indian soldiers and officers have become shaheed defending their motherland and Kashmir from going to invaders. The AAP Party is anti national and wants to give up Kashmir to Pakistan and is insulting the nation and all these shaheed soldiers. Modiji should simply not have responded to the mother.
2. Personal attack of painting against Mamata. I think Modiji was illadvised in this. In addition he should have also stuck to mentioning deportation of illegal Bangladeshis and not brought up Odiya, Bihari stuff in the mixture. It appeared to many that in WB he was looking for the Odiya and Bihari vote and not the Bengali vote. Here too he was ill advised and not respectful of local sensitivities.
3. Indiscreet comments of Baba Ramdev. Given that there is a large SC population in Eastern UP this too was an unforced error.

[SaiK]

TOI reporting, fire in PMO, 6 fire tenders rushed.

mmm what documents are they burning!
so, we can confirm it is going to be modi sarkar then!

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TOI reporting, fire in PMO, 6 fire tenders rushed.

UPA must be losing to set fire to files in PMO.

Congress always does this.

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And now this:

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/cbi ... nted-files
CBI has disposed of 12,000 ‘unwanted’ files

Cleaning up the malkhanas was one of the agency's "focus areas" said a note sent by Sinha to the HoZs (heads of zones). According to the note, "urgent attention and concerted effort is required over the next three months, by the HoZs in their respective jurisdiction".

Subsequently, the HoZs were asked to complete the inspection and physical verification of all "case properties" (documents) in the malkhana by February 2014 so that "unnecessary" documents could be got rid of.

The instruction given to the HoZs further said, "These (steps) have been chosen as they are basic and essential to proper and correct working and record keeping in the CBI and are at times lost sight of in the quest to achieve targets."

Sources said that during a review meeting last month, some of the zones submitted their reports saying that 12,329 documents have been destroyed by them. The Bank Security &Fraud (BS&F) zone topped the list with 6,572 files, followed by the Delhi Zone, which disposed of 3,185 files. For the Lucknow Zone, the figure was 1,114. The Patna Zone did not find any document that it needed to destroy.

In the Chennai zone, an inspection of the malkhana resulted in the destruction of 231 "unrelied documents". The Bhopal Zone has partly conducted an inspection and disposed of 170 "unrelied documents". Sources said the AC Zone has disposed of 100 documents, while the Economic Offences Wing (I), 957 documents. The Hyderabad Zone, however, is yet to carry out an inspection of its malkhana.

WTF!!??
time for raising from the dead! come on folks, ask those generally nota and absentees to participate.