Iran News and Discussions

[Aditya_V]

where is this coming from? Last I heard it was kuwait air defenses that took out the f15s?

That has been changed, Centcom states a Kuwati FA18 fired AAMs to take down the 3 F15s

[Tanaji]

So what happened of the theory/claim that US weapons are so intelligent that they wont lock on to US pplanes?

[Tanaji]

What is the endgame of the Americans here? Keep bombing until there is a regime change? I somehow doubt that is how it will go…
Americans will run out of missiles and bombs before that happens. Iran can make Hormuz straits to be a very dangerous place for shopping and driving up costs longer than the Americans can bomb Tehran…

[V_Raman]

I am still amazed that Iran developed the Shahed drone system with their meagre resources and mighty Russia adopted it as well!

[Amber G.]

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Middle East conflict: UP village with roots of Khomeini bloodline in grief

KINTOOR (BARABANKI): In 1834, a Shia cleric named Sayed Ahmad Musavi Hindi left the village of Kintoor in what is now UP on a pilgrimage to Iran. He settled and raised a family there, creating a lineage that would shape Iran's sociopolitical destiny - first through the 1979 Islamic Revolution led by his great-grandson Ruhollah Khomeini, and then the latter's successor Khomeini, Ali Khamenei.
Almost two centuries since Musavi turned his back on Kintoor, this village around 4,000km from Tehran mourns Khamenei's killing last weekend like a death in the family....<snip>

[V_Raman]

IMO USA has cornered itself by saying it is only against the regime and that restricts their bombing surface area. This cannot be like Iraq. So interesting times ahead.

India Oil/LNG - they might need to find backup sources asap.

[drnayar]

IMO USA has cornered itself by saying it is only against the regime and that restricts their bombing surface area. This cannot be like Iraq. So interesting times ahead.

India Oil/LNG - they might need to find backup sources asap.

already talks about "boots on the ground" .. good luck with that..

[drnayar]

IMO USA has cornered itself by saying it is only against the regime and that restricts their bombing surface area. This cannot be like Iraq. So interesting times ahead.

India Oil/LNG - they might need to find backup sources asap.

From Russia with love

[Vayutuvan]

AI says:
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What is verified about Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh
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For the information of the forum members

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[Cyrano]

Anyone who has seen a topographical map of Iran and then wants to put boots on the ground is a bloody fool

[g.sarkar]

Anyone who has seen a topographical map of Iran and then wants to put boots on the ground is a bloody fool

Most Americans will not be able to point out Eyeran in a map.
Gautam

[S_Madhukar]

I am still amazed that Iran developed the Shahed drone system with their meagre resources and mighty Russia adopted it as well!

We build 80% Tejas, 25% Rustom/Tapas, 90% Nag, 99% Bofors and then import 100% of all of these tech when the alarm goes off because we have <100% !

[williams]

What is the endgame of the Americans here? Keep bombing until there is a regime change? I somehow doubt that is how it will go…
Americans will run out of missiles and bombs before that happens. Iran can make Hormuz straits to be a very dangerous place for shopping and driving up costs longer than the Americans can bomb Tehran…

My guess is they are trying to do a Syria. American money with Kurdish, Baluch (Perhaps even the Pakis) and few other parties blood n boots. Backed it up with chee eye A and blackwater type mercenaries. There will be air support launched from the gulf nations and USN battle groups. Make the American MIC happy and make some money in the side. Destroy Iran in the process and declare victory.

Current Iranian regime on the other hand is trying to increase the cost of trade and oil by disruptive strikes and run the Trump admin into a midterm loss. Just survive for now and then start the proxy shenanigans again.

The big losers as usual will be American taxpayers.

[Cain Marko]

Anyone who has seen a topographical map of Iran and then wants to put boots on the ground is a bloody fool

Not if the boots mostly come from Board of Peace types. Why do you think Asim Marshall is being given so much laddoos?

In the meanwhile they have got the kurds to attack in a ground offensive.

[Cain Marko]

where is this coming from? Last I heard it was kuwait air defenses that took out the f15s?

That has been changed, Centcom states a Kuwati FA18 fired AAMs to take down the 3 F15s

Koi link wink?

[V_Raman]

i dont think syria model will work here. iranians are a proud homegenous civilization and public dont want violence. it will fail to make headway.

[Lisa]

I think that only 60% of Iranians are actually Persians. Even Khomeini had Indian heritage and Khamenei's heritage is Azeri. IMHO far from Homogenous.

[V_Raman]

we are getting caught in western media echo chamber IMO.

[drnayar]

Not a fan of Chellaney but " Washington may see the torpedoing as legitimate wartime action against an enemy vessel, but from New Delhi’s vantage point it was an unfriendly act — one that undermined India’s diplomacy, its convening power and its claim to regional maritime leadership.

In one torpedo strike, American hard power has punctured India’s carefully cultivated soft power.

The U.S. torpedoing of the Iranian frigate IRIS Dena in India’s maritime backyard is more than a battlefield event; it is a strategic embarrassment for New Delhi. The ship had just participated in India’s flagship MILAN-2026 naval exercise, where, along with 18 other foreign warships, it sailed as a diplomatic guest of the Indian Navy.

By sinking a vessel returning from an Indian-hosted multilateral exercise, Washington effectively turned India’s maritime neighborhood into a war zone, raising uncomfortable questions about India’s authority in its own backyard.

In diplomatic terms, the strike violated the unwritten code of naval hospitality. Attacking a ship immediately after it leaves a host’s waters is widely seen as a slight to that host. The message to participating navies is stark: attending India’s exercises may not guarantee safety once they sail away.

The implications go deeper. Prime Minister Modi’s MAHASAGAR vision — positioning India as the Indian Ocean’s “preferred security partner” — rests on the idea that New Delhi can convene cooperation and maintain stability in the region. The U.S. strike shattered that image by demonstrating that a distant power can employ lethal force in India’s maritime backyard without coordination.

Worse, the attack occurred near Sri Lanka, just south of India’s maritime boundary, precisely the space India hopes to keep insulated from Middle Eastern wars. Instead, the Indian Ocean suddenly looks like an extension of that conflict."

https://x.com/Chellaney/status/2029231080105230528

[drnayar]

IRIS Dena was a ~1,500-ton Moudge-class frigate & let’s be clear about capabilities.

This was a lightly equipped surface combatant with basic hull-mounted sonar, no towed array, limited ASW envelope, and certainly not designed to counter a modern nuclear attack submarine operating at advantage.

If a Virginia-class submarine is engaging from telescopic depth and decides to launch a torpedo, the engagement is already asymmetric. The surface ship is reacting late if at all.

The video shows no visible defensive manoeuvres, no hard turns, no decoy deployment which strongly suggests the crew was not expecting an engagement.

Sinking a ship that is afloat, unaware, and technologically outmatched is not some extraordinary feat of naval brilliance. It is what happens when one side controls the underwater battlespace and the other lacks layered anti-submarine warfare capability.

Claims of dramatic “first hit” superiority sound impressive but to anyone who understands naval warfare, this was a mismatch from the start.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/2029270867625295960

Despite there being no threat of any kind, the US submarine sailed away with no attempt to pick up survivors, leaving them to drown.

Breaking the first and holiest unwritten law amongst mariners.

https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/2029252398686830599

[Lisa]

Lets keep a focus.

Her name was Mona Mahmudnizhad. She was 17 years old when she was the last of 9 women hung for refusing to convert by this regime. She waited for her turn as they hung the others one by one first. They executed children!

This is an EVIL regime that deserves no quarter. They have no rules and we are now debating how their lives could have been spared!

For those who want to listen,

https://x.com/MichelleMaxwell/status/20 ... 4247406897

Remember her name.

[Cain Marko]

Not a fan of Chellaney but " Washington may see the torpedoing as legitimate
....
https://x.com/Chellaney/status/2029231080105230528

Seems like India knew it and happily allowed it. This is the whole I2U2 and IMEC thing playing out. There's a reason Modi met Bibi a day before the war broke out. Note also the hasty meeting with mbz. Note also the lack of any dissonant commentary by the MEA and the recent seizure of Iranian tankers..

[williams]

Not a fan of Chellaney but " Washington may see the torpedoing as legitimate wartime action against an enemy vessel, but from New Delhi’s vantage point it was an unfriendly act — one that undermined India’s diplomacy, its convening power and its claim to regional maritime leadership.

In one torpedo strike, American hard power has punctured India’s carefully cultivated soft power.

The U.S. torpedoing of the Iranian frigate IRIS Dena in India’s maritime backyard is more than a battlefield event; it is a strategic embarrassment for New Delhi. The ship had just participated in India’s flagship MILAN-2026 naval exercise, where, along with 18 other foreign warships, it sailed as a diplomatic guest of the Indian Navy.

By sinking a vessel returning from an Indian-hosted multilateral exercise, Washington effectively turned India’s maritime neighborhood into a war zone, raising uncomfortable questions about India’s authority in its own backyard.

In diplomatic terms, the strike violated the unwritten code of naval hospitality. Attacking a ship immediately after it leaves a host’s waters is widely seen as a slight to that host. The message to participating navies is stark: attending India’s exercises may not guarantee safety once they sail away.

The implications go deeper. Prime Minister Modi’s MAHASAGAR vision — positioning India as the Indian Ocean’s “preferred security partner” — rests on the idea that New Delhi can convene cooperation and maintain stability in the region. The U.S. strike shattered that image by demonstrating that a distant power can employ lethal force in India’s maritime backyard without coordination.

Worse, the attack occurred near Sri Lanka, just south of India’s maritime boundary, precisely the space India hopes to keep insulated from Middle Eastern wars. Instead, the Indian Ocean suddenly looks like an extension of that conflict."

https://x.com/Chellaney/status/2029231080105230528

This is war time scenario. Why would India be bothered? What naval hospitality code are we talking about here? Are we saying that tomorrow if there is a Paki vessel returning back from a Naval exercise in the US, we are not supposed engage them ? So what is Challaney proposing? India should send an escort vessel for every foreign Ship so they are safe in the Indian ocean? That is absurd. What soft power is he talking about? These are warships and submarines in international waters. India cannot baby sit all these ships just to call herself a net security provider.

[uddu]

Not a fan of Chellaney but " Washington may see the torpedoing as legitimate wartime action against an enemy vessel, but from New Delhi’s vantage point it was an unfriendly act — one that undermined India’s diplomacy, its convening power and its claim to regional maritime leadership.

In one torpedo strike, American hard power has punctured India’s carefully cultivated soft power.

The U.S. torpedoing of the Iranian frigate IRIS Dena in India’s maritime backyard is more than a battlefield event; it is a strategic embarrassment for New Delhi. The ship had just participated in India’s flagship MILAN-2026 naval exercise, where, along with 18 other foreign warships, it sailed as a diplomatic guest of the Indian Navy.

By sinking a vessel returning from an Indian-hosted multilateral exercise, Washington effectively turned India’s maritime neighborhood into a war zone, raising uncomfortable questions about India’s authority in its own backyard.

In diplomatic terms, the strike violated the unwritten code of naval hospitality. Attacking a ship immediately after it leaves a host’s waters is widely seen as a slight to that host. The message to participating navies is stark: attending India’s exercises may not guarantee safety once they sail away.

The implications go deeper. Prime Minister Modi’s MAHASAGAR vision — positioning India as the Indian Ocean’s “preferred security partner” — rests on the idea that New Delhi can convene cooperation and maintain stability in the region. The U.S. strike shattered that image by demonstrating that a distant power can employ lethal force in India’s maritime backyard without coordination.

Worse, the attack occurred near Sri Lanka, just south of India’s maritime boundary, precisely the space India hopes to keep insulated from Middle Eastern wars. Instead, the Indian Ocean suddenly looks like an extension of that conflict."

https://x.com/Chellaney/status/2029231080105230528

There is no rule that says, we have to pick up and drop warships from their port and back to their port that come to India for events. It's none of our business. These are warships and armed to take care of themselves in international waters. Our responsibility ends during the event and until the ship leaves. Once it leaves Indian shores, it's no more our guest. It don't' fly our flag. It's in international waters and on its own. These are not some kids that we are talking about. These are warships and not even some merchant ships.

The assumption that just because the vessel attended the event, did not make it need not be targeted for so and so days is all emotional approach. There is nothing that says, other players will not do fight their wars in the Indian Ocean. We can sympathize with them for coming and participating and being with us. Other than that, there is 0 responsibility to support an Iranian Vessel in International waters or the U.S submarine if they must have got sunk. The same Ship must have been tasked with targeting Indian vessel, once Indian Government decides to escort Merchant vessels in the Strait of Hormuz.

This ship is a small ship that don't' have much capability and must have been sunk a day prior if they have not come to India. They get to survive one more day because of they attending the event.

Now did the U.S use the event to demonstrate their so called power in the Indian Ocean? With Trump at the helm anything is possible. Probably he may brag about it in the days to come. For us, there is nothing that violated Indian laws or international laws. They both were at war the moment it was announced and the U.S submarine was a legitimate target for the Iranian vessel if it got detected.

For us there is a need to increase the number of warships by a huge margin. There is no hiding this fact. We need it to take care of all types of needs from Patrolling the Hormuz straits to even deter the U.S and China if they come to act against us. That capability is limited since the Govt and IN has not put money in making the warships numbers that we really need. We better concentrate on that rather than bring in unnecessary debates and discussion of event that has nothing to to do with us.

One more thing is that, Even Pakistani vessels still are in the Indian ocean. Did that mean our MAHASAGAR vision is not taking place or is diluted because of that? As Williams ji pointed out, India will target any Pakistani vessel if spotted Just outside of the United states maritime boundary whether they went there for exercise or for hiding.

For those who are making a hue and cry about the Ship being Sunk in the Indian ocean. The Hormuz Strait also comes under Indian Ocean. So it's okay to target ships in Hormuz Strait but not 74 km off Galle, Sri Lanka? For the record the said point is about 400 to 500 km away from Kanyakumari. While Iran is about 700km from Kutch. The war is happening 700km away from us. And the distance shrunk to 500 at one point in time.

[Sachin]

So what is Challaney proposing? India should send an escort vessel for every foreign Ship so they are safe in the Indian ocean? That is absurd.

It's in international waters and on its own.

India has no obligations to give protection to any ship which is in international waters, unless it is flying India's colours. International waters are like "no man's land". And to boot it, the Iranian ship was a Navy ship.

I think this Chellanney and others are just echoing what Congress "thoughts". Congress and the "secular progressive liberals" have been egging Modi & Co to make some statements condemning Khomeini's targetted killing, or Israeli and US actions. The idea is to force Vishwaguru to say some thing and then use it to hit back at him. So far Vishwaguru & BJP has not fallen for that. India and BJP have been more or less neutral, and have only made the right noises based on the situation.

Side note; I was aghast to see some social media posts (in Malayalam) which had a photo of Modi & Netanyahu. The social media political anal-yst was even suggesting that since Modi and Netanyahu met two days before the hit on Khomeini, Modi should have been aware of the Israeli plans and also tacitly approved it. The "secular progressive liberals" now seems to have gained some good foot hold on social media, as it is their campaigns which I see more on my feeds.

[uddu]

So what is Challaney proposing? India should send an escort vessel for every foreign Ship so they are safe in the Indian ocean? That is absurd.

It's in international waters and on its own.

India has no obligations to give protection to any ship which is in international waters, unless it is flying India's colours. International waters are like "no man's land". And to boot it, the Iranian ship was a Navy ship.

I think this Chellanney and others are just echoing what Congress "thoughts". Congress and the "secular progressive liberals" have been egging Modi & Co to make some statements condemning Khomeini's targetted killing, or Israeli and US actions. The idea is to force Vishwaguru to say some thing and then use it to hit back at him. So far Vishwaguru & BJP has not fallen for that. India and BJP have been more or less neutral, and have only made the right noises based on the situation.

Side note; I was aghast to see some social media posts (in Malayalam) which had a photo of Modi & Netanyahu. The social media political anal-yst was even suggesting that since Modi and Netanyahu met two days before the hit on Khomeini, Modi should have been aware of the Israeli plans and also tacitly approved it. The "secular progressive liberals" now seems to have gained some good foot hold on social media, as it is their campaigns which I see more on my feeds.

The whole point of the Congressis using this is to target the Indian PM. Using Khamenei to target the PM was to further their agenda, rather than the nation's agenda. There is a talk in Malayalam by Shri T.G Mohandas, he beautifully puts out the situation in Iran and why we are not involved. He says, the good 6000 years plus civilizational links and relationship between India and Iran was destroyed by Khamenei's after the Islamic revolution in Iran. He says, "the opposition is unnecessarily asking for supporting Iran while a large number of Indian Expats including Malayalee's are there in the Gulf countries. What if the King there asks them to vacate and go to Iran, if Indian government supports Iran? Who will bring lakhs of people from the Gulf back to India?"

I will say these are legitimate questions that need answered by the Congress. BJP must be countering the left and Congress on these matters, while taking a stance that we are on the position of peace and dialogue between the parties involved.

He also asks what these opposition are demanding? Are they asking for our soldiers to be send abroad in support for Iran? Let them make their demands public. Who in the world will go and fight a war unnecessarily? Even the Chinese who has such investment in the Gulf are not getting involved militarily. Nor are the Russians. Who will risk and lose money, material, soldiers for some fighting going on between two different countries.
He also states that these moral compasses of compassion, dharma and so and so etc are not to be used by national leaders. Chanakya has said that these qualities are all fine within the individual but in a world where the powerful determine what is right and wrong, there is no space for such behavior and approach by leaders of the nation.

Khamanei destroyed Iran's bond with India

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[A_Gupta]

Just like with Afghanistan, any relationship is of India with the Iranian people, if at all, and not with the regime.

[A_Gupta]

A key question so far for India is how many points of GDP growth will the war-caused disruptions cost india?

[Manish_P]

Just like with Afghanistan, any relationship is of India with the Iranian people, if at all, and not with the regime.

+1

As long as the values (of democracy, equality, rule of law, righteousness, mutual respect etc) align.

[uddu]

There was a doomsday clock in Iran that was counting the time to destroy Israel. This was destroyed in the 2025 strike.
Iranian outlet publishes footage of Israel doomsday clock that IDF said it destroyed
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... destroyed/
23 June 2025, 4:03 pm

Despite Israel’s claim that it destroyed a digital display in central Tehran counting down to its destruction, Iran’s semi-official Mehr news outlet publishes what it says is a video showing the doomsday clock still ticking.

[Cyrano]

Anyone who has seen a topographical map of Iran and then wants to put boots on the ground is a bloody fool

Not if the boots mostly come from Board of Peace types. Why do you think Asim Marshall is being given so much laddoos?

In the meanwhile they have got the kurds to attack in a ground offensive.

Pakis and Kurds are bloody fools

[Cyrano]

Just like with Afghanistan, any relationship is of India with the Iranian people, if at all, and not with the regime.

+1

As long as the values (of democracy, equality, rule of law, righteousness, mutual respect etc) align.

This is a myth. Don't trust these taqiyya countries. You will always be a kaffir and your country a land to be conquered, your people to be converted. Any cooperation has to be transactional only and any investment has to be written off before it's made.

Save those candles for dark days.

[chetak]

Just like with Afghanistan, any relationship is of India with the Iranian people, if at all, and not with the regime.

+1

As long as the values (of democracy, equality, rule of law, righteousness, mutual respect etc) align.

Manish ji,

you are talking about the democracy, equality, rule of law, righteousness, mutual respect etc, right........

none of these ephemeral fantasies exist in any jihadi country, and even if they did, none of it would ever apply to non muslims

what applies is the book and the caliph, and the caliph always trumps the book, and for a short time until he goes away to make way for the next amriki supremo, trumph trumps even the caliph

people to people connections are patent nonsense, and this subterfuge is used by the jihadi haves to forcibly extract resources, goods and services and one way trafficked concessions from India under the alleged guise of goodwill.

In actual fact, they desperately want to trade with India, and they are in a grievous panic about the lack of response from India. They want an open wagah border and free movement of grain, meat, veggies, medicines and thousands of daily use commercial items and are almost hysterical in their need for Indian goods.

their effing people are their govts, their military and their greedy babooze. The people can never be isolated from the goondas mentioned above. They have a common catchment ecosystem that includes these scum within itself, inseparably and indistinguishable from one another.

Yes, there would be the ashrafs, the aljafs and whatever caste one may call them to camouflage the strata of society that breeds, brainwashes and nurtures them

what has people to people contacts BS ever got India from the pakis, the beedis, the lankans, the nepalese or even the maldives.......

baring parts of dilli and UP/bihar, what is common between India or "people to people" between the freeloaders mentioned above and the rest of India

We are not, and never ever were, the people with a commonly "shared heritage" and "food and cultural ties"

Their individual as well as collective relationships with India has always been characterized by "gimme, gimme, gimme"

we all saw how the pakis, beedis, the cheen, the nepalese, and the amrikis all ganged up on us during the disastrous reign of the padishah youanus, in their rabid eagerness to balkanize India via the NE

djinna was right.

the two kaums are separate.

If anything, the eyeraanians are even worse in their open display of contempt for India and Indians whom they consider as inferiors

[Manish_P]

....
This is a myth. Don't trust these taqiyya countries. You will always be a kaffir and your country a land to be conquered, your people to be converted. Any cooperation has to be transactional only and any investment has to be written off before it's made.
...

I did include the words 'equality', 'righteousness' and 'mutual respect'. I didn't include them lightly.

Added - I don't mean this as a flex, but I have lived here in india all my life. On one of the many front-lines of Jihad. Have been experiencing taqqiyaa way more routinely and much before than folks in Europe who are feeling the heat of it only now in the past few years.

[Manish_P]

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you are talking about the democracy, equality, rule of law, righteousness, mutual respect etc, right........

none of these ephemeral fantasies exist in any jihadi country, and even if they did, none of it would ever apply to non muslims

....

If anything, the eyeraanians are even worse in their open display of contempt for India and Indians whom they consider as inferiors

Hence my very carefully considered choice of words, Chetak sir.

[Tanaji]

An excellent article on maritime insurance and Indias Achilles heel in this sector. Just like China is doing, at have to slowly start building alternatives to these western institutions that look after Indian strategic interests.

https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/iran-israe ... t-11171536

[Cyrano]

....
This is a myth. Don't trust these taqiyya countries. You will always be a kaffir and your country a land to be conquered, your people to be converted. Any cooperation has to be transactional only and any investment has to be written off before it's made.
...

I did include the words 'equality', 'righteousness' and 'mutual respect'. I didn't include them lightly.

Added - I don't mean this as a flex, but I have lived here in india all my life. On one of the many front-lines of Jihad. Have been experiencing taqqiyaa way more routinely and much before than folks in Europe who are feeling the heat of it only now in the past few years.

Borrowing from an illustrious ex forumite, if my aunt were a man, she would be my uncle!

[chetak]

IMO USA has cornered itself by saying it is only against the regime and that restricts their bombing surface area. This cannot be like Iraq. So interesting times ahead.

India Oil/LNG - they might need to find backup sources asap.

V_Raman ji,

Russia steps in with 9.5 million barrels as India braces for oil supply shock

For now, the additional Russian crude offers a buffer that may help India navigate a period of uncertainty. Energy sector observers say its sufficiency will depend on how the geopolitical landscape evolves.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/busine ... pply-shock

[Manish_P]

Borrowing from an illustrious ex forumite, if my aunt were a man, she would be my uncle!

If my chacha wore a burkha, would he be my Khala?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 055503.cms

[Cyrano]

Don't get too close to Khala jaan!