Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Y. Kanan wrote:Interesting how the world balance of power is shifting. The lines are being drawn as humanity heads for its next great schism. On the western/globalist side you’ve got the US & Britain as the core members, with their vassals Germany, France, the remaining NATO states including Canada, plus Japan, South Korea and Australia, all sharing the same immediate goal: crush the upstart Russians and go back to maintaining their global dominance and imposing their global order.

Then you’ve got the Russo-Chinese bloc opposing them, with their vassals like North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Belarus and a handful of other states on the globalist west’s naughty list. There’s also some small players that can’t do much but might be willing to help either Russia or China depending on the circumstances, such as the UEA, Serbia, Ecuador, Cuba, Venezuela, Myanmar, and various African states.
Why does Brazil need so much fertilizer? To grow soybeans. Why do they need so much soybean? To sell to China, where they use it to feed pigs. I think China must have waved a red flag to Bolsanaro. If the Russians are not allowed to sell fertilizer to Brazil it will be Chinese more than anyone else who will be the loser with food price inflation.

If Brazil falls in line with sanctions, you will see Chinese pick up Russian fertilizer in bulk and resell it to the Brazilians under a Chinese label; but of course there will be additional costs of shipping, profit etc which will be eat into their profit which is why this plea.
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kit wrote:
hanumadu wrote:https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/ ... aL3yOypJFw





That's more than 2000 Indians. I think this will be the pattern in all cities where Ukraine army is located.
enough reason for India to intervene militarily.. against the Ukranians !! The uke s need some tough talking to , they seem have their heads buried in their a$$e$ . They did have the cheek to ask India to support them or else !! .. OT but i think there would be significant action by India on this front if diplomatic efforts fail...
^^ Surely you’re not serious or did I miss something? Military intervention? Even if the story is true I don’t think these are grounds for interfering in this war.
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ShivS wrote:
chetak wrote:

precision guidance generally uses MIL grade GPS

The GPS that India has access to is the normal run of the mill GPS with its purposely built in errors
You are right, should have used just co ordinates

As an aside there is no difference between the range error of GPS signals for military and civilian use now. The military uses dual frequencies for robustness and distortion management but the signals are the same.
The normal GPS signal available to all has a very complex jitter built into it which degrades the signal. It is also the very same signal from which the MIL GPS output can be decrypted, derived, processed and used for mil purposes by special Mil GPS receivers.

The commercial GPS receivers cannot decode the jitter hence their accuracy is inherently limited. All commercial aircraft and merchant marine ships etc use this commercial signal and that is more than good enough for everyday navigational purposes.

The jitter affects the accuracy of the and hence its ability to provide locational precision required for Mil purposes.

Mil GPS receivers have the capability to decrypt, isolate and remove the jitter thereby making the GPS output signal it generates highly accurate and allowing it to be weaponized for precision targeting, mil navigation etc

only a few countries gave been trusted by the US and given this capability, countries like NATO, israel etc.

AFAIK, India has not been allowed this capability.
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Don't we have our own navigation constellation?

Why is US GPS signal and it's accuracy important to US.
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Transcript of Special Briefing on Operation Ganga by the Official Spokesperson (March 05, 2022)
Moving on to Kharkiv, there are some positive developments in terms of what we understand is that almost all Indians have now left Kharkiv city, that's certainly a very positive development. As you know, this was an area of considerable concern for last few days. So that's something, positive movement. In nearby Pisochyn is one of those safe areas that we had moved out people about now a couple of days ago. As of a few hours ago, there were less than 300 students there. I think 298 was the number our embassy put out who are to be evacuated out westwards. We hope to complete that task by today. Of this, as you've just seen, also on the social media, I think our embassy organized, that three buses have already got filled up, they have reached and are leaving. So the buses organized by embassy have been sent to Pisochyn and even as we speak, we hope that the next couple of buses will reach, load up and we think in those what five buses we should be able to get out all of them who are left. So that would resolve the Pisochyn set of people who are stranded there. So with that Pisochyn and Kharkiv hopefully in the next few hours, we should be able to clear out almost everyone. As far as we know as I said Kharkiv also there's nobody. Yesterday we were also able to send food and water and other essentials to the people in Pisochyn so that actually has been a more comfortable development.

The main focus is now on Sumy. This is in the Northeast on the border with Russia. Now here of course this has been in the news a lot and we are exploring multiple options for evacuating our citizens, students out of there, but let me reiterate the main challenge remains the ongoing shelling there, the ongoing violence there and the lack of transportation primarily, but even more than transportation I think it's a problem of having a secure and safe way to get them out while they're not under threat. We are in touch with all concerned regarding possible movement. The best option for us would be a ceasefire of course that allows to get our students out and in this connection, we have been strongly pressing both the Russian and the Ukrainian sides to allow this kind of a local ceasefire, perhaps just to get a corridor for our students. It has not yet happened, but we are continuing to push for that. Meanwhile, I would urge all our students who are there in Sumy, we know what you're going through, it's a tough situation, you are managing it with fortitude. Please stay safe, avoid unnecessary risks. Safety and security is paramount. We feel your pain; the difficulties you're going through. Just bear with us, as you see, please follow the advisories our embassy is issuing. The complete attention of our evacuation efforts are now on getting you out safely.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Pratyush wrote:Don't we have our own navigation constellation?

Why is US GPS signal and it's accuracy important to US.
India s NAVIC constellation ( 7+2) provides military grade GPS for the forces in the subcontinent and "beyond" but does not cover the entire earth (?) as of now
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pravula wrote:Aren’t Mil gps encrypted?
The normal commercial GPS signal transmitted by the satellites is already encrypted but can be used for commercial/civilian purposes without decryption/decoding.

It usually requires a Mil GPS receiver to decode/decrypt the commercial GPS signal to derive the Mil GPS signal

there is no separate Mil GPS signal transmitted by the satellites, and all these satellites transmit only the commercial GPS signal

During kargil, our great friend the US had ensured that the GPS signals were not available over the cashmere region to purposely and actively interfere with the IAF's delivery of PGMs

That is what caused India to launch its own constellation of GPS satellites

"perfidious albion" has nothing on perfidious ameriki

That is why countries like India, cheen, russia etc all have their own GPS satellites so that in times of war, uninterrupted GPS signals are available to them from their own satellite constellation networks
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“Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks, but he’ll never gain the hearts and souls of the Iranian people,” said Biden :roll:
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LakshmanPST wrote:
hanumadu wrote:https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/ ... aL3yOypJFw





That's more than 2000 Indians. I think this will be the pattern in all cities where Ukraine army is located.
But Indian Govt. yesterday said that all Indians left Kharkiv...
1500 is a big number...
It is probably old news...

As per Govt. release yesterday, only Sumy city have Indians still stuck... Indians in all other cities are more or less out of danger...
That's a day old tweet, but you are correct. India has evacuated all its citizens from the Kharkiv region
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https://www.livemint.com/news/india/rus ... 04476.html
The latest development comes after the ministry of external affairs had earlier today said that no Indian remains stuck in the Kharkiv region of war-torn Ukraine as all of those who wanted to return have been evacuated by the government.
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That's an old one.
There is another one where he says that Putin has invaded Russia :rotfl:
kit wrote:

“Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks, but he’ll never gain the hearts and souls of the Iranian people,” said Biden :roll:
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Baikul wrote:Why is Zelenskiy turning on NATO for its refusal to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine (which incidentally could be causus belli for WW3)

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... er-ukraine

The reason he would publicly berate his primary allies is IMO that enforcing the no fly zone is critical for his government. Which means that RuAF have done better than we read in the media and/or are likely to start having a decisive impact.

Or maybe he just wants to to pull NATO into this war because he knows they are losing otherwise, western assistance or no assistance
Today there’s a video on his channel where he says that if the Western world doesn’t either enforce a no fly zone or give the Ukrainians new fighter aircraft, they too “want us to be slowly killed”.

https://t.me/V_Zelenskiy_official/784
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Back from my self-imposed exile. This is a very funny but poignant observation.

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Another one.

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Special Report: Why Ukraine spurned the EU and embraced Russia

Always good to go back in history and see how and why Ukraine has reached it's present position. It all started when Viktor Yanukovich, then President of Ukraine in 2013 negotiated both with the EU and with Russia on how to handle Ukraine's economic difficulties and external debt which it was on the verge of defaulting. Read it all.It's a Reuters news article from December 2013.
Others say Yanukovich’s desire to forge closer links with the EU was genuine, but that he became dismayed when he felt the EU failed to acknowledge the scale of the financial difficulties he would face if he chose Brussels over Moscow.

Yanukovich estimated that he needed $160 billion over three years to make up for the trade Ukraine stood to lose with Russia, and to help cushion the pain from reforms the EU was demanding. The EU refused to give such a sum, which it said was exaggerated and unjustified.

The EU offered 610 million euros ($839 million) immediately. EU officials said increased trade, combined with various aid and financing programs, might go some way to providing Kiev with the investment it needed.

An EU source said Ukraine could have been in line to receive at least 19 billion euros in EU loans and grants over the next seven years if it had signed a trade and cooperation agreement and reached a deal with the IMF. But that sum was not mentioned to Ukraine officials during negotiations, said the source.


To Ukraine, there seemed little prospect of getting the EU, already struggling to help its indebted members, to offer a better deal than its original offer.

Oliynyk, who is Ukraine’s permanent representative for NATO, and others were furious. He told Reuters that when Ukraine turned to Europe’s officials for help, they “spat on us.”
Yanukovich was also offended when he found out Kiev would not be offered a firm prospect of full membership of the EU; he felt Ukraine was being treated as a lesser country to “even Poland”, with which it shares a border.

“Many citizens have got it wrong on European integration. It is not about membership, we are apparently not Poland, apparently we are not on a level with Poland ... they are not letting us in really, we will be standing at the doors. We’re nice but we’re not Poles,” Oliynyk said
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Less than three months later Yanukovich spurned the EU, embraced Russian President Vladimir Putin and struck a deal on December 17 for a bailout of his country. Russia will invest $15 billion in Ukraine’s government debt and reduce by about a third the price that Naftogaz, Ukraine’s national energy company, pays for Russian gas.
That deal with Russia sparked demonstrations in Ukraine, primarily in western Ukraine which led to the Maidan which forced Yanukovich from power and in turn led to the Russian takeover of Crimea.......
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@politblogme
Far-right Ukrainian fighters hold hostage as a "human shield" about 5000 foreigners: in Kharkov up to 1500 students from India, 200 citizens of Jordan, 60 - of Egypt, 15 - of Vietnam; In Sumy: 576 - of India, 159 - of Tanzania, 121 - of China, 100 - of Ghana, 60 - of Egypt,..
... 45 - of Jordan, 15 - of Tunisia and 14 - of Zambia in Sumy.
— Ukraine refuses Russian proposals to open humanitarian corridors in Kharkiv and Sumy. Kiev radicals prevent civilians from evacuating - a curfew has been introduced, exits have been mined, people are threatened with reprisal.
— Cases of #racism have become more frequent. Nationalists impede the evacuation of Africans, as well as citizens of India, Israel, Indonesia, Pakistan and Egypt, in particular.
This information is confirmed by the Ministries of Foreign Affairs of the countries mentioned in the list. They are working closely with the Russian side.
Militants of Ukrainian far-right formations are preparing a bloody provocation: they intend to kill 9 Iraqi students that are held hostage in Sumy State University dormitory & to accuse Russian forces of the death of foreign citizens in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/ ... KdWFA&s=19
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^^^^^^^
I would tend to place more credibility on the official spokesperson of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs vs some random twitter handle on the issue of Indian students being held as hostages in Ukraine:
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https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/149 ... 6Ep84pAAAA

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ldev wrote:^^^^^^^
I would tend to place more credibility on the official spokesperson of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs vs some random twitter handle on the issue of Indian students being held as hostages in Ukraine:
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Our response to media queries regarding reports of Indian students being held hostage in Ukraine
https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/149 ... 6Ep84pAAAA
I studied with MEA Spokesman Arindam Bagchi and would definately go with what he says.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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chetak wrote:
ShivS wrote:
You are right, should have used just co ordinates

As an aside there is no difference between the range error of GPS signals for military and civilian use now. The military uses dual frequencies for robustness and distortion management but the signals are the same.
The normal GPS signal available to all has a very complex jitter built into it which degrades the signal. It is also the very same signal from which the MIL GPS output can be decrypted, derived, processed and used for mil purposes by special Mil GPS receivers.

The commercial GPS receivers cannot decode the jitter hence their accuracy is inherently limited. All commercial aircraft and merchant marine ships etc use this commercial signal and that is more than good enough for everyday navigational purposes.

The jitter affects the accuracy of the and hence its ability to provide locational precision required for Mil purposes.

Mil GPS receivers have the capability to decrypt, isolate and remove the jitter thereby making the GPS output signal it generates highly accurate and allowing it to be weaponized for precision targeting, mil navigation etc

only a few countries gave been trusted by the US and given this capability, countries like NATO, israel etc.

AFAIK, India has not been allowed this capability.
You are taking me a long time back :)

Okay - very simply, there was a pseudo random error introduced in the civilian gps signal till around mid 2000 - this restricted accuracy to 100 m or so. This got dropped as civilian usage was becoming safety critical.

After this error code was removed from the signal, a high quality receiver with some triangulation and approximation will give you around 5 m accuracy. With some further expense on triangulation and without access to the military signal one can get around 3 m accuracy levels in most locations. This was quite a few years ago, things keep improving.

I am unsure, but a run of the mill receiver will get you 20m accuracy today

There is an encrypted military signal too that has multiple benefits for military applications - better error correction, redundancy for jamming resistance etc. I don’t know the accuracy for the military grade systems but would assume it is sub 1 m
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I believe the US denied India the pure military grade signal during Kargil. GPS was not switched off. We were denied many things. It was good.
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ShivS wrote:
chetak wrote:
The normal GPS signal available to all has a very complex jitter built into it which degrades the signal. It is also the very same signal from which the MIL GPS output can be decrypted, derived, processed and used for mil purposes by special Mil GPS receivers.

The commercial GPS receivers cannot decode the jitter hence their accuracy is inherently limited. All commercial aircraft and merchant marine ships etc use this commercial signal and that is more than good enough for everyday navigational purposes.

The jitter affects the accuracy of the and hence its ability to provide locational precision required for Mil purposes.

Mil GPS receivers have the capability to decrypt, isolate and remove the jitter thereby making the GPS output signal it generates highly accurate and allowing it to be weaponized for precision targeting, mil navigation etc

only a few countries gave been trusted by the US and given this capability, countries like NATO, israel etc.

AFAIK, India has not been allowed this capability.
You are taking me a long time back :)

Okay - very simply, there was a pseudo random error introduced in the civilian gps signal till around mid 2000 - this restricted accuracy to 100 m or so. This got dropped as civilian usage was becoming safety critical.

After this error code was removed from the signal, a high quality receiver with some triangulation and approximation will give you around 5 m accuracy. With some further expense on triangulation and without access to the military signal one can get around 3 m accuracy levels in most locations. This was quite a few years ago, things keep improving.

I am unsure, but a run of the mill receiver will get you 20m accuracy today

There is an encrypted military signal too that has multiple benefits for military applications - better error correction, redundancy for jamming resistance etc. I don’t know the accuracy for the military grade systems but would assume it is sub 1 m
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A number of captured RuAF fighter pilots show injuries to the neck/ below the chin are leading to speculation that there’s some issue/ design flaw with ejection mechanisms.

An ejection, from what I’ve read, can lead to injury, especially spinal trauma. Don’t know if the injuries referred to above are also common.

Examples in the link below

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... e-26398556
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I suspect the acquisition of the AK203, 3 out 4 Talwar class ships, and S-400 will face unexpected delays and will likely never arrive. The Russian military are facing significant material losses, due to their own fault, and need replacement. It is time to revive the INSAS and have an emergency increase of CAPEX for domestic weapon systems.

I suspect the postponement of Vayu Shakti 2022 was to prevent any shortage of spares for the IAF during this period of unstable Russian logistics.
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This looks like fairly big plane that was hit some speculation that Ukr are using Tor M1 they captured only couple days ago in that area

https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/150 ... 80130?s=21
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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ldev wrote:^^^^^^^
I would tend to place more credibility on the official spokesperson of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs vs some random twitter handle on the issue of Indian students being held as hostages in Ukraine:
I guess the definition of the term hostage seems to be different here...
I think Russia/Russian accounts are talking about Ukrainians willingly not allowing many civilians to leave cities by conducting false flag operations or simply random directives to use them as human shields...
There are also some (unverified) videos out there of ppl being turned back at gun point...
There must have been some truth to it, but I guess it was diplomatically resolved...

Also looking at the overall picture, I feel Ukraine Central Govt. is not really in control of things in all cities... Local Govts./Militia seem to be running things... Embassy staff is working through all these issues...
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American basketball star Brittney Griner detained in Russia on drug charges, faces upto 10 years in prison
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Russian State Ilyushin Il-96 heads to Washington DC.
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Kati wrote:Russian State Ilyushin Il-96 heads to Washington DC.
To pick up Russian diplomats expelled by the US.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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ShivS wrote:I believe the US denied India the pure military grade signal during Kargil. GPS was not switched off. We were denied many things. It was good.
you are needlessly speculating ShivS.

Obviously our long standing russki connections preclude tech transfer and sharing of such high grade mil resources.

these days many el cheapo watches and mobile phones have the capability to handle GPS as well as GLONAS signals, off a single miniscule chip

many commercial GPS receivers used by airlines and merchant mariners can do that as well.
GPS was not switched off
I was speaking colloquially.

their satellites have the capability of what is simplistically best described as "antenna shading" where the GPS signal over a specific geographic location is electronically shaded out, thus effectively blocking out the signals by all satellites as they rise and set over that specific local horizon which in our case was large swathes of cashmere.

pakis are the rabid junkyard mongrel thrown the occasional ameriki bone to keep India under control and no matter who says what, this psychotic relationship will continue to India's detriment.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Baikul wrote:A number of captured RuAF fighter pilots show injuries to the neck/ below the chin are leading to speculation that there’s some issue/ design flaw with ejection mechanisms.

An ejection, from what I’ve read, can lead to injury, especially spinal trauma. Don’t know if the injuries referred to above are also common.

Examples in the link below

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... e-26398556
It could also be because most of these ejections are happening after taking a hit and its possible that the missle hits are the cause of the injuries. I'm just looking at glass half full situation and considering a lot of our pilots have ejected from these Russian seats without such visible injuries.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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ldev wrote:
Always good to go back in history and see how and why Ukraine has reached it's present position. It all started when Viktor Yanukovich, then President of Ukraine in 2013 negotiated both with the EU and with Russia on how to handle Ukraine's economic difficulties and external debt which it was on the verge of defaulting. Read it all.It's a Reuters news article from December 2013.
While what's quoted here is true, that is not the starting point. After Cold war, Ukraine started drifting away aggressively from Russia's influence and Putin did not like it. This whole mess started with the brutal and unprecedented poisioning of Viktor Yushchenko back in 2005. This is an act where an democratically elected leader of a sovereign country, tried to assassinate another sovereign country's democratically elected leader. This is nuts.
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Kati wrote:American basketball star Brittney Griner detained in Russia on drug charges, faces upto 10 years in prison
Month old arrest IIRC...
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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ShivS wrote:
You are taking me a long time back :)

Okay - very simply, there was a pseudo random error introduced in the civilian gps signal till around mid 2000 - this restricted accuracy to 100 m or so. This got dropped as civilian usage was becoming safety critical.

After this error code was removed from the signal, a high quality receiver with some triangulation and approximation will give you around 5 m accuracy. With some further expense on triangulation and without access to the military signal one can get around 3 m accuracy levels in most locations. This was quite a few years ago, things keep improving.

I am unsure, but a run of the mill receiver will get you 20m accuracy today

There is an encrypted military signal too that has multiple benefits for military applications - better error correction, redundancy for jamming resistance etc. I don’t know the accuracy for the military grade systems but would assume it is sub 1 m
Civil accuracy is a few cms now....https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/

Interesting paper with accuracy data: https://www.nstb.tc.faa.gov/reports/202 ... N_v2.0.pdf
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Another video of group of Indian students trapped in Sumy. Apparently they were leaving Sumy and said this is their last video and if they die it’s the responsibility of the indian government and embassy.

The sense of entitlement and lack of empathy is of
f the charts.
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Tanaji wrote:Another video of group of Indian students trapped in Sumy. Apparently they were leaving Sumy and said this is their last video and if they die it’s the responsibility of the indian government and embassy.

The sense of entitlement and lack of empathy is of
f the charts.

I hope our jurnos have not let these students on a wrong path.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Mort Walker wrote:
I suspect the acquisition of the AK203, 3 out 4 Talwar class ships, and S-400 will face unexpected delays and will likely never arrive. The Russian military are facing significant material losses, due to their own fault, and need replacement. It is time to revive the INSAS and have an emergency increase of CAPEX for domestic weapon systems.

I suspect the postponement of Vayu Shakti 2022 was to prevent any shortage of spares for the IAF during this period of unstable Russian logistics.
Agree. I think the range of possible outcomes on future Russian supplies and their timeliness is very wide because nobody knows how the Ukraine situation will end. At the minimum you are looking at delays stretching for many months as Russia gives priority to meeting the needs of it's own armed forces. At worst outright non delivery. Only 1 out of 5 S 400 systems has been delivered. I wonder whether the 2nd will ever be delivered. Ditto the Talwar class ships with the complication of their Ukranian origin engines. And then there is the issue of spares for the enormous SU-30 fleet. The full effect of the sanctions has not yet been felt in Russia. There will be large scale dislocation of manufacturing.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Jay wrote: While what's quoted here is true, that is not the starting point. After Cold war, Ukraine started drifting away aggressively from Russia's influence and Putin did not like it. This whole mess started with the brutal and unprecedented poisioning of Viktor Yushchenko back in 2005. This is an act where an democratically elected leader of a sovereign country, tried to assassinate another sovereign country's democratically elected leader. This is nuts.
Yushchenko made up with Yanukovych when he made him his PM and that was regarded as a rapprochement towards Russia. This after he fired his former ally Yulia Tymoshenko. So the bad blood between the two was over and done with by then I think. Yanukovych was from the East and pro Russian, so for him to enter into discussions with the EU was quite a surprise. In the end what swung the balance towards Russia was that Russia was willing to give him $ 15 billion upfront to deal with the immediate financial problems that Ukraine faced while the EU bureaucracy was penny pinching.

Whatever one might say about Yanukovych, at least in so far as those discussions were concerned, he looked after Ukranian interests. Zelensky on the other hand has been a total disaster for Ukraine. Unfit for office and could not keep his country out of a disastrous war.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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^^^ for causes watch this old John Mearsheimer video. it now has 17 Million views


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=3234s
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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ldev wrote:
Whatever one might say about Yanukovych, at least in so far as those discussions were concerned, he looked after Ukranian interests.
This is revisionist in so many ways. Yanukovych looked after his and Russian interests, not Ukranian. There is a reason why he was thrown out in a popular protest after an election which was influenced by Russian meddling to an extreme degree.

https://impact.gijn.org/case-studies/ya ... s-ukraine/

https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/viktor-y ... ne-russia/

https://www.rferl.org/a/lawyer-reveals- ... 86363.html

The point is that majority of Ukrainians want a pro EU policy and want to move away from Russian influence and have been supporting politicians who are pro west/EU.

Saying Zelenskyy was the reason for the war is saying that a sheet of glass is responsible because a rock crashed into it.
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