Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 May 2014 13:33

Vinod saar it is a BRF ritual and all in jest onlee. Please don't be offended.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 02 May 2014 13:47

Dilbu wrote:
Vinod saar it is a BRF ritual and all in jest onlee. Please don't be offended.

None taken, Dlibuji!

I'm too embarassed for missing this..

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 02 May 2014 13:48

vinod wrote:
Dilbu wrote:NaMo will lose onlee.
What is this guy up to? If he can't contribute anything useful, can we get rid of him atleast! I see this many one line posts!

What Blasphemy

Commandment No 1: Thou shalt not Reply to Dilbu Post.

Remedy: Do a daily Lungi Dance till May 16th.

Report to Admin after Results for verdict.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 02 May 2014 13:50

PS: No more 'lungi dance' or 'dhothi shiver' after results. It must be 'dhothi dance' and 'lungi shiver' onlee.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 02 May 2014 13:54

To those in dhoti shivering mode. Throw away those dhotis - na rahega baans, na bajegi bansuri.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 May 2014 14:00

Ahmed Patel says will quit politics if Narendra Modi can prove 'ridiculous' friendship claim

Congress Party president Sonia Gandhi's political secretary Ahmed Patel on Friday said he would quit politics if BJP prime ministeral candidate Narendra Modi could prove that they were both very good friends, and had visited each other's homes.

Describing Modi's claim of friendship as "baseless and ridiculous," Patel was quoted by television channels, as saying: "I totally deny any closeness to a man who is set to divide India. I will leave public life if Modi can prove I have gone to his house or office since he became Chief Minister (of Gujarat)."

Modi had made the claim of friendship with Patel during an interview given to national broadcaster Doordarshan earlier this week.

Modi said there was a time when he was very good friends with Patel, but added that such was not the case now, as Patel has been keeping his distance and not taking his calls.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 02 May 2014 14:02

Shamlee wrote:To those in dhoti shivering mode. Throw away those dhotis - na rahega baans, na bajegi bansuri.

Nobody is congressi here.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 02 May 2014 14:08

vinod wrote:
Dilbu wrote:NaMo will lose onlee.
What is this guy up to? If he can't contribute anything useful, can we get rid of him atleast! I see this many one line posts!

holy cow what on the name of god have you done?!

member_21074 · Post by **member_21074** » 02 May 2014 14:13

RajeshA wrote:I think NaMo & Amit Shah wanted Sonia Gandhi to remain the head of the Congress party going into 2019. The old sick hag can never be beautiful again, figuratively speaking. Modi & Co. don't want a Congress makeover under the guidance of a new face, either from the family or by some US/Saudi stooge.

They basically want to contain opposition to BJP going into 2019 by keeping Congress under the politically mortally wounded family - a pardaphashed puppeteer, a pappu and a papi ki patni!

As long as LaFamiglia is kept weak and wounded, no new secular savior general can really take over the reins of armies of the enemy.

So those who want Modi to finish off LaFamiglia, may be disappointed. There would always be something coming up in form of scams to keep LaFamiglia under pressure and wounded but Modi would not deliver the final blow, the knockout punch. In fact Modi may even try to keep LaFamiglia as a prominent political force, leaving them with sufficient security and even their Janpath houses.

The US knows that Sonia is past her expiry date and may even have wanted to find an alternative - AAP. Modi too knows this and as such is interested in keeping her, sort of how the East India Company left Bahadur Shah Zafar in power.

So while people want Rajasthan govt. to speed up investigations against Robert Vadra and put a stake through him, it helps NaMo to keep all this coming out in drips.

But people would start thinking that like ABV, NaMo is also sold out or awed by LaFamiglia.

Your deductions sound logical, but remember NaMo's whole political campaign was centric to congress and the family. If NaMo doesn't take decisive action, he will lose credibility. It may well be beyond comprehension now, but even NaMo will have an expiry date. Reinforcing his credibility with decisive actions will keep the expiry date at bay.
Moreover, not taking action against family will also give breathing space to AAP/third front, which can then take it to prove BJP==Congress.
So, In my opinion letting off family may not be the best thing to be done.
Even better is, kill the system.

Here's my 5 step formula for that:
1) Covert action against family, not to alarm the left of followers. Keep them wounded, but very much alive.
2) Attack family's courtyards - duration 1-2 years.Cut off wings of people like shinde,PC,ST.
3) Then attack state/district level congress. Destroy the cadre base. Since their leadership is already compromised, they may not put up big fight.
4) Go for 2019 election with weaker congress with wounded family. Remember, an incompetent leader is as good as his/her courtyards. This is the time to target mission 350/400 of sort.
5) Post 2019: With 2019 loss the family is dead anyway, go for a silent blow. Now will be the time for reforms for actual nation building.

I believe, you can't just kill the family or the congress party. Kill the idea of congress party!

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 02 May 2014 14:27

RajeshA wrote:I think NaMo & Amit Shah wanted Sonia Gandhi to remain the head of the Congress party going into 2019. The old sick hag can never be beautiful again, figuratively speaking. Modi & Co. don't want a Congress makeover under the guidance of a new face, either from the family or by some US/Saudi stooge.
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Well ABV is being called names for doing exactly that.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 02 May 2014 14:31

can we please keep this talk of killing etc out of this forum? no matter however metaphorically you may be speaking. Better use less controvertial verbs.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 02 May 2014 14:54

Bharat Verma defence expert on abp news-Security of NaMo is his responsibility as well, he shouldn't repeat open jeep cavalcade Banaras style, in such a huge crowd a pistol and a jihadi can easily sneak in

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 May 2014 14:58

I too was tense when I saw the long drawn out procession in varanasi with all the surrounding buildings. Modi once said that he does not care about security .. likely he believed in fate/destiny. Believe in fate but take most logical precautions.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 02 May 2014 14:59

he may not need security but India needs him and therefore his security. Pls tweet him re this

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 02 May 2014 15:02

pankajs wrote:I too was tense when I saw the long drawn out procession in varanasi with all the surrounding buildings. Modi once said that he does not care about security .. likely he believed in fate/destiny. Believe in fate but take most logical precautions.

Seeing the procession and Modi waving at buildings, I mentioned to my wife that a guy with a rifle could have easily taken him down from a window.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2014 15:13

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 May 2014 15:17

RajeshA wrote:Modi really understands the concept of "knowledge is power" and best way to put an enemy in a corner is to claim friendship with him. This means Ahmed Patel is now a target for all those who have secrets to hide, leaving Ahmed Patel without any option other than truly coming over to Modi!

Modi deliberately invites attack on his person while he talks peace and brotherhood. Him talking friendship and respect, etc while these vile creatures throw poisonous darts makes the comparison stark.

In essence he has mastered the art of using their own poison against them. He is using their own media propaganda to expose them.

An example.

Minhaz Merchant ‏@minhazmerchant 6h

Priyanka's graceless reaction to the "beti" remark--even pre-Goebbelsian mis-translation--shows money doesn't buy class

He comes across as graceful while PV comes across as graceless. And it is the news traders who played it up without Modi spending a dime.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2014 15:20

I will not be a part of Modi government, there cannot be two centres of power: BJP president Rajnath Singh

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 May 2014 15:24

TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 2h

After demanding Modi's arrest for his impromptu news conference, now Congress does a U-turn #India2014 http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4453681.cms …

member_21074 · Post by **member_21074** » 02 May 2014 15:26

Exit/opinion poll of Satta market: sure BJP seats:
They give 247 to BJP alone

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 02 May 2014 15:27

I voted a week back and the ink on my finger has begun to peel off. Whats the point of ink marking and at the same time stretching the election schedule for one month when the ink cant stay for one week. Shouldnt EC be taken to task for this considering some leaders have openly called for dual voting and names have been deleted from list.

member_27987 · Post by **member_27987** » 02 May 2014 15:36

pankajs wrote:
TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 2h

After demanding Modi's arrest for his impromptu news conference, now Congress does a U-turn #India2014 http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4453681.cms …

Have to give it to Modi in playing everyone against him this way. Kudos! I have always wanted to see BJP become smart in their political strategy. Seeing it on display in real gladdens me immensly

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 May 2014 15:39

NM has lot of days to go and I am also worried when seen him travelling on open zeep or truck type vehicles. We all fear another Hemu moment. But I am sure NM is aware of this and also police. NM and his people like AS are very good planners and AS is not Frank Underwood. I am sure he planned Varanasi rally with great care and police are also very active in following NM everywhere with AK47s and all that. Patna attack is a serious wake up call and Madras Bomb attack also keeping everyone on their toll.

One more thing Jihadis knows what will be Consequences of attack on NM. I do not wish to write more on the "Consequences" and get banned by Admin.

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 May 2014 15:48

X-post:

sum wrote:If there was a psy-ops video clip, this should be it:

Let me know what inference you drew

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 02 May 2014 15:53

Singhaji, That pic was the patented Gandhi family get in the news trick to get MSM to salivate and rooh raah over "lookee how earthy be our beti mixing with the masses". This trick has been tried for the past 70 years by the khangressis but alas there isn't much demand for this tamasha in this day and age. Even a generation ago the family balladeers aka editors would have written raving articles about the mass connect of the people and how they have the pulse of the people. Rather it just is a nightmare for security agencies.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 02 May 2014 16:03

sum wrote:X-post:
sum wrote:If there was a psy-ops video clip, this should be it:

Let me know what inference you drew

Brilliant piece of psy-ops, albeit by the enemy.

However, to say the truth, that barber is my hero. How many of us would have the guts to retaliate like that.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 02 May 2014 16:07

Singha wrote:

What happened here or is it photo shopped.Is it a schizophrenic bout.There are some grapevine talk of her mental instability and was this a schizoid episode if true ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2014 16:10

apparently climbing over hills and dales to connect to her subjects...

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 02 May 2014 16:12

arvin wrote:I voted a week back and the ink on my finger has begun to peel off. Whats the point of ink marking and at the same time stretching the election schedule for one month when the ink cant stay for one week. Shouldnt EC be taken to task for this considering some leaders have openly called for dual voting and names have been deleted from list.

I was also about to also say the same.The mark on the skin of my thumb is gone and I can easily scratch of the remaining on my nail(It is already half faded away)!

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 02 May 2014 16:13

well it came off completely 2 days later on my wife's nail

ashvin · Post by **ashvin** » 02 May 2014 16:21

prasannasimha wrote:
Singha wrote:

What happened here or is it photo shopped.Is it a schizophrenic bout.There are some grapevine talk of her mental instability and was this a schizoid episode if true ?

I have heard from someone (cannot corroborate) that she suffers from bi-polar disorder. Imagine the fate of nation in the hands of such a person. Like I said, I cannot corroborate this fact. For all you know it could be malicious or hearsay.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 May 2014 16:25

EC asks utube to take down video of shazia ilmi's 'be communal' speech but no action taken against her.

I am changing my wish for May 16. NDA should get enough to impeach this shameless CEC. anything less would be unfair to Indian democracy.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 02 May 2014 16:32

lets spread that youtube video, link ??

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 02 May 2014 16:34

Agnimitra wrote:Tunisia, Peru, Nigeria and now America to retrieve illegal money in Swiss banks: India?
Prosecutors in Washington are a few days away from criminally punishing two banks for hiding information about clients and account holders. While all eyes will be focused on this international case, this court action and others over the past 24 months are shaking the global banking and financial world in ways unknown earlier.

The decision to seek guilty pleas in what is seen as two of the most advanced investigations concerns the Swiss banking giant Credit Suisse for sheltering US citizens from American laws and France largest bank BNP Paribas for engaging in business with countries like Sudan which Washington has blacklisted. The decision – keenly watched on both sides of the Atlantic – could lead to a first guilty plea from a major bank in more than two decades.

The strategy is to punish bankers, not banks, a source in Geneva told The News Minute (TNM) following protests in the US asking if Wall Street was too big to fail because it had grown larger than the economy.

The US move comes fast on the heels of several countries retrieving their monies and assets illegally parked in Switzerland, a process that was set in motion some ten years ago and from which a host of countries have benefitted. Tunisia was the latest country to receive money and assets worth $40 million hidden away in Switzerland by deposed dictator Ben Ali.

In November 2013, US$700 million in Swiss bank accounts belonging to the late head of state General Sani Abacha was returned to Nigeria. The countries to which looted funds and assets have been returned are Peru (Montesinos case – 2005), the Philippines (Marcos case – 2003), Angola (2005) followed by several others in Europe including Germany.

In addition, the Swiss government also funded a civil society group to monitor the use of recovered monies in favour of a series of projects related to the country’s development.

Following the Arab Spring, nearly US $ 1.07 billion in stolen assets linked to dictators in four countries at the centre of the uprising – Egypt, Libya, Syria and Tunisia – were blocked. Two hours after Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak announced his resignation on February 11, 2011. In a detailed statement explaining their swift action on Mubarak’s wealth, the Swiss government said the Restitution of Illicit Assets Act (RIAA) which was enacted in February 2011 allowed the government to freeze money and assets before they fled.

All this begs a question – if countries like Peru and Tunisia are able to work their way through the Swiss legal system, why is India unable to do anything? Is the shoe on the other foot i.e. is India unwilling to officially find out what it has officiously known for at least a decade?

Figures about how much money from India – either evading tax or the result of criminal activities – are hard to come by and vary between US$1.3 trillion to US$2 billion. Last week Finance Minister P. Chidambaram said talks between Bern New Delhi were serious and continuous. “This is a matter where the Swiss Minister and I are discussing with each other how information into specific account (relating to black money) can be provided by the Swiss government to Indian government.”

In his two page letter to Switzerland in March 2014, Chidambaram had threatened to drag the country to multilateral for a like the G-20 for “continuing to block India’s request.”

The G-20 is a toothless organization of economic interests and the group had no international negotiating mandate in any country. In addition some of the G-20 countries have already retrieved their monies and assets from Switzerland so Chidambaram’s statement has impressed no one.

It may be recalled that l’affaire Bofors led to Swiss laws for mutual assistance in criminal matters to be strengthened barring criminals and other offenders from blocking cases in various Swiss courts before a final decision at the federal level.

Swiss Federal Police in a statement issued in January 1997 said,”The Bofors is a spectacular case which showed the weaknesses in Swiss law in matters of international assistance in penal matters." The office further said that in future the Swiss laws would be revised to prevent illegal and criminal account holders from delaying matters in Swiss courts.

For 24 years since New Delhi approached Switzerland to trace the Bofors bribes, successive governments have failed to retrieve illegal and criminal money deposited in Swiss banks. The moot question is not why governments have failed. The critical question is why Indian systems have failed.

Justice is not vengeance – that’s the message coming out of Wall Street and over the next few days the world of banking and finance will itself be in the witness box

This was posted a few pages back. Must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxmMeX ... e=youtu.be

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 May 2014 16:37

krishnan wrote:lets spread that youtube video, link ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVVpkp0I7xE

uploader has other important videos too. best to save all since it's likely cong would ban his channel.

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 02 May 2014 16:52

prasannasimha wrote:
arvin wrote:I voted a week back and the ink on my finger has begun to peel off. Whats the point of ink marking and at the same time stretching the election schedule for one month when the ink cant stay for one week. Shouldnt EC be taken to task for this considering some leaders have openly called for dual voting and names have been deleted from list.
I was also about to also say the same.The mark on the skin of my thumb is gone and I can easily scratch of the remaining on my nail(It is already half faded away)!

OT: It is easy to remove the ink by rubbing matchsticks on it. Comes out after 5-6 attempts. This trick used by many for re-voting in U.P /Bihar and elsewhere. Yours truly has seen this being done many times
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/shockin ... s/15259087

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 02 May 2014 17:27

As per Tweeter Modi going to Amethi on May 4. We can expect some fireworks

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 02 May 2014 17:36

^^ WOW! Modi is not going to leave this wretched DIEnasty alone! We can count on that

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 May 2014 17:38

apparently that's a rumour.

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 02 May 2014 17:47

vivek.rao wrote:^^ WOW! Modi is not going to leave this wretched DIEnasty alone! We can count on that

It looks like the plan is to go after Pappu and defeat him in Amethi, so that this moron does not enter Parliament at all.

The calculation probably is that Antonia will scrape through in Rae Bareli, but her days are numbered, fewer the better (Yamraj, i.e. "maut ka saudagar" is not cooperating). Actually neither Yamraj nor Yuvraj are cooperating with Antonia, so maybe no need is felt to go after the old shrew.

If the INC then tries to squeeze Bianca into parliament through a by-election, the BJP should field a strong candidate and ensure that the Trash Dynasty ends its political life in this generation.