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Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 02 Feb 2013 22:48
by ramana
Indian aid to Afghanistan is not wasted. Its the only aid that the people of Afghanistan benefit from. All the US aid is baksheesh and tribute to TSP and some of it recycled back to US eCONomy.
India should have a line item for aid to Afghanistan for their development.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 00:36
by RajeshA
Nothing wrong with Indian aid to Afghanistan, the only problem is either it is all reversible or the infrastructure would be used by India's enemies.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 03:36
by Prem
Taliban can be part of Afghanistan's future, says US envoy to Pak
http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetai ... -Pak-.html
Islamabad, Feb. 1 (ANI): US Ambassador to Pakistan, Richard Olson, has said the United States is ready to open the door for talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban, adding that the Afghan Taliban could be part of Afghanistan's future if they met conditions to ensure long-term peace and stability in the war-torn country.Olson said that the end result of any process must be that the Taliban end violence, break ties with Al-Qaeda and accept Afghanistan's Constitution, and if this happens, the Taliban can be a part of Afghanistan's future, reports The Express Tribune.Olson's remarks reiterated recent American emphasis on pursuing reconciliation in Afghanistan instead of its usual method of using military might.In this context, Olson said their new office in Qatar could be used for negotiations between the Afghan High Peace Council and representatives of the Taliban.Olson also called for the US and Pakistan to work together to facilitate a negotiated peace in Afghanistan. (ANI
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 19:38
by shyamd
Prize for #Afghanistan-#Pakistan talks at Chequers is jailed Taliban no2 Mullah Baradar. Kabul wants him freed to push Taliban to peace >>
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4h Jon Williams Jon Williams @WilliamsJon
Asked what's changed, Afghan & Western officials say Pakistan has changed: "Islamabad fears biggest threat to #Pakistan now inside Pakistan"
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4h Jon Williams Jon Williams @WilliamsJon
Senior Afghan official: "We want Mullah Baradar.. #Pakistan's support for peace process will result in success. No support means failure" >>
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 20:56
by abhishek_sharma
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 21:49
by ramana
Who is Jon Williams to hold forth on TSP and Taliban?
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 21:55
by anmol
ramana wrote:Who is Jon Williams to hold forth on TSP and Taliban?
BBC Foreign Editor
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 22:02
by ramana
Acharya wrote:RamaY wrote: At the same time, if you both were correct then India wasted $B in Afghanistan with its unnecessary non-military involvement.
This is non military and India should increase this. I also proposesed earlier that India should have its region inside AfPak and have 1 million Indian ( males) stationed inside Afgh and have few mil Indian travel to Afgh every year for the next 30 years. They should be only involed in trade, business, commerce, develpment etc
Afghanistan is a pre-modern society which saw some modernity for two decades under coup by Daoud and again was kidnapped back into the pre-modern world sort of Reconquista in reverse during the Taliban.
They need prosperity to dream again. Its altruistic to spend the money instead of lining the Indian politicians pockets in Swiss banks. And this is an Indian interest.
So agree that they should get a set amount of funds without strings.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 22:10
by RamaY
^ if you say so Ramanaji.
Can India continue such projects even in a Taliban ruled Afghanistan? Will Taliban allow GoI to build roads, power stations, dams, factories, schools and hospitals? Even if they do, will they help afghans or Taliban power system? Should GoI do all these while having Afghan-Taliban visit us in future 11/26?
All this non-military aid made sense only in non-Taliban Afghanistan. What I am saying is in such a non-Taliban Afghanistan, it would have helped both Indian and afghan interests if India extended its influence to military realms and build sufficient logistic and military bases, then we could have avoided a Talibani-Afghanistan now.
Altruism is dharmic if and only if it leads to a dharmic outcome. When altruism empowers the Asurics, then it becomes Jijya.
GoI lost a golden opportunity because GoI under MMS lost balls, mind, self-identity and self-respect.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 22:14
by ramana
Go back to Chanakya when he was student and fed honey to the kusa grass field.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 03 Feb 2013 22:36
by kish
These kinds of cases are exception not a rule. People know what his NATO compatriots do with dead enemies (like pizzing on dead-bodies, taking away the organs as trophies) and how they treat the prisoners.
He cleverly associates the Veteran's suicide to guilt of killing civilians. In reality the US veterans are duped big time, frauds swivel away their "pension fund" causing rampant increase in veteran's suicide.
IMHO, This article is good example of "psy-ops". Their troops draw-down plan is getting shape, they wanted to show how good and well mannered their armed forces are.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 04 Feb 2013 16:14
by SSridhar
Afghan Peace Meet in the UK -
The Hindu
London: Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari and his Afghan counterpart Hamid Karzai are to hold talks called by Prime Minister David Cameron here on Monday to discuss the peace process with the focus on preventing a Taliban resurgence after the withdrawal of western troops from Afghanistan next year.
The two leaders were due to meet Mr. Cameron over dinner on Sunday which would also be attended by their Foreign Ministers and intelligence chiefs.
Downing Street said Monday’s “summit’’ would bring together key figures from both the political and security establishments of the two countries.
“Discussions are expected to focus on the Afghan-led peace process and how the Pakistanis and international community can support it. We also expect the Afghans and Pakistanis to make further progress on the Strategic Partnership Agreement they committed to in September,” said a spokesperson.
The question is if it is to prevent a resurgence of the Taliban or to find a face-saving and safe exit for Western forces and generally leaving Af-Pak and the region to dogs after 2014. I suspect the latter. A facade is being built now so that the western forces would not have to face the moral responsibility for the mess.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 04 Feb 2013 16:22
by RajeshA
USA/UK have a difficult time making Pakistan (a major culprit) the scapegoat for their losing Afghanistan. After all they need Pakistan's "good offices" for the "flight".
That makes "face saving" cumbersome!
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 04 Feb 2013 16:40
by RamaY
ramana wrote:Go back to Chanakya when he was student and fed honey to the kusa grass field.
I hope it is the Kusa grass the modern chanikiyas feeding their honey to.
Anyways I said what I wanted to.
Lets see what (pleasant) surprises 2014 will bring both within and outside Bharat
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 04 Feb 2013 23:15
by RSoami
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 338160.cms
India-takes-dim-view-of-British-bid-to-broker-Af-Pak-strategic-pact
Strange piece of news.
What difference is it going to make. The British/Americans havent realised it as yet. Its the relations on ground between ethnicities that will matter more than this Afghanistan-Pakistan naatak. The Durand line didnt hold up. That should ve taught the British something.
The future of Afghanistan will not be decided by Afghan govt. but by the Taliban , the Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks.
There is certainly a lesson in it for the Indians though. But we never learn.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 04 Feb 2013 23:35
by abhishek_sharma
Rajiv Chandrashekaran writes in his book "Little America" that in the Af-Pak region, there is a tradition/history of having inappropriate relations with young boys. They use the term "bachha-bazi" for this practice.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 05 Feb 2013 00:25
by member_22872
^^^ Yes sometime back there was a documentary made on bachcha-bazi ...found, here:
The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 06 Feb 2013 17:17
by RajeshA
I think it is time we start beating the drums that AfPak is America's Second Vietnam! America lost the war to ISI.
No amount of cooperation from Pakistan should allow Americans to walk off AfPak without their honor in tatters. John Kerrorist and Sucker Hagel would be paying the victors - the ISI further war reparations to spare them some of the dishonor.
It may bolster the pride of ISI a bit, but what the heck ....
So here it is:
AMERICA LOST AFPAK WAR TO ISI!
Everybody should hear of this!
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 06 Feb 2013 19:17
by Aditya_V
What they don't understand is Abduls will now think USA is beatable and really go for it in US Homeland. TSP is desperately trying to divert this on India.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 06 Feb 2013 20:08
by RoyG
Aditya_V wrote:What they don't understand is Abduls will now think USA is beatable and really go for it in US Homeland. TSP is desperately trying to divert this on India.
America is too far and their counter intelligence and counter terrorism architecture is very strong. India is currently a weak state in close proximity that was historically able to overcome islamic colonialism. they will come to india. TSP doesn't need to desperately do much of anything.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 07 Feb 2013 02:59
by shyamd
Return to Kashmir: LeT seeks Afghan camps as US pulls out
India’s long-standing concerns that a US military withdrawal from Afghanistan could lead to an increase in terrorist activity by the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) received some confirmation with reports of LeT cadre moving into Afghanistan for bases.
There are worrying reports of LeT
cadres moving towards Kunar and Nuristan provinces in eastern Afghanistan, looking for bases that would provide them an independent base for training and collection.
Pakistani militant groups carried out a similar strategy of being based in Afghanistan and attacking Indian Kashmir from there when the Taliban government ruled Kabul in the 1980s.
This will be the first time since a US cruise missile attacked four al Qaeda and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen terror training camps in Khost on August 20, 1998 that anti-India groups have again started to take shelter in Afghanistan.
The security ramifications of the US pullout from Afghanistan for India and the region were debated during a brainstorming session at the highest levels of the UPA government last month.
PM Manmohan Singh was particularly concerned about its fallout on the country’s internal security, particularly the situation in Kashmir.
Multi-pronged strategies were worked out to try and firewall India from pan-Islamic jihadists after the pressure from the US’s precision drone attacks and Special Forces raids eases off along the Durand Line.
There was also discussion on how to protect New Delhi’s interests in Kabul.
In October 2010, during his official visit, the then CIA director Leon Panetta had for the first time communicated to New Delhi about the movement of LeT cadres towards southern and eastern Afghanistan.
At that time, the input was noted but not considered actionable due to the lack of any substantive evidence.
India also believed that there were serious ideological differences between LeT and Taliban, with the former ascribing to the Ahle-e-Hadith school of Islam and the latter being Deobandi followers.
There was also the confessions of the LeT terrorist David Coleman Headley, the scout for the 26/11 Mumbai attack, who disclosed that the ISI did not want Hafiz Saeed’s group to be involved in Afghan operations against US troops.
Headley gave specific examples of Syed Abdur Rehman Hashim, the father of the so-called Karachi Project that was aimed at India, and the Khurram brothers, who were thrown out of the LeT after they tried to shift the terrorist organisation’s targets from the Radcliffe Line to those across the Durand.
A part of the internal security establishment still believes there can be no operational unity between LeT, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban due to serious ideological differences between the Punjabi and Afghan groups.
But there is now evidence that some 600 LeT cadres are seeking shelter and setting up bases just across from the Pakistan border, well inside Taliban territory.
After increasing electronic and spatial evidence, India’s counterterror experts believe that pressure from the ISI, combined with generous funding, have led both sides to override their theological differences for the time being.
The assessment of India’s intelligence agencies is that the LeT will once again try to target Kashmir as the US walks out of Afghanistan next year.
“This move will give the Pakistan state much needed deniability from Lashkar strikes in India as well as give strategic option to their handlers to either push towards Kabul in order to destabilise the government in power or hit at India. After the foreign forces have left, these groups will only fight to implement sharia in Afghanistan. India will again become a frontline state,” said a senior official.
New Delhi has already sensitised key players like the US, Afghanistan, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Tajikistan about its concerns.
It has noted with concern how Western powers seem to once again be going soft on Pakistan’s sponsorship of terror groups, presumably in return for support for the attempts at rapprochement between the Taliban and the Hamid Karzai government.
Even though a relative newcomer into the Afghan game, China is also worried about jihadists crossing into its Xinjiang-Uighur region through Afghanistan’s Wakhan corridor.
New Delhi has asked Saudi Arabia to make efforts to delegitimise violence in the name of Islam.
“As a custodian of the two Holy Mosques, Saudi Arabian government should make efforts to stop radicalisation of youth through internet and engage them to give the correct interpretation of Islam through either a website or dialogue with the clerics... or else every suicide bomber would continue dreaming about the virgins in heaven,” said a senior official.
Seeing the Saudis as a major influence in the AfPak region, New Delhi is using its new found closeness with Riyadh to pitch for peace in Kabul and weed out radicalisation in the region.
India worries that it will see a return to the state of play before 2001. The US Afghan pullout will take place at the same time as the J&K assembly elections in 2014. With US drone strikes dropping off and US soldiers no longer on the ground, militants could return to their traditional battleground: Kashmir and the Line of Control.
With less than two years to go before the pullout, New Delhi plans to push for a new political initiative in the Valley and has ordered the Indian Army to keep temperatures along the LoC at a low level
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Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 07 Feb 2013 03:09
by ramana
Total dumbass article. Reason is the LeT is re-grouping in Afghanistan to get safe haven from India not to attack US troops. So there is unity of purpose against India between the Taliban and LeT. So what does their being Ahle had shi* and the others being salas*it got to do with it?
And relying on Daoud Gilani for information about terrorists controlled by TSPA which is controlled by US!
If that is the govt position then they deserve what they are getting.
It was MMS that foreclosed all Indian options admitted to non-existent presence in Balochistan and did his best to allow the rise of Paki terrorists by going on aappeasement overdrive. Worse he has surrounded himself with nameless rascals* who pooh-pooh all threats and question every action. And instead of asking Saudi Barbaria to rein in the jihadis he should have the Shahi Imam give ruling as the problem is Indian Muslims. Why does that fool official want the KSA to meddle?Its oil money that gives KSA the clout over Muslims and not due to the cusodian of two mosques nonsense. Everyone knows how pious they are despite being the cusodians!
* He has to first get rid of that clique. They are national insecurity advisers!
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 07 Feb 2013 03:11
by svinayak
THis is a planted article and lot of assumption is made.
THi is a psy ops article
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 07 Feb 2013 04:20
by brihaspati
But what is there to worry about with LeT moving to AFG? The Saudis have been pouring dough to build spectacular mosques in AFG. Our defense relations with the Gulf, the investments being made from the Gulf end into India - which in turn therefore will automatically be in the interest of the Gulf countries to protect - should take care of the Afghan LeT problem? Or maybe we are not doing enough to show our faith in the kingdoms? More concessions, appeasements, more opportunity to develop the madrassahs, and more visits by Saudi clerics will help?
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 07 Feb 2013 04:43
by SSridhar
I, for one, do not understand GoI's assessment of 'serious ideological differences' between the LeT and the Taliban. History does not bear evidence to that. In fact, it bears evidence to the contrary.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 07 Feb 2013 04:53
by ramana
Ss, They are hanging their hat on Ahle Hadith L-e- Pigs and Wahabi/Deobandi Taliban. Offcourse visavis India there is no difference. And on Daoud Gilani's disinformation. Who in his right mind will hang on ot a convicted felon's words! Besides this guy lied to everyone he was related to. Will he tell truth to these guys who cant verify it anyway? He will tell some stuff that will make them feel good and not bad for having slept on the job and never detected so many of his surviellance visits to Mumbai.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 07 Feb 2013 06:43
by brihaspati
Have serious doubts about desh intel where the hostile neighbours are concerned: they always seem to get info that turns out in the end to have been aligned to serving British or US interests in the issue.
The myth of Talib LeT ideological differences are aligned to the UK-US axis's need to rehabilitate the Talebs. Everything will be done for some time now to legitimize and whitewash the Talebs to an extent. There can be and will be differences within the Islamic jihad on various issues. But they usually make common cause where the infidel is concerned. Also such a propaganda protects Paki establishment from any association - after all LeT has moved to AFG!
All the jihadi forces in the AFPAK region collaborate with each other. It doesn't have to be a conscious decision at the leadership level. Its the real practical ground situation where the same clans/groups/social levels will turn to jihad. They may join different groups out of circumstances, local disputes, power struggles - but the very fact of their common local existence also means there are always lines of communication and collaboration open.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 08 Feb 2013 00:06
by anmol
US in contact with Taliban representatives in Qatar: Reports
Thu Feb 7, 2013 2:27PM
Afghan media reports say the United States is in contact with the Taliban in Qatar to persuade the militant group to sit at the negotiating table with the Afghan government.
The talks are aimed at pushing the Taliban toward a negotiated agreement with Kabul as Washington tries to prepare the ground for the withdrawal of its troops from Afghanistan, Weesa daily cited political analyst, Vahid Mojdeh, as saying.
The US-Taliban talks formally started in January 2012, but the militants left the negotiating table in March, citing Washington’s failure to fulfill the conditions for peace negotiations to proceed.
On Monday, Karzai, British Prime Minister David Cameron and Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari concluded trilateral talks held in London and vowed to work to reach a peace deal within six months.
In a statement, the leaders also voiced support for the opening of an office in the Qatari capital, Doha, for the Taliban to hold talks. They also urged the militants to join the reconciliation process in Afghanistan.
Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid, however, on Wednesday dismissed the London talks and said the conference and other “horse trading” were “the real obstacles of effective and fruitful negotiations between the factual sides.”
The Taliban have repeatedly refused to negotiate directly with the Western-backed government of President Hamid Karzai, demanding that any negotiations be held between the militants and the United States.
Meanwhile, Karzai and Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg have inked an agreement on strategic partnership between Norway and Afghanistan.
Under the deal signed on Tuesday, Norway will continue to provide development assistance, and the Afghan authorities will intensify their efforts in the areas of human rights, women’s rights, improving governance and combating corruption.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 09 Feb 2013 20:39
by shyamd
Outgoing US Commander in #Afghanistan says zero option for troops 2014+ "not feasible. John Allen tells #BBC suggestion "not on the table."
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 09 Feb 2013 20:56
by RajeshA
shyamd wrote:Outgoing US Commander in #Afghanistan says zero option for troops 2014+ "not feasible. John Allen tells #BBC suggestion "not on the table."
Does that mean there are going to be zero American troops in Afghanistan post 2014 pullout?
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 09 Feb 2013 22:23
by ramana
On the contrary it means they want a small presence in Afghanistan post 2014. It means Blackwill Plan B in effect.
On the other hand it means they want to protect the TSP from India entering Kabul.
RajeshA, This smacks of Phillipos being left as a satrap after Alexander's retreat.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 10 Feb 2013 00:45
by Prem
Its multi edged Knife aimed at the region and surrounding nations. OTOH, it buys us good time to concentrate on removing our many ground weaknesses.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 10 Feb 2013 02:21
by RajeshA
ramana wrote:On the contray it means they want a small presence in Afghanistan post 2014. It means balckwill Plan B in effect.
If that is the case, we will have to see how it plays out. We did have scenarios earlier on.
ramana wrote:On the other hand it means they want to protect the TSP from India entering Kabul.
RajeshA, This smacks of Eudemus being left as a satrap after Alexander's retreat.
Unless they mean India wants to enter Afghanistan through Iran, otherwise I don't know how! I fear that post-2014, Indian presence and influence in Afghanistan is going to rapidly fall to zero. Iran is not going to cooperate much, and all the mining rights we have bought for Hajigak in Afghanistan are not going to mean much. TSP does not need USA to kick us out of Afghanistan post-2014. They are going to own the place, at least the Pushtun Southeastern Afghanistan.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 10 Feb 2013 13:59
by shyamd
Local media quoting officials:wounded Afghan spy chief Asadullah #Khalid will return back to #Afghanistan from #US in 2 weeks time.
@WilliamsJon: US spending >$50bn in #Afghanistan but Karzai absent from Allen/Dunford handover. In DC, #SecDef urged him to "show some gratitude". Hmmm...
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 10 Feb 2013 20:39
by nvishal
Having a military base on foreign soil is an asset. Only strategic partners give another country that right.
This is a list of countries the US has military bases in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... tary_bases
So yes, the US will hold and maintain few bases in afghanistan post withdrawal.
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India does not have a military presence in afghanistan. The US ensures that india does not get that advantage. That's one of the gains pakistan gets from its relationship with the US. India could have gotten into a military pact with the karzai govt and the pakistanis couldn't have done anything about it but karzai cannot lift a finger unless the americans say so.
It's like this:
*(1)If afghanistan gets a taliban govt then india cannot have a relationship with afghanistan
*(2)If afghanistan gets a civilian govt then it can invite india into the afghanistan landscape and that is going to cause strategic issues for pakistan. So it is in pakistans interest to disrupt the afghan civilian govt. Or atleast, get the americans to keep india out of afghanistan post withdrawal.
At the present, pakistan is using both (1) and (2). The amercans can't let (1) happen because that will give the militants a scope to plot attacks on american soil. At the same time, (2) is not possible without pakistans help. Here, "pakistans help" simply points to its covert military and financial support to the militants.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 10 Feb 2013 23:29
by RoyG
India wouldn't have been able to maintain a military presence in Afghanistan given the weak regime in Delhi and because of the Taliban and other Islamists groups which are essentially an extension of the Pakistan Army. You speak as though there are options for Afghanistan. There simply isn't.
It's like this:
(1) Taliban are coming to power in Afghanistan.
(2) Even if there is some sort of power sharing agreement, the Islamists with the backing of PA will eventually rule the roost.
(3) American's could care less about Afghanistan now and Islamists elements will not be traveling to the other side of the planet to carry out terror attacks. What would they gain by doing so anyway?
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 11 Feb 2013 01:56
by Prem
The fact that Turds were the Vicholas , we can rule out any thing favourable to India post 2014 /post killing filed Afghanistan under Talibans.Specially true if seen in the light of n present Indian ruling dispensation's inertia.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 11 Feb 2013 13:24
by nvishal
@RoyG
You're looking at the islamists as one single entity but they aren't. The PA, the pakistani taliban and the afghan taliban have a common enemy(the united states) but in the absence of the americans, the two locals re-initiate hegemonic ambitions against each other.
Post american withdrawal, the civilian afghan govt will remain and they will continue to be boosted.
My assumption is that the civilian govt will be able to buy and incorporate the afghan fighters within them and this is going to leave the pakistanis without any exploit. Expect increased shelling incidents on afghan-pakistani borders.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 11 Feb 2013 17:47
by RoyG
nvishal wrote:@RoyG
You're looking at the islamists as one single entity but they aren't. The PA, the pakistani taliban and the afghan taliban have a common enemy(the united states) but in the absence of the americans, the two locals re-initiate hegemonic ambitions against each other.
Post american withdrawal, the civilian afghan govt will remain and they will continue to be boosted.
My assumption is that the civilian govt will be able to buy and incorporate the afghan fighters within them and this is going to leave the pakistanis without any exploit. Expect increased shelling incidents on afghan-pakistani borders.
I'm not looking at the Islamists as one single entity. In the case of the Taliban, calling them good, bad, afghan, or pakistani does not take away the ideological purity of any of them. Do they have a history of hegemonic ambitions against each other? Considering how both are predominantly Pashtun, many of the leaders of both have safe houses in the border areas of Pakistan and are being shielded and backed by the ISI, both cannot deviate too much from PA ambitions.
Let me ask you one thing, do you honestly believe the civilian gov is competent to take on a full fledged proxy war being waged against it by the PA? If the Taliban bloodied the Yanks enough to force them to withdraw, the corrupt civilian authority doesn't stand a chance.
Your "assumption" that they will be able to magically purchase afghan fighters is just like your idea of the Taliban traveling to the other side of the world to attack the United States...It's simply ridiculous. They are pre-partying and are negotiating from a position of strength, not weakness.
Re: Af-Pak -> Pak-Af Watch
Posted: 12 Feb 2013 00:04
by Prem
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Sou ... -treatment
Afghans flock to India for infertility treatment
New Delhi’s Press Enclave Road represents the city’s complex mix of communities like no other: One side boasts an enormous modern shopping mall featuring the Hard Rock Cafe and Zara; the other, a string of eateries advertising Afghan rice dishes and chemist signs in Dari, one of Afghanistan’s main languages.It is a sign of the impact of the city’s newest migrant community one block away from one of Delhi’s largest private hospitals, Max. The hospital, like others in the capital, is finding a new market in medical tourism from the war-torn neighbor.The city already has a sizeable Afghan community – long-term residents, refugees, students – but over the past five years a steady trickle of visitors seeking healthcare has grown into a flood. Now, some large hospitals catering to foreign patients are finding that up to a third of them are from Afghanistan.
Some are catering almost exclusively to Afghans, while others are working to make their services more accessible to the community. The colossal Apollo Hospital in the city’s southwest has translators on staff, a website in Dari, and even a separate payment desk for Afghans."All the good doctors in Afghanistan have migrated, nobody wants to invest there," says Dheerendra Singh Tomar, an Indian who runs a private hospital in Delhi catering to patients from Afghanistan and other developing countries. "Medical tourism from Afghanistan is bringing a lot of money to India.”One of these is Ziyarmal Arass, who came to the city a year ago for in vitro fertilization (IVF) treatment along with his wife, and stayed on for the recent birth of his baby girl. “India is a good place for this, it’s not as expensive as other countries and Pakistan’s health care is not good,” says the 25-year-old Kabul businessman. “I was nervous about coming to Delhi but when I arrived I found many other Afghans in my neighborhood, good food and weather.”With the cost of IVF treatment in an upscale hospital costing as much as $3,000, it is clearly only a real option for Afghanistan’s upper income earners. The per capital GDP in Afghanistan is $589 compared with India’s $1,514.