West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2015 09:40

Trump just neutralized that line of thought.

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 16 Dec 2015 10:28

How? I missed today's debate.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Dec 2015 15:52

saudis are discovering the limitations of the training they have received to operate the shiny toys they bought
not to mention the deep C4I capabilities that you really need to deploy anything effectively
shouting a-o-a and driving around in a dabba will get your mush toasted regardless of how expensive the dabba is

the big airbases in saudi have kept various western contractors afloat for decades, its all state of the art gear - but ultimately, without the C4I its just concrete and steel targets

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 16 Dec 2015 16:14

Hunter being hunted- Gunmen kidnap at least 26 Qatari hunters in Iraqi desert near border with Saudi Arabia, Iraqi officials say.

Looks like the Bakis lost out on what could have been a great revenue source from Houbara busting.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Dec 2015 16:24

shia militia's goatnapping qatari emirs?

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 16 Dec 2015 16:50

This is approximately where it happened.

Code: Select all

Unnamed Rd
Samawah, Iraq
31.320231, 45.277490

Quite a comprehensive operation it seems.

Gunmen have kidnapped at least 26 Qatari hunters in a desert area of Iraq near the Saudi border, officials say.

The attackers were driving "about 50" four-wheel drive vehicles when they swept into the hunters' camp at dawn on Wednesday, an Iraqi source told the BBC's Arabic service.

They struck in the Layyah area, 130km south of Samawa, after arriving from Nasiriya province, the source said.

A wide-scale search has been launched for the attackers, police say.

Funnily enough is the silence on al Jazeera 45 minutes after the earliest breaking news.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Dec 2015 18:32

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/15/mys ... -in-yemen/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Dec 2015 18:36

http://www.dawn.com/news/1226723/

Pakistan surprised by its inclusion in 34-nation military alliance
BAQIR SAJJAD SYED — UPDATED ABOUT 7 HOURS AGO

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan found itself in the crosshairs of Middle Eastern politics on Tuesday as Saudi Arabia named it as part of its newly formed 34-nation military alliance of Muslim countries meant to combat terrorism, without first getting its consent.

Talking to journalists, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said he was surprised to read the news that Saudi Arabia had named Pakistan as part of the alliance.

He said he had asked the country’s ambassador in Riyadh to get a clarification from Saudi Arabia on the matter.

Another senior official also confirmed that Pakistan was not consulted before inclusion in the alliance.

In a statement on Tuesday, the Saudi government surprised many countries by announcing that it had forged a coalition for coordinating and supporting military operations against terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan. The headquarters of the new Saudi-led coalition would be based in Riyadh.

This is not the first time that Saudi Arabia has named Pakistan as part of its military alliances without Islamabad’s knowledge and consent. The Saudis earlier named Pakistan as part of the coalition that carried out operations in Yemen and a Pakistani flag was displayed at the alliance’s media centre.

Pakistan later declined to join the Yemen war.

It is Pakistani government’s policy that it will not deploy its troops outside the country’s borders except for UN peacekeeping missions.

In the past Pakistan has twice rejected US calls for joining alliances against the militant Islamic State (IS) group on the same pretext.

“We are not looking for any involvement outside our region,” army spokesman Lt Gen Asim Bajwa had said last month while replying to a question about the possibility of Pakistan becoming part of a US-led coalition against IS.

It is unclear how Riyadh went ahead with announcing Pakistan’s participation in the new alliance. It is also difficult to speculate if Islamabad will change its policy because of its close ties with the kingdom.

Pakistan, however, has counter-terrorism cooperation with Saudi Arabia.

The IS operations and activities across the Middle East have led to military responses executed by alliances that most of the time rival each other. Syria has been battling IS and other militants with the help of Iran and Russia.

The US, which is supporting groups trying to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is meanwhile leading another alliance against IS.

Iran has led military efforts along with the Iraqi army and volunteers in the fight against IS in Iraq. The US-led alliance has been supporting the ground operations against IS with their air strikes.

Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2015

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2015 20:37

^^^ Can name them KSA's COU Coalition of the Unwilling or Unwashed (as they take bath on Friday only)

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Dec 2015 21:04

sounds like a ploy to line up the pro-sunni states into an anti-shia alliance

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Dec 2015 04:04

COuW.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 07:52

its no different than a sunni splinter group of OIC. if the saudis hope to line up unwilling people like TSP for their wars, they are mistaken...TSP is way too clever and seasoned to fall for it.

but perhaps more hard up smaller nations in need for cash (for their ruling elites and militias) might agree to send troops to places like yemen, this org makes it easier than individual recruiters and contracts specific to countries. think west africa - gabon has already declared itself a moderate islamic state to reap the windfall.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 17 Dec 2015 08:14

According to the all knowing wiki the saudis had 7 lafayette class french built frigates equipped with 76 mm gun, aster SAMs, exocet missiles and a helicopter. all built in 2002 to 2006.

also:

4 badr class corvettes built in the US in the early '80s. no helicopter, too small.

9 patrol boats.

not much of a navy,

they were going to buy an aegis class destroyer but it never came to fruition.

a little birdie tells me that they be looking to up grade their anti-BMD weapons or entire ships there of.

if they don't run out of money.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 17 Dec 2015 08:30

What 10 ships did saudis loose? It can't be any of the lafayettes or al- madinah class. Its difficult to hide the sinking of these many ships. Could just be mental masturbation by the iranians. Though if they lost that many ships they can always buy half a dozen LCS.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Dec 2015 10:27

It must've been some bumboats they hired from someone else. Catch them using their nay in "harm's way"!

Poor Pakis,don't they know that the Soothis think that they own the Pakis? After all,the dear Sherrif of Pak,the dummy sherrif,nawaz by name has so much of his moolah in Barbaria and once was given refuge there?

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Dec 2015 10:30

Lebanon & Indonesia say they were not consulted before being made part of 34-nution coalition.

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/676818295425757184
https://twitter.com/Yo666i/status/677063856322043904

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 10:35

I dont think the houthis have managed to hit a single major ship yet. thats a busy waterway and the evidence of a large ship being sunk or damaged and towed back to port would be hard to hide.

potentially some improvised coastal gunboats from aden trying to close houthi arms traffic could have been hit...

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Dec 2015 12:08

'I started the Arab Spring. Now death is everywhere, and extremism blooming'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... oming.html

Faida Hamdy confiscated a vegetable stall in Tunisia five years ago today. Neither she nor the rest of the world could have imagined the consequences

Tunisian municipal officer Faida Hamdy Photo: AFP
By Radhouane Addala in Sidi Bouzeid and Richard Spencer, Middle East Editor

6:00AM GMT 17 Dec 2015

It is hardly surprising that when Faida Hamdy wonders whether she is responsible for everything that happened after her moment of fame she is overwhelmed.

Mrs Hamdy was the council inspector who, five years ago today confiscated the vegetable stall of a street vendor in her dusty town in central Tunisia.

In despair, that young man set himself on fire in a protest outside the council offices. Within weeks, he was dead, dozens of young Arab men had copied him, riots had overthrown his president, and the Arab Spring was under way.

As the world marks the anniversary, Syria and Iraq are in flames, Libya has broken down, and the twin evils of militant terror and repression stalk the region.

Demonstrators face Egyptian police forces in the streets leading to Tahrir SquareDemonstrators face Egyptian police forces in the streets leading to Tahrir Square Photo: Julian Simmonds?The Telegraph

“Sometimes I wish I’d never done it,” Mrs Hamdy told The Telegraph, in her only interview to mark the occasion.

Hers is a voice that has been rarely heard: the family of the young man, Mohammed Bouazizi, became unwilling celebrities in the weeks after his lingering death, but a nervous regime arrested Mrs Hamdy when the protests began.

By the time she was acquitted of all charges and released, President Zine el-Abedine Ben Ali had fallen, and media attention was focused on Egypt, Libya and Syria.

“I feel responsible for everything,” she went on. Her voice was shaky as she spoke of the traumatic consequences, five years that have transformed the Middle East but seemingly changed very little in poor, provincial towns like Sidi Bouzeid.

“Sometimes, I blame myself and say it is all because of me. I made history since I was the one who was there and my action contributed to it but look at us now. Meanwhile, Tunisians are suffering as always.”

Mohammed Bouazizi’s death triggered some deep nerve in the Arab world. Many myths were told about his own story and that of Mrs Hamdy, as there were about the nature of subsequent uprisings and downfalls, but there remains a basic truth underlying his experience and that of many others.

Demonstrators turn over a burned out car after reclaiming the side streets near Tahrir SquareDemonstrators turn over a burned out car after reclaiming the side streets near Tahrir Square Photo: Julian Simmonds/The Telegraph

Corruption, stifling bureaucracy, and repressive police states were holding back a largely youthful population across the region, and their victims had little way to make their frustrations felt other than extreme actions.

Subsequent studies found that self-immolation had already become a common act in Tunisia, accounting already for 15 per cent of all burns cases in Tunis hospitals. Within six months, more than 100 Tunisians had followed suit, and scores more around the Arab world, from Morocco to Saudi Arabia and Iraq, had also set themselves on fire.

Still, not many observers could have imagined the chaos that would ensue, even when Mr Ben Ali gave way to weeks of protest and boarded a plane for Saudi Arabia with his wife and a large chunk of the country’s gold reserves.

Next Hosni Mubarak of Egypt went, after 18 days of telegenic demonstrations in Cairo’s Tahrir Square. Then Col Muammar Gaddafi was forced out, after protests turned into civil war and then international war, with the West’s air forces joining in.

By the time he was bayoneted and shot in October 2011, Syria was in flames, and the West was starting to vacillate about its role, with effects that can still be seen today. Libya, Syria and much of Iraq remain failed states. Egypt is on the brink.

In the process a social uprising had turned into a conflict between Islamism, part peaceful, part violent, and secular governments and politicians; and then between religious sects, as Sunni and Shia turned on each other.

Despite Mrs Hamdy’s despair at the poverty that remains in Tunisia, the country is still seen as the sole success. It has had two general elections in the years since, with a moderate Islamist party, Ennahda, winning the first, before stepping into opposition in the face of an alliance between secular parties that included members of the former regime last year.

"When I look at the region and my country, I regret it all. Death everywhere and extremism blooming, and killing beautiful souls"
Faida Hamdy

Much of that is down to a deal negotiated by Rached Ghannouchi, Ennahda’s head, who agreed to give up power despite the party’s electoral strength.

He told The Telegraph this week that he and his colleagues had decided to compromise after considering fundamental issues of what democracy meant.

“Majoritarian rule, 50 per cent of the vote, is not sufficient,” he said. He said he had always known, from the start of Tunisia’s political “transition”, that he would have to seek alliances, and in the first government Ennahda ruled alongside a centre-left secular party.

“We thought having a government with a majority would be enough,” he said. “Then we realised we needed more: we needed consensus.”

The difference between Tunisia and Egypt here is stark. While, as he points out, Egypt, Syria and Iraq are all more complex and difficult countries than Tunisia, the fact remains that Ennahda downplayed Islamist demands when the country drew up a constitution, the resulting document winning 94 per cent of the votes in the country’s constitutional assembly.

In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, which won the presidency by 52 per cent to 48 per cent, tried to force through an Islamist constitution by decree. It was toppled by a coup seven months later.

Syria and Libya, meanwhile, appear not to know the meaning of the word consensus.

Mr Ghannouchi, perhaps oddly, is still optimistic about the future of democracy in the Arab world. “The year 2011 was a leap from tyranny in the Arab world,” he said. “History shows that the transition to democracy is not always linear – the transitions that took place in France and Britain took over 100 years.”

"My brother is a lover of life and he would have rejected both the stupid politicians and death-loving extremists"
Samia Bouazizi

Whether the Arab world can last that long is another question. Mr Bouazizi’s family, whose initial fame turned to hostility in their community, could not: his mother and one sister moved to Canada, while another, Samia, now works in Tunis. She is the first to say that her brother’s death has been hijacked by politics and ideology.

“His death is destiny and I accept it,” she said at a café in the city. “But if he were here he would be the first in the street to ask for more dignity.

“My brother created something that greedy people are trying to destroy in the region. My brother is a lover of life and he would have rejected both the stupid politicians and death-loving extremists. My brother died for dignity not for wealth or an ideology.”

At the end of all the wars, few may end up remembering either him or Mrs Hamdy. The two began at opposite sides, but both now seem telescoped out of proportion by a history that became perverse beyond all recognition.

“Mohammed Bouazizi and I are both victims,” Mrs Hamdy said. “He lost his life and my life is not the same any more.

“When I look at the region and my country, I regret it all. Death everywhere and extremism blooming, and killing beautiful souls.”

kit · Post by **kit** » 17 Dec 2015 12:46

Seems like Sheikh Al Maktoum of Dubai and second in line was killed in Yemen and not of a heart attack as originally reported ..and another prince of UAE is now in a wheel chair having lost both legs !!

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 17 Dec 2015 17:52

It seems that numerous nations don't want to part of 34 nation "Terrorist Protection Force".

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Dec 2015 18:06

Coalition of the Con-Slutted. (CoCs):eek:

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2015 18:30

kit wrote:Seems like Sheikh Al Maktoum of Dubai and second in line was killed in Yemen and not of a heart attack as originally reported ..and another prince of UAE is now in a wheel chair having lost both legs !!

source link?

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 17 Dec 2015 18:35

kit wrote:Seems like Sheikh Al Maktoum of Dubai and second in line was killed in Yemen and not of a heart attack as originally reported ..and another prince of UAE is now in a wheel chair having lost both legs !!

Kit what's the source of this? And which prince? This would be a watershed.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Dec 2015 23:03

Singha wrote:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1226723/
PIran has led military efforts along with the Iraqi army and volunteers in the fight against IS in Iraq. The US-led alliance has been supporting the ground operations against IS with their air strikes.Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2015

Coalition of the Holy Abbus need dish washers, toilet cleaners and bed warmers and Paki Maskeens are the best option in all these fields.

kit · Post by **kit** » 17 Dec 2015 23:27

rumors right inside the emirates ..do you think the will let out any credible source ?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Dec 2015 23:42

Sources: Dubai Ruler's Son Killed in Yemenis' Attack in Ma'rib - Sept 21, 2015
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940630000440

"Sheikh Rashid and a number of other UAE forces were killed in a Yemeni forces' Katyusha attack in Ma'rib province and reports on his death as a result of a heart attack are only aimed at deceiving the Emirati people who are demanding withdrawal of the UAE troops from Yemen," the Yemeni Press quoted informed sources as saying on Sunday.

The UAE news websites had claimed that Sheikh Rashid had died of a heart attack.

The Arab-language al-Ain news website, meantime, quoted people close to Ansarullah as confirming that Sheikh Rashid has been killed in Ma'rib.

Sheikh Rashid was the eldest son of Sheikh Mohammed. Rashid's brother Sheikh Hamdan is the Crown Prince of Dubai.

A Saudi-led coalition force has been striking Yemen for 180 days now to restore power to Hadi, a close ally of Riyadh. The Saudi-led aggression has so far killed at least 6,106 Yemenis, including hundreds of women and children.

Hadi stepped down in January and refused to reconsider the decision despite calls by Ansarullah revolutionaries of the Houthi movement.

Despite Riyadh’s claims that it is bombing the positions of the Ansarullah fighters, Saudi warplanes are flattening residential areas and civilian infrastructures.

Recall that just a few days after on Sept 24, 2015, stampede happened at Mina in KSA killing nearly 2300 people most of them are Shia.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Dec 2015 11:45

Two hilarious stories.First,one of Pak's highest mil decorations to the Saudi prince who is responsible for their navy.Saudi navy? Isn't that the outfit whose vessels are getting shafted in the Yemen? perfect decoration,coming from the Pakis which has vast experience of getting its ships sunk...by the IN!

Nishan-i-Imtiaz conferred on Commander Royal Saudi Naval Forces
By Web Desk
Published: December 17, 2015

Acting President Mian Raza Rabbani conferred one of the top military decorations, Nishan-i-Imtiaz, on Commander Royal Saudi Naval Forces Vice Admiral Abdullah S Al-Sultan.

The award was conferred on the Saudi naval forces vice admiral in recognition of his outstanding services in bringing the naval forces of the two countries closer, Radio Pakistan reported.

Pakistan’s inclusion in Saudi alliance sparks confusion

The acting president decorated the top Saudi naval official with the prestigious award in a ceremony held in the federal capital on Wednesday.

Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Mohammad Zaka Ullah, Ambassador of Saudi Arabia to Pakistan Abdullah Marzouk also attended the ceremony.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia enjoy close, cordial and brotherly relations. Both the countries have longstanding defence and security cooperation and they have held joint military drills in the past.

The decoration of Royal Saudi Naval Forces official comes a day after Pakistan was included in a new military alliance of Islamic countries after an announcement made by Saudi Crown Prince and Defence Minister Mohammed bin Salman.

In a rare news conference in Riyadh the Saudi crown prince and defence minister said the alliance will coordinate efforts against terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan, but offered few concrete indications of how the military efforts might proceed.

Pak-Saudi anti-terror exercises kick off

Saudi Arabia had also mentioned Pakistan among the list of countries which were part of its alliance against the Houthi rebels in Yemen earlier this year. But Islamabad distanced itself from the Saudi alliance and instead called for a political solution to the conflict. The National Assembly also passed a unanimous resolution urging the government not to send its troops on the foreign soil.

The second report is the expose of US spl. forces in Libya. great secrecy shown by the US!
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... d-pictures

Secret US mission in Libya revealed after air force posted pictures
Facebook post, accompanied by four pictures, said 20 armed soldiers arrived wearing bulletproof jackets
US soldiers in LIbya
Photographs showed three Americans armed with assault rifles. Photograph: Libyan Air Force/Facebook

Chris Stephen in Tunis
Thursday 17 December 2015

A secret US commando mission to Libya has been revealed after photographs of a special forces unit were posted on the Facebook page of the country’s air force.

Libya’s air force said 20 US soldiers arrived at Libya’s Wattiya airbase on Monday, but left soon after local commanders asked them to go because they had no permission to be at the base. It was unclear if another branch of the Libyan military had authorized the mission.

Pentagon sources confirmed to US media that the special forces unit was part of a mission sent this week, but it was unclear if the soldiers had left the country.

US soldiers in LIbya
Pentagon sources confirmed the presence of a special forces unit. Photograph: Libyan Air Force/Facebook

The Facebook post that revealed the unit’s presence said the 20 soldiers had disembarked “in combat readiness wearing bullet proof jackets, advanced weapons”.

The photographs show the Americans – three with assault rifles slung over their shoulders – posing in the sunshine with Libyan soldiers. Other photographs show the US troops boarding a blue and white-striped passenger plane and driving a yellow dune buggy.

US soldiers in LIbya
Solider with assault rifle. Photograph: Libyan Air Force/Facebook

Wattiya’s proximity to Sabratha, site of the Islamic State’s western Libya base, has heightened speculation that the US is poised to launch strikes on the terror group.

The incident marks the first confirmed deployment of American special forces to Libya since July last year, when Delta Force commandos seized Ahmed Abu Khattala, now on trial in New York accused of the 2012 killing US ambassador Chris Stevens.

“They were there, [local commanders] said they were on a training mission,” said one source in the nearby mountain town of Zintan. “Nobody knows details. They are gone now.”

Wattiya is one of the largest air bases in Libya, dating from the era of Muammar Gaddafi who was deposed in the 2011 revolution.

Only open desert separates it from the Isis base at Ajaylat, outside Sabratha, the base that Tunisia says trained Sousse beach gunman Seifeddine Rezgui Yacoubi.

Libya has been split between two rival governments since Libya Dawn, a coalition of Islamist and Misratan forces, seized Tripoli, and the elected government fled to the eastern city of Tobruk.

The US’s deployment to Wattiya may affect the civil war, because the base is the hub for operations by the recognised government, based in Tobruk, against forces of rival Libya Dawn, which holds Tripoli.

Libyan jets based there have staged airstrikes against Dawn forces, who have launched unsuccessful offensives to capture the sprawling base.
In recent weeks, French and US reconnaissance flights have flown over Sabratha and Isis bases further east at Sirte, Benghazi and Derna.

US soldiers in Libya
The soldiers were seen driving a yellow dune buggy. Photograph: Libyan Air Force/Facebook

Western diplomats are concerned that while Libya’s rival governments fighting each other, Isis is advancing without serious opposition. This week Isis units briefly occupied Sabratha itself, triggering fears the town’s noted Roman ruins would be targeted. In eastern Libya, the group is closing in on the country’s key oil ports.

A new UN-brokered unity government, announced on Thursday, is expected to issue a formal invitation for British, French and US forces to strike Isis in the coming days.

A Pentagon statement confirmed US forces were at the base. A spokeswoman said: “With the concurrence of Libyan officials, US military personnel traveled to Libya on 14 December to engage in a dialogue with ‎representatives of the Libyan National Army. While in Libya, members of a local militia demanded that the US personnel depart. In an effort to avoid conflict, they did leave, without incident.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Dec 2015 15:25

I didn't know there IS a 'Libyan military'. There is a guvrmand in Libya?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Dec 2015 17:00

they love government so much, they got themselves two... or maybe even more...

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Dec 2015 17:17

Islamic State declares war against Saudi Arabia

OPTIONS:
-Now summon the Newly Minted Anti-Terrorism Coalition Force To The Land Of The Two Holy Cities .
-Ask the Pakis to make good on their earlier promise to "defend the integrity of the Holy Kingdom", including the option of "of the shelf nuclear bomb"
-Announce to the world that they also are "targets of ISIS" and seek UN help
-Contact Gulf Ummah Brothers for early recruiting of Somalis, South Americans and others to employ as "cannon fodder"
-Buy tanks, trucks, aircrafts, gun and other war ammo from Uncle

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Dec 2015 17:33

News Flash:
US bungles again...or is it deliberate bombing of anti-ISIS forces?

At least 30 Iraqi soldeirs were killed and 20 others injured in US air strike, Hakim al-Zamili, the head of Iraqi parliament's Security and Defense Committee said.

"Thirty soldiers of the 55 brigade of the Iraqi army were killed and 20 injured in a US airstrike on the town of al-Naimiya in the al Faluja province," al-Zamili's statement obtained by Sputnik reads.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 ... z3ug2xtL3K

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 19 Dec 2015 00:04

Recall that just a few days after on Sept 24, 2015, stampede happened at Mina in KSA killing nearly 2300 people most of them are Shia.

That toll may have increased by about 50% to 3000, may be about 4,173 per reported claims of Saudi health minister. The initial Iranian claim was about 4700 dead.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Dec 2015 03:42

it seems that the taliban and ISIS have been having an old fashioned bhai-loge turf war in afghania
no mercy, no quarter

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 19 Dec 2015 06:56

Any link? If ISIS and Taliban(ISI) are slaughtering each other gab popcorn and keep powder dry.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Dec 2015 14:44

Bheeshma wrote:Any link? If ISIS and Taliban(ISI) are slaughtering each other gab popcorn and keep powder dry.

Why Taliban special forces are fighting Islamic State

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Dec 2015 17:56

habal wrote:Lebanon & Indonesia say they were not consulted before being made part of 34-nution coalition.

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/676818295425757184
https://twitter.com/Yo666i/status/677063856322043904

Looks like the Saudi Arabians have lied about who all have signed up for the “34 Nation” Sunni Coalition which under the guise of halting Terrorism seems more geared to fighting an Intra-Mohammadden religion based sectarian war. Denials about joining up have also come in from Nigeria and off course the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan besides Lebanon and Indonesia.

1. Buhari Denies Including Nigeria In Saudi-led Islamic Coalition:

Clicky Nigeria

2. Pakistan 'surprised' at its inclusion in Saudi 34-country anti-terrorism:

Clicky Pakistan

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 19 Dec 2015 21:00

This is how the terrorist coalition was formed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcKWOYYy-UQ

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 19 Dec 2015 23:32

ISIS stole sarin gas from Libya stores & has already used it, Gaddafi’s cousin tells RT
https://www.rt.com/news/326497-gaddafi- ... sis-sarin/

“ISIS has managed to find some of the secret underground storage facilities, still holding chemical weapons, hidden in the desert. Unfortunately, they weren’t properly guarded,” said Ahmed Gaddafi Al-Dam, a cousin of Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader who was killed in 2011.

Al-Dam, the stolen gas was then trafficked to the northern part of the country and sold.

“There are two known cases of this chemical agent being stolen. I know this from my sources in Tripoli. In the first case, seven drums of sarin were stolen, and in the second, I think it was five.”

“Unfortunately, those who had driven this vehicle into the city didn’t understand the dangers of this nerve agent, and how risky it was to bring it into an urban area, let alone ever use it. I don’t want to spread panic, but that’s the reality. And the world knows this very well,” he said.

Islamic State (IS, previously ISIS/ISIL) has already used chemical weapons in Iraq and Syria, according to numerous reports.

Earlier this month, Eren Erdem, a member of Turkey’s main opposition party, the Republican People's Party (CHP), told RT that IS terrorists in Syria had received all the necessary materials to produce deadly sarin gas via Turkey.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Dec 2015 07:47

sarin or any other chem/bio weapon take a lot of military infra to disperse and use in a deadly widespread way for mass casualties which the IS is not capable of.

it can however be used for panic causing attacks in large cities (like the aum shirinkyo attack in japan) for network effects via media and financial market impact.

it will be of no use in striking aleppo or damascus...network effects and publicity means only western capitals are under threat....so its not a syrian problem but a nato/russian capital city issue now.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Dec 2015 08:07

lot of military infra to disperse and use in a deadly widespread way for mass casualties

Didn't both sides use Sarin in WW1, to great effect against trenchline positions as well as against massed attacks? All they had was artillery shells.. not even aircraft. Verdun? Somme?

Then Saddam's troops used it against Iranians in the battles on that cursed peninsula (I forget the name) with some tens of thousands of deaths. I don't see what infra those fellows had, that the US-Saudi-Turk-NATO equipped CouW IS doesn't have. If you want to protect your own troops, that may need some special precautions such as wind predictions, but in the case of IS, they will just send the stupid Indians and Pakis as the first wave, so that doesn't apply. The odds of survival beat driving a VBIED, hain?

So nothing to be sanguine about. If IS has chem weapons they will use them. Probably first against a Russian base, with blessings from BO and Victoria Nuland. I am more worried about biological weapons.

The Assyrian came down like the wolf on the fold
His cohorts were gleaming in purple and gold...

Too much historical/Kitab/HoKo precedent.