Military Flight Safety

[ashthor]

I am not sure...but check the helmet position.

[Jay]

Almost every serious airforce in the world has full time dedicated solo jet display teams

Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey, Poland have F16 solo display teams
UK, Spain, Germany and Austria have Typhoon solo jet display teams
USAF/USN have F16, F22, F18
IAF has no such formal full time arrangement

That's exactly the point. If IAF wants to do these demo's routinely, won't they be better served with a dedicated cadre to avoid things like this

Trying to bring HAL into this unless it is explicitly proven something on their end led to this outcome is atrocious and will just ensure further lapses on the IAF’s part in the future

Useless or not, it will have a damper , at least for a time when HAL goes in front of potential customers to market the plane. HOW ARE WE NOT GETTING THIS? We cannot afford to compartmentalize our efforts, goals, and practices and hope to win.

[S_Madhukar]

I just feel HAL test pilots should do this showbazi. Right now we need every experienced pilot ready for combat.

I don’t even agree on Tejas marketing when we wait every month for a GE engine to arrive. Walk then run. Once we have our own complete jet then start marketing or at least don’t push the envelope .We try to do Western style corporate tactics without the right structures in place.

[AdityaM]

Shouldn't the FBW have prevented this manoeuvre at low altitudes?

This wasn’t a stall, FBW can prevent exceeding the flight envelope but not CFIT

Arguably it looks like the auto recovery feature of the FCS attempted to regain control at the end hence why there was no ejection (if the pilot was not fully conscious )

The pilot appears to have attempted ejection.
In the video there is a glimpse of chute popping above the flames, but it is soon consumed by them.

Look behind the pole at 45-46 seconds.


https://x.com/sidhshuk/status/1992123979172327665?s=46

[sajaym]

This wasn’t a stall, FBW can prevent exceeding the flight envelope but not CFIT

Arguably it looks like the auto recovery feature of the FCS attempted to regain control at the end hence why there was no ejection (if the pilot was not fully conscious )

The pilot appears to have attempted ejection.
In the video there is a glimpse of chute popping above the flames, but it is soon consumed by them.

Look behind the pole at 45-46 seconds.


https://x.com/sidhshuk/status/1992123979172327665?s=46

Could be... OR could also be that the sheer force of the impact caused the ejection seat mechanism to trigger off partially. I've heard of such an incident in the 1980s when a Sikh pilot's Mig-21 hit the ground during low level manoeuvring and his ejection seat got triggered by the impact and saved him.

But look at the photos!!! The guy is literally scraping the desert floor....and still he thought he could get away with it??? My suggestion to the HAL engineers would be...this is NOT the last this is going to happen....PLEASE update the FBW to automatically trigger the ejection seat in such scenarios.

Because when the jet is that low THERE IS NO WAY that it recovers back. All the previous crashes in similar scenarios prove it....the F-16 Major.Stricklin crash, the 1989 IAF mirage 2000 crash, another French Mirage 2000 crash, the Russian SU-30 crash, the Pakistani F-16 crash, the Polish F-16 crash and now this crash. And of all the pilots only Major Stricklin was smart enough to get out of his jet BEFORE it impacted the ground.