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China seeks to muzzle quake victim parents


FT.com / Asia-Pacific / China - China seeks to muzzle quake victim parents
By Jamil Anderlini in Mianzhu, Sichuan

Published: July 1 2008 23:31 | Last updated: July 1 2008 23:31

Chinese security forces are putting pressure on angry parents to abandon demands for a full investigation into why so many schools collapsed in the May earthquake in Sichuan province and have rounded up human rights workers in the earthquake-ravaged region.

In tent cities that have sprung up throughout the region, soldiers carrying batons patrol the streets and security agents and police have stepped up efforts to muzzle any sign of “social instability”......

......The parents originally planned to lobby the provincial government through China’s petition system – the only formal channel for citizens dissatisfied with local officials – but they appeared to have abandoned that goal on Tuesday.

.........Beijing ordered a nationwide crackdown on dissent over the weekend, calling on all officials to ensure “zero mass petitions to Beijing, zero petitions to provincial capitals and no mass incidents during the Olympic Games period”.......

...........The riot began after police ruled that a teenage girl had committed suicide, contradicting claims by her parents and relatives that three young men raped and murdered the girl.

Shi Zongyuan, party secretary of Guizhou, called the incident “a bare-faced challenge to the party and the government caused by a small number of people with ulterior motives under the influence of evil forces”, according to state media. A local party official denied that the children of local officials were involved in the girl’s death.

In Sichuan, at least five human rights activists have been detained, including Huang Qi, 45, a prominent human rights activist who was detained on June 10 and has now been charged with possession of state secrets.............

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/636573a2-479b ... 07658.html
I think the Chinese govt by doing this has lost all the goodwill they generated by the efficient handling of the quake.

The handling of the quake indicates that the processes and system in very much in place and it is working magnificently.

Whether it is the fault of the Central govt or the local authorities, they still are the Communist party functionaries and those who have seen Communist party organisations (as we in India) are aware of the cadre based organisation and how they jump to at the order of their bosses. Therefore, to blame locals, just does not wash.

Maybe there was a reluctance to make the process more transparent, since it would prevent those along the channel of distribution from dipping their hands in the till. Obviously, these are not rumours that have caused anger and anxiety. It is axiomatic that these lapses are manmade and CCP party hack made, especially when one saw the efficiency that was abound in organising the earthquake relief and clean up, as also blasting the earthquake created dams without an town downstream getting flooded or washed away.

AI maybe biased, but then there is a lot at stake as far as the Olympics is concerned for China. That is why so much effort has gone into to showcase China. China has to project itself as a stable and vibrant country and therefore a firman or a missive that there should be no protest is not surprising.

The Party hack statement that "the incident “a bare-faced challenge to the party and the government caused by a small number of people with ulterior motives under the influence of evil forces” or that no officials children were involved in the rape is typical of whitewashing their own faults and it is the typical Communist claptrap!
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Kathmandu, June 29 (IANS) Nepal's giant northern neighbour China is concerned about India's policy regarding the Himalayan nation and wants the open India-Nepal border to be controlled, a report said.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20080629/87 ... epa_1.html

(China sounds like one big nymph who can never be satisfied. :))
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This entire "obstacle course", made up of natural calamities and institutional violence, is certainly not making international tourism easier. According to information from many travel agencies and airlines, the months of July and August are "empty" of flight reservations for China, and the optimistic predictions of 2 million foreign visitors have fallen to only 500,000.

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=15636
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New Delhi, July 5: A team of Indian journalists is making a goodwill visit to China from July 6.

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/256493.p ... isit-Lhasa

(I hope the DDM will do its job for once in its life.)
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Human rights groups and opposition politicians, including presidential hopeful Barack Obama, had urged Bush to consider a boycott.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-wo ... -20632262/
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Karan Dixit wrote:New Delhi, July 5: A team of Indian journalists is making a goodwill visit to China from July 6.

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/256493.p ... isit-Lhasa

(I hope the DDM will do its job for once in its life.)
This is how china friendly articles are planted in the Indian newspapers.
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John Snow wrote:Johann, Raman et al, I very well remember the power tuzzle between Lin Pao ( also called Lin bao), I used regularly listen to BBC, Radio Natherlands, VOA, Radio Mascow and Radio Bejing. ( at that time Peking), actually some of these sations used to marked out on the dials of SW radios. ( I used to listen to them on 1944 model GEC radio 5 valves ac/dc set).

I recall that Lin Pao was killed in air crash while fleeing as Radio Peking announced some time in 1966/1967?

The cultural revolution was one way of purging the factions split along Mao and Lin Pao groups.
The good old days of radio ga-ga!

Lin Piao was Mao's most important ally in launching the Cultural Revolution. Without him running the PLA, Mao simply could not have declared war on the rest of the party leadership (ie the other Long March veterans) in 1966.

Lin more than anyone else built up the cult of personality around Mao - the 'little red book' was his idea, and he made ownership and reading mandatory in the PLA. Lin Piao was not really an ideologue - his main goal was to succeed Mao.

That eventually led to serious tensions between the two, which boiled over in assassination/coup attempts against Mao organised by Lin Piao's son in 1971. When those failed the entire family attempted to flee the PRC. Their escape was compromised by the son's girlfriend who informed on them, and thanks to the damage done in the shoot-out at take off, they ran out of fuel and crashed in Mongolia. It sounds like movie material doesnt it?

Anyway the split between Lin Piao and Mao was the marked the approaching end of the Cultural Revolution. Mao had to rehabilitate people like Deng Xiaoping who only a few years earlier had been condemned as 'capitalist roaders', beaten up publicly, and sent to labour camps. PRC policy began to shift from eternal revolution to 'modernisation'.

None of this was really understood outside the PRC at the time, given the opaqueness of the system. Its took something like a decade and a half to piece it all together.
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Chinese Paramilitary Exercises for Olympics:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/0 ... n_chi.html
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Workers riot in east China town - BBC
Page last updated at 11:41 GMT, Monday, 14 July 2008 12:41 UK

Migrant workers rioted for three days in a town in eastern China, officials and a rights group said, in a fresh sign of rumbling social unrest.

The protests began on 10 July in Kanmen in the coastal province of Zhejiang.

Workers - reportedly angered by a beating meted out to a colleague - attacked a police station for three successive nights.

The incident comes just weeks after a 30,000-strong crowd torched dozens of official buildings in Guizhou province.

They were protesting about an alleged cover-up over the death of a teenage girl. Police said the girl committed suicide but her family said she was murdered by the son of a local official.

One hundred people have been detained over the Guizhou riots, Chinese state media reported on Monday, including "39 members of local gangs".

'Grave crime'

The incident in Kanmen erupted after a migrant worker was beaten by a security guard, a Hong Kong-based human rights group said.

A crowd surrounded the police station after officers detained the worker, who had gone to file a complaint, the Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy said.

Three nights of protests and rioting followed, a local official website confirmed.

"This was a grave crime of obstructing public security organs in carrying out their duties and assembling a crowd to attack state offices," a local police official was quoted as saying.

Three hundred military police arrived in the town on Sunday, another local official told the Associated Press news agency.

In recent years, more and more reports of local protests have emerged from China.

Corruption, land seizures, abuse of power by local officials and the widening gap between rich and poor are the common causes.

The incidents are of serious concern to Chinese authorities, who are keen to present an image of social stability ahead of the Beijing Olympic Games.

Officials have been told to ensure local protests do not mar the Games.
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Beijing tells spectators to leave banners at home

BEIJING (Reuters) - Beijing has advised spectators coming to next month's Olympics to leave their banners at home, even if they do not contravene rules forbidding the airing of political or religious views at venues.

Beijing authorities have long been concerned that its citizens will take some of the gloss off the August 8-24 Games through bad manners and on Monday released its "Spectators House Rules" along with a "Good Habit for a Good Games" campaign.

The rules, which Beijing organisers said were "virtually the same as for the Athens and Sydney Olympics", ban banners and flags larger than two metres by one metre although officials said they would prefer that even smaller signs were not displayed.
"We advise that you do not bring banners of any kind to the Games because we must create a fair play environment for the athletes from all countries," Huang Keying, deputy director of spectator services division at the Beijing Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (BOCOG), told a news conference.

"The kind of banner with "Go China!" on it would be unfair for athletes from other countries."

The Olympic charter bans "any kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda ... in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas".

NO GAMBLING, DRUNKENNESS, STREAKING

The Beijing rules forbid any "display for commercial, religious, political, military purposes, or those for territory, human rights, environmental protection or animal protection" without prior official permission.

The regulations also ban "Flags of non-participating members of the Olympics and Paralympics", which seems to be aimed the flag of Taiwan -- which is banned in China.

China considers Taiwan to be a renegade province to be reunited with the mainland by force, if necessary, and the self-ruled island competes at the Olympics as "Chinese Taipei" under a special flag.

Those breaching the rules, which also ban gambling, sit-ins, demonstrations, drunkenness and streaking, would be dealt with according to the transgressions, Huang said.

"Different cases will be handled by different departments following relevant rules or laws. We have specially trained staff who will communicate with spectators."

Umbrellas will be allowed in venues in a break from the rules that excluded them from the venues at the last Olympics in Athens, Huang said.

"In foreign countries people like to sunbathe, but in Beijing we prefer to avoid the sunlight," she added. "So we will allow people to bring collapsible umbrellas as long as they don't put them up in the stands."

Umbrellas are a common sight in Beijing during August, acting as parasols on the rare days of bright sunshine and protection from the relatively frequent downpours.

The other change from the regulations for the Athens, Huang said, was the ban on large numbers of coins, which is not relevant in Beijing where paper money predominates.
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush said Tuesday he was "displeased" with Russia and China for blocking UN sanctions against Robert Mugabe's regime in Zimbabwe and warned Washington could still act on its own.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080715/wl ... 0715181125

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Chinese supported regime of Zimbabwe is raping and pillaging white population of Zimbabwe. It is tragic that white population in USA showing no solidarity with their brothers and sisters in Zimbabwe.

US should do following:
- Bush should not attend Olympic
- Start banning Chinese import one by one as situation escalates
- Start military build up aimed against China till China stops atrocities against innocent white people in Zimbabwe
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China would be unable to fully fix its air quality problem in time for Olympics
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Washington, July 15 : A research by a University of Rhode Island (URI) atmospheric chemist has revealed that China would be unable to fully fix its air quality problem in time for Olympics.

The researcher in question is Kenneth Rahn, a retired URI professor, who analyzed pollution data collected regularly for the last five years by Chinese scientists.

"There is both a local component and a regional component to the pollutants that cause unhealthy air in Beijing, and the severity of their effects are driven by weather fronts and winds," said Rahn, who travels to China several times a year to help scientists at Tsinghua University interpret their data.

"Since it's controlled by the weather, it will be a matter of luck whether the bad air periods correspond with days of outdoor Olympic events," he added.

According to Rahn, locally generated pollutants in Beijing consist primarily of organic matter from transportation, factories and cooking, while regional sources of pollution include ammonium sulfates and ammonium nitrates from coal-burning power plants, industry and transportation sources, which are easily transported long distances in the atmosphere.

"The air pollution pattern in Beijing is unusual, with high and low concentrations that can differ by a factor of 50 to 100," said Rahn.

"When the winds shift to the north and bring in clear air from Mongolia, the air can be relatively clean, though that's not the norm during the summer. But when winds are from the south, where there is a large population and lots of industrial activity, the air can be particularly hazardous," he explained.

When air quality in Beijing is at its worst, most of the pollutants come from distant sources, making it virtually impossible for local efforts to lead to the kind of improvements that the government would like.

"It's one thing to take steps to try to clean up a big city, but unless they also clean up the surrounding provinces, it's going to have a minor effect," said Rahn.

"They've tried to relocate some of the polluting industries over time, and Beijing has gotten a little cleaner each year because of it, but the background pollutants still blow in just the same," he added.
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Two killed as Chinese police opens fire on protesters
Saturday 19 July, 2008

Chinese police shot dead two persons during a clash with 400 people, mostly farmers, who were staging a violent protest a rubber firm in a country's remote south west county.

The police were attacked by the local people, injuring 13 of them, in Menglian Autonomous County of Dai, Lagu and Wa nationalities in Yunnan province, state media reported.

Police opened fire, injuring three people, two of whom were later confirmed dead, official news agency said.

Local sources said some of the protesters were rubber farmers who had staged violent demonstrations against a local rubber firm on several occasions.

Authorities were investigating the incident, it said.

The latest violence comes close on the heels of three other incidents which saw police using force to quell protesters and have caused embarrassment to China ahead of Biejing Olympics next month.

More than 100 people attacked police officers over the death of a motorcyclist in south Chinese city of Huizhou in booming Guangdong province on Thursday .

Recently, up to 30,000 people had gathered to protest the death of a teenaged girl under mysterious circumstances at Wengan county in Guizhou province in southwest China.

The mobs had set fire to government offices in the violence that left 150 policemen and protesters injured before the third post mortem confirmed that the victim had committed suicide and was not raped and murdered.

Hundreds of migrant workers had attacked a local police station in east China, injuring three policemen, after a dispute on registering for temporary residence erupted at Kanmen in Zhejiang province last week.
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China arrests quake critic on secrets charge
http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20080719/3 ... ret_2.html
Sat, Jul 19 03:44 PM
By Chris Buckley

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese police arrested a human rights campaigner in the country's southwest for "possession of state secrets" after he offered help to parents of children killed in the region's massive earthquake, his family said.

Huang Qi was detained in quake-hit Sichuan province on June 10, and on Friday police told his mother of his formal arrest on the secrets charge, his wife Zeng Li said by phone on Saturday.

Police in the Wuhou area of Sichuan's provincial capital Chengdu, where Huang was arrested, said they had no knowledge of the case.

But his arrest appeared related to his support for parents whose children died in the May 12 quake, when many schools crumbled, raising accusations of shoddy building and lax safety checks, said his wife and rights groups.

"The police didn't say why, but we think it was because of when he went to help in the quake area with food and money and met many parents who'd lost children," she said.

Huang's contacts with foreign journalists may also have brought official wrath, Zeng said.

China is readying to hold the Beijing Olympic Games, and Communist Party authorities have demanded sweeping steps to stifle protests and dissent ahead of the event.

Sichuan authorities have sought to silence protests and collective grieving by the parents, whose complaints initially drew widespread domestic media attention.

The quake killed about 70,000 people, with thousands still counted as missing and mostly likely dead. The Olympic torch will pass through quake-hit areas days before the Games open on Aug 8.

Huang has not been allowed to see his lawyer or family, said Zeng. Human rights groups have said vague state secrets and subversion charges are often used to silence dissidents.

"Huang has been arrested solely for peaceful expression of opinion," said the Chinese Human Rights Defenders group in an emailed statement.

Huang, 45, has run his own Tianwang Human Rights Center and a Web site (http://www.64tianwang.com) critical of the Communist Party's restrictions on political rights.

He was convicted in 2003 of "inciting subversion of state power" and released from jail in 2005.
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The Big Picture (Boston.com) wrote:Final preparations for the 2008 Summer Olympics are in full swing in Beijing. This includes completing hundreds of construction projects, reconstructions, pollution controls, cultural training, and a general "beautifying" of greater Beijing. Rehearsals and drills take place daily as Chinese citizens hurry to finish up - after all, the whole world is coming soon. The Olympics are set to begin on August 8th.
Large Images that show progress. This is a subway train station!
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the chinese peasants have never known anything other than a strong centralised warlordish kind
of rule in their long history. the concept of obedience to authority and state power is so deeply
ingrained, even catastrophic events fail to exorcise it. call it confucianism or whatever but makes them rather easier to control/punish/manage than India for example.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/24/world ... ref=slogin

China Presses Grieving Parents to Take Hush Money on Quake
By EDWARD WONG
Published: July 24, 2008

HANWANG, China — The official came for Yu Tingyun in his village one evening last week. He asked Mr. Yu to get into his car. He was clutching the contract and a pen.

The remains of the Dongqi Middle School in Hanwang, China, which collapsed in the May 12 quake, killing at least 240 students.

Mr. Yu’s daughter had died in a cascade of concrete and bricks, one of at least 240 students at a high school here who lost their lives in the May 12 earthquake. Mr. Yu became a leader of grieving parents demanding to know if the school, like so many others, had crumbled because of poor construction.

The contract had been thrust in Mr. Yu’s face during a long police interrogation the day before. In exchange for his silence and for affirming that the ruling Communist Party “mobilized society to help us,” he would get a cash payment and a pension.

Mr. Yu had resisted then. This time, he took the pen.

“When I saw that most of the parents had signed it, I signed it myself,” Mr. Yu said softly. A wiry 42-year-old driver, he carries a framed portrait of his daughter, Yang, in his shoulder bag.

Local governments in southwest China’s quake-ravaged Sichuan Province have begun a coordinated campaign to buy the silence of angry parents whose children died during the earthquake, according to interviews with more than a dozen parents from four collapsed schools. Officials threaten that the parents will get nothing if they refuse to sign, the parents say.

Chinese officials had promised a new era of openness in the wake of the earthquake and in the months before the Olympic Games, which begin in August. But the pressure on parents is one sign that officials here are determined to create a facade of public harmony rather than undertake any real inquiry into accusations that corruption or negligence contributed to the high death toll in the quake.

Officials have come knocking on parents’ doors day and night. They are so intent on getting parents to comply that in one case, a mayor offered to pay the airfare of a mother who left the province so she could return to sign the contract, the mother said.

The payment amounts vary by school but are roughly the same. Parents in Hanwang, a river town at the foot of mist-shrouded mountains, said they were being offered the equivalent of $8,800 in cash and a per-parent pension of nearly $5,600.

Flush with tax revenues after two decades of double-digit economic growth, China has used its financial muscle to make Beijing and Shanghai into architectural showcases and to open diplomatic doors in developing nations. At times, the state also acts like a multinational corporation facing a product liability suit, offering money to people with grievances in hopes of defusing protests. Most people, the government assumes, ultimately put profit before principle.

The tactic appears to work, including in the cases of the collapsed schools. Many parents said they signed the contract, even if they were displeased with the terms and still angry at the lack of any real investigation.

“Most of the parents now feel tired of this,” said Liu Guanyuan, 44, whose 17-year-old son died here, along with Mr. Yu’s daughter, in the collapse of Dongqi Middle School. “There’s a Chinese saying: The people sue the government, and the government doesn’t care.”

Officials are also using more traditional arrows in their authoritarian quiver: riot police officers have broken up protests by parents; the authorities have set up cordons around the schools; and officials have ordered the Chinese news media to stop reporting on school collapses. A human rights advocate trying to help some parents, Huang Qi, has been jailed.

Local government leaders have repeatedly promised to get to the bottom of why a staggering 7,000 classrooms collapsed in the quake, killing about 10,000 children. But there is little evidence that they have conducted more than a cursory examination, and there are hints of a cover-up. Even as negotiations with some parents continue, local governments have bulldozed the remains of many schools, appearing to close the door on a full investigation.

The issue remains one of the most delicate facing the Chinese government. Many parents accuse local officials of negligence or corruption during the construction of the schools. Some say they still hope the central government will take action, and they plan to go to Beijing to file petitions after the Olympics.

“We don’t want to get the government in trouble ahead of the Olympics,” Mr. Yu said. “We don’t want to hurt the nation’s image.”
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Mr. Yu was among 11 parents and relatives of dead children from Dongqi who met with a reporter on Monday in a teahouse where shirtless men played mah-jongg. They said they were willing to risk talking to journalists in hopes that the central government would take notice.

Parents of some of the Dongqi students killed in the school collapse protested at a government office in Mianzhu on May 31.

Last week, Mr. Yu and about 10 parents were detained by the police during a protest. He said he was interrogated at a police station in the nearby city of Deyang for 12 hours, while other parents from the protest, including a pregnant woman, were beaten.
(their police seem to love kicking around pregnant women iirc from other reports)

One woman, Huang Lianfen, said, “The local government has threatened us with beatings or punishment.”

Ms. Huang, 33, a factory manager, is the aunt of an 18-year-old boy who died in the Dongqi collapse. She said her brother, the boy’s father, was detained by the police last week and had so far refused to sign the contract.

“We’re asking not only for compensation, but also for justice,” she said.

On Monday, a vice mayor of Deyang, Zhang Jinming, met with the Hanwang parents and delivered the conclusion of his government’s investigation, the parents said. The school, he told them, collapsed solely because of the earthquake. He said the case was now closed.

Government offices in Sichuan Province and Deyang ignored a reporter’s calls seeking comment. A woman at the police headquarters in Deyang said she was unaware of the protest and detentions last week.

The New York Times obtained a copy of the compensation contract offered to parents from Hanwang. It is written as if the parents were appealing to a beneficent ruler for money.

“From now on, under the leadership of the party and the government, we will obey the law and maintain social order,” it says. “We vow resolutely not to take part in any activity that disturbs post-earthquake reconstruction.”

Another section is full of praise for the Communist Party: “Natural disaster is merciless, but the world is full of love. The party and the government reached out their hands to us and mobilized society to help us and alleviate our hardships. In this regard, we sincerely appreciate the help and care from the party, government and society!”


The contract does not state the payment amount, which officials discussed orally, the parents say.

One father, Ye Liangfu, said it was unfair that parents of high school students were not getting more than parents of younger children who died.

“Those parents whose kindergarten children died, they’re young, they can have another child,” he said.

Other parents who said they were asked to sign a contract represented Xinjian Primary School in Dujiangyan, Juyuan Middle School in Juyuan and Fuxin No. 2 Primary School in Mianzhu. Hundreds died in those schools. In each case, as here in Hanwang, buildings around the school remained standing.

“I heard that most of the parents in our school have signed it,” said Wang Lan, whose 8-year-old son died in the Xinjian collapse. “We parents can’t do anything about it. We’re helpless.”

Ms. Wang is staying with an aunt in Guangdong Province. She said in a telephone interview that the mayor of her township near Dujiangyan had called her several times to ask her to fly back by July 25 to sign the contract, which is for $10,000 in cash and an unknown pension amount.

Ms. Wang told the mayor the plane ticket was too expensive.

“If it’s too expensive, I’ll pay back the money to you when you return, even with my own money,” the mayor said, according to Ms. Wang. He even offered to send a car to the airport to pick her up, she said.

“I think the higher government must have placed a lot of pressure on the lower government,” Ms. Wang said. “They’re very nervous and pressed us so urgently to sign the paper.”

Ms. Wang said she was told that the ruins of Xinjian Primary School would be cleared away by Aug. 1.

Other schools have already suffered that fate. On Saturday, the remains of Fuxin No. 2 Primary School were cleared out, said Zhang Longfu, whose daughter died there.

“All the parents from the school have signed the agreement, although we’re not very satisfied with it,” Mr. Zhang said. “We’re still thinking of petitioning later.”

Several Fuxin parents declined to meet for interviews, a sign of how effective the government’s intimidation tactics have been. Those parents were once among the most vocal protesters.
A photograph of several of them carrying portraits of their dead children and yelling at a kneeling government official became an intensely resonant image after the earthquake.

The parents from Hanwang say they are also worried that the Dongqi school will be torn down before a real investigation is conducted.

Before sunset on Monday, Mr. Yu walked along a river running past the eastern wall of the school compound. Peering over the wall, one could see piles of bricks and concrete all over the ground. He pointed out the few standing ruins of the main building. His daughter’s classroom had been on the fourth floor.

He said she had lived for two days after being buried alive, like some other students. She had even called out to him.

“We could hear them under the rubble,” he said. “We passed them milk and water, but it was no use.”

He smoked and stared at the debris.

Would the parents try protesting again? he was asked.

“We don’t dare,” he said.
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as we all know the yindian is a timid creature, always cowering and shaking in his lungi.
a coverup and intimidation like in sichuan would not be tolerated by the people of any
state - there are some hard limits to tolerance in India.

I submit the chinese are a lot worse - thousands of years happy to live under the boot
of the han warlord of the day, servile, bent over, coughing in cigarette smoke, shaking
in fear at the sound of police jackboots, ratting on fellows for meager gains, prematurely
aeging from the coal smoke that the 'great leap' has brought in, putting the lives of their
one child below the 'save face' of their tyrant state.

I submit they are dogs on a leash and are destined to be so.
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Police blow up "suspicious object" in Hong Kong
Fri, Aug 8 07:55 PM

HONG KONG (Reuters) - A police bomb squad blew up what officials called a suspicious object at one of Hong Kong's busiest underground railway stations on Friday hours before the Olympic opening ceremony.
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  • I missed the Olympics opening ceremony, will try and catch snippets in news tomorrow. Seems like the Chinese put up an amazing show. Also, the only time DD-Sports becomes relevant is when Olympics are on. :)
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Beijing puts on a show for the world

By DAVID CRARY • Associated Press Writer • August 8, 2008

BEIJING — China commandeered the world stage Friday, celebrating its first-time role as Olympic host with a stunning display of pageantry and pyrotechnics to open a Summer Games unrivaled for its mix of problems and promise.

China welcomed scores of world leaders to an opening ceremony watched by 91,000 people at the eye-catching National Stadium and a potential audience of 4 billion worldwide. It was depicted as the largest, costliest extravaganza in Olympic history, bookended by barrages of some 30,000 fireworks.

President Bush and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin were among the glittering roster of notables who watched China make this bold declaration that it had arrived. Bush, rebuked by China after he raised human-rights concerns this week, is the first U.S. president to attend an Olympics on foreign soil.

The games, said International Olympic Committee President Jacques Rogge, “are a chance for the rest of the world to discover what China really is.”

The story presented in Friday’s ceremony sought to distill 5,000 years of Chinese history — featuring everything from the Great Wall to opera puppets to astronauts, and highlighting achievements in art, music and science. Roughly 15,000 people were in the cast, including 2,008 drummers in the opening sequence, all under the direction of Zhang Yimou, whose early films often often ran afoul of government censors for their blunt portrayals of China’s problems.

The show, according to an advance script, steered clear of modern politics — there were no references to Chairman Mao and the class struggle, nor to the more recent conflicts and controversies. The extravaganza was taped for broadcast 12 hours later in the United States.

A record 204 delegations were set to parade their athletes through the stadium — superstars such as basketball idols Kobe Bryant and Yao Ming, as well as plucky underdogs from Iraq, Afghanistan and other embattled lands. The nations were marching not in the traditional alphabetical order but in a sequence based on the number of strokes it takes to write their names in Chinese. The exceptions were Greece, birthplace of the Olympics, which was given its traditional place at the start, and the 639-member Chinese team, which lined up last.

The American flag-bearer was 1500-meter runner Lopez Lomong, one of the Lost Boys of Sudan, who spent a decade of his youth in a refugee camp in Kenya. He’s a member of the Team Darfur coalition, representing athletes opposed to China’s support for Sudan. On Friday he avoided any criticism and said the Chinese “have been great putting all these things together.”
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LONDON (AFP) - Thousands of people joined protests around the globe Friday accusing China of relentless human rights abuses as the Beijing Olympics kicked off with a dazzling, three-hour opening ceremony.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080808/wl ... 0808195012
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ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A New Orleans furniture salesman who spied for the People's Republic of China and helped the Beijing government obtain secret U.S. military information was sentenced Friday to nearly 16 years in prison.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... htm?csp=34
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ANKARA (Reuters) - A Turkish man set himself on fire during a protest by ethnic Uighurs in front of the Chinese embassy in Turkey on Friday against China's rule in the region of Xinjiang as Beijing opened the Olympics.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080808/wl_ ... otest_dc_1
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It was an amazing show. Spectacular is the word. But NBC had to screw it up with their inane comments and too many commercial breaks. It was more like two hrs of commercial with the interruption of the ceremony. Oh well.

But again, the Chinese pulled off a breath taking ceremony. It was high tech yet very ancient. It sure would make Leni Riefenstahl proud.

I was thinking, can we in India pull off such a thing? I doubt it. IT would be like where every "minority" victim group would want to immolate them self and embarrass the country at every opportunity.

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Agreed, the opening ceremony was an incredible spectacle. One really got feeling that the Chinese revere their history, culture and accomplishments with both eyes on the future.

Interesting to note that not one Olympic structure or venue is named after Mao or CCP personality. Compare that with where the next Commonwealth Games venue will be. I'm afraid that if India ever were to host the Olympics, the visitors and the TV viewers would think that Nehrus and Gandhis are the only people that exists in India.
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A perfect display of what an Orwellian Olympics would look like. Grand, spectacular and a triumph of arrogance and self-absorption.

Can India pull off something like this, I think it could but at too great a cost for India at the moment. Besides, when we usually win around 5 Gold medals or less, there is little point in us wasting so much money on something we are so poor at.
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Medals cost money.

The Chinese have spent 8 Billion dollars on athlete training in the past 4 years.
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Relative of US Olympic coach killed in Beijing
First Published: 20:14 IST(9/8/2008)

A knife-wielding Chinese man attacked two relatives of a coach for the US Olympic men's volleyball team at a tourist site in Beijing, killing one and injuring the other on the first day of the Olympics on Saturday, team officials and state media said.

The man then committed suicide by throwing himself from the second story of the site, the 13th century Drum Tower just eight kilometers from the main Olympics site.
"They are deeply saddened and shocked," Darryl Seibel, a spokesman for the US Olympic Committee, said of the volleyball team.

The US Olympic Committee said in a statement that two family members of a coach for the men's indoor volleyball team were stabbed at the Drum Tower "during an attack by what local law enforcement authorities have indicated was a lone assailant."

One of the family members was killed and the other was seriously injured, it said. It did not identify the coach or give other details.

The official Xinhua News Agency identified the attacker as Tang Yongming, 47, from the eastern city of Hangzhou. It said Tang attacked the two Americans and their Chinese tour guide, who was also injured, at 12:20 pm on the second level of the ancient tower, then leapt to his death immediately afterward.
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This Olympic is simply a celebration of triumph of evil over good. This reminds me of Olympic hosted by Hitler's regime. The goals are identical in both cases. Instant gratification.

While we watch the spectacular show put up by China, I hope citizens of the globe ask following questions:

Do Chinese dictators care about Chinese peasants who find suicide as the only liberation from a hell called China? Yes China may be a paradise for Chinese elite but for Chinese peasants, it is a hell of third degree.

How many Tibetans and peaceful Muslims have been slaughtered by Chinese? How many Muslim women have been raped by Chinese soldiers?

Chinese sponsored dictators in Africa are killing white farmers and raping white women. Is this the world we want for our future generation?
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BEIJING, China (CNN) -- A Chinese man wielding a knife stabbed an American couple in central Beijing on Saturday, killing the man and seriously wounding the woman before jumping to his death from an ancient tower, said U.S. Olympic officials and state-run media.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

(Very tragic incident!)
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The student, Christina Chan, displayed a placard bearing the Canadian flag and the Tibetan flag underneath during the competition in Hong Kong's suburban Sha Tin district early Saturday. When she tried to peel away the Canadian flag to reveal the Tibetan flag, four or five security officers asked her to leave but she refused. Officers carried her out of the venue about half an hour later.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

(My hat is off to those Chinese who display tremendous courage in face of tremendous intimidation and show of brute power by Chinese regime.)
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Soldiers were called in to secure the city of Kuqa in Xinjiang, a Muslim-populated region home to what China says are Islamic terrorists intent on turning the nation's Olympic celebrations into mourning.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080810/wl ... 0810125638

(I think Muslims around the world should help their oppressed brothers and sisters in China.)
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Iraq to revive oil deal with China signed during Saddam era

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_ ... _china_oil
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Dozen bombs rock China's Xinjiang region, 11 dead

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Posted online: Sunday , August 10, 2008 at 11:30:23

Updated: Sunday , August 10, 2008 at 11:30:23

Beijing, Aug 10: A dozen pre-dawn blasts set off by "terrorists" and an ensuing police crackdown killed at least 11 people, including 10 attackers in China's restive Xinjiang region on Sunday, close on the heels of an audacious raid that killed 16 policemen, forcing Beijing to tighten security for the ongoing Olympics.

The bomb blasts using home-made crude devices occurred in Kuqa County in northwest Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region in which 10 bombers and a security guard were killed early morning, the regional government said.

Police said in a brief statement that "violent terrorists" attacked a shopping centre, hotel and government buildings in Kuqa in west central Xinjiang.

Police killed eight attackers and two others blew themselves up while two were arrested. Three attackers escaped, the statement said.

Four people, including two policemen were also injured in the attacks involving 12 explosions of gas-based pipe bombs.

The county, which is about 740 kilometers from the regional capital of Urumqi and 3,000 km from Beijing, was cordoned off and all offices and institutions were shut down, Xinhua news agency quoted local police as saying.

Few pedestrians could be seen on the streets, and there were public security personnel at every intersection.

The attacks began at 2:30 A.M., when a explosive laden three-wheeler drove rammed into a yard of the county police bureau, a regional government spokesman said.

The bombing killed a security guard, injured two police officers and two civilians and destroyed two police cars.

Police shot dead one of the bombers and captured another at the scene. One bomber committed suicide and another was seriously hurt. Police found five others hiding under a market counter. They tossed explosives at the police, who shot two of them dead. The other three blew themselves up.

According to police, there were 15 people involved in the latest bombings in Xinjiang, a major oil producing region.

Police said the explosive devices were made of pipes, gas canisters and liquid gas tanks. Police seized a taxi that the attackers used for the bombings, reports said.

Kuqa has a population of about four lakh.

No group has claimed responsibility or been blamed for the blasts. However, Chinese officials have said militants seeking an independent homeland for Xinjiang's largely Muslim Uygurs are one of the top security threats to ongoing August 8-24 Beijing Olympics.

Oil-rich Xinjiang that borders Central Asia has about 8.3 million Uighurs, many unhappy with what they say has been six decades of repressive Chinese rule and fighting Beijing to establish a separate state called 'East Turkistan'.

The 'East Turkistan Islamic Movement' was listed as a terrorist group by the UN in 2002 with alleged links to Al Qaeda. China has repeatedly warned of terrorist threat emanating from Xinjiang, saying the separatists militants there were planning to attack the Olympics.

Human rights groups and members of the ethnic Muslim Uighur community in Xinjiang have accused Beijing of exaggerating the threat as cover to crackdown on all forms of dissent. China has deployed more than 100,000 security personnel to provide security for the Games. China recently said it had smashed five terrorist groups plotting attacks on Olympics.

Chinese police had also claimed to have destroyed 41 Islamic military training bases from January to June in the restive Muslim-populated Xinjiang region.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... ad/347047/
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What could be the purpose of inviting Sonia Gandhi to the Olympics while completely ignoring the President? Okay one could say they know where the epicenter of power is, but is there something more that what meets the eye?
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Bharati wrote:What could be the purpose of inviting Sonia Gandhi to the Olympics while completely ignoring the President? Okay one could say they know where the epicenter of power is, but is there something more that what meets the eye?
PRC is doing what it is being told by Uncle regarding India.
They go to Uncle to figure out Indian leadership
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Acharya wrote: They go to Uncle to figure out Indian leadership
Is it just about leadership? I might be imagining, but is something cooking in Beijing with so many important people gathered from all over the world. Is she there only to enjoy the sporting event?
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