Indian Autos Thread

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 05 Oct 2008 05:26

Mahindra is coming out with a automatic version of Scorpio. How have the reviews been ? If they can beef up that beauty some more it will rule the SUV segment.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 06 Oct 2008 19:31

Loss sinks in for Singur unwilling

Since the land is now stuck with the govt, will be interesting to see what happens there in the near future. Tatas are waiting for Mamta to implode..

in the next elections. I do not think they will give up their fight entirely. Ratan Tata's statements leave the option open to restart the process in the distant future....while the court cases and Mamata's agit-props continue for now.

satya · Post by **satya** » 06 Oct 2008 20:01

Mahindra is coming out with a automatic version of Scorpio. How have the reviews been ? If they can beef up that beauty some more it will rule the SUV segment.

Friend had a Scorpio , now switched to Toyota Innova . Reason : not a good balance on high speed and accident prone on curves at high speed as per him. Heard same from a few others .

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 07 Oct 2008 00:22

cool, where does he get to take turns at high speeds?

That aside, I think SUV's in general have a high roll-over probability. Auto enthusiasts can throw more knowledge on this. With family, I suppose a minivan will make more sense, assuming the Innova is sold as a minivan in India?

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 07 Oct 2008 09:48

Finally, Nano all set to drive into Gujarat
7 Oct 2008, 0845 hrs IST,TNN
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Tata ... 567686.cms

AHMEDABAD: There could be a huge gift in store for Narendra Modi as he completes seven years in office as Gujarat chief minister on Tuesday. The air is thick with anticipation as top Tata Motors honchos flew down from Mumbai late on Monday evening to take one final look at the site near Sanand, 25 kms from the western fringes of Ahmedabad, which has been identified for relocation of the Nano plant. Tata chief Ratan Tata is also expected to arrive on Tuesday.

Sources said the decks have been cleared for transfer of 1,000 acres of land to the Tatas. Modi's council of ministers will meet at 10 am before the Tata team arrives. The land which the Tatas have to finally select is located within a 2200-acre campus owned by the Anand Agriculture University which serves as a cattle and seed farm.

The university has already transferred 1,000 acres back to the government which went into an overdrive to woo Tata Motors ever since the situation started worsening at Singur in West Bengal. Government officials were hopeful that the deal will be clinched on Tuesday, after a final round of negotiations on the concessions Tata Motors will be seeking.

While Modi has been personally averse to giving concessions to industry, on the ground that such concessions given in the past had led to a huge loss of revenue to the exchequer, there is willingness to make an exception in the case of the Nano project.

"We had to relax our rigid stand considering the fact that other state governments were going all out to roll the red carpet for the Nano plant. Losses due to concessions would be offset by the immense positivity created around the investment climate in Gujarat," a senior official of the industries department said, while admitting that there could be a tough last round of negotiations.

While Tata Motors' scouts were scouring sites in Karnataka, AP and Maharashtra over the last two days, there was an air of tentativeness in the Sachivalaya at Gandhinagar, even as officials went about clearing all the documents to transfer 1,000 acres in one go. "Our biggest advantage is that we can hand over the land to Tata Motors on Tuesday itself," a source said.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 07 Oct 2008 14:03

THE GAME OF NANO

It is very interesting to know the reason why Nano went to Gujarat. NM (modi) already knew there will be one project in future as TATA had told that it needs more than one plant in future to cater their need. For this reason, NM government already had carried out surveys at several places through the year. However, concessions were never the part as it was official policy of Gujarat Govt. Now when the trouble started brewing in WB, there was a chance for Gujarat to have a go at it. However, Haryana, Uttarakhand, Karnataka, Maharastra and later Andhra came and declared its intention at the start of the game. Since, all of them were strong contenders, Gujarat govt. chose to keep mum and decided to go step further. They invided TATA as one of the contenders. When TATA's came they already had all the cleared files and infrastructure facility projects ready on the table. They also met the farmers who were more than willing to give up the land for the project as it was in state economy's benefit( It is also the fact that most of places which were inspected by TATA was unfeasible to do agriculture with low productivity). While other states had to still deal with the question of land acquisition etc. This was a turning point as TATA feared that in other places they might again have to go through the painful process of land acquisition and they had less belief in state government's ability after what happened in WB. What Gujarat Govt. had to do was to come up with concessions in addition to what they already put on the table which they did. The project was already decided to be undertaken in Gujarat a few days before when I had posted "inside rumours" about it, but officials in govt. and TATA were told to keep dead mum on it as they knew that other states might throw big goddies and project can go in last minutes. Also there was a fear that media jholawallahs will start jumping the very second the name of Gujarat is involved and make some issue about it to pressure TATA. What attracted TATA's the most was the long term development vision of Narendra Modi regarding the Industrial corridor, GIFT city(whose floor space mostly sold), GIFT -II (already in design phase ) and development of port/airport in Dholera which is very near to Sanand it was always an advantageous point. Gujarat also have lower crime rate so professionals from other states can easily live their life and develop and Gujarati's worship both Laxmi and Saraswati so anything dealing with money or technology or science is always welcomed with open and warm heart and people with any one of it was highly respected in society. People with big dreams and enterpreneurship are also equally welcomed. It is also the ancestral land of TATA's so homecoming was inevitable it was just of when and not if. Having said this, it is win for whole India as NANO will finally start rolling out soon.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 07 Oct 2008 15:05

For Tatas, I could give my land free, says farmer
7 Oct 2008, 1341 hrs IST, Vijaysinh Parmar,TNN

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/For_ ... 569616.cms

SANAND(AHMEDABAD): Farmer-turned-industrialist Ravubha Vaghela was a very happy man on Monday after selling his entire 30 acres of land at Khoda and Naranpura villages to Gujarat government.

He only hoped Tatas would bring their prestigious Nano project to the chosen site.

Vaghela had earmarked this land for expansion of his firm, Raviraj Foils Limited. But the minute he was approached by state government officials, he willingly sold the land for building approach road from Sanand-Viramgam highway to Anand Agriculture University cattle farm that will hopefully be Nano’s new home.

Vaghela says he sold the land for Rs 15 crore at Rs 1,000 per square metre , despite the going market rate of Rs 2,500 per sq mt.

Vaghela says he could have haggled for a better price or even gone to court. “But this would have delayed the process and Nano plant could have gone out of Gujarat’s hands. I was glad to make the sacrifice. For Tata project I could have given my land for free. I am a proud Rajput today that I will be instrumental in bringing Nano project to Gujarat,” said Vaghela, who feels it’s time for him to repay a debt to Tatas.

“During the great famine of 1900 Jamshetji Tata rescued the Kankrej cows being bred at the farm by making a donation of Rs 1,000,” he explains, adding that his move symbolises the difference in the outlook of farmers in Gujarat and West Bengal.

What’s more, Vaghela also played a role in convincing other farmers to hand over their land to government. All of them sold their land to government on Monday. Of the nearly 2.05 lakh sq mt private land that Gujarat government has acquired for building the road leading to the site identified for Nano plant, almost two-thirds belong to Vaghela.

vina · Post by **vina** » 07 Oct 2008 15:19

.. I hope Yeddy and Karnataka whisper something into Tata Motor's ears and pull a miracle at the last moment and it goes to Dharwad..

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Why in hell would you want to go to random places like Gujarat..Its hot as hell there. If Gujarat swings it, it will be because they offered land close to Ahmedabad and not in the interior. Karnataka cannot offer 1000 acres near Bangalore or Mysore or Mangalore of course and frankly I think the only reason why Gujarat offered land so close to Ahmedabad was to win at all costs and rub the commie /secular noses in the dust by adding insult to injury by bagging the Nano project out of Bengal.

Hmm. How about offering octroi and entry tax exemption for all tata motors vehicles if they move the Nano to karnataka, giving Tata vehicles a cost advantage over others, if they set up the plan in Dharwad ?.Surely Karnataka is a far larger market than Guj.. To make the offer sweeter , how about signing up a "free trade zone with TN " . Surely TN and Karnataka will be far bigger markets combined than Gujarat.. Tata , Toyota and Volvo in KA can be sent across to TN with "national" treatment, and similarly, Hyundai, Ford, BMW ,Mitsubishi, Ashok Leyland , Royal Enfield and TVS can sell their stuff with "national" treatment in KA.. Threaten and cajole the Mallus as well on how bad things might happen to them if they dont fall in line in "free trade zone" with their neighbors in KA and TN..

Folks. it is war! ..Why have made in Dilli Maruti , Honda and others have a free run.. I am not in favor of these intra state boundaries and micro markets , but the Dilli Billi politicos put them there. Now that you have it. use it.. Play dirty if you have to. but get the project to industrialize north karnataka !..

bart · Post by **bart** » 07 Oct 2008 15:31

Its official, Gujarat it is...well done Gujarat.

The Nano production will likely explode into over 500k per year and if exports go well touch a million per year or more. So other states still have a chance for secondary plants.

The main reason Tata opted for Gujarat was that the land was readily available with clear title, so there was no scope for litigation or other delays. Perhaps the only other state that could provide such land at very short notice was TN (Sriperumbudur-Chengalpet belt), but I don't think the TN govt pursued this aggressively - perhaps 1000 acres near Chennai was a bit too much and they felt they could utilize the land better in smaller parcels.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 07 Oct 2008 16:29

vina wrote: Why in hell would you want to go to random places like Gujarat..Its hot as hell there. If Gujarat swings it, it will be because they offered land close to Ahmedabad and not in the interior. Karnataka cannot offer 1000 acres near Bangalore or Mysore or Mangalore of course and frankly I think the only reason why Gujarat offered land so close to Ahmedabad was to win at all costs and rub the commie /secular noses in the dust by adding insult to injury by bagging the Nano project out of Bengal.

Dharwad to me does not have climate like Simla. It is same or slighly better than Ahmedabad. I dont think Gujarat is a random place. Not surely for General Motors plant or L & T Engineering or many Big Engineering companies that I know off in Gujarat. Moreover, 30% of Nano plants come from just one place Rajkot and surely presents huge supply chain advantage.

Surely Karnataka is a far larger market than Guj..

How do you know ?

Tata , Toyota and Volvo in KA can be sent across to TN with "national" treatment, and similarly, Hyundai, Ford, BMW ,Mitsubishi, Ashok Leyland , Royal Enfield and TVS can sell their stuff with "national" treatment in KA.. Threaten and cajole the Mallus as well on how bad things might happen to them if they dont fall in line in "free trade zone" with their neighbors in KA and TN..

This is like a desperado situation. It is not matter of if that there will be a Nano plant in south, its just matter of when. Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Toyota are coming to Gujarat in Delhi-Mumbai Industrial corridor surely they think something more than weather.

Folks. it is war! ..Why have made in Dilli Maruti , Honda and others have a free run.. I am not in favor of these intra state boundaries and micro markets , but the Dilli Billi politicos put them there. Now that you have it. use it.. Play dirty if you have to. but get the project to industrialize north karnataka !..

Why only Autos, why not IT industry be taxed in south-Indian states too. Investment is always a war and every state politicians know how to play it.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 07 Oct 2008 18:06

Sanand near Ahmedabad is Nano's new Home.

The Nano car has got a new home. Tata Motors, in Tuesday, announced that the mother plant for the Nano will be relocated to Sanand in Gujarat.

The company had received overwhelming support from several states for relocating the plant. After examining various sites in these states and carefully evaluating offers from the respective governments, the company has concluded that the site at Sanand and the offer from the Gujarat Government is in the best interest of the project.

The integrated project, comprising the mother plant and the vendor park, will come up on an area of about 1100 acres. The plant, to begin with, will produce 250,000 cars per annum. The capacity is expandable up to 500,000 cars per annum. The project, including Tata Motors’ plant, vendor facilities and service providers, will together generate over 10,000 direct and indirect jobs.

Speaking at the announcement, Ratan N. Tata, Chairman of Tata Sons and Tata Motors, said, "The site in Gujarat, already under the possession of the state government, will help Tata Motors establish a new dedicated mother plant with the shortest possible time lag and least possible incremental project cost. This is Tata Motors’ maiden venture in Gujarat, and will broad-base the company’s manufacturing footprint. We are happy to contribute to Gujarat’s strong industrial progress by creating an auto cluster, which will have a cascading impact on the state’s economy.”

Tata said that after a sad experience with a small quarter of the residents of West Bengal and despite the state government’s efforts in this regard, the company was happy to have a new home for the Nano car.

While awaiting the Sanand plant’s completion, Tata Motors will explore the possibility of manufacturing the Nano at its existing facilities at Pune and Pantnagar, and launch the car in the last quarter of this financial year.
(Dharwad and Jamshedpur where Tata Motor's has existing plants will be the location for NANO's satellite plants)

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 07 Oct 2008 18:11

For Tata's its a welcome change from Singur.No wonder Gujarat is successful in attracting investments.

Gujarat Cabinet approves land for Nano plant(1,00 acres).

Farmers in Sanand welcome Tata's Nano project.

For Tatas, I could give my land free, says farmer.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 07 Oct 2008 18:25

Now that gujarat had got the nano, "bengali intellectuals" like sagarika ghosh will start making noises about why gujarat should not have got the nano. be ready for the feb 31 lies to repeated again. last time when modi won the gujarat election sagarika had fits and questioned the patrioticism of gujaratis and falsely alleged that they dont join the army to fight for the country. it is another matter that commies like her dont want to recall the contribution gujaratis have made towards defending and protecting the country's integrity.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Oct 2008 19:17

Great show Gujurat ! I am very

only for Nano going to Ahmedabad. Others can wait in line for the next phase of zonal manufacturing centers.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 07 Oct 2008 19:51

after all these political dramas, if tatas fails to produce it within expected 1 lakh, it would be the biggest failures of auto-kind.

Vasu wrote:cool, where does he get to take turns at high speeds?
That aside, I think SUV's in general have a high roll-over probability. ..

don't say that to a guzzling hummer owner. btw, innova is nice, yet still bulky for Indian roads.

on the reva! they should seriously think about better battery technology.. say li-polymer or something advanced like nano-technology based to pack more atoms for charge given space [heard its likely 6-10 times]. hope, they overcome the catching fire problems fast.

imho, reva is a nice car for desi market.. they should subsidize it to be available at competing at high end two wheeler costs/ or at nano costs. reva is ideal sell at 1.5L

bart · Post by **bart** » 07 Oct 2008 20:12

pandyan wrote: The reality is Tata's (or rather Tata's business foes...hamara bajaj must be celebrating diwali now) have delayed the high volume production of Nano by atleast couple of years. I wish Tata's had a backup plan to ramp up production on time.

God speed!

Tatas can manufacture and roll out the Nano as of now from both their home facility in Pune and also the temporary Nano production facility in Pantnagar. That was their backup plan. So there wont be much delay in rolling out at least the first batch of Nanos.

The overall move from Singur to Gujarat will probably only set Tata back by 3 months or so. Building a plant these days happens very fast, and most industrial structures are assembled from pre-fab building blocks from companies like Bluescope steel (also a Tata JV

) so its not that tough. And as per reports the pullout from Singur has been going on for over a month now.

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 07 Oct 2008 22:47

Gujarat becomes Nano's new home (India Today)

The Tatas have finalised the site for the Nano factory near Charodi in Sanand, nearly 30 km from Ahmedabad.

About 1,000 acres near Charodi will be made available by the state government on a 99-year lease on an annual rent. Eighty per cent of this land is owned by the state government and the rest by farmers.

The land rate fixation would be done on the basis of prevailing rates. The exact land cost was, however, still not known.

According to reports, unlike Singur in West Bengal, the farmers of Sanand have welcomed the Nano project in their area.

Well, bottomline, India wins. And it does make sense to have one area (Guj) builtup first as our answer to the pearl river delta - with infrastructure, ports, SEZs, regulations, financing and capital mkts nearby, admin and governance of high standards - all favoring a rapidfire rampup of industrial and manufacturing capability.

Go Guj and go India!

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 07 Oct 2008 22:54

Gujarat for Industry and Business
Punjab For Agriculture and Industry

India is fine

Go Punjab and Go Gujarat

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 07 Oct 2008 23:06

Do not rule out the commies cajoling the university jhollawalas to start an agitation protesting the land transfer.

They will demand a referendum under UN supervison.

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 08 Oct 2008 02:53

John Snow wrote:Gujarat for Industry and Business
Punjab For Agriculture and Industry

India is fine

Go Punjab and Go Gujarat

John
We all win when good things happen. I am sure, these farmers will get job, money from land sale, their kids will go for higher education, they will be able to buy Nano at discounted prices, have pride in manufacturing, increased revenue to state, more prosperity for everyone involved. EDITED. As far as these jholawala and pajamas of JNU and their cronies are concerned, go sit in the corner and lick your chops. Whole nation saw what good governance mean, other states who are progressive will follow suit. There has to be a balance though--highly fertile, productive agri land should be preserved for high yield crops so farmers in Punjab, Haryana, Maharashtra, AP, TN, Kntka can reap benefits.
I wonder what does Con-grease think about it.
All in all, Modi Rules, he is ready to be PM of India.

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 08 Oct 2008 02:56

Paul wrote:Do not rule out the commies cajoling the university jhollawalas to start an agitation protesting the land transfer.

They will demand a referendum under UN supervison.

Paul if they do so, I would welcome that, farmers will be ready with their Big bad danda to beat the living crap out of these jholawalas. I may join my Gujju brethren in that. Wish if Andhi Roy, Fool Bidwai, thappars and other Desh Drohi will be there. It will give good opportunity to get even with them.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Oct 2008 03:10

I am actually disappointed with TATA's move. That many jobs in WB would have had that many people as potential candidates away from the Maoists. This is actually a defeat for India.

Rishirishi · Post by **Rishirishi** » 08 Oct 2008 03:36

SwamyG wrote:I am actually disappointed with TATA's move. That many jobs in WB would have had that many people as potential candidates away from the Maoists. This is actually a defeat for India.

Agree, it is a defete in the fight to lift up the backward areas of India. Unless India manages to develop states like UP, Bihar, Jharkand and Bengal, India will remain poor.

However there is one thing good about the case. It exposes the bad politicians and rewards proactive ones. While Modhi is enjoying the limelight, Mamta Banerjee will be blamed for backwardness. If we are lucky, this will end up in a kind of competition between politicians to promote development.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 08 Oct 2008 03:51

No way, this is a good lesson for Bengalis. They can now lie in the bed of their own making.

It's not like they have a choice, unless they can get Mayawati into power.

If you want business investment, you can't blackmail the business community.

Now the CPI-M types can take pause to recognize how demonizing business 364 days out of the year and then kissing and making up on the 365th day doesn't cut it.

Their anti-capitalist politics has made a Frankenstein that they are now hard-pressed to control. Now they can take stock of the mess they made for themselves.

Let this be the Winter of their Discontent.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 08 Oct 2008 04:56

http://deshgujarat.com/2008/10/07/appro ... -chharodi/

Approach road work for Nano project begins in Chharodi
By our correspondent
Chharodi/Sanand/Nano land, DeshGujarat, 7 October, 2008

Gujarat Industrial Development Corporation officials at Chharodi village were busy in finalizing land-cuts to build a broader road that Tata’s Nano project would need even in initial stage for movement of it’s heavy duty vehicles while setting up the plant.

Officials talking to DeshGujarat.Com said they would need to acquire around 18 hectare land to build 1200 meter long four lane wide road between Ahmedabad-Viramgam highway and Nano plant’s main gate.

Nano project’s land is 1200 meter away from Ahmedabad-Viramgam highway. There is a single lane road available as of now for that 1200 meter patch. However for movement of heavy vehicles, this road has to be a four lane at least. Land owners at both the sides of the road were happily ready to sacrifice part their land for Gujarat’s good.

Officials identified three houses that were need to be relocated. Owners of these houses were happily ready to shift for Nano. Talks for rehabilitation package were cordially on.

Engineering measurement of the 1200 meter long road involving at least four different teams was continuously on.

It should be noted that Chief Minister Narendra Modi had appealed Ratan Tata to start manufacturing world’s cheapest car from Gujarat in shortest and fastest period. Everything on the ground seemed well-tuned in this direction.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 08 Oct 2008 07:39

With SEZs in other states also experiencing problems, Gujarat seems to be the only safe bet. Farmers in AP have been agitating too for more compensation. That might have weighed on Tata's mind when choosing Gujarat. I hope this will be a lesson to other states, that they will have to keep up with Gujarat if they want to attract industry. Modi said that he even wants to liberalise labour laws and has been asking the center for permission. Perhaps, if it was a BJP govt he might have got it. Lets hope there will be a BJP govt if only for this reason. Once you have breached the commie, militant labour unions in one state, it will be easier elsewhere.

--hanumadu

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 Oct 2008 07:48

though I'm saddened by the turn of affairs, relocation of the nano plant to gujrat from a CPIM ruled one is apt in some ways !

/the wheel of history turns !

do WB have much hope for the future ? I don't see any silver lining, not unless a new breed of politicians crop up.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 08 Oct 2008 08:08

One reason people are missing that is very basic is - The land compensation that the government is giving to the farmers. The government collects tax on the land and it is valued ridiculously low - like if the market price is 10 lakhs, the official price is 2200 rupees. It is fine and dandy for a farmer to pay tax on Rs. 2200 than on Rs. 10,00000. But if the government acquires the land at Rs 2200 then that is a problem. The government of WB etc are doing just that, where as NM is giving his farmers 10 lakh (the market rate). In AP the farmers are being forced to sell their land to RjaShekhar family for pittance who are then making a killing. So there is lots of politics here. The sad part is that a 'Bania' party is being fair to the poor while a communist or Garibi hatao party is exploiting them.
rgds,
fanne

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Oct 2008 08:10

Baljeet wrote:
Paul wrote:Do not rule out the commies cajoling the university jhollawalas to start an agitation protesting the land transfer.

They will demand a referendum under UN supervison.
Paul if they do so, I would welcome that, farmers will be ready with their Big bad danda to beat the living crap out of these jholawalas. I may join my Gujju brethren in that. Wish if Andhi Roy, Fool Bidwai, thappars and other Desh Drohi will be there. It will give good opportunity to get even with them.

The Nandigram rapist goons' yellow media has already started working on this. They are talking about 'concessions offered to Tata' and 'market price of land' topics that were never raised all these months when it was in Bengal. Nor was it raised when Nandigram land was being offered to a most obnoxious Indon-Chinese businessman with horrible track record in his home country.

This is the first salvo, more will be fired. Expect now the Marxist B-team aka known as dynastic boot lickers to issue statements questioning why land was given to Tata's, why not to XYZ and so on...

Tamasha will go on but fact will remain - Bengal loses big time, now the Stalinists can fry in their own fire. There is a long list of businesses and business families that have quit Bengal / Cal, Tata is only the latest.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2008 08:44

TATA really made my day with this move.
They made it even sweeter for Gujaratis like me to continue accumulating their shares.
Parsis have always rewarded Gujarat and hopefully they would continue to do that. Thanks for that.

I hope Gujaratis would remember Narmada Sarovar drama and kick or kill commies this time if they interfere.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 08 Oct 2008 10:26

Welcome Home TATA. Whoever said this is a war, sure war of business. Good move by Tata to bring business to state of Gujarat.

I say bring TCS, & whoever wants to comes to gujarat to do business. We have some land near sanand & sarkhej, now prices of that land just shot up 30% over night..

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 08 Oct 2008 10:52

I am in favour of nanos running from somewhere. It is not only unfortunate that nano has moved out of West Bengal but the way it has moved had insulted the Bengalis a lot. TATA should have done it in a polite way rather than taking this as a political opportunism. I think the central government should not allow TATA to simply run away like this with a political game with West Bengal people. Though I am not a Bengali but speak the language for me though the movement of nano is fine but I do not think TATA's attitude and the way he moved can be appreciated. If the Central government does not give permission for setting up the project in Gujarat then it is not possible by TATA to set it up there!!!! So in India we need each other let us build this country together rather than setting up things one against the other states and peoples.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 08 Oct 2008 11:08

john, I'm a bengali living in kolkata and I must say you simply don't know the first thing of what you are talking about. I don't want to discuss the politics of nano project in this thread and am therefore not giving a point by point rebuttal o your post.
let's just say, whoever was playing politics, it was not the tatas. they have in fact suffered the a lot of undeserved criticism by way of collateral damage. none of this was their doing.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 08 Oct 2008 11:19

Had the TATAs moved to another state/location where farmers were involved, the commie brigade would have infiltrated and made a frace out of it. All they really need is a few(just 5% as in Singur) of the effected farmers the rest is taken care of my the 'eminent' folk and the media. TATAs cannot afford this bad PR again and sought the safest route out..university land offered by Gujarat. So in a way this is bad news as we are resigning ourselves to commie and anti-progress blackmail.

Arya Sumantra · Post by **Arya Sumantra** » 08 Oct 2008 11:40

Left lost Nano, but vanquished Mamata http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1196371

The title is so apt. Any hopes of removing commies due to public anger against them for their stance on n deal have totally diminished now. Why BJP never expanded into bengal?

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 08 Oct 2008 11:47

joshvajohn wrote:It is not only unfortunate that nano has moved out of West Bengal but the way it has moved had insulted the Bengalis a lot. TATA should have done it in a polite way rather than taking this as a political opportunism. I think the central government should not allow TATA to simply run away like this with a political game with West Bengal people. Though I am not a Bengali but speak the language for me though the movement of nano is fine but I do not think TATA's attitude and the way he moved can be appreciated. If the Central government does not give permission for setting up the project in Gujarat then it is not possible by TATA to set it up there!!!! So in India we need each other let us build this country together rather than setting up things one against the other states and peoples.

Commie-alert bhailog!!!!

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 08 Oct 2008 12:55

Folks who are sad, hold on.

Evil capitalist TATA can go and manufacture Nano elsewhere.
The TARA TINY is still in Bengal.

Tara International has teamed up with China's Aucma, a leading player in the electrical vehicles and appliances segment, to manufacture these cars.
he only disadvantage lies in their speed. These cars cannot run faster than 50 kms an hour. But then that is supposed to be the sane speed for confined and populated areas," he justified.

http://specials.rediff.com/money/2008/mar/17tara4.htm

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 08 Oct 2008 18:13

How Modi’s men fought battle of wits… and won

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 08 Oct 2008 18:33

Sanjay M wrote:How Modi’s men fought battle of wits… and won

From the above link:

Rajagopalan and Kailasnathan originally hail from south India, they started keeping a close tab on every move the two southern states of Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka had initiated to woo the Tatas to set up the project in their respective states.

Both the Gujarat cadre IAS officers successfully used their contacts in the bureaucracy of these two states to apprise Modi of the day-to-day developments on the issue. In fact, Rajagopalan was in constant touch with his counterparts in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, said a senior official.

As Modi relied heavily on these two senior officials, Principal Secretary (Industries) Gauri Kumar was asked to handle the lower rung Tata officials, whenever they visited Gujarat in connection with the Nano project.

Despite the best of incentives offered by Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, the main factors that are believed to have weighed in favour of Gujarat are political stability, good infrastructure and industrial peace in the state.

Since the Assembly polls are due in Andhra Pradesh next year, the Tata think tank was not sure which party would come to power there, and what would be the fate of the project if it is relocated there.

In the case of Karnataka, barring the areas in and around Bangalore and Mysore, no other place in has proper infrastructure or logistics in place, sources in the CMO said.

Moreover, Modi has offered to provide all necessary infrastructure to the Tata Motors at Sanand for its car project and also the ancillary units.

Although Modi did not promise tax incentives and land at concessional rates to the Tatas, his assurance to the auto company to dole out indirect benefits by way of providing infrastructure convinced the automobile giant to set up the project at Sanand.

Sources said the estimated cost of the land purchased by the Tatas to set up shop at Sanand is put between Rs 300 crore and 400 crore. The government has, however, asked Tata Motors to make a staggered payment towards the land cost.

Vina Guru had earlier called KA and TN to band together and wage a 'war' to grab the nano project.

It looks like one side in this war employed Chankiyan strategy and tactics and won the war.

It goes to show that those evil yindoos who follow the wisdom of their ancients win in this world. Those who follow Marx or Gandhi lose.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 08 Oct 2008 18:55

15 minutes and Tata was sold on Gujarat.

GANDHINAGAR: As Team Modi celebrates a landmark development, chairman Tata Group Ratan Tata, in an interview to DNA, says their 15-minute presentation was enough to tilt the cards "overwhelmingly" in favour of Gujarat. Excerpts

What clinched it in favour of Gujarat?
The speed and the fact that Gujarat could transfer possession of the land to us without any hassles could perhaps be the singular reason that made us decide in favour of the state. We got all clearances within a week

What was the relocation exercise like?
We were contacted by seven states, one of them being Gujarat. We responded to all states and our teams visited the proposed sites. A few days later, Gujarat officials made a 15-minute presentation (Imagine Safari clad paunchy beauraucrats making a Powerpoint presentation to the corporate's

). Looking at their tabulation, we immediately knew the cards were overwhelmingly in their favour. The final decision was taken by the Board on Monday night.

When will the first car from Sanand hit the market?
We expect the first phase of the plant to take at least a year to be functional. It is very difficult to predict the time line as it is premature to decide. We want to launch this car probably by the last quarter of the financial year but the volume would be very less.