Indian Response to Terrorism

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 Nov 2008 12:40

Do we have any news on anykind of response other than chai-biskoot? Mumbai police seems to be taking over the investigations. If we are ever going to set up a federal agency to deal with terrorism, it has to be done NOW beginning with this probe. While I understand that requires months of effort and lawmaking, atleast a temporary federal agency team dedicated to terrorism should be formed now. JMHT

I would like to suggest that BRF should have an emergency media task force for these kind of situations. A team who should concentrate on refuting DDMitis and agenda pushing in various internet resources. Something more effective than ranting. Lets do our bit and get our voice heard. We have gurus here who can refute even the hardcore DDm and propganda types. Lets do something.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 29 Nov 2008 12:44

commando hai isi kaam ke liye. jab bhi kaam pare kadam kadam pe sath hai.

keep smiling.. thats what keeps your moral high. we wont leave anyone.. be it pakistani or afghani..

dont thank us ... we just did our duty...

above are the some quotes from commandos...

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 29 Nov 2008 12:49

SaiK wrote:Indus water can be infected with pigs.. burn the pigs and in to the indus water. Let them all drink that

how can we do it when pigs live at downstream...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2008 13:18

Leave alone the sagacity or otherwise of asking the ISI chief to come to India. The fact that Gilani agreed and later Kayani overruled it shows clearly who is ruling that country. We had predicted that here in BRf.

See this

At a meeting here early Saturday, President Asif Ali Zardari, Gilani and Army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani decided against sending Pasha to India . . .The unscheduled meeting held at the presidency continued well past 1.30 a.m.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 Nov 2008 13:27

SSridhar wrote:Leave alone the sagacity or otherwise of asking the ISI chief to come to India. The fact that Gilani agreed and later Kayani overruled it shows clearly who is ruling that country. We had predicted that here in BRf.

See this
At a meeting here early Saturday, President Asif Ali Zardari, Gilani and Army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani decided against sending Pasha to India . . .The unscheduled meeting held at the presidency continued well past 1.30 a.m.

BRF had also predicted Pakis attempting something like this to divert their population's as well as world's attention from the problems facing them. Now that it has happened, I just hope the other predictions about MMS administration's responses do not come true.

suvod · Post by **suvod** » 29 Nov 2008 13:33

NDTV reports - PM meeting service chiefs and Def Scy right now. Congress core grp meeting tonight, all-party meeting tomorrow.

What are our options?
All-out war - should be the last and worst option, I believe.
Limited air/missile strikes against terror hideouts aka US in Afghanistan in 92?
Cave in and compromise? like Kandahar?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2008 13:47

Nothing will happen.

There is a huge American and British (of course, the Brits do not matter to India) operation under way to put India on the defensive, defuse the situation, joint probe etc.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 13:50

SSridhar wrote:Nothing will happen.

There is a huge American and British (of course, the Brits do not matter to India) operation under way to put India on the defensive, defuse the situation, joint probe etc.

Source?

Not surprised that this would happen but if MMS buckles in to this shit it shows a serious lack of balls on the part of every single Kangress leader and ensures their loss in the elections (IMHO).

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Nov 2008 13:56

time for some introspection:

it seems certain that the terrorists had local support.

I just hope our idiotic intelligentsia doesn't turn the post-attack investigations into another "security forces targeting minorities" saga.

many muslims have also perished in this attack. The fight is against Islamic pakistan backed terrorism but our psecs would like to pretend that it is against all muslims.

in equating terrorist=muslim they not only are responsible for the lack of progress in terror investigations (and thereby for the deaths) but are also guilty of painting the whole Indian muslim community as terrorists.

If any class is anti-muslim in India it is this very p'sec community.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 29 Nov 2008 13:57

The MSN report in the main thread says that the IB warned "last Jan",that the LET was planning to "attack Bombay by sea".Training of the attcakers was given by the Paki Navy at Karachi.

These facts all bear the hallmark of a commando operation,planned by that infamous commando who plalanned the Kargil War Gen.Bandicoot,the Musharrat.One year in the planning when Musharrat was in power.The style bears his trademark too and the involvement of the "ENTIRE paki military establishment has now been exposed.The Paki military pigs are now running a=scared to send their ISI chief because the overwhelming evidence is there ,including the pigs captured showing the entire world that Pak and its military/ISI,two sides of the same coin,are the masterminds of this diabolic terror.

Therefore,India must first win the propaganda war by a thorough expose of the Paki outrage and war against Bombay/India,enlighten the international community and the west's intel agencies with extra in-camera evidence and then demand that the chiefs of paki military/ISI ,Musharrat,etc.,all be arrested and brought to trial at the Hague just as Milosevice and co. were prosecuted.As Mrs.Gandhi did,by first touring the world and exposing Pak's genocide in east Pak,so should this Congress leadership by Sonia Gandhi,whom the west acknowledges as the seat of power of the curent GOI,tour the major nations of the world and filling them in with the guilt of Pak.She could take LKA or Jaswant Singh along with her, if the Congress really want all parties to fight Pak together.This will give us time to prepare for armed conflict if need be by immediately making decisions to augment the armed forces,raise the opertaional status of the services (we know through the CAG the plight and state of the Navy's sub fleet) and plan for vengeance.

If the international community after that do bugger all,than its past time for the gloves to come off and a total destruiction of Karachi's naval facilities and the Paki navy should be undertaken.They came from the sea from Karachi,Karachi and the Paki navy must pay.A second series of air/missile attacks against the pigs of the Paki military/ISI HQs should be simultaneously carried out.Before all this,we should seal the borders,break off all links with Pak,diplomatic and civilian and prepare for war."Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold" .There's no need for any indecent haste.Planning for this must be done and given the right amount of time as Sam Bahadur was given by Mrs.G.The military capability of the Paki armed forces should be castrated.

suvod · Post by **suvod** » 29 Nov 2008 13:59

SSridhar,

I hope you are proved wrong. But in my heart, I know you are correct. Yes, nothing will happen. Perhaps this is precisely what Obama "instructed" MMS when he called this morning.

But what about pressure from the Indian public? Doesn't he feel the pressure to at least show a semblance of a reaction?

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2008 14:00

This is the first time since the Mumbai attacks I've posted on BR and spending Thanksgiving in the US I should say that I am thankful that my family doesnt have to live in a country ruled by the impotent and the craven. I've been essentially following the story continuously here on CNN America (which has given it total coverage ) and everything I've seen and heard about this situation leads me to believe that India deserved this attack. All the shame, humiliation and loss it brought with it are also deserved for its reckless apathy and lackadaisical attitude towards terrorism. Any Prime minister with even an iota of dignity would dissolve the Parliament and call for fresh elections after such a colossal failure. Now, we KNOW that Manmohan Singh is a gutless and pathetic man who I wouldnt even hire to secure my house, apparently Indian voters think he can protect their country (or rather Sonia "Gandhi" should I say).

The entire operation that was shown to the whole world was so amateurish and pathetic that it baffled the mind that Mumbai police and Indian police were so utterly useless. The fire brigades, from the last century, were totally incapable of putting out a simple fire for hours, they didnt even have enough fire hydrants! The so called famed "NSG" couldnt even clear the Taj for more than 24 hours. The much talked about "RAW" was useless. There was no semblance of any preservation of the "crime scene" for future forensic analysis, no perimeter, mobs were just let loose to spectate and the worst thing was there was no official government spokesperson to inform the Indian public and the world at large of what the devil was going on until very late in the game and the message from the Indian Prime Minister were banal platitudes that say nothing. It was truly the picture of a banana republic.

If the same thing had happened in the West, I can safely say that it wouldn't take 3 days and cost nearly 200 lives to kill just 11 terrorists no matter how well they were armed or trained. The level of competence of this operations shows just how good the Indian commando's really are. From the results, not nearly as good as all the people here lead others to believe.

This entire episode should be examined with a cold eye to learn from the experience. A country that accepts sporadic terrorist attacks in its stride is merely foolish and its citizenry accepting incompetence from their elected officials even more so. Truly, the deaths of all those who died in all these attacks are not on the hands of the people in mountains of Afghanistan or the madrassas of Pakistan but rather the Indian citizens themselves for electing such ineffectual leaders. If you cant secure your own house, you cant blame the psychopath for entering and slitting your throats while you sleep. The Indian electorate deserves every single terrorist attack and suicide bombing and anyone killed for the choices it makes on election day.

As Hindu scriptures say, this was all your 'Karma'.

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Nov 2008 14:05

If the same thing had happened in the West, I can safely say that it wouldn't take 3 days and cost nearly 200 lives to kill just 11 terrorists no matter how well they were armed or trained. The level of competence of this operations shows just how good the Indian commando's really are. From the results, not nearly as good as all the people here lead others to believe.

Yeah,right....
When you have two 800 room buildings and a 4 storey building in a narrow overcrowded by lane with ~200-300 hostages in each and terrorists armed like tanks(wit lots of booby traps), i would love to see which SF could have done better....

Truely a shocking post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2008 14:08

Brando, the 200 deaths cannot be attributed to any laxity on the part of the commandoes. The terrorists, operating in three bands, randomly shot at and killed people especially in two of the biggest hotels in Mumbai. As for why it took 56 hours, there could be some blame on decision-making authorities on the way they responded. But, I would refrain from making any comments on the operations per se. Details will come out soon as to what exactly happened.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Nov 2008 14:10

If the same thing had happened in the West, I can safely say that it wouldn't take 3 days and cost nearly 200 lives to kill just 11 terrorists no matter how well they were armed or trained. The level of competence of this operations shows just how good the Indian commando's really are. From the results, not nearly as good as all the people here lead others to believe.

oh, really ? and the west has handled an attack of such magnitude where ?
go through the hostage rescue records of the famed 'western' SF and know for yourself.
they are truly western, all brag and no substance.

The so called famed "NSG" couldnt even clear the Taj for more than 24 hours.

what idiotic rant is this ? where do you get such 'facts' ? the all knowing CNN I suppose.

yes the politicians are pathetic but the security forces have discharged their duties with supreme competence, much better than most western showpiece commandos could have.

SSridhar, enough details have already come in. the SFs have saved close to a 1000 people after joining the ops in spite of the terrorists running around.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 29 Nov 2008 14:12

Its high time India took some sort a punitive action against "interests" in Pakistan.

Pakistan keeps on taking action against us through terrorists without worrying about a risk of full-scale war. Why are we so scared that we don't take any action against interests in Pakistan. Any sane country would have take a punitive action under the situation.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 29 Nov 2008 14:14

There is a major difference in what we've seen in the last few days in Bombay and other terrorist attacks/seiges worldwide.In those seiges,the terrorists had demands and wanted their comrades released ,etc.They did NOT start butchering hostages immediately as we saw at the Taj.From the interrogation of the captured pig,the attackers were surprised at the response and speed of the anti-terror ops by the Bombay police first,who weren't afraid to lay down their lives doing their duty and then the special forces who under such handicaps,did their best to save hostages before going after the attackers.Compare this with the great British anti-terror squad who shot by mistake and without making any attempt at capturing him,the poor Brazilian,de Menezes, in the London tube bombings. There the British anti-terror police without giving him any warning just repeatedlky shot an unarmed man in the head! The enquiry into the affiar has cost the head of the London police his job.

Had our forces "waited",as some Israelis have said criticising our forces,the terrorists would've had enough time to kill more hostages and set off their explosives in attempts to bring down the two hotels which was their plan,from the captured pig's statements.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 14:18

Brando wrote:This is the first time since the Mumbai attacks I've posted on BR and spending Thanksgiving in the US I should say that I am thankful that my family doesnt have to live in a country ruled by the impotent and the craven.

Unsure who this Mahatma is, being that I am new here but I don't like his tone.

Brando, if you think about it for a second you will realize that the insane population density of Mumbai makes security much harder and this isn't a bank robber holding 10 people hostage, it's urban warfare. Ever wonder why the US took such casualties in Iraq? Well, now you know.

Having said that, there were clearly several failures on part of the politicians (as usual) and the intelligence community. If you are willing to make your points in a non-obnoxious tone, you'll find that we are capable of listening to and digesting hard but painful truths too. There is a thread called lessons learnt from mumbai that'll be unlocked shortly, if you are willing to reform your ways.

suvod · Post by **suvod** » 29 Nov 2008 14:21

at least we don't have
a. politicians like Bush who recites nursery rhymes while terrorist land planes inside buildings
b. crisis mgmt agencies (!!) like FEMA who handled Katrina so brilliantly
c. security forces who are brave only when fighting from 20,000ft above the ground

somebody put a tape on this turd's mouth. The stench is offensive.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 29 Nov 2008 14:25

Brando wrote: ....
The entire operation that was shown to the whole world was so amateurish and pathetic that it baffled the mind that Mumbai police and Indian police were so utterly useless. The fire brigades, from the last century, were totally incapable of putting out a simple fire for hours, they didnt even have enough fire hydrants! The so called famed "NSG" couldnt even clear the Taj for more than 24 hours. The much talked about "RAW" was useless. There was no semblance of any preservation of the "crime scene" for future forensic analysis, no perimeter, mobs were just let loose to spectate and the worst thing was there was no official government spokesperson to inform the Indian public and the world at large of what the devil was going on until very late in the game and the message from the Indian Prime Minister were banal platitudes that say nothing. It was truly the picture of a banana republic.

I agree with all your points but NSG. Even without much support from government they have handled situation very smartly. Many of the NSG commando are being wasted and demoralized by guarding useless leaders like laloo, mulayam, mayawati e.t.c.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 14:32

R_Kumar wrote: I agree with all your points but NSG. Even without much support from government they have handled situation very smartly. Many of the NSG commando are being wasted and demoralized by guarding useless leaders like laloo, mulayam, mayawati e.t.c.

Agreed.

I will say this at the risk of inviting censure. If the policemen at CST had done their job, scores of lives would have been saved. The Bombay police has some very brave men, including those who died yesterday, but they have a long way to go. If you see two men with machine guns plowing through citizens and you are a cop with a gun, I don't care if it's a BB gun, you take a shot.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 29 Nov 2008 14:37

trivedi wrote:
R_Kumar wrote: If you see two men with machine guns plowing through citizens and you are a cop with a gun, I don't care if it's a BB gun, you take a shot.

Well the malaise runs deep. At the country level it would mean taking a shot against interests in Pakistan. But, no it won't be done and the terrorists will continue to feel that they can take such action without any risk at all. We (our leaders) are scared of starting a full-scale war, but those in Pakistan are not. Face it, the Indian government is institutionally meek and this has been demonstrated over and over again and will also be demonstrated in this case.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Nov 2008 14:41

Amidst all this mayhem, there is another developing situation off Somalia

A tanker with 25 Indian sailors hijacked by Somali terrorists.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2008 14:43

suvod wrote:at least we don't have
a. politicians like Bush who recites nursery rhymes while terrorist land planes inside buildings
b. crisis mgmt agencies (!!) like FEMA who handled Katrina so brilliantly
c. security forces who are brave only when fighting from 20,000ft above the ground

somebody put a tape on this turd's mouth. The stench is offensive.

Obviously you dont have the courage to look at this critically and dispassionately and thus the futile and pathetic insults.

FACT: After 9/11 there has not been a single terrorist attack within the US.

Cant you say the same after any Indian leader acted upon terrorism ? If you think Bush was bad, you should hate your PM. At least Bush has kept America terror free since 2002.

It doesnt matter if it 20,000 ft or 20 feet. Fighting terrorism is not a bravery contest, it is about killing terrorists. The more the better.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 29 Nov 2008 14:47

Brando wrote:
suvod wrote: At least Bush has kept America terror free since 2002.

At what cost? Over 100,000 innocent civilians killed in Iraq in a war that was fought for what reason exactly? Acts such as these breed terrorism in the rest of the Islamic world and lead to incidents such as those that you saw in Mumbai.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 14:49

Brando wrote:
It doesnt matter if it 20,000 ft or 20 feet. Fighting terrorism is not a bravery contest, it is about killing terrorists. The more the better.

Without discounting any of your previous points that are true AND without condoning your air of superiority, I will say that having friendly neighbors to the North and the South and a sea on the other two sides gives a country significant advantage over it's enemies. When you have enemies to your East, West, North and South, it's much harder. So don't get all proud and misty eyed about Bush: his blunders have fortunately not materialized as a terrorist attack but will unfortunately continue to haunt the entire world for at least a decade to come. If you think all the hatred that he has stoked amongst Iraq's extremists - a whole new klan of extremists he created all on his own - will just die down after BO withdraws, you'll be surprised.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2008 14:53

akl wrote:
Brando wrote:
At what cost? Over 100,000 innocent civilians killed in Iraq in a war that was fought for what reason exactly? Acts such as these breed terrorism in the rest of the Islamic world and lead to incidents such as those that you saw in Mumbai.

100,000 or 100 million doesnt matter to a President as long as his country is safe. The whole middle east can be ejected into space when it comes down to it if it means your country is safe if that is what it takes.

The results speak for themselves, the methods are irrelevant. Are you not willing to do ANYTHING to save the ones you love ? Bush is.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 14:56

Brando wrote: The whole middle east can be ejected into space when it comes down to it if it means your country is safe if that is what it takes.

The problem, Brando, is that while the middle east may not have landed on your heads in Bush's two terms, it's about to (and with it Russia, Iran) - unless Barack can pull some superhuman moves.

You should do anything to protect your country - but you've got to look at more than your own 8 years.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2008 14:58

trivedi wrote:
Brando wrote:
Without discounting any of your previous points that are true AND without condoning your air of superiority, I will say that having friendly neighbors to the North and the South and a sea on the other two sides gives a country significant advantage over it's enemies. When you have enemies to your East, West, North and South, it's much harder. So don't get all proud and misty eyed about Bush: his blunders have fortunately not materialized as a terrorist attack but will unfortunately continue to haunt the entire world for at least a decade to come. If you think all the hatred that he has stoked amongst Iraq's extremists - a whole new klan of extremists he created all on his own - will just die down after BO withdraws, you'll be surprised.

What will happen nobody knows.
I'm not defending Bush but rather I'm saying that India is not doing what it takes. By attacking Bush/America you are merely deflecting from seeing the issues with India. There is no point in stubbornly defending everything in India over pride. If you truly care, you should be able to openly criticize and point out the flaws as well.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 29 Nov 2008 15:00

Brando wrote: 100,000 or 100 million doesnt matter to a President as long as his country is safe.

What a fool you have for a president then. Not much different in ideology than the terrorists that he is chasing. Plus your ignorance is astounding, because guess what Iraq had nothing to do with either terrorism or 9/11, but it had everything to do with Oil. 100,000 deaths for something that they were not even remotely responsible for????

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 15:03

Brando wrote: I'm not defending Bush but rather I'm saying that India is not doing what it takes. By attacking Bush/America you are merely deflecting from seeing the issues with India. There is no point in stubbornly defending everything in India over pride. If you truly care, you should be able to openly criticize and point out the flaws as well.

If you care to read my two previous replies to your post, you will find that pointing out flaws is exactly what I have done. My pride in my country does not preclude me from accepting that the way it is run is imperfect.

But pointing out the flaws in one's country does not require touting the superiority of other countries and calling it a banana republic - like you are doing. Adjectives, sir, do not constructive criticism make.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Nov 2008 15:03

Brando wrote:100,000 or 100 million doesnt matter to a President as long as his country is safe. The whole middle east can be ejected into space when it comes down to it if it means your country is safe if that is what it takes.

The results speak for themselves, the methods are irrelevant. Are you not willing to do ANYTHING to save the ones you love ? Bush is.

what GWB admin did inside US is commendable but they also created an enemy out of thin air by attacking iraq.

unfortunately, US will receive returns on its iraq investments in some form or the other for at least the next 15-20 years. attacking iraq has NOTHING to do with GOAT.

and do check the efficiency of your super-efficient western SF here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hostage_crises

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 29 Nov 2008 15:05

Guys pls don't derail this thread with US and Iraq.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2008 15:05

trivedi wrote:
Brando wrote: The whole middle east can be ejected into space when it comes down to it if it means your country is safe if that is what it takes.
The problem, Brando, is that while the middle east may not have landed on your heads in Bush's two terms, it's about to (and with it Russia, Iran) - unless Barack can pull some superhuman moves.

You should do anything to protect your country - but you've got to look at more than your own 8 years.

I'm not going to talk about Bush or defend American policy. It is useless and not relevant.

From the numerous discussions/ analysis with many many intelligence and security experts all over the media and the internet, many of them have pointed out how many things were not done and many shortcomings. Not only of the Indian government leadership but also of the commando operations themselves.

The Israelis criticize the commando operations for being too soon. An FBI counter terrorist expert also criticized how the crime scene was not preseved in many areas and there were no signs of a perimeter leading to jouranlists getting hurt. How there werent enough fire hydrants. Later, news reports came out claiming contradictory reports on the status of the siege at the Taj. The Mumbai ATS cheif getting killed. Hijacking police vehicles.
So many things went wrong. That is a fact.

If you dont want to hear about it, you shouldnt bother reading.

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 29 Nov 2008 15:07

Brando wrote:
If you dont want to hear about it, you shouldnt bother reading.

If you DO want to hear about it, you should bother to read posts in which I discuss them - including the one I specifically invited you to join if you're willing to drop this America rocks, you suck bullshit and talk in specifics - like the post in which I pointed out the failure of the cops patrolling the CST station.

And just to make a final point on now irrelevant topic of America, you brought it into the discussion.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 29 Nov 2008 15:14

Brando wrote: The Israelis criticize the commando operations for being too soon. An FBI counter terrorist expert also criticized how the crime scene was not preseved in many areas and there were no signs of a perimeter leading to jouranlists getting hurt.

Well, they (FBI, Israeli commando) were not in charge so can bitch and moan as much as they want. As for the rest NSG will analyze the operations in due time. Done?

My concern is that this does not happen again. And the only way that is possible if we give encouragement to the Pakistani interests to do some cost benefit analysis by inflicting some punitive action on Pakistani interests.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2008 15:19

Rahul M wrote:
Brando wrote:100,000 or 100 million doesnt matter to a President as long as his country is safe. The whole middle east can be ejected into space when it comes down to it if it means your country is safe if that is what it takes.

The results speak for themselves, the methods are irrelevant. Are you not willing to do ANYTHING to save the ones you love ? Bush is.
and do check the efficiency of your super-efficient western SF here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hostage_crises

Actually that is a very handy link. ALL US situations were resolved in less than 24 hours as you can see.

I would particularly like to draw parallels between the Moscow Theater Hostage crisis and the situation at the Taj. Both situations parallel in the fact that desperate terrorists held many hundreds of people hostage. In the end the OSNAZ chemical raid proved a very unique solution to the problem saving hundreds of lives. They tried to negotiate initially and then resorted to the attack in the end. There were civilian casualties there as well but the situation was resolved much more quickly and swiftly and helped Russia gain the upper hand on Chechnya.

Such a radical solution could have potentially been used on the Taj as the hostage taker was going to kill people regardless.

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Nov 2008 15:25

In the end the OSNAZ chemical raid proved a very unique solution to the problem saving hundreds of lives. They tried to negotiate initially and then resorted to the attack in the end. There were civilian casualties there as well but the situation was resolved much more quickly and swiftly and helped Russia gain the upper hand on Chechnya.

Such a radical solution could have potentially been used on the Taj as the hostage taker was going to kill people regardless.

So, getting a operation done in 2.5 days is worse(with minimal hostage mortality once the ops started since most were anyways dead) than getting it done in 2 days with more than half the hostages dead?

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 29 Nov 2008 15:27

MAryland took 4 days and how many of these attacks were carried out by well trained terrorists, well planned with the help of intelligence agencies?

Taj is lot bigger then Moscow theatre, perhaps gas was not a option there. Moreover, if it had happen and hostages died because of it you will
still get to hear botched up operation by NSG.

Better concentrate on the specific reponse/action we took or could have taken. Instead of making idiotic comparisons when there is no precedent.

Thank you

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 29 Nov 2008 15:27

trivedi wrote:
Brando wrote:
If you dont want to hear about it, you shouldnt bother reading.
If you DO want to hear about it, you should bother to read posts in which I discuss them - including the one I specifically invited you to join if you're willing to drop this America rocks, you suck bullshit and talk in specifics - like the post in which I pointed out the failure of the cops patrolling the CST station.

And just to make a final point on now irrelevant topic of America, you brought it into the discussion.

I completely agree with fact the CST police being useless. But that is how most of Mumbai police runs business. They are paper soldiers of the state at best. Most of them. A real threat and they have no idea what to do as this situation clearly demonstrated. I have also mentioned the various other specific points that were criticized by various people across the world .

I never said 'America rocks', that is your imagination. I said this situation would not have been allowed to happen in the West.