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Russian TU-142 Bear ASW LRMP aircraft on a training flight crashes in the Far East.The IN operates about 8 of the same aircraft.This turboprop aircraft,the fastest prop aircraft in the world with exceptionally long range,was originally designed as a strategic bomber and is still widely used in Russia for the same purpose as well as in the LRMP role.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/83479 ... te]Russian army plane crashes in sea

A Russian military plane with at least nine people on board has crashed in the country's Far East, officials say.

The Tu-142 anti-submarine aircraft went down in the Tatar Strait on a training flight shortly after 1100 GMT.

It is not known if there were survivors in the crash, about 15km (nine miles) off the coast, although one report said some human remains had been found.

The Tu-142 is a maritime reconnaissance aircraft which was widely used by the Soviet navy.

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Further news:

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20091107/156741482.html
Russia's Pacific Fleet suspends flights of its naval planes

© RIA Novosti Vitaliy Ankov
11 people missing in Russian military plane crash
Russian military plane crashes in Far East

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VLADIVOSTOK, November 7 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Pacific Fleet suspended on Saturday all flights of its naval aviation following the crash of a Tu-142 maritime reconnaissance plane in Russia's Far East, the fleet spokesman said.

A Tu-142M3 Bear-F plane reportedly went down during a combat training flight around 21:19 local time (11:19 GMT) on Friday some 20 kilometers (12 miles) offshore in the Tatar Strait, which separates mainland Russia from the island of Sakhalin.

"A special commission is investigating the causes of the crash of the plane, which had 11 people on board. The flights have been suspended until the investigation is complete. The search for the missing crew is still underway," the spokesman said.

According to preliminary data, the crash was caused by a technical failure.

The official confirmed that the remains of the plane were found on Saturday morning at the depth of about 44 meters (144 feet).

A Russian Defense Ministry source earlier said that the Navy would deploy, if necessary, the advanced Pantera and Kalmar robotic deep-water rescue vehicles to recover the plane's on-board recording devices.

Tu-142M3 is a Russian maritime reconnaissance/anti-submarine warfare (ASW) turboprop aircraft. It is a modified version of the Tu-95 Bear strategic bomber.

According to open sources, Russia's Pacific Fleet has at least eight Tu-142M3 aircraft in service.
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Two Russian corvettes for Vietnam. Article.
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PEOPLES REPUBLIC of CHINA,Chinese Navy

CHINESE use VLF signals in the range 20-25khz
Of the 22 listed VLF frequencies for the Chinese Navy, only 20.6 kHz, in use.

CHANGDE is monitored using A1A morse
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USS New York Commissioned

Some pictures and video there too.
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ImageNavies of 2 Koreas exchange fire near border
SEOUL, South Korea – A badly damaged North Korean patrol ship retreated in flames Tuesday after a skirmish with a South Korean naval vessel along their disputed western coast, the first such clash in seven years, South Korean officials said.
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Moskit-MBE missile system with the 3M-80MBE anti-ship missile is designed to kill surface ships, acting as part of aircraft carrier groups, as well as transports of convoys, amphibious ships of amphibious groups, missile (torpedo) boats and single ships, hydrofoils and hovercraft, under conditions of fire and electronic counteraction.
Moskit-MBE ship-borne missile system is intended for export as part of 12421 project missile boats, 956E project destroyers and other Russian ships. It can be exported independently and deployed onboard the foreign Customer's ships.
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Russian nuclear sub starts sea trials after overhaul

The overhaul, which started in 2004, included noise reduction, improved enemy ship and submarine tracking capabilities, and enhanced survivability. The submarine has been equipped with 16 Sineva RSM-54 missiles.

K-18 Karelia could join Russia's Northern Fleet by the end of this year, the shipyard said in a statement on Wednesday.
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China’s New Missile May Create a ‘No-Go Zone’ for U.S. Fleet
The missile, with a range of almost 900 miles (1,500 kilometers), would be fired from mobile, land-based launchers and is “specifically designed to defeat U.S. carrier strike groups,” the Office of Naval Intelligence reported.

Five of the U.S. Navy’s 11 carriers are based in the Pacific and operate freely in international waters near China. Their mission includes defending Taiwan should China seek to exercise by force its claim to the island democracy, which it considers a breakaway province.

The missile could turn this region into a “no-go zone” for U.S. carriers, said Andrew Krepinevich, president of the Center for Strategic and Budget Assessments in Washington
Another 800-pound gorilla is being in make in our neighborhood, while our "hame kya milega" politicians stashing their loot in swish banks without bothering the nation. Only god can save this nation.
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HMAS Toowoomba, an ANZAC class long range frigate is berthed at Mumbai for a few days. I don't know if they are having open days for the public.
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Navy finds lax behavior aboard sub in collision
"Correction of any one of nearly 30 tactical and watchstander errors, or adherence to standard procedures, could have prevented this collision," Adm. John C. Harvey Jr., commander of commander of U.S. Fleet Forces Command, wrote in endorsing the investigation's findings.

The submarine had five known "sleepers," or sailors who would routinely nod off on watch, but no disciplinary action was taken, the report states. Two of the five sailors were working during the collision, but investigators found no evidence they were asleep.

During the hour before the collision, investigators say, sonar operators in charge of monitoring nearby ships were chatting informally; the supervisor left his station; the navigator was taking an exam while listening to his iPod; and the officer in command did not check the periscope.

The lax behavior that day wasn't unusual, according to the report. The Hartford's command leadership routinely observed informal behavior by sailors operating the submarine, but did not immediately correct it, investigators found.

Those driving the ship would often slouch in their seats with one hand on the controls, and sometimes take their shoes off. Sonar operators and radiomen were missing from their stations for extended periods, and speakers were added to the radio room to listen to music during work.

"This appearance of a lack of standards, and of a general reticence to hold personnel accountable to standards, did not inspire either the questioning attitude or the forceful watch team backup" that could have helped avoid the collision, the report said.
TOUGH CONDITIONS onboard a SUBMARINE!!! Pitty as this could have been avoided...
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China's noisy nuke subs.This is the first report of a comparison of Russian and Chinese nuclear subs on the quietness scale.Check the link for the chart.
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Nov 21China’s Noisy Nuclear Submarines
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China’s newest nuclear submarines are noisier than 1970s-era Soviet nuclear submarines.

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By Hans M. Kristensen

China’s new Jin-class ballistic missile submarine is noisier than the Russian Delta III-class submarines built more than 30 years ago, according to a report produced by the U.S. Navy’s Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).

The report, which was first posted on the FAS Secrecy News Blog and has since been removed from the ONI web site, is to my knowledge the first official description made public of Chinese and Russian modern nuclear submarine noise levels.

Force Level

The report shows that China now has two Jin SSBNs, one of which is based at Hainan Island with the South Sea Fleet, along with two Type 093 Shang-class nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSN). The Jin was first described at Hainan in February 2008 and the two Shangs in September 2008. The second Jin SSBN is based at Jianggezhuang with the North Sea Fleet alongside the old Xia-class SSBN and four Han-class SSNs.

The report confirms the existence of the Type 095, a third-generation SSN intended to follow the Type 093 Shang-class. Five Type 095s are expected from around 2015. The Type-95 is estimated to be noisier than the Russian Akula I SSN built 20 years ago.

Missile Range

The ONI report states that the JL-2 sea-launched ballistic missile on the Jin SSBNs has a range of ~4,000 nautical miles (~7,400 km) “is capable of reaching the continental United States from Chinese littorals.” Not quite, unless Chinese littorals extend well into the Sea of Japan. Since the continental United States does not include Alaska and Hawaii, a warhead from a 7,400-km range JL-2 would fall into the sea about 800 km from Seattle. A JL-2 carrying penetration aids in addition to a warhead would presumably have a shorter range.

Julang-2 SLBM Range According to ONI



Although the ONI report states that the Julang-2 can target the Continental United States, the range estimate it provides is insufficient to reach the lower 48 states or Hawaii.


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Alaska would be in range if the JL-2 is launched from the very northern parts of Chinese waters, but Hawaii is out of range unless the missile is launched from a position close to South Korea or Japan. The U.S. Defense Department’s 2009 report to Congress on the Military Power of the People’s Republic of China also shows the range of the JL-2 to be insufficient to target the Continental United States or Hawaii from Chinese waters. The JL-2 instead appears to be a regional weapon with potential mission against Russia and India and U.S. bases in Guam and Japan.

Patrol Levels

The report also states that Chinese submarine patrols have “more than tripled” over the past few years, when compared to the historical levels of the last two decades.

That sounds like a lot, but given that the entire Chinese submarine fleet in those two decades in average conducted fewer than three patrols per year combined, a trippling doesn’t amout to a whole lot for a submarine fleet of 63 submarines. According to data obtained from ONI under FOIA, the patrol number in 2008 was 12.

Since only the most capable of the Chinese attack submarines presumably conduct these patrols away from Chinese waters – and since China has yet to send one of its ballistic missile submarines on patrol – that could mean one or two patrols per year per submarine.

Implications

The ONI report concludes that the Jin SSBN with the JL-2 SLBM gives the PLA Navy its first credible second-strike nuclear capability. The authors must mean in principle, because in a war such noisy submarines would presumably be highly vulnerabe to U.S. or Japanese anti-submarine warfare forces. (The noise level of China’s most modern diesel-electric submarines is another matter; ONI says some are comparable to Russian diesel-electric submarines).

That does raise an interesting question about the Chinese SSBN program: if Chinese leaders are so concerned about the vulnerability of their nuclear deterrent, why base a significant portion of it on a few noisy platforms and send them out to sea where they can be sunk by U.S. attack submarines in a war? And if Chinese planners know that the sea-based deterrent is much more vulnerable than its land-based deterrent, why do they waste money on the SSBN program?

The answer is probably a combination of national prestige and scenarios involving India or Russia that have less capable anti-submarine forces.

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/11/subnoise.php
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THALES APAR radar and SMART L radar video
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/br ... 5802191808

British nuclear expert Stephen Ludlam to head Australian Submarine Corporation

PS:Tx Igorr for the extremely interesting article on alternatives to SSBNs.I think that the pics opf the B-90 Sarov,perhaps the first,are revealing,as the sub has a silo of VLS abaft the sail and in some ways the sail does has some resemblences to the Arihant ATV.The class/design could be used for a Brahmos AIP sub for the IN's second line.
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France shows off cutting-edge navy ship in Russia
Russian officials announced this year that they were planning to make their first arms deal with a NATO country by buying a French vessel like the Mistral, a 23,700-ton (21,500-metric ton), 980-foot (299-meter) vessel able carry more than a dozen helicopters able to haul hundreds of troops directly onto enemy territory.

The head of the Russian navy has said that a Mistral-class vessel could put as many troops in Georgia in 40 minutes as the Russian Black Sea Fleet took 26 hours to land during the nations' August 2008 war. Moscow declared the Russian-allied breakaway Georgian territory of Abkhazia an independent nation after the war and sent thousands of troops there. Russia, Georgia and Ukraine all have Black Sea coastlines, as does Abkhazia.

Russian media reports have said a Mistral-class ship would cost Russia up to euro500 million ($750 million). Officials in Moscow have expressed interest in buying licenses to build several more in Russia.

Bruno Daffix, a spokesman for the French Defense Ministry's export and sales agency, described the ship as a "Swiss army knife" of military ships — able to carry helicopters, land forces, hospitals or refugees, among other things.
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was this dicussed here before?
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/07/n ... s_071209w/
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Philip wrote:China's noisy nuke subs.This is the first report of a comparison of Russian and Chinese nuclear subs on the quietness scale.Check the link for the chart.
Philip very interesting and nice find .

Per ONI even the latest SSBN Jin is worse than Delta 3 in acoustic quietening and type 095 is lower in scale compared to Akula-1 , show the effort that goes into quitening a sub.
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^^^

errr...the bigger one's Borei right?

Navy seeks proposals for USS JFK (for free!!!)

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BTW, that ship is just 38 years old! Could IN be salivating for it?
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Dmurphy wrote:^^^

errr...the bigger one's Borei right?
The bigger one is Typhoon.... :twisted:
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errr...the bigger one's Borei right?

Good Joke!

But for the sake of clarity- The one in the background is Typhoon!

Alright just one more on the enormity of the Typhoon.

here's an image of a Typhoon next to an Oscar.
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you'll find this one and more at

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... hp?t=72835
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due to the angle the Borei looks more sdre than it is. there has to be a good section aft of the humpback section to house the two reactors and engine rooms.

still, the typhoon could probably ram and sink most ships they fitted a narwhal type battering ram on the bow.
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Singha wrote:due to the angle the Borei looks more sdre than it is. there has to be a good section aft of the humpback section to house the two reactors and engine rooms.
Per wiki, the Borei is shorter than the Typhoon by only 5 meters.
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massive a/cs must have its own short range missile defence shield. our ADS should be planned for the most effective use.
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USS JFK. Nice.

Replace the boilers with reactors. Test bed.
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2nd keel of the Gorshkov 22350 class frigate laid down on 27th November , some pics

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Somali pirates hijack oil tanker going to US
The Greece-flagged Maran Centaurus was hijacked Sunday about 800 miles (1,300 kilometers) off the coast of Somalia, said Cmdr. John Harbour, a spokesman for the EU Naval Force. Harbour said it originated from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia and was destined for the United States. The ship has 28 crew members on board, he said.

The shipping intelligence company Lloyd's List said the Maran Centaurus is a "very large crude carrier, with a capacity of over 300,000 tons." Officials could not immediately say how many barrels of oil were on board, but its value would be in the millions of dollars.
Sure way to invite their death. They messed with the WRONG COUNTRY..There is no way in hell the US is going to negotigate.. hope these scoundrels DIE IN PEACE!!May god bless their poor souls!
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The Gorshkov class frigate is a very neat design,with a load of weaponry packed into a small hull and excellent stealth shaping.

The Japanese helo carrier is nothing but a true arircraft carrier.Japan is buying large numbers of JSF's and the STOVL version will definitely be acquired for us eaboard Japan's flat tops.The Japanese are simply using terminology used by the Soviets during the Cold War,to overcome some treaty restrictions on free transit of carriers by calling them "cruisers",etc.

MOre info about the noisy Chinese subs.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4396071
China's Subs Getting Quieter
But Still Louder Than Older Russian Submarines
By william matthews
Published: 30 November 2009

The Chinese Navy appears to be stressing quality over quantity as it modernizes its submarine force, according to a U.S. Navy intelligence report. But China still has a way to go on quality. Some of its newest submarines are as noisy as subs built decades ago.

Nuclear-powered Jin-class ballistic missile submarines are designed to give China's naval force, known as the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), "a credible second-strike capability," the U.S. Navy said in an August intelligence report that surfaced briefly on the Office of Naval Intelligence Web site, then vanished. The report was captured and published by the Federation of American Scientists.

The Jins - there are two in service - are more advanced than China's first-generation Xia ballistic missile submarines, but they're not exactly stealth machines.

According to a chart in the U.S. Navy report, Jins are louder than Soviet Delta III submarines built 30 years ago.

That raises questions about just how useful the submarines might be as a deterrent, said Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists.

Second-strike capability is intended to cause adversaries to refrain from attacking because whoever has second-strike capability can counterattack. But putting ballistic missiles on noisy submarines might not be an effective second-strike strategy.

"If these are clunkers that you can hear all the way to Hawaii," they are likely to be quickly found and sunk in any conflict with the U.S. or Russian navies, Kristensen said. "With this noise level, they're very detectable."

A new Chinese nuclear attack submarine called a Type 095 rates better on the U.S. Navy's noise scale, but it is still louder than a 20-year-old Soviet-designed Akula attack sub, according to the Navy chart. The 095 submarines are expected to begin entering the Chinese fleet in 2015.

Even if they are noisy, they are not as noisy as the Han- and Shang-class nuclear attack submarines that came before them, the intelligence chart shows.

This is apparently the first time a U.S. Navy description of the noise levels of modern Chinese and Russian nuclear submarines has been made public, Kristensen said. The report is titled "The People's Liberation Army Navy: A Modern Navy With Chinese Characteristics."

Threat or Not?

There are two ways to interpret the U.S. Navy's data, a U.S. government naval expert said. One is that China's noisy submarines are inferior to any in the U.S. fleet, and therefore not much of a threat. The other is that the new subs demonstrate that Chinese submarine technology is getting better, and loud though they might be, Chinese submarines are getting quieter.

And real performance in the ocean is "not quite as one-dimensional as the Navy's chart depicts," he said. China's submarines can be quieter under certain operating conditions.

On the whole, however, the new Chinese submarines are "not anything at this point that we should panic over in terms of detecting and tracking them," he said.

According to the U.S. Navy, China currently has three nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines, six nuclear-powered attack submarines and 53 diesel-electric attack submarines.

This 62-sub fleet is expected to grow to about 75 by 2020 or 2025 as new submarines, including non-nuclear air independent propulsion vessels, are added to the fleet.

The intelligence report also predicts that all of China's new attack submarines will probably be armed with advanced cruise missiles. Today's attack submarines are armed with anti-ship cruise missiles, wake-homing torpedoes and mines, according to a Nov. 23 report by the Congressional Research Service.

China's Jins are designed to carry 12 JL-2 nuclear-armed ballistic missiles with a range of 3,888 nautical miles, according to the U.S. Defense Department's annual Chinese Military Power report.

The Naval Intelligence report said that with Jin-class submarines and JL-2 ballistic missiles, "China is developing a near-continuous at-sea strategic deterrent." The missiles are "capable of reaching the continental United States from Chinese littorals," giving the PLAN "its first credible second-strike nuclear capability."

Kristensen said he's not convinced.

Citing other Defense Department numbers, he said missiles fired from Jin-class submarines in Chinese waters "would fall into the sea about 800 kilometers [about 500 miles] from Seattle."

"With the range this system has, it is not a system that can target the United States unless they sail well into the Pacific," Kristensen said. "I'm very puzzled about why the Chinese would be putting their crown jewels - JL-2 missiles - on submarines that are that vulnerable."

Using Jin submarines only makes sense as a deterrent "if they survive. And a blunt claim would be that they would not survive in a war with the United States," he said.

The Jin and its missiles appear to be "a regional weapon," that could threaten Japan or U.S. military assets on Guam, he said.

Perhaps the Jins are not intended to be a deterrent against the United States. Their missiles might be intended to deter Russia, which has a history of border tensions with China, Kristensen said.

India also may be a target for Chinese deterrence. India has nuclear weapons, but as yet, none that can strike as far as China, he said.

Or perhaps the submarines and their missiles are intended as a display of national pride, he said. When nations become military powers, one of the things they do is build ballistic missile submarines, Kristensen said.

Lt. Cmdr. Billy Ray Davis, a U.S. Navy spokesman, said no one was available to answer questions about the report. ■
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Austin wrote:2nd keel of the Gorshkov 22350 class frigate laid down on 27th November , some pics

http://i016.radikal.ru/0911/c8/5c0dd0652858.jpg
http://s11.radikal.ru/i184/0911/ca/76d29a763653.jpg

Keel Pics
2 darker faces on the mast below spherical dome look like that its for 4 faced radar,so please tell more about this.
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Fighting piracy: private security companies in the Gulf of Aden
Note: I'm researching companies that provide ship owners and marine insurers with security, crisis management and legal services to help them deal with the Somali piracy threat.

On Thursday I wrote about private security companies (PSCs) doing anti-piracy work off the Horn of Africa. What services do these companies provide to ship owners?

Shipboard security: small teams, usually three to six people, deploy to vessels for the duration of transits. Some board and disembark from Yemen ports. Others work longer transits, from Suez, Mombasa, Dar-es-Salaam, Durban, the UAE and Galle, Sri Lanka. This gives teams more time to get familiar with the ship, its crew and routines, and work out how to secure it. GoAGT charges US$35,000 for a transit through Yemen waters.
Escorts through high risk waters: PVI has its own escort vessel. MAST advertises that it can charter ex-military patrol craft to escort super yachts. GEO/Shield, GoAGT and Muse utilize Yemen navy or coastguard vessels. GoAGT advertises that "a heavily armoured 37.5m Austral patrol boat" will accompany a ship (cost: US $45-55K). On the other hand, ISSG does not provide escorts: a company executive told me that "we feel that the only way to properly defend a vessel is from the vessel itself".
Information and advice: companies provide ship owners and masters with voyage risk assessments and intelligence updates, advice on route planning and onboard security, crew training, and 24 hour monitoring during transits. Drum Cussac, for instance, will monitor a ship's progress and advise the master on changing threat levels. Muse utilize the services of an anti-piracy centre run by the Yemen government.

Security teams primarily seek to detect and deter pirates. "A properly and visibly secured vessel will likely be passed on by the pirates," a Gulf of Aden contractor told me. "They prefer a ship they can take quickly, without too much trouble". With approximately 200 ships transiting the Gulf of Aden daily, the pirates have many ships to choose from.

If deterrence doesn't work, security teams will try to make boarding difficult and dangerous for pirates. One way of doing this is having the ship change direction sharply so that the wash capsizes pirate boats. As a last resort, teams will try to stop pirates boarding and gaining access to the ship's superstructure, e.g., by using acoustic devices and high pressure firehoses.

Most security is non-lethal. Some companies, like REDfour, MAST and Muse Pro Group will provide armed guards, but this depends on the flags of the vessels. Other companies, like Drum-Cussac, equip their teams with non-lethal means of repelling boarders.

According to the Gulf of Aden contractor, companies engage security personnel when needed. They're often British, former special forces and marines. REDfour, for instance, recruit team leaders who've served in the SAS and SBS (Special Boat Service), the elite of British special forces units.

I asked the Gulf of Aden contractor why Brits, rather than say Americans, are used. It comes down to distance and expense, he said. "Teams are flown in from Heathrow to a port to board, and flown home to Heathrow at the end of the job. Flights from the US are too long and expensive".


But some companies look beyond the British armed forces for security personnel. Some US-flagged vessels carry armed American guards. Muse employs former American servicemen - former US Navy SEALS, Special Forces and Delta soldiers. A Muse company executive told me that "time in service, combat experience and training is what we look for. And a good brain". GoAGT uses Yemeni soldiers and coastguards. ISSG recruits former marine commandos from the Indian navy, with a minimum of 15 years military service and mariner qualifications.
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A sub-tender for DG.IT indicates that the tender can support 4 subs there,an indication of how many subs the US can station in the IOR out of DG.

Sub Tender Moving to Diego Garcia in Spring
By Kitsap Sun staff
Published Friday, December 4, 2009

BREMERTON —

The submarine tender USS Emory S. Land, at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard for the past two years, will depart for Diego Garcia next spring. Rear Adm. Douglas McAneny, commander of Submarine Force U.S. Pacific Fleet, made the announcement on Tuesday.

Diego Garcia is a 37-mile-long coral atoll in the Indian Ocean, where the United States and the United Kingdom jointly operate a military base. Moving the Emory Land there will allow the Navy to maintain fast-attack and guided-missile submarines while they’re out on patrol. The floating base can accommodate up to four subs moored alongside simultaneously.

“Forward-deploying USS Emory S. Land to Diego Garcia will dramatically reduce transit time for our submarines operating in 5th Fleet that require intermediate-level maintenance, emergent repair, or logistics support,” McAneny stated in a press release.

The 649-foot Emory Land is completing a major overhaul at the shipyard. It is expected to leave Bremerton in the spring and be at Diego Garcia next summer.

The submarine tender arrived in Bremerton in November 2007, but $87 million in work didn’t begin until September 2008. The work was completed on Sept. 29, one day early and $700,000 under budget, according to the shipyard.

While here, the ship is converting from an all-Navy crew of 83 officers and 1,268 enlisted to a hybrid crew of 192 Navy sailors and 160 Military Sealift Command mariners with a total crew of 450. Civilians will operate the ship; sailors will fix and supply submarines and surface ships that pull up to it.

http://m.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/dec/04 ... in-spring/
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Igorr da's latest post gives the glimpses of 1971 war with Pak.

1971. The War of Nerves in Bengal Bay

Mods, please move to appropriate thread if this is wrong place. Percepts of the then Soviet naval operations prompted me to post it here.
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Sperry Marine to Supply Radar for Virginia-class Block III Subs
The most obvious change is the switch from 12 vertical launch tubes, to 12 missiles in 2 tubes that use technology from the Ohio Class special forces/ strike SSGN program. The Virginia’s hull has a smaller cross-section than the converted ballistic missile SSGNs, so the “6-shooters” will be shorter and a bit wider. Nevertheless, they will share a great deal of common technology, allowing innovations on either platform to be incorporated into the other submarine class during major maintenance milestones. Net savings are about $8 million to program baseline costs.

The other big change you can see in the above diagram is switching from an air-backed sonar sphere to a water-backed Large Aperture Bow (LAB) array. Eliminating the hundreds of SUBSAFE penetrations that help maintain required pressure in the air-backed sonar sphere will save approximately $11 million per hull, and begins with the FY 2012 boats (SSNs 787-788).

The LAB Array has 2 primary components: the passive array, which will provide improved performance, and a medium-frequency active array. It utilizes transducers from the SSN-21 Seawolf Class that are that are designed to last the life of the hull. This is rather par for the course, as the Virginia Class’ was created in the 1990s to incorporate key elements of the $4 billion Seawolf Class submarine technologies into a cheaper boat.

The SUBSAFE eliminations, plus the life-of-the-hull transducers, will help to reduce the submarines’ life cycle costs as well by removing moving parts that require maintenance, eliminating possible points of failure and repair, and removing the need for transducer replacements in drydock.

The bow redesign is not limited to these changes, however, and includes 25 associated redesign efforts. These are estimated to reduce construction costs by another $20 million per hull beginning with the FY 2012 submarine.

With the $19 million ($11 + 08) from the LAB array and Vertical Payload, and the $20 million from the associated changes, General Dynamics is $39 million toward the $200 million baseline costs goal of “2 for 4 in 12”. While the changes themselves will begin with the FY 2009 ship, the savings are targeted at FY 2012 because of the learning curve required as part of the switch. Recent discussions concerning an earlier shift to 2 submarines per year would result in faster production of the Block III submarines, but would be unlikely to make a huge difference to that learning curve.
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Most interesting,that Abu Dhabi is investing in HDW's sub yard.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... y30tQl_p8A
Abu Dhabi Is Seeking Stake in HDW Submarine Maker
By Tony Czuczka and Patrick Donahue

Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Abu Dhabi MAR Group is considering taking a stake of less than 25 percent in ThyssenKrupp AG’s HDW submarine-building unit, which supplies navies in Europe, the Middle East and other regions, the German government said.

“The government is aware” of Abu Dhabi MAR’s interest in HDW, Economy Ministry spokeswoman Beatrix Brodkorb told reporters in Berlin today. Abu Dhabi MAR is seeking a 24.9 percent stake in Kiel, Germany-based Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft GmbH, known as HDW, Handelsblatt newspaper reported earlier today.

The proposed stake would add to the Abu Dhabi shipbuilding group’s partnership with Essen-based ThyssenKrupp, the German steelmaker and shipbuilder that’s selling assets and reducing staff to trim debt and return to profit. ThyssenKrupp spokeswoman Anja Gerber declined to comment and phone calls to Abu Dhabi MAR went unanswered after business hours.

Abu Dhabi MAR’s planned stake is below the 25 percent threshold that lets the government block bids for a company by funds or companies whose majority owners are from outside the European Union, Brodkorb said, without giving a specific number.

The two companies already plan to set up a 50/50 joint venture for surface military vessels to be named Blohm + Voss Naval. Abu Dhabi MAR will also buy 80 percent of ThyssenKrupp’s Blohm + Voss Shipyards, Blohm + Voss Repair and Blohm + Voss Industries units, Abu Dhabi MAR said in an Oct. 15 statement.

ThyssenKrupp also wants to sell its Greek shipyards. The buyer will pay ThyssenKrupp a token price of 1 euro ($1.50) and “some” of the 220 million euros the unit is owed by the Greek government, ThyssenKrupp board member Olaf Berlien said Nov. 27, without identifying the potential buyers.

The company canceled contracts with Greece in September for the construction and maintenance of submarines after the country failed to pay for the vessels.

To contact the reporters responsible for this story: Patrick Donahue in Berlin at [email protected]; Tony Czuczka in Berlin at [email protected];
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Taiwan to get German U-214 subs via the US.The German U_214/212s seem to be the cjoice of US allies like IUsrael,S.Korea,Turkey.Greece (returned one because of alleged defects) and the Pakis are also hoping for them too

http://english.rti.org.tw/Content/GetSi ... ntID=92118
The United States is preparing to sell German-made submarines to Taiwan as part of its latest arms package. That's according to the US-based Foreign Policy magazine, which was quoted on the website of Hong-Kong newspaper Singtao on Sunday.

Foreign Policy reported that the United States may make an announcement on its latest arms deal to Taiwan before next Friday, when President Barack Obama will attend the UN Climate Change summit in Copenhagen. The package is not expected to include F-16C/D fighter jets but should include 60 Black Hawk helicopters.

News agency Reuters also quoted remarks by US state department official Robert Kovac that the United States would sell four Type 214 submarines to Taiwan. The Type 214 submarine is developed and built in Germany and is currently operated by navies including South Korea and Turkey. It features an Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) system to run at reduced noise and avoid detection
Meanwhile, the wonderful wizards of Oz,who cannot even operate their Collins class subs,have mighty ambitions and are drawing up plans for a most ambitious class of subs for the future,as well as several surface combatants.This massive naval buildup is aimed at China and India too(!),judging from the utterances and writings of the wizards of Oz.
Push for single naval shipbuilder as part of radical reform
Patrick Walters, National security editor From: The Australian December 14, 2009

AUSTRALIA'S naval shipbuilding industry must face up to further radical reform, including the option of a single naval constructor, according to a defence report commissioned by the South Australian government.

It says Australia must capitalise on an estimated $250 billion of planned investment by Defence in 48 new warships over the next 30 years to build a sustainable naval shipbuilding industry.

But building such an industry will require a sweeping overhaul of project and contract management, including the possible move to a sole naval shipbuilder, if the nation is to realise the full strategic benefit from the Rudd government's defence build-up.

The report, to be launched today by the chairman of the SA government's defence advisory board, Peter Cosgrove, says Australia's biggest and most ambitious defence build-up since World War II, including 12 new submarines and 11 major surface warships, represents a major nation-building opportunity for Australia. "This creates the opportunity, indeed the need, to revolutionise the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of naval shipbuilding and through-life support, and to develop a sustainable national industry and skills capability which will flow through to other `hi-tech' industries," General Cosgrove says. "Apart from cost efficiencies for Defence, the program will be a driver for jobs growth and improved social wellbeing across the nation."

Submarine job bonanza
Adelaide Now, 8 hours ago
Rann seeks deal to build a flotilla
The Australian, 19 hours ago
Brit nuclear expert to head sub builder
The Australian, 23 Nov 2009
Rudd's subs may never float
The Australian, 13 Nov 2009

The report comes as the Defence Department is under intense pressure to purchase more hi-tech defence equipment "off the shelf" from overseas rather than foster indigenous design, engineering and manufacturing skills. The Rudd government's new defence white paper envisages the construction of at least 48 new vessels worth about $100bn over the next 20 years.

When through-life support is added on, this represents a "$250bn nation-building opportunity", the report says.

The report argues that it may not be in Australia's national interest to retain two major naval shipbuilders or prime contractors (currently BAE Systems in Melbourne and ASC in Adelaide).

The issue of competition in Australian warship construction remains a sensitive issue, with the Defence Materiel Organisation arguing the need to retain competition at the prime contractor level for major projects such as the planned $36bn next-generation submarine.

The report says the government should consider Adelaide-based ASC, the builder of the Collins-class submarines, as the key candidate to become the nation's sole naval shipbuilder.
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Baldev wrote:
Austin wrote:2nd keel of the Gorshkov 22350 class frigate laid down on 27th November , some pics

http://i016.radikal.ru/0911/c8/5c0dd0652858.jpg
http://s11.radikal.ru/i184/0911/ca/76d29a763653.jpg

Keel Pics
2 darker faces on the mast below spherical dome look like that its for 4 faced radar,so please tell more about this.
Yes thats the 4 faced PESA Radar ( like US Aegis ) for this new type , reportedly the long range SAM of Groshkov class frigate will be a variant of S-400 missile with a max range of 120 km ( 9M96E and 9M96E2 ) and the antiship will be Brahmos.
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Hmmm.. I wonder if Brahmos was chosen to make it attractive for P-17a? 120 km range SAM would be awesome but I think IN will try to standardize on Barak-II(70-80 km) and Barak-I.
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vavinash wrote:Hmmm.. I wonder if Brahmos was chosen to make it attractive for P-17a? 120 km range SAM would be awesome but I think IN will try to standardize on Barak-II(70-80 km) and Barak-I.
No its part of the deal to induct Brahmos in Russian and Indian service , although India had to do some talking so that Russia obliges with its part of the deal , but with Groshkov class they are starting to induct it.

Groshkov class frigates are in contention for IN P-17A deal , but its better to stick with a western platform both for technology and construction specially from French stable , the down side will be it will cost 2 - 3 times more than a similar Russian system.
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