Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 Sep 2010 09:01

Tweet from Subramanium Swamy

Swamy39 : worry about BPTP,benami owned by Vadra which received Rs. crores of CWG

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Sep 2010 09:04

I for one am not overly worried to see the scam and shamble the games have become.

IMVVHO, crisis is our friend for it alone can dislodge entrenched special interests corrupting the system. Let's hope we don't waste this crisis is all. Lots in terms of accountability, planning, transparency and the like could be fixed with a modicum of will given the impetus and the tailwind that crisis provides.

The flip side also is that, if the games go even passably well, then the crisis potential is all but lost only.

P.S.
The argument that somehow 'India' loses if the games flop is pure bumkum. IMHO, of course. H&D protection at the expense of reality or truth is neither sustainable nor desirable. Exposure of warts and all to sunlight is precisely the greatest strength of open societies and (supposedly) open govts only.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 23 Sep 2010 09:12

The myth is, that since private enterprise and pvt individuals are doing good that the government of India has somehow miraculously improved. They have not changed. The same old chaps and culture have been fossilized in N.Delhi . These buggers look at people like Modi as a threat and hence attack them. A Single family that feels entitled to ruling India and have ruled India for 85% of the time since independence is very telling..that India is really not a matured republic. The far lefty "intellectuals" controlled media is another 5th column.

The Honorable and decent thing to do is...to cancel this event. You should know when to quit. Then the leadership should commit Hara Kiri.. i.e. if they have an ounce of dignity and self respect.

vina · Post by **vina** » 23 Sep 2010 09:27

Manny wrote:Maybe the country doesn't need New Delhi. Its irrelevant.

It needs New Delhi like you need a bullet in your head. New Delhi has always been, is and WILL be the parasite sucking up blood from the rest of the country.

New Delhi epitomizes venality, corruption and possibly everything that is wrong with this country. New Delhi has lot more in common with Pakistan and it's RAPE than anything else.

As for H&D and if the games are not a success, it is a question about "India" is concerned, this is simply not true. This is not the commonwealth games of India, but commonwealth games of DELHI , much as Sheila Dixit would like to say otherwise. I don't think anyone anywhere else gives a rat's arse about these Dilli games . The only thing they are concerned about is the $5b that the Dilli Billis have done "swaha" until now.

That $5b is gone and it is immaterial if the games succeed or not. I really hope the games collapse and are not held. That will put paid to at least one avenue of the Dilli Billis thieving via "Asian Games" and "Olympics" or whatever for at least the next 20 /30 years.

All my prayers for the games failing. No skin off my nose here.

vina · Post by **vina** » 23 Sep 2010 09:32

Hari Seldon wrote:I for one am not overly worried to see the scam and shamble the games have become.

IMVVHO, crisis is our friend for it alone can dislodge entrenched special interests corrupting the system. Let's hope we don't waste this crisis is all. Lots in terms of accountability, planning, transparency and the like could be fixed with a modicum of will given the impetus and the tailwind that crisis provides.

The flip side also is that, if the games go even passably well, then the crisis potential is all but lost only.

Exactly. Where is the great sage , Shri Shir Rahul Mehta Maharaji Ji when we need him. This is a dilli billi thieving scum led screw up.

There is lot more to be gained if the games fail than if the games succeed. I really do hope that the games fail and a "crisis"

(as if anyone gives a f**K about the Inglees Media in New Dilli created noise about Dilli Games) is created and let them create more noise. A "success" will let people forget about the small matter of $5b upwards that went into this.

A "failure" would get large blaring press coverage and the mango abdul in this country will sit up and ask , what they spent 15,000 crores for goras from AusTrashalia , Ingiland , Kaneda and New Zealand to do track and field and swim and have a party ?.

The argument that somehow 'India' loses if the games flop is pure bumkum. IMHO, of course. H&D protection at the expense of reality or truth is neither sustainable nor desirable. Exposure of warts and all to sunlight is precisely the greatest strength of open societies and (supposedly) open govts only.

True. True.. More than anything else, the H&D protection is meant to cover Dilli's thieving ways that is all.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 23 Sep 2010 09:45

Damn I was just going to write about moving capital to a city that did not have so much adharma. Delhi is soaked with it. It is Indias version of RAPE

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Sep 2010 09:54

shyam wrote:Average public who may be willing to go to street for protest do not care about this game.

Amen. Even I dont expect any large scale protests to happen in New Delhi or any other part of India regarding the swindling done in the name of "Common Wealth". People would consider it as just a sporting event which was mismanaged. But if the memories of this humiliation is kept alive, we can save a few billions by preventing Dilli Billis from bidding for any other sporting event (even a football match).

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 23 Sep 2010 10:08

I am simply astonished that some people in this forum actually want these games to fail. I for one hate Delhi and all the corruption it represents.But this is not about Delhi.This is also not about the elites. This is about India. Do people here have any idea what will happen if these games become failure.It's not just about H&D.It will have rippling negative effects in many other areas.

Debate whether India should hosts these games or not should happen before India went to the bids.But once the decision has been taken to host the games, its everyone's responsibility to make sure that the games are a success. This is not the right time to question the legitimacy of the games.Post mortem needs to be done after the games are over.Doing it now will be a self goal.There is a time for everything.

This is a emergency crises.We need to support our govt (even if it is the congress which i hate like anything) in making sure these games are succcesful.If the games become failure, its not sheila dixit or mms who will be shamed.It is us Indians who will be shamed collectively.The congress and the sonia cabal will simply blame the BJP for bidding the event and will use the oppertunity to showcase yuvaraj as the saviour.

Failure of the games is not in anyone's interest definetely not in the common man's interest.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 23 Sep 2010 10:11

Rony wrote:It will have rippling negative effects in many other areas.

Such as....?

vina · Post by **vina** » 23 Sep 2010 10:24

Rony wrote:But this is not about Delhi.This is also not about the elites. This is about India.

NOT TRUE. THESE ARE DELHI GAMES. INDIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS

its everyone's responsibility to make sure that the games are a success

Oh no . It is everyone's responsibility to make sure that their tax monies are spent responsibly and not stolen by Dilli. If Dilli wants the games, let them spend out of their own pockets and run it as they want. I dont care.

This is a emergency crises.We need to support our govt (even if it is the congress which i hate like anything) in making sure these games are succcesful.

Huh.. Some goras dont do track and field and swim and have a party and it becomes a "crisis"? This aint no crisis. The success or failure of these games have no bearing whatsoever in any manner to anyone. Lets not manufacture crises where none exist. If there is a crisis in Delhi right now, it is the Yamuna flooding. The Dilli govt would be better advised to focus on that instead of these useless games . And anyway , this is not a GOI thing. It never was and it shouldn't become so.

Failure of the games is not in anyone's interest definetely not in the common man's interest.

On the contrary, the failure is very much in the common man's interest. It will stop future stealing from him in the name of "games" .

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 23 Sep 2010 10:29

Rony wrote:I am simply astonished that some people in this forum actually want these games to fail. I for one hate Delhi and all the corruption it represents.But this is not about Delhi.This is also not about the elites. This is about India. Do people here have any idea what will happen if these games become failure.It's not just about H&D.It will have rippling negative effects in many other areas.

I don't get it. What exactly does this reflect other than you can't get fast, cheap and best at the same time. Pick two.
We chose cheap and cheap ergo see what you get. When we choose quality and fast we get the Delhi Metro.

Honestly when you have to essentially do a complete makeover/start from scratch $3 Billion is a pittance for the projects involved.
We spent more than that on a single Airport for gods sake! And it is not even the worlds biggest.
Panda spent more than $60 Billion on the Olympics and that is their number. Much of the side stuff was not counted.

Don't expect world class quality at Jugaad prices.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 23 Sep 2010 10:31

Being a Delhi'ite myself for the better part of my life I would totally agree with Vina Ji when she says:

vina wrote:
Rony wrote:But this is not about Delhi.This is also not about the elites. This is about India.
NOT TRUE. THESE ARE DELHI GAMES. INDIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS

its everyone's responsibility to make sure that the games are a success
Oh no . It is everyone's responsibility to make sure that their tax monies are spent responsibly and not stolen by Dilli. If Dilli wants the games, let them spend out of their own pockets and run it as they want. I dont care.

This is a emergency crises.We need to support our govt (even if it is the congress which i hate like anything) in making sure these games are succcesful.
Huh.. Some goras dont do track and field and swim and have a party and it becomes a "crisis"? This aint no crisis. The success or failure of these games have no bearing whatsoever in any manner to anyone. Lets not manufacture crises where none exist. If there is a crisis in Delhi right now, it is the Yamuna flooding. The Dilli govt would be better advised to focus on that instead of these useless games . And anyway , this is not a GOI thing. It never was and it shouldn't become so.

Failure of the games is not in anyone's interest definetely not in the common man's interest.
On the contrary, the failure is very much in the common man's interest. It will stop future stealing from him in the name of "games" .

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 23 Sep 2010 10:32

Well, at least the CommonWealth Games have given us a reminder of how politicians amass Wealth while playing Games with the Common man.

It's rightly said that India is not going to get another opportunity to host any games for the next few decades - whether CommonWealth Games, Olympic Games, etc.

This is a good example of "India Shining"

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 23 Sep 2010 10:40

vina wrote: NOT TRUE. THESE ARE DELHI GAMES. INDIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS

The problem with this reasoning is that the western world will see it as India's games. And that's what's going to cause problems.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Sep 2010 10:41

Well all those blaming Delhi, Delhities, stoically lived in a dug up bombed out city for over 5 years without any complaints what so ever, just so that the games succeed big time.

Right now Dilli Billi's are very very angry. You have to see the level of anger to believe it.

And these guys dont have to come out on streets to make changes.

Hope for Sheila Aunty that the games are a success to some level, I hate to think what will happen to her otherwise.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 23 Sep 2010 10:42

In the above video, Mr Kapadia says that people must be more concerned about how many medals India will get in this game. I see some chankianness in that direction. If many athlets pull out of the game, India will be the number one in the medal tally

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 23 Sep 2010 10:44

TonyMontana wrote: The problem with this reasoning is that the western world will see it as India's games. And that's what's going to cause problems.

Let them see the truth.We are not like your beloved PRC to hide anything.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 23 Sep 2010 10:49

Manishw wrote:
TonyMontana wrote: The problem with this reasoning is that the western world will see it as India's games. And that's what's going to cause problems.
Let them see the truth.We are not like your beloved PRC to hide anything.

Always have to drag the PRC into it huh?

I hope "freedom" doesn't become a crutch for you. As in, "we're this onlee...but at least we have freedom..." or "Doesn't matter we can't do this...but at least we have freedom." or "Never mind the mess...at least we have freedom..."

Don't get me wrong. Me love me freedom. I just hope it's not a excuse for everything.

//sorry for the johnny-come-lately editing
///LOL. I see you did the same.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 23 Sep 2010 10:53

TonyMontana wrote: Always have to drag the PRC into it huh?

illogical eh

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 23 Sep 2010 10:53

Sanku wrote:Well all those blaming Delhi, Delhities, stoically lived in a dug up bombed out city for over 5 years without any complaints what so ever, just so that the games succeed big time.
Right now Dilli Billi's are very very angry. You have to see the level of anger to believe it.
And these guys dont have to come out on streets to make changes.
Hope for Sheila Aunty that the games are a success to some level, I hate to think what will happen to her otherwise.

I have asked earlier and the sense i got from Sachin (the brf big daddy) was that Dilli Billi's didnot refer to the people living in delhi. And now you refer to all people as the Billis.
The anger is meaningless since it doesnot translate into votes against the prevelant GOI and the state govt and MCD, PWD, DJB, CM, PM.
The only acronym who will be made suffer is the BJP.

vina wrote: NOT TRUE. THESE ARE DELHI GAMES. INDIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS

Why are these Delhi's games alone?
If they were well organised and done with clockwork precision, would they still be Delhis games? All of you guys in India chose the govt that sits in power in center. All are equal contributors to it.
This is as much your games as it is mine in Delhi.
we have endured the bombed out city and now we have to endure the ignominy. How unfair!
And what do we get for all this? poor quality pavements and Pothholes with remnants of roads mixed with dog faeces floating within them.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Sep 2010 10:57

The Commonwealth Games for Delhi were awarded in 2002, so why has it taken so long to get the infrastructure done? Both the GoI and Delhi govt. are to blame for this mess.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Sep 2010 11:09

AdityaM wrote:
Sanku wrote:(1)Well all those blaming Delhi, Delhities, stoically lived in a dug up bombed out city for over 5 years without any complaints what so ever, just so that the games succeed big time.

(2)Right now Dilli Billi's are very very angry. You have to see the level of anger to believe it.
I have asked earlier and the sense i got from Sachin (the brf big daddy) was that Dilli Billi's didnot refer to the people living in delhi. And now you refer to all people as the Billis.

No Shriman, those are two different lines. Perhaps I should have been more careful.

Mango Dehlite is royally pissed, so are the Billi's. Lets see what happens.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 23 Sep 2010 11:16

Mort Walker wrote:The Commonwealth Games for Delhi were awarded in 2002

Hmmm... So BJP got it and INC screwed it. Now I understand why Modi was ridiculing MMS over CWG preparation.

vina · Post by **vina** » 23 Sep 2010 11:22

TonyMontana wrote:The problem with this reasoning is that the western world will see it as India's games.

Who gives a f**k about what the "West" thinks. As if we care about what they think or if it has any consequence .

And that's what's going to cause problems.

Such as ..?

Yawn.. What the rest of the world is going to "Rediscover" is that governments and anything that is "public" in nature in India are as a rule corrupt, sclerotic, incapable of doing anything and that have too much politics and vested interests. They will rediscover that India works despite the govt and public bodies and not because of it. Nothing new or earth shattering there.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 23 Sep 2010 11:23

Dilli billis are not angry, they are just being politically correct. Almost every Dilli billi worth his/her name has made money in this orgy of corruption. However, the average Delhiite is extremely pissed off & Sheila aunty's image everywhere invites huge displeasure & abuses. She's going out for sure, games success or not.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 23 Sep 2010 11:28

Rony wrote:But once the decision has been taken to host the games, its everyone's responsibility to make sure that the games are a success.

I dont see how common man (or most of the people who post at BR) can do any thing to make the Common Wealth games as a success. People who stay in Delhi, can protest but that again would be a token gesture. The shoddy work was done by the contractors, chosen by our corrupt politicians and babus at New Delhi. What should the common man do? Walk around with brooms and toilet cleaning equipments and fix up issues? Or walk around inspecting buildings, and identify potential risk areas?

The only thing which the common man can do is to lie through the teeth, and repeatedly say that Common Wealth games are one grand success. We can all get coached in this by M/s Shiela Dixit, Kalmadi and that Bhanot chap. We can follow the theory of Geobells who said "a lie repeated a hundred time becomes the truth"

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The congress and the sonia cabal will simply blame the BJP for bidding the event and will use the oppertunity to showcase yuvaraj as the saviour.

If BJP gets blamed, they jolly good can sit and sulk. BJP members were there in Parliament, they have a strong presence in New Delhi but they took no notice. The entire politician, babu, contractor cabal at New Delhi is in this mess. I will not be too surprised if BJP (or for that matter any) politician in New Delhi have got a cut from the money siphoned off.

TonyMontana wrote: The problem with this reasoning is that the western world will see it as India's games. And that's what's going to cause problems.

We need to live with that for some time from now

. The common people across India, by paying tax etc. have provided all possible help to make the games a success. And that too for games to be held in a city, where many of them may have not even stepped in their life times.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 23 Sep 2010 11:31

RamaY wrote: Vera_k or VijayK

Could you please summarize key contributions of MMS in the past 6 years? Really appreciate the items where he had a clear vision on something and he was thwarted by SG/RG/Leftist-media kabal.

Another question is why is he clinging on to the seat in such a bad company? On what items he compromised (in return for the seat) and on what items he didn't?

thanks

Does this even have to be said any more? MMS is the greatest Prime Minister the Republic of India has had till date simply because of role he has played in the economic transformation. Life has improved for the largest number of people under his watch. Plus I suspect if he had been Prime Minister in place of the dynastic doofus Rajiv Gandhi, time wouldn't have been wasted on the religious issues in the 80s and 90s.

vina · Post by **vina** » 23 Sep 2010 11:35

AdityaM wrote:I have asked earlier and the sense i got from Sachin (the brf big daddy) was that Dilli Billi's didnot refer to the people living in delhi. And now you refer to all people as the Billis.

As beneficiaries /supplicants via trickle down of the loot of the Billis, the Mango Dillis too are in most ways culpable.

Why are these Delhi's games alone?

Err. Outside of Dilli no one whatsoever has the faintest attachment in anyway with the Dilli Games. A cricket match in Dilli with India playing will enjoy far higher TV viewership and public interest. Frankly no one gives a damn. I haven't heard of anyone at all planning to visit Dilli for the games.

All of you guys in India chose the govt that sits in power in center. All are equal contributors to it.

Err. I didn't elect them to give freebies and spend money in Dilli. But all the same, I would be the happiest person if Dilli falls of the map into the sea and it comes an inland sea like the Caspian sea or something.

This is as much your games as it is mine in Delhi.
we have endured the bombed out city and now we have to endure the ignominy. How unfair!
And what do we get for all this? poor quality pavements and Pothholes with remnants of roads mixed with dog faeces floating within them.

That is because you didn't care and you had no need to care because it wasn't your tax money going into it. It was somebody else's money and so you had no ownership. If Dilli govt had put in a special "Common Wealth tax" for the past 3 or 4 years in addition to the normal taxes and the city had financed it out of it's own tax base, it would have been very different.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Sep 2010 11:37

Chandragupta wrote:Dilli billis are not angry, they are just being politically correct. Almost every Dilli billi worth his/her name has made money in this orgy of corruption.

No, they are pissed, corruption or otherwise, they wanted great games, so that this chapter closes, they make good on the investments (the Billi's had invested hoping for economic windfall on games) and move on.

The last thing they need is a witch hunt forced by bad games. There is a code of honor even amongst thieves.

Sachin wrote:If BJP gets blamed, they jolly good can sit and sulk. BJP members were there in Parliament, they have a strong presence in New Delhi but they took no notice.

Not true, a lot of noises were being made, but BJP has been wiped out at the state level, their presence is at municipal corporater level, but thats MCD, most of the games project is directly under the Lt Gvr and Chief Minister as PWD and NDMC are the main agencies driving this.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Sep 2010 11:39

vina wrote: As beneficiaries /supplicants via trickle down of the loot of the Billis, the Mango Dillis too are in most ways culpable.

All those who voted in Congress in Delhi and center are basically responsible.

They are now trying to blame everyone but themselves.

Your hate filled rant against Delhi is comic but nothing more, but thats ok, I can understand the reasons for your frustration.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Sep 2010 11:42

PM takes charge of the Commonwealth Games

Sensing the urgency of ensuring that the Commonwealth Games [ Images ] are held in New Delhi [ Images ] from October 3 to 14 and remove the clouds of uncertainty whether the games would be held at all or not, Prime minister Dr Manmohn Singh intervened to save beleagured Suresh Kalmadi [ Images ] and his cronies from and save India [ Images ] being shamed in the international sports arena.

Cabinet secretary KN Chandrashekhar, who was made over all in charge of looking after the completion of the construction work at the games village near Yamuna river and other stadiums, held discussions with Lt. Governor of Delhi Tejinder Khanna who told Chandrashekhar the work was in full stream.

Cabinet secretary also had discussions with Shiela Dikshit,chief minister of Delhi, and made her in charge of overseeing cleaning up operations at the CWG village.

Prime minister Dr Singh was upset when his attention was drawn to a news report that foreign ministers of some of the Commonwealth Games nations were likely to meet on September 27 to chalk out joint strategy about taking part in the Commonwealth Games to be held in New Delhi from October 3-14,2010.

Taking a serious note of this development in which Britain, New Zealand [ Images ], Australia [ Images ], Canada [ Images ] and Scotland were involved, Dr Singh decided to take over the charge in his own hands to save the games and a big embrassment to India as a nation particularly when Indian economy is on upswing.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Sep 2010 11:44

It does not take more than a minute to tear apart a tissue of lies

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 282261.cms

Urban Development Minister S Jaipal Reddy on Monday said a total of Rs 28,054 crore have been spent on the games out of which Rs 16,560 crore was given to the Delhi Government for upgrading the capital infrastructure and building of various stadia.

Replying to BJP member Kirti Azad comparing him with Mahabharata epic character "Bhishm Pitamaha", Reddy said as of now he would like to be focused like Arjun.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Sep 2010 11:50

If you watched Mani S.Aiyar and others last night on a TV channel expose,and what happened when he was Sports Min., you will understand better the entire con. that the games have ended up as.

After visiting Manchester,etc.,the idea paramount in the organisers' minds was that the games in Delhi,as in the other cities visited,should be located in an underdeveloped area of the city to spur growth and the local economy there,just as was done in Manchester,where WalMart now has it largest operation in the UK there and Microsoft has a massive EU facility too.Similarly,neglected East London is the venue for the London Olympics.Secondly,there was "no overall head in charge under the govt.",as Rajiv Gandhi was during the Delhi Asiad,where everyone knew that the buck stopped with him and the PM Mrs. G.Buta Singh was in charge of Sports and the Asian Games,far larger than the CWG and more prestigious, were a great success.This current dispensation,first dispensed with Mani Aiyar and then literally "outsourced" the games to a bunch of rascals like Kalmadi and co.,who were given total unaccountability and an unlimited budget! As Mani said,the accomodation as planned in the official Delhi CWG bid had teams staying at Delhi Univ. hostels! What happened to that? We now have the flats for teams to be sold to the rich and mighty,which will end up in the hands of politicos,babudom and their pals first! The "legacy" aspect of the games also,part of the officlal bid has also been totally ignored,and the track record of the facilities of the Asian Games infrastructure,little used or allowed to be used after that event,shows that after these games,these new facilities built at 18 times the cost will go to rot and ruin.One must also recollect here the cost of a new stadium built at Calcutta and the whopping cost of "renovating" the main stadium! The massively inflated cost of items is too well known to be repeated.A great scam was planned using the opportunity of the CWG and it has happened as the crooks intended.

If these games were intended as is being touted by all concerned as representing "India" and "national pride",then there has been a catastrophic "dereliction of duty" by the top man in charge,Man Mohan Singh,who has presided over this farce and as someone put it,at "two seconds to midnight" has at last stirred his behind,that too only when foreign nations officially howled in protest and the CWG head flies in desperately seeking his help to save the games! Our beloved PM,obsessed with his "pamper-the-US-agenda",has failed miserably and utterly in giving the nation leadership on this most prestigious event.Not too long ago,I posted a report from the EU by an eminent Indian,culling together media reports from EU countries which asked whether Dr.Singh was in charge of the nation,as case after case of corruption,scandals (IPL,etc.),were tumbling out of the cupboard sullying India's image abroad.They came to the conclusion that either he was thoroughly incompetent as a PM,or that he knew all about the corruption around him and did nothing about it,allowing it to happen.

It is not that these problems were sprung upon us sudddenly,a year ago there was concern and when the facilities did not meet their completion deadline as planned,the PM should've waved the "red flag" and taken over control of the event.His indifference indicates to the entire nation that he is the least bothered about India's image and is concerned only with his selfish interests and what westerners-mainly Americans think and say about him.Our FM also insulted the nation when he said yesterday that "on behalf of the entire Indian people..." he assured the Commonwealth that the games would be a success! Where have the "entire Indian people" been involved at all in the games fiasco? He should've said "Govt. of India" instead.The Indian people have been taken for the con ride of their lives and the eventual financial cost will come out of the taxpayers pockets,not from those of Kalmadi and co.,stuffed with loot from their pickings,but the cost to the nation's reputation is immeasurable and will reverberate for decades to come!

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 23 Sep 2010 11:59

^ Good summing up Philip Ji.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Sep 2010 12:02

Manishw wrote:^ Good summing up Philip Ji.

+1

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 23 Sep 2010 12:04

^ great post

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Sep 2010 12:21

PS: I forgot to add how other nation's top politicos lead from the front.In Russia during the recent massive firestorms,PM Putin personally flew a water-bombing amphibian to show the nation that he was right there shoulder-to-shoulder with the fire-fighting teams trying to stop the fires.Medvedev has also made similar gestures.When the strategic sub-launched Bulava missile failed for the umpteenth time,the celebrated missile designer was sacked by Putin depsite his enormous track record of previous successes.The chief of the Russian navy was sacked after the Kursk sub disaster.British PMs and US presidents have flown to Iraq and Afghanistan to boost the morale of their troops on the ground on several occassions.Mandela spurred on the mainly white Springboks to victory in the rugby world cup,(see the superb film Invictus).When called upon in a national crisis,many world leaders rise to the occassion and as I said before,"lead from the front".Dr.Singh appears to be trying to emulate his counterpart in pakistan Pres.Zardari, who was visiting his French chateau when Pak was drowning with the floods! Similarly,when there is this huge flood threat to north India,over a hundred have died,and the waters even threaten the capital,where is Dr.Singh? Perhaps we should give him a new name ..."Mis-sing"!

amit · Post by **amit** » 23 Sep 2010 12:57

TonyMontana wrote:
vina wrote: NOT TRUE. THESE ARE DELHI GAMES. INDIA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS
The problem with this reasoning is that the western world will see it as India's games. And that's what's going to cause problems.

Well said Tony.

I think what needs to be realised here is that if the shit hits the ceiling, that ceiling belongs to all of us, that is it's the ceiling of our home. To the outside world it doesn't matter who actually crapped. To them all that matters is that Indians are so stupid that they have shit on their ceilings.

Somehow I get hidden sense of glee in some of the posts at the kind of bad press and comments being made by Western and Indian media. It's about all of us and not just a few Delhiwallas or Congresswallas or whatever wallas you want talk about. Already we're seeing articles linking this fiasco with India's economic progress/ability. If that happens it will hurt the whole of India not just Delhi. Nobody is going to say, hey the Delhiwallas are fools let's go to Bangalore or Gujarat or whatever, those guys are cool.

The time for point figures is gone folks. Now we have to pray that things go smoothly from here till the end of the damn Games.

Blame apportioning and speculating if the BJP would have done better or Gujarat would have been a better venue is for later, after the Games.

JMT

amit · Post by **amit** » 23 Sep 2010 13:00

Philip wrote:PS: I forgot to add how other nation's top politicos lead from the front.In Russia during the recent massive firestorms,PM Putin personally flew a water-bombing amphibian to show the nation that he was right there shoulder-to-shoulder with the fire-fighting teams trying to stop the fires.Medvedev has also made similar gestures.When the strategic sub-launched Bulava missile failed for the umpteenth time,the celebrated missile designer was sacked by Putin depsite his enormous track record of previous successes.The chief of the Russian navy was sacked after the Kursk sub disaster.British PMs and US presidents have flown to Iraq and Afghanistan to boost the morale of their troops on the ground on several occassions.Mandela spurred on the mainly white Springboks to victory in the rugby world cup,(see the superb film Invictus).When called upon in a national crisis,many world leaders rise to the occassion and as I said before,"lead from the front".Dr.Singh appears to be trying to emulate his counterpart in pakistan Pres.Zardari, who was visiting his French chateau when Pak was drowning with the floods! Similarly,when there is this huge flood threat to north India,over a hundred have died,and the waters even threaten the capital,where is Dr.Singh? Perhaps we should give him a new name ..."Mis-sing"!

Philip,

I think you deserve an honorary Russian citizenship. It's indeed cruel that you're stuck in such a SDRE country.

Oh by the way I hope you realise that if you had called Putin a Constable as often as you have the Prime Minister of India, well the TFTA Putin might just have done something about it!

So there's a downside to everything.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 Sep 2010 13:27

well said amit, this is a problem for all of India
bad governance is a problem for all of India
if one city/state is better than another, great - needs to be emulated everywhere

if i had a rupee for everytime i heard "Mumbai/Delhi is so much better than Kolkata/Chennai... by Indian standards" I'd be making Ambani clean my shoes now. The outside world couldn't care less if Mumbai is better than Vijaywada or wherever else, it still sees a stinking heap. we are not like this onlee, we deserve to live securely and cleanly like anyone else anywhere else

the possible benefit of CWG was that it would enable mango peepul to understand that just because the netas give them sh*t to eat doesn't mean that sh*t eating is necessary or mandatory

once again netas have let the country down

meanwhile, the semi-official view from the UK
Britain's teams should go to the CWG