Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Jul 2010 13:08

Nothing like a swift stroke to cut the proverbial "Gordian knot","Pamir knot","Karakorum knot" or "whatnot"! If one delays striking,the progression of jihadist scum to becoming the top brass of the Paki military elite,will result in a swift Islamist coup of the entire country in the not to distant future.Just see how many Paki military men these days sport beards and loook more like Talibanis,quite unlike clean-shaven losers like Gens. Niazi,Zia,etc.Such a coup will be welcomed on the Paki street because of the growing illiteracy of the Paki populace,educated more in madrasas rather than in the halls of elite schools.The Zardaris and Sharifs will be disgraced and divested of their vast ill-gotten gains and an Iranian style revolution is not an impossibility,except that the Islaimist military men will be calling the shots more than the mullahs.The "Sheikh" (OBL) has a huge following in Pak and the current dispensation's style of hunting with the hounds (US/NATO) and hiding with the hares(Taliban/AlQ) cannot last.The more it genuflects to the US the more hated the regime gets.Like the Soviet Union,the downfall of Jinnah's experiment might come as a sudden shock with all the nasty consequences of the jihadis getting hold of the radioactive toys before the US cavalry gets there.

It is up to the O-team to seize the moment.However,judging from his excessive verbiage on many issues,more style and speech than substance,Uncle O is out of his depth and we will see the unfolding of yet another US diplomatic and strategic disaster in the coming years.How we manage to stay out of the falling debris is the big Q.Our strategy should be to adopt that ancient Roman military maneouvre,the "tortoise".

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2010 13:22

Top Baloch Leader shot dead in Quetta

Senior Baloch nationalist leader and former parliamentarian Habib Jalib Baloch was on Wednesday assassinated by unidentified gunmen in Quetta city in south-western Pakistan, police said.

Three motorcycle—borne assailants shot Baloch outside his home on Sariab Road this morning

Witnesses said Baloch, a former member of the Senate or upper house of parliament and secretary general of the Balochistan National Party (Mengal group), was shot when he came out of the house.

Police said the assassination might be the latest in a series of targeted killings that has rocked Quetta, the capital of Balochistan province, over the past two years.

naren · Post by **naren** » 14 Jul 2010 13:42

Stan_Savljevic wrote:
naren wrote:Pakistan ranks second in searching for "bharat rakshak" in Googil.
Why is ashburn, va in the top-10 list?!

PS: seems like verizon may be routing all search queries to its HQ in ashburn. Otherwise I cant see a logical reason why it should be no. 9.

Googil mappuddin indicates that this place is only 26 miles from CIA headquarters in Langley

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 14 Jul 2010 15:47

^ Perhaps that's why US understanding and actions about paqueestan is not changing ,because BRF is read by same fools who save pakistan one way or other. if that stat was distributed in whole usa,the story would have been different.
Thats why one complains why amrikees know very little yet wrong things about India and pokistan

Plus there was unconditional and continous support for C17 and mrca-f18 deals from some members. One only wonders why?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 14 Jul 2010 16:06

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rajkhalsa wrote:No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches? Call it P0rnistan

Old news. I had posted this a long time ago in this forum onlee. I had demanded (or thought of it) that this be added to "Know Your Pakisatan" post of every Pak related thread. Considering the no. of Pakis with Internet access, it's indeed a great achievement for them.

BRF ahead of curve for once.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2010 17:28

S.M. Krishna in Pakistan

"I also look forward to receiving feedback on the issues raised by our Home Minister (P Chidambaram) during his visit to Pakistan last month on our core concern of terrorism, particularly in the light of the discussions our Home Minister had in Pakistan in the context of interrogation of David Headley regarding the Mumbai terrorist attack," he said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2010 17:38

As Indian FM arrives in Islamabad, Indian Home Secretary directly accuses ISI of participation in 26/11.

As Foreign Minister S M Krishna leaves for Pakistan to talk peace, the government has said it has fresh evidence — based on the interrogation of 26/11 accused David Headley — to show that Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist Hafiz Saeed played a “much more significant” role in planning and executing the terrorist attack on Mumbai than was earlier known.

In the first official statement on the interrogation of Headley — a US citizen of Pakistani origin who was arrested by US authorities in Chicago last year and questioned by a team from India in May — Home Secretary G K Pillai said it was now clear that both the ISI and Saeed were involved in the Mumbai attacks from the beginning till the end. Headley made several visits to India and is accused of scouting targets for the attacks.

“The real sense that has come out from Headley’s interrogation is that the ISI has had a much more significant role to play (in the Mumbai attacks, than was earlier thought). It was not just a peripheral role. They (ISI) were literally controlling and coordinating it (the attacks) from the beginning till the end,” Pillai said at Idea Exchange, an interaction with The Indian Express journalists here.

“The same goes for Hafiz Saeed. He was also not a peripheral player. He knew everything,” Pillai said.

For example, Pillai said, Headley had told interrogators that at one point his wife had approached Hafiz Saeed and complained that he (her husband) was not giving her any time and neglecting her. Hafiz Saeed apparently told this to Headley. Headley then told Saeed that he was taking a few days off to be with his wife but in that case the “Bombay project” would suffer. At this point, Hafiz is said to have instructed Headley to continue working on the “Bombay project” and that his wife could wait, said Pillai.

“This was revealed by Headley himself. So this is the kind of importance Saeed attached to the Bombay project. Saeed was not someone who didn’t know anything about it (the attacks),” Pillai said, adding that Headley had not just answered to the questions posed by the interrogators but also shared some gossip.

The Home Secretary said the government was hoping that during Krishna’s two-day visit to Pakistan, starting Wednesday, Islamabad would share information on some concrete steps it had taken against the planners and perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks.

He said it was now Pakistan’s responsibility to carry forward the investigation into the attacks. “We have given them a whole series of data, and information that we have. We have given them the names, we have given them the descriptions (of terrorists and their handlers), we have given them what their height is or their complexion is. Whatever descriptions we have been able to obtain from our investigations, we have shared them with Pakistan. Now it is up to them and all I can say is that their interior minister said (during Home Minister P Chidambaram’s visit to Pakistan last month) and I quote ‘You would not be disappointed in our response’. So we have to wait and see how much they can do.”

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Jul 2010 18:07

we have given them what their height is or their complexion is. Whatever descriptions we have been able to obtain from our investigations, we have shared them with Pakistan

These men should have been decaying in an unmarked grave by now. Instead we are making dossiers with their complexion and height. Pathetic.

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Jul 2010 18:15

The ‘jihad project’ gone wrong

Investigations by DawnNews programme, ‘Reporter,’ revealed that some of the disgruntled junior non-commissioned officers formed an organisation by the name of Jundullah which allegedly had contacts with Jaish-i-Muhammad.

According to the DawnNews investigation, impressed by calls to jihad, very soon about 30 personnel from various army units stationed in Quetta Cantonment joined the new organisation. Preparation for jihad was top priority while work on collecting donations from various units also started. Some of these disgruntled military men were also involved in planning botched attacks on Jacobabad Air Base in 2003, in addition to planning two separate assassination attempts on General Musharraf.

In addition to PAF, Jundullah also tried to establish its influence on different units in the military. After investigations into the attacks on General Musharraf in 2003, many personnel from the Army and Air Force linked to Jundullah were arrested and tried in military courts.

After the attack on Data Darbar, the government has once again re-banned such organisations

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Jul 2010 18:32

Who will cast the first stone?

But in most Muslim countries, intolerance is growing by the day. Yet Muslims living in the West demand ever-greater freedom to practise and spread their faith. Imagine the furore if a Muslim boy had been refused service in a shop in say, Birmingham, because of his religion. There would have been riots across the Islamic world had a Muslim family been slaughtered by a mob in a Western city. And yet when such atrocities happen (as they do, all too often) in our part of the world, they are met with official indifference and public silence.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Jul 2010 18:34

partha wrote:The ‘jihad project’ gone wrong

Interesting statistics

Pakistan’s military is at the front line in the war against terror. About 2500 soldiers and officers have laid down their lives and about 7000 have suffered injuries so far. The figure is fast approaching the number of casualties suffered by the military in the full-fledged war against India in 1965.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2010 18:40

SSridhar wrote:Indian Home Secretary directly accuses ISI of participation in 26/11.

Headley had told interrogators that at one point his wife had approached Hafiz Saeed and complained that he (her husband) was not giving her any time and neglecting her. Hafiz is said to have instructed Headley to continue working on the “Bombay project” and that his wife could wait.

BRFites: What do you make out of this "priority"?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Jul 2010 18:41

If we know so much,then we should've adopted Chairman Mao's philosophy,"a loud fart is better than a long speech".We should've exterminated the key perpetrators of 26/11 just as the Israeli's do with their ungodly enemies who wage terror against them.As th above post has rightly said,they should be decaying in their graves or reduced to ashes any which way.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2010 18:45

shiv wrote:Interesting statistics
Pakistan’s military is at the front line in the war against terror. About 2500 soldiers and officers have laid down their lives and about 7000 have suffered injuries so far. The figure is fast approaching the number of casualties suffered by the military in the full-fledged war against India in 1965.

3,800 Pakistani soldiers dead in 1965

Source: Wiki

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Jul 2010 18:50

headley looks somewhat like steven seagal doesnt he?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jul 2010 18:56

shiv wrote:Pakistan’s military is at the front line in the war against terror. About 2500 soldiers and officers have laid down their lives and about 7000 have suffered injuries so far. The figure is fast approaching the number of casualties suffered by the military in the full-fledged war against India in 1965.

Does this match what Kiyanahi and Mr.10% said during their annual begging ceremony?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2010 19:00

SSridhar wrote:Top Baloch Leader shot dead in Quetta

Is this the spark that lights the fuse that ignites the tinderbox that engulfs the nation of Balochistan that breaks up the land of the pure that leads to Iran/USIndia's intervention?

Baloch’s BNP party says it believes in a peaceful and democratic struggle for the people of Balochistan to attain the right of self—determination.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2010 19:04

More on that Baloch leader: Habib Jalib Baloch shot dead

According to a report in The Baloch Hal, the Baloch Muslha Defai Tanzeem, a hitherto unknown underground group, claimed responsibility for the killing.

The Baloch Hal = The Baloch Solution. I would watch this space.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2010 19:36

Balochistan Situation Similar To East Pakistan

“Even during the repressive regime of Pervez Musharraf, people were not killed on the roads. Now, the majority of the people killed on the roadsides are the activists of the BNP,” said Mengal.

The Baloch leader, who is currently on self-exile, said the situation prevailing in Balochistan was very similar to the one prevailing in East Paksitan (Bangladesh) in 1970s when government-baked groups were formed to kill the cream of the local society.

Those who came to power by using fake degrees cannot grant us justice

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 14 Jul 2010 19:43

Singha wrote:headley looks somewhat like steven seagal doesnt he?

Singha, i remember there was a brief documentary on sorts about this scum on Fox or MSNBC ( don't really remember ). The guy has natural eyes of different colors! Apparently,he is a charmer and a womanizer..i still think our agencies pulled out too soon and should have investigated the bollywood angle further.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2010 21:13

Bin Laden banned
Pakiland's favorite son. With this logic, the pakis should ban the Quran. Everytime someone burns or defaces the Quran in the land of the pure, there is a terrorist attack.

Censor board bans 'Tere bin Laden' in Pakistan

Pakistan has banned an Indian-made comedy film about Osama bin Laden for fear it could spark terrorist attacks, officials said Wednesday

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Jul 2010 21:20

RamaY wrote:
shiv wrote:Pakistan’s military is at the front line in the war against terror. About 2500 soldiers and officers have laid down their lives and about 7000 have suffered injuries so far. The figure is fast approaching the number of casualties suffered by the military in the full-fledged war against India in 1965.
Does this match what Kiyanahi and Mr.10% said during their annual begging ceremony?

Feb 2, 2010

General Kayani said more than 140,000 Pakistani troops were now involved in fighting militants in the northwest and deployment along the Afghan border.

He said over the last seven months Pakistani military had launched 209 major and 510 minor operations in 10 regions. He said 2,273 Pakistani army officers and soldiers had been killed in the fighting so far.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Jul 2010 21:32

Old dogs learning old paki tricks!!

Better late than never.

Just the right thrust before another pointless meeting.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -isi-qs-06

Indian Home Secretary accuses ISI in Mumbai attacks

Wednesday, 14 Jul, 2010

Pillai's comments come a day before the two countries' foreign ministers meet in Islamabad to try and repair relations worsened by the Mumbai attacks.

NEW DELHI: Pakistan's intelligence agency controlled and coordinated the 2008 Mumbai attacks, a top Indian security official said, in what is the most direct indictment yet of Pakistan by India in the strikes that killed 166 people.

“It was not just a peripheral role,” the Indian Express newspaper quoted G.K. Pillai, India's home secretary, as saying.

“They (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence) were literally controlling and coordinating it from the beginning till the end.”

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2010 22:08

The past as present

This is with reference to "The past as present" by Dr Maleeha Lodhi (July 13). The writer has ably put together all happenings of the recent past in the Indian-held Kashmir. With due respect I tend to disagree with her viewpoint and to me the ongoing negotiation and confidence building measures look like the key to reach some understanding with India. The problem before us is to determine if India will ever agree to surrender Kashmir to Pakistan or accept an independent Kashmir. Can Pakistan decide this issue by using military power? Is an independent Kashmir an acceptable and viable option from the regional and global perspectives?

We need to be realistic and understand that the Kashmir issue and its handling in the past have been disastrous and what we face today is the fallout of the wrong policy options we chose to exercise. Pakistan has relied more on military means through direct and indirect strategic approaches and both have miserably failed. India's survival as a secular and multicultural state is dependent upon the solution of the Kashmir issue as per her perception. In the near future there is no possibility of Kashmir becoming a part of Pakistan or an independent state. The world has changed and now religious sentiments have no place in the statecraft and it will not be viable to demand a territory on these basis. We need to sit with India and in all seriousness resolve this issue amicably. The best option is a little reorientation in our boundaries as was perceivable in Musharraf's Kashmir policy. However, if the people of the Indian-held Kashmir have some political reservations, let's consider this an internal issue which should be solved amongst the affected parties. Pakistan has absolutely no right to interfere in the internal matters of India either through military or any other means.

Brig (r) Asif Alvi

Karachi

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Jul 2010 22:53

jamwal wrote:[url
rajkhalsa wrote:No. 1 Nation in Sexy Web Searches? Call it P0rnistan

Old news. I had posted this a long time ago in this forum onlee. I had demanded (or thought of it) that this be added to "Know Your Pakisatan" post of every Pak related thread. Considering the no. of Pakis with Internet access, it's indeed a great achievement for them.

BRF ahead of curve for once.

There have been studies linking sexual frustration to extremism.
Extremism: the loser's revenge

Sexual deprivation may be a factor in the current wave of suicidal violence, unleashed by the Palestinian cause as well as revolutionary Islamism. The tantalising prospect of having one's pick of the loveliest virgins in paradise is deliberately dangled in front of young men trained for violent death. And even those who are not trained to kill and die often live in authoritarian societies in which sex before marriage is strictly forbidden, in which women outside the family home are not only supposed to be untouchable, but invisible. Access to MTV, the internet, DVDs and global advertising reinforces the notion that westerners live in a degenerate garden of sinful delights. This makes the lot of millions of young Arab men even harder to bear, and can provoke a mixture of rage and envy.

Once in a while, this rage will explode in carefully orchestrated orgies of violence. It is said that Mohammed Atta visited a striptease bar before crashing a plane into the Twin Towers. Perhaps he craved one nibble at the forbidden fruit before his earthly extinction. The fact that it was forbidden - repulsive but also terribly seductive - marked his view of women in general. He made it clear in his will that he did not want any women to defile his grave with their presence.

(sexual frustration + promise of 72 houris) explains current situation in Pakistan.

archan · Post by **archan** » 14 Jul 2010 23:09

^^ what about the 28?

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Jul 2010 23:23

archan wrote:^^ what about the 28?

That too

All part of brainwashing by mullahs!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jul 2010 23:30

Thanks A_Guptaji for confirmation.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 14 Jul 2010 23:40

LINK
Arab TV airs video of Times Square bombing suspect

CAIRO: The Al-Arabiya TV station says it has video of the failed Times Square car bomb suspect meeting with Pakistani Taliban leaders along the Afghan border.

Al-Arabiya broadcast excerpts showing Faisal Shahzad saying he planned a ``revenge attack'' against the U.S. ..................

Shahzad appears in the clips sitting on the ground in a black turban and military fatigues, with a gun next to him. He reads from the Quran.

The station also says Shahzad appears in part of the 40-minute video that it did not broadcast with a prominent Pakistan Taliban leader in the tribal regions along the Afghan border.

..............

They should show this in land of pure so that their misconceptions that the arrest of faizal shezad is a drama would be broken.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 14 Jul 2010 23:57

rajsunder wrote:They should show this in land of pure so that their misconceptions that the arrest of faizal shezad is a drama would be broken.

No use sir they will concoct another excuse to put the blame back on CIA Raa and Mossad. Again harp that only true friend is Cheena and they need to become true muslims to fight this propoganda. These pakis are unique species. Did a live talking Kasab change their perceptions of Mumbai attacks? No they still beleive that its a conspiracy to blame their beloved ISI

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Jul 2010 01:01

http://criticalppp.com/archives/18992
motorized vehicle sales - final

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Jul 2010 02:20

Brad Goodman wrote:No use sir they will concoct another excuse to put the blame back on CIA Raa and Mossad. Again harp that only true friend is Cheena and they need to become true muslims to fight this propoganda.

Add "Dismiss Zardari - Bring in the army" to that list.
Though with zardar's latest visit to cheena land, and the suspected NoKo bum test occuring together, finally it seems that the zardar is doing something for Pakistan and the faujis.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 15 Jul 2010 03:04

Islam: Unmentionable in D.C.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/foreign-policy/ ... able-in-dc

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Jul 2010 03:55

From the tnr.com article posted above...writer talks about piss-hour

lots of Internet shops where locals emailed their relatives abroad and scanned ***** sites; and video-and-DVD stores where you could easily get contraband copies of newly-released Hollywood blockbusters or, with a bit more effort, skin flicks.

look like it is time Pakistan renames itself to P0rnistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2010 07:52

anupmisra wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Top Baloch Leader shot dead in Quetta
Is this the spark that lights the fuse that ignites the tinderbox that engulfs the nation of Balochistan that breaks up the land of the pure that leads to Iran/USIndia's intervention?

IMHO, no, it won't. Akbar Bugti was a much larger figure and yet the State managed to contain the fallout. After his assassination, the Baloch Movement is somewhat disoriented.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 15 Jul 2010 08:14

Worth reading pak lurks
Pakistan -Us and Then
http://soodvikram.blogspot.com/

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 15 Jul 2010 08:52

Faisal Shahzad's martyrdom video:

Heh, and to think the American Left were pretending it was tea-partiers who were behind the bombing attempt.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jul 2010 09:00

Special Briefing On Upcoming Kabul Conference

http://www.state.gov/s/special_rep_afgh ... 144537.htm

AMBASSADOR HOLBROOKE: Yes. Where’s – do you have any water, I’m sorry. I’ve got a little – it’s good to be back with all of you. And I am really between trips. I leave again tomorrow for Germany, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, and London on the way back. And it’s – I’m just back from another trip. And we’ve – I think I want to start by talking a little bit about Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2010 09:23

For the attention of ajit_tr

You have a PM from me. Please respond.

naren · Post by **naren** » 15 Jul 2010 09:48

SSridhar wrote:As Indian FM arrives in Islamabad, Indian Home Secretary directly accuses ISI of participation in 26/11.
He said it was now Pakistan’s responsibility to carry forward the investigation into the attacks. “We have given them a whole series of data, and information that we have. We have given them the names, we have given them the descriptions (of terrorists and their handlers), we have given them what their height is or their complexion is. Whatever descriptions we have been able to obtain from our investigations, we have shared them with Pakistan. Now it is up to them and all I can say is that their interior minister said (during Home Minister P Chidambaram’s visit to Pakistan last month) and I quote ‘You would not be disappointed in our response’. So we have to wait and see how much they can do.”

"Pakistan’s responsibility to carry forward the investigation into the attacks". Why the eff is it Pakistan's responsibility ? Did we elect Pakistani leaders ? If they are going to renege on their "responsibilities", what are you going to do about it ?

Often times, GOI's dealing feels like saying "you raped my daughter, please acknowledge it" to the rapist.