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Nuclear Fuel Memos Expose Wary Dance With Pakistan
A Deep Skepticism

Over all, though, the cables portray deep skepticism that Pakistan will ever cooperate fully in fighting the full panoply of extremist groups. This is partly because Pakistan sees some of the strongest militant groups as insurance for the inevitable day that the United States military withdraws from Afghanistan — and Pakistan wants to exert maximum influence inside Afghanistan and against Indian intervention.

Indeed, the consul general in Peshawar wrote in 2008 that she believed that some members of the Haqqani network — one of the most lethal groups attacking American and Afghan soldiers — had left North Waziristan to escape drone strikes. Some family members, she wrote, relocated south of Peshawar; others lived in Rawalpindi, where senior Pakistani military officials also live.
In one cable, Ms. Patterson, a veteran diplomat who left Islamabad in October after a three-year stint as ambassador, said more money and military assistance would not be persuasive. “There is no chance that Pakistan will view enhanced assistance levels in any field as sufficient compensation for abandoning support for these groups, which it sees as an important part of its national security apparatus against India.”
The highly enriched uranium that Ms. Patterson wanted removed from the research reactor came from the United States in the mid-1960s. In those days, under the Atoms for Peace program, little thought was given to proliferation, and Pakistan seemed too poor and backward to join the nuclear race.
The reactor had been converted to use low-enriched uranium, well below bomb grade, in 1990, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency, or I.A.E.A. But the bomb-grade uranium had never been returned to the United States and remains in storage nearby. Ms. Patterson’s cable noted that Pakistan had “agreed in principle to the fuel removal in 2007.”

But time and again the Pakistanis balked, and she reported that an interagency group within the Pakistani government had decided to cancel a visit by American technical experts to get the fuel out of the country.
On Monday, Pakistan’s Foreign Affairs Ministry issued a statement confirming that “the US suggestion to have the fuel transferred was plainly refused by Pakistan.” It said that the United States had provided the fuel but did not mention that, under the terms of such transfers, the United States retained the right to have the spent fuel returned.
In fact, Ms. Patterson, in a Feb. 4, 2009, cable, wrote that “our major concern is not having an Islamic militant steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in GOP [government of Pakistan] facilities could gradually smuggle enough material out to eventually make a weapon.”
One secret cable offers another glimpse into another element of the nuclear gamesmanship between the United States and its Pakistani allies: Even while American officials were trying to persuade Pakistani officials to give up nuclear material, they were quietly seeking to block Pakistan from trying to buy material that would help it produce tritium, the crucial ingredient needed to increase the power of nuclear weapons.

After providing specific details of the proposed sale, a Dec. 12, 2008, secret cable to the American Embassy in Singapore, seeking help to stop a transaction that was about to take place, concluded, “We would have great concern over Pakistan’s potential use of tritium to advance its nuclear weapons program.”
Mr. Zardari, who spent 11 years in prison on ultimately unproved corruption charges, feared for his position and possibly — the wording is ambiguous — his life: the cables reveal that Vice President Biden told Prime Minister Gordon Brown of Britain in March 2009 that Mr. Zardari had told him that the “ISI director and Kayani will take me out.”

His suspicions were not groundless. In March 2009, a period of political turmoil, General Kayani told the ambassador that he “might, however reluctantly,” pressure Mr. Zardari to resign and, the cable added, presumably leave Pakistan. He mentioned the leader of a third political party, Asfandyar Wali Khan, as a possible replacement.

“Kayani made it clear regardless how much he disliked Zardari he distrusted Nawaz even more,” the ambassador wrote, a reference to Nawaz Sharif, a former prime minister.
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Are we to infer that Americans are idiots and TS Pakistanis of superior intellect :-?
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Pak refused Indian briefing on its Afghan role: WikiLeaks
Washington, Dec 1 (PTI) Pakistan, which has at every possible international forum raised its concerns over India''s role in Afghanistan, had repeatedly rebuffed the offer of a briefing by New Delhi about its activities in Afghanistan, says a US cable released by WikiLeaks.

India''s unilateral offer was again relayed by the then Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menon in his meeting with the Special US Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke on February 16, 2009 in New Delhi, wherein the latter praised India''s developmental role in Afghanistan.
"Menon said that he, as (the Indian) High Commissioner (to Pakistan), had offered to (the Pakistani) President (Pervez) Musharraf to sit down and explain exactly what India was doing in Afghanistan, without even asking for a reciprocal explanation from Pakistan, but that Pakistan officials -- not just Musharraf -- have avoided it in every way," the cable said.
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Rangudu wrote:CRS,

Like a State Dept spokesperson asked about LeT, you skipped my first poser :)
R-man, not at all, but your first poser on Burma, while sure posing a moral dilemma to India is more in the realm of real-politick. But thats quite different from a super power that is supposedly fighting terrorists is more worried and taking steps from India retaliating to a terrorist attack than it is in taking on the terrorists themselves. I hope you get the drift.
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State Department cables: PAKISTAN: MUMBAI SITUATION UPDATE
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de ... or-attacks
Monday, 01 December 2008, 11:04
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 ISLAMABAD 003733
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DEPT FOR MGN01 MUMBAI TASK FORCE
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Brinkley and Miliband pressed for Pasha to go to India. Zardari gave Brinkley a long answer about various levels of directors in ISI but finally confirmed that the Army had vetoed the decision to send Pasha. Zardari told Miliband that it might be possible to send NSA Durrani, as he outranked Pasha. It would not be possible, said Zardari, to send Pasha immediately as Zardari needed to work public opinion first.

13. (C) Zardari commented that he had a gut reaction that the attacks were the beginning rather than the end and went on to talk about Muslim-Hindu differences and attempts to split India. He urged the UK to push back on New Delhi and calm the situation. Miliband said they would do so, but India needs to see real action from Pakistan. India was asking for short-term actions, and this could buy some time for the GOP.


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State Department cables: MUMBAI ATTACKS UPDATE: DIPLOMATS IN DELHI DELIVER
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de ... acks-india
1. (C) Summary: Diplomatic missions in Delhi have agreed to offer a more sympathetic message to the Indians rather than pound on the government for its massive intelligence failure. Evidence that Pakistani-based extremist group Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT) was the culprit is still not out in the open, although the question being asked now is whether Pakistan's Intelligence Agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was directly involved in the attack. Dipomatic missions in Delhi are praising Delhi for its restraint while advising Pakistan that now is the time to collaborate. End Summary.
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US embassy cables: Musharraf says Pakistan is committed to fight against Al-Qaida and the Taliban
@Kabul and New Delhi's involvement to destabilize Balochistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de ... n-al-qaida
8. (C) Musharraf asked the U.S. to intervene on one issue of real concern--the "deliberate" attempt of Kabul and New Delhi to destabilize Balochistan. He insisted that Pakistan had ample proof that India and Afghanistan were involved in efforts to provide weapons, training and funding for Baloch extremists through Brahamdagh Bugti and Baloch Marri, two Baloch nationalists, who were living in Kabul. "We have letters instructing who to give what weapons to whom."

Musharraf said he had raised this with Karzai, who replied "give me time and I will address it." Musharraf said he was still waiting. Assistant Secretary Boucher noted that he had recently raised the issue with Rassoul. Musharraf added "If India wants to continue, let's see what our options will be."

Negroponte asked if, after the elections, there was a possibility to move forward on negotiations with India. Musharraf said yes, especially on Kashmir, where the population was getting restless.
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US embassy cables: Pakistani army chief hints at unseating Zardari
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... nts/196412
3. (C) During Ambassador's fourth meeting in a week with Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Kayani on March 10, he again hinted that he might, however reluctantly, have to persuade President Zardari to resign if the situation sharply deteriorates. He mentioned Asfundyar Wali Khan as a possible replacement. This would not be a formal coup but would leave in place the PPP government led by PM Gilani, thus avoiding elections that likely would bring Nawaz Sharif to power. We do not believe Army action is imminent. We do believe Kayani was laying down a clear marker so that, if he has to act, he can say he warned the U.S. in advance and gave us ample opportunities to pressure both sides to back down. Kayani is trying to leverage what he considers predominate U.S. influence over Zardari, instead of seeking a direct confrontation that could provoke an unhelpful civil-military clash.
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State Department cables: AMBASSADOR MEETS WITH KAYANI AND PASHA ABOUT
Probable Terrorist Attack in India -September-November 2009
Kayani for & Zardari against back-channel meets with India

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... ignpolicy3
Wednesday, 07 October 2009, 13:31
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11. (S) DGISI Pasha asked Ambassador to convey to Washington that he had followed up on threat information that an attack would be launched against India between September-November. He had been in direct touch with the Israelis on possible threats against Israeli targets in India. He had also gone to Muscat and Tehran to engage those intelligence services on threats, and they were alerted and working with Pakistan. He reminded Ambassador that information about an attack on India had come his way and he had asked CIA to convey it to the Indians through CIA channels. (Further details about these cases available in other channels.) He said he would meet his Indian counterpart any time, noting that it was critically important that any threat information be shared with him. He emphasized that ISI was doing everything possible to reduce the possibility of an attack on India.

12. (S) Ambassador asked about the likelihood for restarting the back-channel with India, noting that we had received a good readout from former Foreign Minister Kasuri, who was enthusiastic about the appointment of former Foreign Secretary Riaz Khan as the back-channel negotiator. Kayani said that Ambassador should talk to Zardari about restarting the back-channel where it "left off:" he was not sure that Zardari was quite willing to wade into these political waters yet. Kayani and Pasha both said that they wanted this channel to succeed, and Kayani expressed his confidence in Riaz Khan's integrity and intelligence.
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Some one leaked BRF threads on WikiLeaks....

:-o :eek: :shock:
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wow how many years did it take dawood to be on in terpols list

assange has made it for a alleged sex assult charge

woww
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Interpol for sex assault charges?
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US embassy cables: ZARDARI COMMENTS ON INDIA/NAWAZ SHARIF
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... stan-india

2. (S) Ambassador called on President Zardari January 2 to discuss follow-up to the Mumbai investigation. Zardari said he had been briefed by Lt. General Pasha on his meeting with DCIA, and he had approved the release of "tearline" information to the Indians. He wanted to emphasize he (and General Kayani) were fully committed to better relations with India. He reminded the Ambassador that it had only taken a "phone call" from the U.S. to ensure that Pakistan did not oppose the U.S./India civil nuclear deal at the Nuclear Suppliers Group. Zardari emphasized he had no problem making decisions, recalling that we had asked him to refuse the release of detainees in the context of "peace deals" when the Army and ISI were pressing to do so. But he said there was no way that he could let India attack Pakistan: many in the West did not understand the importance of Kashmir in Pakistani public opinion.
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4. (S) Zardari said that he was increasingly losing patience with Nawaz Sharif's government in the Punjab, and he believed that a confrontation was looming. He said that Pakistani Muslim League-Nawaz Chief Minister Shabbaz Sharif had tipped off the JUD about the UNSCR 1267 mandated asset freeze, resulting in almost empty bank accounts..
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6. (S) Zardari confirmed again at the end of the conversation that Pakistan would not allow non-state actors to dictate state policy, but that the GOP would respond if the Indians attacked. He recommended a report done in India which indicated that Indian Muslims are treated poorly and are among the least prosperous members of society. He said that the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was trying to whip up anti-Muslim sentiment. Morever, there were plenty of extremist groups in India that could have assisted Lashkar-e-Taiba.

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krishnan wrote:Interpol for sex assault charges?
Yes!

Interpol placed Julian Assange on its most-wanted list after Sweden issued an arrest warrant against him as part of a drawn-out rape probe — involving allegations Assange has denied. The Interpol alert is likely to make international travel more difficult for Assange, whose whereabouts are publicly unknown.

Same shik happened to others....xxxxxx
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US embassy cables: Punjab, ISI and a distracted president trouble Pakistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... nts/190330
SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR SPECIAL ENVOY HOLBROOKE
Wednesday, 04 February 2009, 10:40
SUBJECT: SCENESETTER FOR SPECIAL ENVOY HOLBROOKE
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Not A Failed State
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8. (C) This is not a failed state. Pakistan has solid albeit weak institutions, a robust if often irresponsible media, established although under-equipped police forces, an increasingly strong civil society, and a population with a proven resiliency to withstand everything from earthquakes to kleptocracy. However, Zardari is more adept at political maneuvering than governing; we believe he is spending too much time on his rivalry with Nawaz and too little time on rolling back a spreading insurgency and improving a weak economy.

9. (C) Although we do not believe Pakistan is a failed state, we nonetheless recognize that the challenges it confronts are dire. The government is losing more and more territory every day to foreign and domestic militant groups; deteriorating law and order in turn is undermining economic recovery. The bureaucracy is settling into third-world mediocrity, as demonstrated by some corruption and a limited capacity to implement or articulate policy.
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India
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20. (C) Indo-Pak tensions are still simmering, but to avoid a potential Indian military strike, the GOP needs to show progress on prosecuting those responsible for the Mumbai attacks. Interior Minister Malik will outline to you his plan to prosecute Lashkar-e-Taiba/Jamaat-ud-Dawa (LeT/JUD) suspects now in custody. The key will be whether the military/ISI is ready to turn the Mumbai suspects over to civilian law enforcement, and whether India considers Pakistani actions adequate. Kayani, in particular, wants to avoid a reckoning with his past leadership of ISI. Despite arrests of key LeT/JUD leaders and closure of some of their camps, it is unclear if ISI has finally abandoned its policy of using these proxy forces as a foreign policy tool; we need to continue pressing them to realize this strategy has become counter-productive in Kashmir, Afghanistan and FATA.

21. (C) The Foreign Ministry quashed National Assembly debate of a resolution signed by leaders of most of the political parties urging the U.S. to appoint a special envoy on Kashmir, or add that portfolio to your plate. However, privately, Zardari and FM Qureshi have indicated they would welcome your engagement on Kashmir. Although the conventional wisdom says that Mumbai closed the door on Kashmir discussions; from Pakistan's perspective, there is no doubt that tackling the Kashmir issue remains the key to regional security.

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Nukes
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22. (S) Strategic Plans Division Director LtGen (ret) Kidwai can brief you in detail on Pakistan's physical, personnel and command and control safeguards for Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Our major concern is not having an Islamic militant steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in GOP facilities could gradually smuggle enough material out to eventually make a weapon. Islamabad has chafed over the U.S.-India 123 Agreement, arguing it also needs civilian nuclear power to meet energy demand; we have repeatedly advised the GOP that it should not expect a similar agreement because of AQ Khan's proliferation activities.

23. (C) Khan, who now is suffering from cancer, remains a national hero, albeit one who is closely monitored under house arrest.


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Palin's call for Assange to be hunted down like Osama Bin Laden is both amazing and hilarious in the extreme! It is however an acknowledgement from the US right that the Wikileaks are as devastating for the US as 9/11,perhaps even more so as the trust element in engaging with the US diplomatically has been shattered beyond repair.Assange should be awarded in future the Nobel Peace Prize for his most courageous expose of diplomatic skullduggery by the world's so-called most powerful democracy.The attempts to still the voice of Wikileaks must be resisted to the hilt by humanity in its own interests.To a far lesser extent,but equally significant domestically, our own exposes of tel. conversations between our own fixers,corporate czars,politicos and babus,show a scant disregard for the interests of ordinary citizens in the pursuit of pelf by those amoral individuals who weild power,influence and money.

The leaks have exposed so much of duplicity and chicanery in US diplomacy that endorses many of the viewpoints and scepticism shown on BR.It also has some very hard truths for the GOI and future regimes,in that India stands alone and HAS to stand alone,depending upon no nation for its security guarantees,least of all the US whose lust for Pak forces it to whitewash the most heinous crimes of that evil entity.We therefore have to rule out any guarantee of our sovereignity and security from the US remembering the old adage,"with friends like it who needs enemies?" How is it ever possible to be America's "strategic partner",when it continues to arm Pak to our detriment and conceal and cover-up its diabolic deeds and future intentions?

From the leaks it emerges that Pak is the world's most productive state in the manufacture of N-weapons,which it is doing in cahoots with China,gravely endangering India.The security of these large amounts of N-material which could easily be passed on by a fundamentalist Paki military/ISI to their terror cohorts,endangers India as well as global communities.Gen,Kill-any "the Vulture',is a man who just cannot be trusted and all his assurances to the US amount to nothing.The Paki military is just biding its time until the US disengage/retreat from Afghanistan.It will then show its true claws and behave in manner similar to that now being displayed by NoKo.Pak,armed with even more N-weapons will be in a far more agressive mood to further blackmail the US/West once Afghanistan is in its pocket through proxy Taliban,making impossible demands upon India (Kashmir) and the world using its global terror networks now armed with N-material.

Consequently,unless India possesses several hundred N-weapons (400-500) to deal with both Pak and China,and a fully capable triad of dedicated bombers (SU-34s/TU-22s),assortment of land based and moblile missiles (Agni and K-series),plus at least 5 SSBNs accompanied by the same number of SSGNs,which could also launch long range N-tipped cruise missiles,thereby doubling the capability of our nuclear sub fleet in strategic terms,we will be running a real risk of a sneak attack from the Pak especially if it starts to further disintegrate and the military in Pak use a sneak attack to rally the nation round,using the old card of warring with India as the most popular Paki policy.The GOI has to engage itself immediately in launching urgent steps to meet this heightened challenge which could spring upon us without warning.

PS:Some excerpts from the media:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... lear-fears
The Russians shared concerns Pakistan was "highly unstable". Yuri Korolev, from the Russian foreign ministry, told US officials: "Islamists are not only seeking power in Pakistan but are also trying to get their hands on nuclear materials."

Speaking in February in Washington, he called for the problem of Pakistani nuclear sites to be addressed in ongoing missile control talks, claiming: "Over the last few years extremists have attacked vehicles that carry staff to and from these facilities. Some were killed and a number were abducted and there has been no trace seen of them."

Korolev said: "There are 120,000-130,000 people directly involved in Pakistan's nuclear and missile programmes … There is no way to guarantee that all are 100% loyal and reliable."

He claimed extremists were now recruiting more easily: "Pakistan has had to hire people to protect nuclear facilities that have especially strict religious beliefs, and recently the general educational and cultural levels in Pakistan has been falling."

These fears are expressed in the secret state department files against a backdrop of Pakistani determination to build more nuclear warheads.
A Chinese foreign minister, He Yafei, sought to explain to the Americans why Pakistan was blocking fissile material control talks. At a London meeting in 2009, he said: "The underlying problem … is that India and Pakistan view each other as enemies. Nuclear weapons are crucial to Pakistan. Indeed, a Pakistani military leader said his army was no match for the Indian army."

US diplomats in Islamabad were told Pakistan was working on producing smaller, tactical nuclear weapons that could be used on the battlefield against Indian troops. "The result of this trend is the need for greater stocks of fissile material … Strategic considerations point Pakistan in the direction of a larger nuclear force that requires a greater amount of fissile material, Pakistani officials argue."
But the US ambassador to India, Tim Roemer, warned in February that for India to launch Cold Start, would be to "roll the nuclear dice". It could trigger the world's first use of nuclear weapons since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

"Indian leaders no doubt realise that, although Cold Start is designed to punish Pakistan in a limited manner without triggering a nuclear response, they cannot be sure whether Pakistani leaders will in fact refrain from such a response."
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US embassy cables: Sarkozy chases pet rabbit around his office
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... ents/77354
An Unforgettable Scene

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6. (C) As the Ambassador was about to leave, Sarkozy went to the line of floor-to-ceiling windows that open from the interior minister's office to the gardens of the interior ministry, and called over his nine-year old son, Louis, who was playing on the lawn (Sarkozy lives with his family in apartments above his office). Sarkozy was clearly happy -- and proud -- to be in the company of his young son and seemed tickled to be able to introduce him to "the Ambassador of the United States." Louis appeared at the threshold with a small dog at his feet and a large rabbit in his arms. To shake hands with the Ambassador, Louis put down the rabbit -- and the dog started chasing the rabbit through Sarkozy's office, which led to the unforgettable sight of Sarkozy, bent over, chasing the dog through the ante-room to his office as the dog chased the rabbit, and Louis filled the room with gleeful laughter.
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ShivaS wrote:Are we to infer that Americans are idiots and TS Pakistanis of superior intellect :-?
Spinro Sir/ Madam, :P

I wish you a week in hell for questioning the intellect of the 400 % TFTA Bakistanies. :twisted:

May you burn in hell. :lol:

On a serious note. never thought I say this. But, the documents remind me of the actions of the protagonists of Ekta Kapoor's serials. :eek:
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i remain astonished that not one iota of informationr released so far has come as any surprise what so ever. definitely all matters relating to paquistan, afghanistan and india have definitely been debated on BRF
honestly admins, time for you to come clean - you are spoofing the whole wikileaks, aren't you?
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guys lets not bring polanski into the mix

polanski was convicted and his only excuse is that the victim herself does not care to hunt him down
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the fulcrum of takleef seems to have shifted from Paquistan to Taller and Deeper Friend
apparently the service denial attack on the wikileaks servers came from China
China has also blocked access to the wikileaks source materials
issued statements about 'not rocking the boat'
its almost as if the leaks are about to expose either collusion between the G2 or the role being played by the Dragon in a number of international hot spots...
which lends credence to the official leak theory - naming and shaming the dragon without someone standing up and saying it
maybe its all just about the economic war between the G2+5+5+n...
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Lalmohan wrote:which lends credence to the official leak theory - naming and shaming the dragon without someone standing up and saying it
maybe its all just about the economic war between the G2+5+5+n...
To be frank I also think that events are more and more pointing to the official leaks theory. It seems incredible that Julian Assange can do an interview with Time over Skype and yet nobody knows where he is despite the Interpol Red Corner notice.

Also note that the Swedish Govt is supposed to be looking for Assange for rape charges. Yet the Wikileaks servers have been moved to a (former) Swedish nuclear bunker according to this report! :eek:

The bunker is supposed to be run by Swedish broadband provider Bahnhof.

And we're supposed to believe that the Swedes know nothing about that? Or does Wikileaks servers operate on artificial intelligence?
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http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/20 ... AD428.html
¶2. (C) Senator John Kerry opened the February 16 meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari by referring to his recent talks with Indian PM Manmohan Singh and Pakistani PM Yousuf Raza Gilani (reftel). Kerry said Singh was "very open" to negotiation with Pakistan, starting with the upcoming discussions between Pakistan and India's Foreign Secretaries. Kerry said that cooperation on counter terrorism with the Indians could lead to Indian compromises on key Pakistani issues such as Kashmir and water use in subsequent meetings. Kerry encouraged the GOP to come up with specific offers to which the GOI could respond.

¶3. (C) Zardari agreed dialogue is the only way forward. However, he justified continued suspicion of India, citing recent "confirmation" that there was Indian involvement in the Mumbai attacks. He claimed India had increased its military spending 30 percent this year and described this as a direct threat to Pakistan. When Kerry pointed out the Chinese threat to India, Zardari responded that Indian tanks cannot operate in the Chinese border region and could only be intended for an attack on Pakistan. India has 4,700 tanks, he explained, while Pakistan has only 2,600. "Capability creates a fear," he added.

¶4. (C) Kerry said Zardari should put his concerns on the negotiating table as there was a real opportunity for productive conversation between India and Pakistan now: "You could arrive at a surprising consensus of mutual understanding." Zardari conceded that Singh deserved respect, but said he was not confident about the rest of the Indian government.
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¶9. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX confided that ISI, (Note: Pakistan’s military intelligence. End note), during the in camera session of the parliament recently, had briefed lawmakers and senior GOP officials concerning the virtues of some taliban elements versus the “real militants.” They reasoned small numbers from some of the militant groups could be useful in future operations in Kashmir or elsewhere. XXXXXXXXXXXX said although not everyone present agreed with the assertion it was this line of reasoning that contributed to his fear of the future.
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FATA: PLAYERS IN WAZIRISTAN - A PRE-OPERATION PRIMER from WikiLeaks
REF: A) PESHAWAR 144; B) ISLAMABAD 1464; C) ISLAMABAD 1385; D) ISLAMABAD 1358;
E) IIR 6 802 0086 08

CLASSIFIED BY: Lynne Tracy, Principal Officer, U.S. Consulate
Peshawar, Department of State.
REASON: 1.4 (d)
¶1. (C) Summary: As the government of Pakistan has worked to
prepare for its upcoming ground operation in South Waziristan
Agency (SWA) against Baitullah Mehsud (ref C) and the
Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), it has narrowed the focus of
its operation by attempting to keep neutral the two other major
militant leaders in the area and building two other more minor
leaders up against Baitullah. The government has worked through
jirgas led by Deobandi clerics associated with the Jamiat
Ulema-i-Islam (JUI-F) to isolate Baitullah and his lieutenants;
as the operation has become more imminent (and to JUI-F leader
Fazlur Rehman's chagrin), these jirgas have been sidelined.
Tribal maliks, though included in those jirgas, are too cowed to
play anything other than supporting roles, and the SWA Political
Agent, while talented, is rarely able to even enter SWA due to
security concerns. Political actors will continue to work
around the edges, but they are ceding the field to the military
and militants for the foreseeable future. End summary.

Baitullah Mehsud and His Lieutenants
------------------------------------

¶2. (C) 35-year-old Baitullah Mehsud has been the most
prominent militant in Waziristan since the death of Wazir leader
Nek Mohammad in 2004 and the most notorious militant in Pakistan
since his announcement of the formation of the TTP and
assassination of Benazir Bhutto in December 2007. He has
undisputed control over the Mehsud home areas of northeastern
SWA and significant influence in areas with Mehsud diaspora
populations such as Tank and Dera Ismail Khan districts. Since
the formation of TTP, an umbrella group whose expressed aim is
to overthrow the government of Pakistan and secure its FATA
safehaven in order to support cross-border attacks into
Afghanistan, Mehsud and his allies had established significant
levels of effective control in part or all of Kurram, Orakzai,
Khyber, Mohmand, and Bajaur agencies, as well as in Swat,
Shangla, Buner, and Lower Dir districts prior to recent military
operations. In all of these areas, Consulate contacts and
Pakistani press have reported a strong presence of Mehsud
tribesmen and allied Uzbek militants supporting local elements
fighting against the government.

¶3. (C) Qari Hussain has long been Baitullah's most feared
lieutenant from Waziristan; a post contact in the NWFP
parliamentary assembly included him as one of six militants
whose death would prove that the Pakistani government was
"serious" about finally getting tough on militants. He was
notable over the period 2006-8 for claiming the most extreme and
offensive actions taken by the TTP, particularly in the wake of
the government's July 2007 operation against the Lal Masjid in
Islamabad. These actions included suicide bombings throughout
the NWFP, the kidnapping of FC personnel, and an attack on the
Tank family residence of the Political Agent for Khyber Agency
which killed many of his relatives and guests, among them
surrendering women and girls, violating one of the strongest
taboos under Pashtun tribal law. Baitullah disavowed most of
these activities, though they generally directly benefited him.
In late 2008, after the conclusion of the most recent peace deal
in SWA, Baitullah "exiled" him to North Waziristan because of
his poor image; he recalled him to SWA recently. Hussain may
have been killed in an air strike on a post-funeral meeting on
June 23 in South Waziristan.

¶4. (SBU) Hakimullah Mehsud, a first cousin to Baitullah, has
come to prominence more recently, initially commanding TTP
forces assisting Sunni militants who were fighting Shi'a
militants in Kurram agency and neighboring Hangu district. His
activities quickly spread to Orakzai, where he masterminded an
October 2008 suicide bombing of a jirga that killed over fifty
tribal maliks and broke virtually all organized resistance to
TTP control in most of the agency. By early December 2008, his
men in Khyber were launching regular raids on trucking depots
around Peshawar and burning hundreds of trucks containing
supplies for American forces in Afghanistan. A Pakistani
military operation in Khyber in January 2009 reduced TTP
effectiveness operating out of that agency, but Hakimullah
continued to plan and execute attacks out of his base in Orakzai

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prior to returning to SWA in late May, reportedly with large
numbers of those under his command and in preparation for the
upcoming SWA operation.

Misbahuddin Mehsud and Turkestan Bhittani - GOP Surrogates
--------------------------------------------- -------------
¶5. (C) Misbahuddin Mehsud, the 23-year-old younger brother
of the recently assassinated Qari Zainuddin (ref C), is
Zainuddin's apparent successor as leader of a group of Mehsuds
independent of Baitullah who have engaged in tit-for-tat
assassinations and street battles with the TTP in the areas of
Tank and Dera Ismail Khan over the past several months.
Zainuddin was generally considered raw and untested; his close
familial relation (first cousin) to deceased militant leader
Abdullah Mehsud and the clear Pakistani government backing given
to him, however, had made him the pole around which
anti-Baitullah militants had coalesced. Misbahuddin is even
more untried. He is reportedly more poorly educated and rougher
of manner than Zainuddin (Misbahuddin's nickname is Tofan,
meaning "storm" and referring to his temper).

¶6. (C) Turkestan Bhittani, a 40-year-old soldier who retired
from the South Waziristan Scouts (Frontier Corps) in 1998 to
fight for the Taliban in Afghanistan, was an ally of Baitullah
Mehsud until 2007. Following his break with Baitullah, he
formed a militia composed primarily of members of the Bhittani
tribe. The Bhittani, whose population lives primarily in the
area along the border between SWA and Tank and controls access
between Mehsud territory and the settled areas to the east, has
a history of feuds with the Mehsuds; relatively few Mehsuds are
settled in Jandola and the other Bhittani-dominated areas around
it. A June 2008 incident in which TTP-affiliated Mehsuds
overran the town of Jandola and carried off thirty Bhittani
tribesmen and killed over twenty of them (including many close
relatives of Turkestan) solidified Bhittani tribal opposition to
the TTP. As Qari Zainuddin's group gained mass over recent
months, Turkestan allied his own, longer-lived group to it, and
this alliance seems unlikely to change with Zainuddin's death.
A Bhittani contact told us that it was Turkestan's firm control
of F.R. Tank that allowed Qari Zainuddin space to grow his
group; Turkestan had and continues to have a strong personal
interest in assisting any group that would weaken the TTP.

Hafiz Gul Bahadur - Siding with the TTP
---------------------------------------

¶7. (C) Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a senior militant commander in
North Waziristan Agency (NWA) and erstwhile rival of Baitullah
Mehsud for the title of "leader" of the Tehrik-i-Taliban, is an
Utmanzai Wazir in his late 40s. Despite considerable effort by
the Pakistani government to keep him on the sidelines and an
initial period in which his quiescence appeared to indicate that
he would stay out of the fight, Bahadur allowed and then claimed
a series of escalating ambushes of Pakistani military convoys
June 26-28. His spokesman then announced on June 29 that the
February 2008 peace deal with the government that Bahadur had
hitherto more or less respected was now a dead letter due to
continued drone strikes in and Pakistani military operations
near NWA (ref B). (Note: Consulate contacts told us that
Bahadur had faced pressure from lieutenants to confront the
Pakistani military.) The government responded with airstrikes
against his positions on June 30, but reiterated its commitment
to the peace deal. A low-level conflict has ensued since, with
occasional minor attacks by militants on Pakistani military
installations.

Maulavi Nazir - Neutral?
------------------------

¶8. (C) Maulavi Nazir, the senior militant commander in
southern and western SWA, is an Ahmadzai Wazir in his 30s. Our
contacts from and in SWA consider Nazir to have been the
Pakistani government's man ever since his 2007 campaign against
Baitullah Mehsud ally Haji Omar and associated Uzbek militants
residing in Ahmadzai areas of SWA, though Nazir signed on to the
February 2009 alliance with Baitullah. Like Bahadur, he has
remained silent about the upcoming operation; on July 2, he told

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a jirga that he would maintain neutrality. A well-connected
Ahmadzai Wazir who resides part-time in Wana told us that Nazir
will stay out of the fight unless a spillover from the campaign
creates significant casualties among Ahmadzai Wazir militants or
civilians. In such a circumstance, Nazir would come under
considerable pressure to retaliate proportionately. This is a
plausible eventuality. According to a Consulate contact in SWA,
since the beginning of June, an Ahmadzai lieutenant of Nazir in
the Angoor Adda area of SWA (near the Afghan border) has
repeatedly detonated roadside bombs against Pakistani military
vehicles, killing several soldiers and wounding dozens of
others. More recently, over the past two weeks rockets have
been fired from Ahmadzai Wazir areas toward Pakistani military
installations in and around Wana. The Pakistani army has
retaliated in each instance by shelling militant positions in
the areas from which attacks have been launched.

The Haqqanis - Staying Out of the Fight
---------------------------------------

¶9. (S) Jalaluddin Haqqani and his son Sirajuddin, Afghans
who are based primarily in NWA, are involved primarily in the
fight against coalition forces in Afghanistan. Jalaluddin, a
former anti-Soviet mujahid from the Zadran tribe who had been
aligned with Hizb-i-Islami (Khalis), is now in his 70s and is
considered by our contacts to have a close relationship with
Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Sirajuddin, in his
30s, runs day-to-day affairs for the Haqqani network. This
Taliban group operates primarily in Khowst and Paktika provinces
but is also suspected of having a hand in some of the most
audacious Taliban attacks in Kabul, including the July 2008
bombing of the Indian embassy there. The Haqqanis have
generally taken the stance that attacks against Pakistan's
government are illegitimate, and they have worked to keep
militant leaders in Waziristan focused on the war in Afghanistan
- without success in the case of Gul Bahadur. They appear to be
hunkering down as well; a Consulate contact in the inner circle
of the NWFP's ruling Awami National Party (ANP) says that they
have moved their families out of the agency and to Rawalpindi
(ref A).

Maulana Fazlur Rehman and the Deobandis - The Would-Be Mediators
--------------------------------------------- -------------------

¶10. (C) The opening moves to the government's SWA campaign
have occasioned a flurry of jirgas aimed at mediating between
the Pakistani government and the various militant leaders.
These jirgas have been very similarly composed: led by elected
officials or prominent mullahs (and usually both), they have
been composed in equal measure by maliks from the affected areas
and prominent mullahs active in the region but outside of tribal
structures. The most active jirga, which has been shuttling
between the Pakistani government and Baitullah Mehsud, has been
led by Senator Saleh Shah, a Deobandi cleric in his thirties
from SWA (but not a Mehsud or Wazir) who leads two madrassas,
one in the Tirarzia tehsil of SWA (north of Wana, in the Mehsud
area) and the other in the Mehsud-settled Murtaza area of Tank.
In his absence (when the Senate is in session), jirga leadership
has generally fallen to Maulana Esamuddin Khan, a Mehsud
Deobandi cleric who has led a madrassa in Makeen, the heart of
the area controlled by Baitullah. Maulana Mirajuddin Qureshi,
another Mehsud Deobandi cleric who is a former National Assembly
member, has also played a leading role. Over the past two
weeks, activity by this jirga has tailed off as military
operations have increased their pace.

¶11. (C) Saleh Shah, Esamuddin, and Qureshi (along with fellow
repeated jirga leaders Noor Mohammad among the Ahmadzai Wazirs
and Maulavi Nek Zaman among the Utmanzai Wazirs) are affiliated
with the Deobandi Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam party faction under the
direction of Maulana Fazlur Rehman (JUI-F). Fazlur Rehman,
whose hometown is nearby Dera Ismail Khan, has positioned
himself and his party as a primary mediator between the
government and militants; his affiliates have been mediators in
each of the five peace agreements concluded in the Waziristans
since 2004. His decreasingly oblique criticisms of Pakistani
military operations in Swat and the surrounding Malakand

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division and his more direct criticisms of a follow-on
Waziristan operation have kept pace with the increasing drumbeat
of official talk about Waziristan. Fazlur Rehman's upset at the
prospect of such an operation may in part be a reaction the
political support that his party continues to carry there
(significantly greater than that enjoyed by his party in
Malakand), but it also reflects the fact that the beginning of
such an operation will represent the eclipse of his affiliates'
mediating role in favor of force wielded by parties outside of
his control.

The Maliks - A Non-Factor
-------------------------

¶12. (C) The peace jirgas of the past two months, led and
partially staffed by Deobandi clerics, have generally been
filled out by Mehsud maliks (tribal elders). Our contacts from
SWA have uniformly dismissed them as entirely cowed by Baitullah
and irrelevant in mediation; the deaths of over three hundred
other Waziristan maliks over the past four years appear to have
sapped them of the willingness to confront Baitullah in any way
and rendered them essentially placeholders in the jirgas for
sake of form. Asked if there were any maliks of sufficient
stature to chart an independent course at all, one contact
responded with a Pashtun proverb in which a prince, queried on
how he kept his kingdom under control, replied by silently
chopping off the tops of all of the tallest poppies in the field
where he was walking.

Shahab Ali Khan - The Absentee Political Agent
--------------------------------------------- -

¶13. (C) Shahab Ali Khan, a Bannu native in his mid-30s, was
appointed Political Agent (PA) of SWA in September 2008. He has
been in district government service for just over ten years;
before his current posting, Khan had most recently served as
District Coordination Officer in the sectarian strife-ridden
Hangu district from 2007. Shahab Ali has been described by his
peers and locals as a good negotiator in an agency where many
consider such skills a necessity, and he most recently played a
secondary role in the release of the kidnapped students from
Razmak Cadet College. He reportedly holds conservative views
and is pious. His youth is noted by his colleagues, though it
is not his greatest handicap: effective militant control over
virtually all of "his" agency makes it difficult to travel
outside of Wana and makes life dangerous even in that city. He
reputedly spends most of his time in Tank.

The Division Commanders - A Mixed Bag
-------------------------------------

¶14. (C) The commanders of the three Pakistani military
divisions that will bear the brunt of the fight in Waziristan
come from widely varying backgrounds. The Seventh Division,
headquartered in Miram Shah, NWA, is commanded by Major General
Navid Zaman. Zaman, a Punjabi from Rawalpindi, spent several
successful years as a staff officer at Pakistan's General
Headquarters (GHQ) prior to assuming command in October 2008.
The Ninth Division, headquartered in Wana, SWA, is commanded by
Khalid Rabbani. Rabbani, who has previous experience as a
brigade commander in the FATA, was most recently assigned as
Pakistan's Defense Attache to Libya and Algeria, which face
counterinsurgency challenges of their own. He left that
position at the end of 2007 and was given command of the Ninth
Division at roughly that time, making him the longest-serving of
the three in their current capacities (ref E). The Fourteenth
Division, headquartered in Tank, is commanded by Major General
Ijaz Chaudhry, of whom less is known; he assumed command of the
division in September 2008.

Comment
-------

¶15. (C) Baitullah Mehsud and the military are the predominant
actors in South Waziristan. However, as the government plays
out a strategy of divide and rule, the alliances, feuding, and
maneuverings of other militants as well as tribal and political

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figures bears watching in assessing the direction that
operations in South Waziristan will take. End comment.
TRACY
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Post by Raja Ram »

Regarding Cold Start assessment - Roemer mentions that it is the combined assessment of the mission, which means the milatary attaches, analysts and political matters staff, have concluded. But that doesn't mean that the great US of A gets it right all the time.

It did not, for example, read Indian intent, willingness, prepardness and capability, when it came to assessing India going nuclear did it. Not even a week before the event. Hence the angst from Billy Boy when it happened.

Cold Start is, I believe, one of the options that the GOI would be planning for. It appears that the GOI, expecially the PM does not want to exercise any such option, given his penchant for going many miles and showing admirable restraint. But still, to say that it is part myth, part reality is a leap of faith.

Any responsible GOI would have by now built several such options for different scenarios. Each calibirated as a response for different levels of escalations that Pakistan may try. I am hoping and praying that is the case. Cold Start and a few other options must be there by now, albeit called by different names.

But it does bring into spotlight several things which indicate the policy of drift or doing the bare minimum to protect National Interests. We still need to bring in theater based commands, institutionalise Common Chief of Staff, build intelligence networks on the ground in pakistan, build retributive capabilities that are "stand off" in deployment and "assured" in terms of delivery. That urgency is not visible.

These leaks will sort of bring to the fore, the simple fact that India is alone, and we must muster the capabilities and intent to take pakistan down. If these leaks do not create an awareness and demand amongst Indians, both common citizens as well as in the polity, then we will get what we deserve. There is no one to blame but us.

It is also important to realise that these notes and cables are the institutional recordings of status quo or institutional wisdom of promoting and furthering US interests. They also indicate that when there is a political willingness to change the status quo, these institutions do break away from the norm. That is demonstrated by the willingness of Goerge W Bush and Rice's crossing the rubicon when it came to the Indo US nuclear deal.

The leaks so far clear add as a repository of evidence to long held postulates that have evolved here in BRF.

(i) India is seen as an impediment to US achieving its Af-pak objectives and there will be pressure on India to accommodate Pakistan - in Afghanistan, in Kashmir etc. The US will seek to subordinate legitmate interests of India in order to achieve its objectives.

(ii) India is expected by the US to be restrained at all times. It is something that they feel can be assured about and they are confident that the Indian leadership will not go to war with Pakistan no matter what the provocation. This could be a very debatable assessment. Indian intent has time and again been misassessed e.g. Going Nuclear, Kargil

(iii) Indian capability to punish pakistan for terrorist attacks does not have a range of options that can be effective and yet not escalating to a nuclear exchange, and in the perception of the US, there is no political intent to use any capability, even if it was there.

(iv) Indian policy seems to be - work on Pakistan through a global alliance of powers, principally US to make pakistan quit its war by proxy on India. In the interim, do what is minimum required from a national security perspective and keep concentrating on the economy. The calculation is that pakistan is on a downward spiral and will disintegrate on its own, despite 3.5 powers backing a failed state.
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SCENESETTER FOR GENERAL KAYANI’S VISIT TO WASHINGTON
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/20 ... AD365.html
....

The Big Strategic Questions
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¶11. (S) Zardari and Gilani agree that Pakistan’s biggest threat comes from a growing militant insurgency on the Pak-Afghan border. The military and ISI have not yet made that leap; they still view India as their principle threat and Afghanistan as strategic depth in a possible conflict with India. They continue to provide overt or tacit support for proxy forces (including the Haqqani group, Commander Nazir, Gulbaddin Hekmatyar, and Lashkar-e-Taiba) as a foreign policy tool.

¶12. (S) The single biggest message Kayani should hear in Washington is that this support must end. It is now counterproductive to Pakistan’s own interests and directly conflicts with USG objectives in Afghanistan--where Haqqani is killing American soldiers and Afghan civilians--and the region--where Mumbai exposed the fruits of previous ISI policy to create Lashkar-e-Taiba and still threatens potential conflict between nuclear powers.

¶13. (S) Kayani will want to hear that the U.S. has turned the page on past ISI operations (he was ISI chief from 2004-2007). We should ask for his views on what political end state in Afghanistan would convince him to end proxy support for militants and probe for what would be required by India to allow him to redeploy forces from the Indian border for the fight in FATA. The reality is that, without a redeployment, he does not have the forces (however poorly trained) to combat the insurgency in FATA.
.....

¶21. (C) Kayani may request additional U.S. support for Pakistan’s F-16 program, the flagship symbol of post-9/11 re-engagement. We are about to send to Congress notification for an additional $142 million in FMF support for one part of this complex program. But we do not believe Pakistan can afford to complete a $2 billion plus program to buy 18 new F-16s, upgrade 35 older aircraft, upgrade a new base, and fund a munitions package. Given the funding and production
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line implications of either bailing out the GOP or canceling the program, U.S. agencies are reviewing our options
.
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Nukes
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¶27. (S) Although he has remained silent on the subject, Kayani does not support Zardari’s statement last year to the Indian press that Pakistan would adopt a “no first use” policy on nuclear weapons. Despite increasing financial constraints, we believe that the military is proceeding with
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an expansion of both its growing strategic weapons and missile programs. Pakistan’s strategic assets are under the control of the secular military, which has implemented extensive physical, personnel and command and control safeguards. Our major concern has not been that an Islamic militant could steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in GOP facilities could gradually smuggle enough fissile material out to eventually make a weapon and the vulnerability of weapons in transit.


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Looks like a few news channels are scanning this thread for the Masala..
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SUBJECT: NSA JONES' JUNE 25 MEETING WITH PRESIDENT ZARDARI
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/20 ... D1438.html
Created 2009-06-30 10:10
.....
.....
¶11. (C) Zardari signaled that there had been some progress
in his talks with Indian PM Singh in Russia, even though he
had noted earlier that India's military capacity was ten-fold
Pakistan's.
He regretted not being able to meet Singh at the
upcoming Sharm el-Sheikh summit but, he said, "unfortunately,
PM Gilani had already announced he would be going to Sharm"
(sic). In his meeting with Singh, said Zardari, he had
underscored that "there could not be a better political
moment" to improve relations across the board. India was a
mature democracy and an ancient nation, said Zardari. "Singh
is an excellent economist," he said, but Zardari was not
convinced the Indian Prime Minister understood the
constraints under which Zardari was operating. Helping Singh
to understand them was of import, hinted Zardari. NSC Senior
Director Don Camp said the Indian perspective was to question
GOP activism and to ask what it had done to quash terrorist
organizations. NSA Jones reminded Zardari how important it
was to ensure there was not another Mumbai-style attack.
Zardari reiterated that Singh was unaware of what it took to
"change the mind-set of Pakistan's "establishment," given
Pakistan's short history of fragile democratic regimes
toppled by the military.
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Zardari reiterated that Singh was unaware of what it took to
"change the mind-set of Pakistan's "establishment," given
Pakistan's short history of fragile democratic regimes
toppled by the military.
This is exactly what a well-known,in-the-know Pak individual told me some time ago,when I asked the Q about the poss. chance of Indo-Pak regional military cooperation to reduce tensions.He looked at me as if I had arrived from another planet!
Unless this mindset changes and a snowflake's chances of surviving in hell are far better,we will have to batten down hatches and prepare for the worst as usual.
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dinesha wrote:SUBJECT: NSA JONES' JUNE 25 MEETING WITH PRESIDENT ZARDARI
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/20 ... D1438.html
. . . but Zardari was not convinced the Indian Prime Minister understood the constraints under which Zardari was operating. Helping Singh to understand them was of import, hinted Zardari. . .
Zardari reiterated that Singh was unaware of what it took to "change the mind-set of Pakistan's "establishment," given Pakistan's short history of fragile democratic regimes toppled by the military.[/b]
Terrorist organizations like the IRA, LTTE, Maoists have also a political group that espouses their political thoughts while the terrorists go ahead unhindered behind this garb(age). This is exactly what is happening in Pakistan too where everybody collaborates, in their own way, to destroy India.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... nts/188670

Pakistan/India

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8. (C) Petraeus said the most important threat to Pakistan was on the western border and internally. Terrorists were an existential threat to Pakistan. Kayani agreed. However, Kayani observed that he had postponed a missile test. The Indians, he said, in contrast, had conducted one just a few hours before. Kayani said he had no intention to resume missile testing as long as the current tensions persisted. He promised to be transparent with allies about his plans and had briefed us about his move of 6000 troops to the Indian border. Kayani said he was determined to exercise restraint in his actions with India. He recounted that he had taken no

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action the evening that Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee had supposedly called President Zardari and threatened to declare war. Kayani asked to be alerted if the U.S. had any warning of another attack - he understood that the Indians had been warned about the Mumbai attack. He mentioned that discussion of the consequences of a follow-on attack made both India and Pakistan hostage to extremists and increased the likelihood of an attack. "If there is any clue about another attack," he said, "please share it with us."
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^^^ "please share it with us"... so that we can close the security breach
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Philip:

You are misreading the US right and their moutpiece Palin. All they are ingterested is in unseating BHO. The last thing on their minds is any substance from wikileaks. Palin is probably more busy with her next moose hunting trip and interview with Shawn Hannity to say how baaad, baaad, BHO is, than understanding what WikiLeaks is all about.
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Palin is the type who will call for bombing the Vatican if the Pope said something that could be favorable to Obama. She is an insult to our intelligence. God save this country if she gets anywhere close to Presidency.
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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

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No at this even God is Paling in front of her, she is diety now
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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

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X Posted.

Wikileaks release of a US Embassy cable on the reactions of Western Embassies in India in the immediate aftermath of the Mumbai 26/11 Islamic Terrorist attack to news of the involvement of Pakstani “State Actors”.

For one, the reaction of the UK High Commission in New Delhi:
While there are clear links between the attacks' perpetrators and the extremist group LeT, and likewise, there are links between LeT and the ISI, there is no clear evidence yet to suggest that ISI directed or facilitated the attacks, according to the British High Commission.
Read it all:

US embassy cables: After Mumbai, Delhi diplomats question ISI involvement
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