Bharat Rakshak

…instead of moving nuclear material in armored, well-defended convoys, the [Pakistani government] prefers to move material by subterfuge, in civilian-style vehicles without noticeable defenses, in the regular flow of traffic…according to a senior U.S. intelligence official, the Pakistanis have begun using this low-security method to transfer not merely the “de-mated” component nuclear parts but “mated” nuclear weapons. Western nuclear experts have feared that Pakistan is building small, “tactical” nuclear weapons for quick deployment on the battlefield. In fact, not only is Pakistan building these devices, it is also now moving them over roads.

In other words, the Pakistani government is willing to make its nuclear weapons more vulnerable to theft by jihadists simply to hide them from the United States, the country that funds much of its military budget.

JE Menon wrote:>>PRC has doubts that India is independent - if we get rid of Mainos and EVMs then there could be some progress.

But after that, they may "have doubts" about elections as well, and we may have to get rid of "nationalists" so there could be some progress...

I think myself that PRC needs to have free and fair elections for its leadership at least 4 consecutive times before we start any serious talks with them. Otherwise, we will just increase our military capability and wait. They are no more suicidal than us, and they have more powerful friends on their borders.

Suppiah wrote:
The pay backs are of course, easy to understand..one is it makes the Pakbarians even more nervous, making them move things about even more, thereby revealing their location. They may even be forced to switch to armoured trucks with escorts, which is as good as taking out full page ads in the DAWN.

Pakistan to give military training to Afghan army
Submitted by admin5 on 4 November 2011 - 10:19pm
Muslim World News
By IANS,

Islamabad : The Pakistan army will train the Afghan National Army and police under trilateral pacts signed at the 6th Trilateral Summit held in Istanbul, local media reported Friday.

Quoting Foreign Office spokesperson Tehmina Janjua, The News reported that Pakistan signed a protocol with Afghanistan and Turkey on conduct of mutual exercises and on training cooperation with Afghanistan. Pakistan would train police personnel to counter terrorism/law enforcement and it would also train the military personnel, Xinhua reported.

According to one of the protocols, the three countries signed a memorandum of understanding for training police personnel and conduct of mutual military exercises.

The protocol includes training courses between the militaries of the three countries and mutual exercises. These were signed by Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, General Necdet Ozal of Turkey and General Shah Muhammad Kairimi from Afghanistan.

The foreign office spokesperson said that Pakistan's principal objectives with regards to Afghanistan are "to promote stability, peace and prosperity in this brotherly country. This is important for peace and stability in the region as a whole".

"We are actively participating in all trilateral processes with regards to Afghanistan. These include Pakistan-Afghanistan-Turkey, Pakistan-Afghanistan-Iran, Pakistan-Afghanistan-US and the Pakistan-Afghanistan-Tajikistan-Russia quadrilateral as well as the SCO-sponsored processes and RECCA," said the spokesperson.

Local watchers believe that the conduct of mutual exercises and training cooperation would lessen the tension between the two countries. After the assassination of former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani on Sep 20, a statement issued by Afghan foreign office accused Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI of alleged involvement in the murder plot. Pakistani government refused it but such accusations tensed bilateral relations.

Pakistan has made no attempt to shut down LeT: US Congressman Gary Ackerman
IANS Nov 4, 2011, 10.58am IST
Tags:
Osama bin Laden|Lashkar-e-Taiba
WASHINGTON, Accusing Pakistan of abetting terrorist groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), responsible for the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, a key lawmaker wants the Obama administration to adopt a more realistic policy towards a key ally.

"We need to rid ourselves of the absurd notion that we can change Pakistan, reform its government, or create real trust," Gary Ackerman, top Democrat on a House foreign affairs sub-panel, said at a Congressional hearing Thursday.

Asserting "Pakistani military establishment is not our friend. They are not our allies. They are not our partners. They are not on our team," he said "It's not a secret that the Haqqani network is responsible for numerous attacks on the Afghan government and our troops.

It's not a secret that Lashkar-e-Taiba, which was responsible for the horrific November, 2008, massacre of civilians in Mumbai, India, an attack that clearly implicated the Pakistani military, operates openly in Pakistan."

"The government of Pakistan has made no effort to interfere, disrupt, arrest or shut down any of these groups or their activities," Ackerman said noting "It's no secret that Osama bin Laden was living comfortably in Abbottabad."

Military terms US media report a mere laughingstock
By: Maqbool Malik | Published: November 05, 2011
ISLAMABAD - Pakistan Friday dubbed a US media report regarding safety and security of its nuclear assets as a mere laughingstock, saying it was handiwork of the same lobby that wants to establish Pakistan as an irresponsible state.
“This a not the US monolithic view. It is work of some lobbies struggling to prove Pakistan as an irresponsible state,” knowledgeable sources in Pakistan’s military told TheNation requesting not to be named.
Laughing at the report published by a US magazine The Atlantic Wire, ‘Pakistan transports its nukes in everyday vans’, sources noted that after acknowledgement by senior US officials that safety and security of Pakistani nuclear assets is no more an issue, such media reports are worthless to comment upon. Castigating the report as a mere fabrication they thought Pakistan’s nuclear programme was the safest in the world.
“Look at the Indian nuclear programme in our neighbourhood, for example, that has gone through hundred of recorded major incidents so far,” the sources said. They were of the view that Pakistan always transported its nuclear assets in parts rather than in any mated form as alleged by the US magazine in the report.
There was no official input immediately available from the ISPR.
However, former Chief of Army Staff Gen (Retd) Mirza Aslam Beg described the report a pack of lies. “This is absolutely nonsense. This propaganda has long history. Some groups in the US create a fake news and then try to justify it by taking reaction from the irrelevant people,” former COAS Pakistan who has deep knowledge about Pakistan’s nuclear programme maintained.
“It’s non of their business. We know very well how to secure and move our assets”, he retorted. He noted that there have been many nuclear related incidents in the world, but Pakistan had none.
“They better look into those vulnerable programmes as well as risks attached to the transportation of fissile nuclear materials around the globe”, he added.
Former Director General Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), Lt.gen (retd) Hamid Gul said while sharing his insight into how safest Pakistan’s nuclear assets are.
He said Indian nuclear programme had gone through 153 major mishaps, but none of the lobbies in the US had ever raised any concern.

He said Pakistan’s nuclear programme is a defensive in nature and most safe and secured in the world.
“ These people should not worry about our nuclear assets. These are our assets and Pakistan is free to move them anywhere”, he quipped. According to The Atlantic’s new cover story, Pakistan transports its nuclear assets in civilian-style vans through busy traffic.

He noted that there have been many nuclear related incidents in the world, but Pakistan had none.
...snip..

He said Indian nuclear programme had gone through 153 major mishaps, but none of the lobbies in the US had ever raised any concern.

Suppiah wrote:Groper clarifies - no MFN...
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true

SSridhar wrote:Confusing statements from Pakistan on the MFN status
Developing cold feet after the jihadi terrorists (which includes the PA) issued warning ? Would the MFN become another few-hours-wonder like the 2008 attempt by Zardari to bring the ISI under civilian control ?

The US is a champion brinkmanship gold medal winner time and again. Recall Cuban missile crisis, with US setting up a cuba quarentine on the high seas.

Their first response to the paki will turn the paki's pants wet and a sick brown-yellow in color.

When it comes to directly threatening the US homeland, the US will pull out all the stops

SSridhar wrote:Rajesh, in short, we should try to dismantle Pakistan in every which way possible. For that, GoI must first determine that we have reached a point of no return with Pakistan and no other tactic would work.

Pratyush wrote:^^^

How do you know that the PRC is not actually supplying Nukes to TSP. Please keep in mind that the TSP lacks all major Human Resource ingredients to run any modern successful weapons program.

Suppiah wrote: The other is to add a bit of fuel to the anti-Pak media fire that is being lit by Unkil, it makes us jingos at BRF so much happy without producing any results, and anyway that is much cheaper than launching Tomahawks at ISI HQ. No one will believe Paki denials anyway so it adds to the urban legends about Pakbarian animalistan..

If only Unkil stops all this nonsense, gets serious and drops a daisy cutter or two on KSA barbarian HQ and TSPA / ISI HQ, war on terror will be over in two weeks.

shiv wrote:Pakis want to nuke India? Fine. Let them nuke us. We have 1.1 billion and 7 times their area. We will survive. The Islamic republic of Pakistan with their Islamic nuclear bomb and green paint will die!. Jai Bajrang bali! Jai Shri Ram! Jai Hanuman!

Bring on your nukes you shits. This is India. Not America.

rajanb wrote:^^^^I am now suspicious that there are alot of skeletons in the American cupboards. And that is maybe why the Pakis have them by the short hairs.

Dipanker wrote: Paki are known pathological liars, even if they were telling the "truth" they can be easily discredited by the Americans. Nobody will believe them.

IMO the weak link is Ombaba.

Ivanev wrote:

SSridhar wrote:Rajesh, in short, we should try to dismantle Pakistan in every which way possible. For that, GoI must first determine that we have reached a point of no return with Pakistan and no other tactic would work.

Also, the dismantling should come from inside, any external effort would lead to Nuclear war which everyone wants to avoid! How would the other infidels who are feeding Pakis now react?
And, is it possible for only India to do it alone, because the Pakis would cry out loud and would retaliate through increased Terrorism and Nuclear rhetoric.

Is it possible for India alone to do it ? Pray, which other country should do that ? Not the US, and US analysts are becoming increasingly forthright on why so. The costs of inaction against Pakistan are increasing.

Asked about the confusing remarks from Pakistan government, the Foreign Secretary, Mr Ranjan Mathai, read out the statement by the Pakistan Commerce Ministry after the Cabinet meeting which said: “It has the mandate to take forward the process of normalisation of trade relations between India and Pakistan, which would culminate in the observance of Most Favoured Nation (MFN) principle in its true spirit.’’

“According to the information available through the Pakistan government, the Cabinet has approved the process of normalisation of trade relations of which MFN is a part. The actual implementation would be a culmination of the normalisation process which could take some time,” he said.

Backtracking on the issue, the Pakistan Prime Minister, Mr Yousuf Raza Gilani, has said the Commerce Ministry has only been tasked by the Cabinet to move forward on the issue in bilateral trade negotiations.

“The Cabinet has only given its approval in principle to move forward on the issue (of MFN) and permitted the Ministry of Commerce, which is actively engaged in trade talks with New Delhi, to negotiate with it trade-related issues,” Mr. Gilani told reporters at his home in Lahore on Friday night.

“We will give it the go-ahead if the situation is quite favourable and in the national interest. Otherwise, proceedings on it would be withheld,” the Premier was quoted as saying by the media.

“Better late than never. I welcome it,” Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said reacting to questions on Pakistan's decision to confer Most Favoured Nation Status on India. “This should have happened 17 years ago!” Dr. Singh exclaimed. “As one who believes that, rightly or wrongly, the destinies of countries in South Asia are very closely linked, {'wrongly' Mr. Prime Minister, utterly wrongly} I welcome the decision of Pakistan to grant us Most Favoured Nation treatment.”

rajanb wrote:

shiv wrote:Pakis want to nuke India? Fine. Let them nuke us. We have 1.1 billion and 7 times their area. We will survive. The Islamic republic of Pakistan with their Islamic nuclear bomb and green paint will die!. Jai Bajrang bali! Jai Shri Ram! Jai Hanuman!

Bring on your nukes you shits. This is India. Not America.

Wow Shiv. Patience.

No rajanb - the minute Pakis talk nukes it becomes religious war instantly. Let Pakis know that right now and prove that they have it in them. Let's see what they produce. We will shows our true colors - which is an orange glow over Pakistan.

SSridhar wrote:Rajesh, in short, we should try to dismantle Pakistan in every which way possible. For that, GoI must first determine that we have reached a point of no return with Pakistan and no other tactic would work.

Suppiah wrote:...and their yellow cabal..

RSoami wrote:Sir, Your post is too full of exaggerations regarding American power.

The US is a champion brinkmanship gold medal winner time and again. Recall Cuban missile crisis, with US setting up a cuba quarentine on the high seas.

They did not win any medal in the Cuban Missile crisis although the western media in general and American media in particular likes to portray it that way.

Their first response to the paki will turn the paki's pants wet and a sick brown-yellow in color.

It seems to be the other way round.Its the Americans who after lots of shouting are toning down their rhetoric and have now agreed to share details about drone strikes.And I dont hear any Pakistani offensive against the Haqqanis either.

When it comes to directly threatening the US homeland, the US will pull out all the stops

Perhaps. But then, arent the Pakistanis killing American soldiers in Afghanistan.??What earth-shaking action is the US taking against this perfidy.