The retired army officer must prepare himself for a CBI 'chapa' anytime soon. Let the party begin!
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Nitin Gokhale2 ex-Chiefs-S. Roychoudhury & VP Malik put the onus on Antony & MoD to probe Army Chief allegation abt being offered a 14-cr bribe.
On the statement of Gen Singh, former Army chief Deepak Kapoor said, “It is below my dignity to comment on the allegation.”
+1 to that!rahulm wrote: Moral and ethical values are rarely visible today. We have an abundance of spirituality and ritualism (don't point feet towards people, take off shoes when entering house or temple which all follow, respect elders etc) but little of morality and ethics in society.
Current, moral values are restricted to lectures on women's dresses and behaviour. We will respect a bribe taker and giver who dresses conservatively but show contempt for a honest person who dresses in a sleeveless western dress or wears a bikini. That's the current moral benchmark.Corruption and honesty are no longer part of our acceptable moral fabric.
India is shining but [in a uniquely Indian way] without the gloss (TM).
Yatha Praaja, tahta Raja.
Shame. Mahindra or Tata or whoever, should take this opportunity wih panache.Since BEML doesn’t have the know-how to manufacture these trucks even 14 years after the deal was first struck, it sources components from Tatra Sipox (UK) and uses them for assembling the trucks.
Anybody has any idea what exactly is Sub-standard ? Are they not performing to their fullest potential or are spare parts faulty or there is a problem with the design ? I read Nelson's post about the scam.So is the problem about screw driver technology or bad performance.Also slightly OT have Tatra trucks been converted into right hand drives ?sum wrote:^^ Damn, VKS mentions that the Tatra trucks offered were sub-standard!!!
And we have atleast 5K of them in inventory....wonder how many of them are just junk being carried around due to earlier bribes?
If the same had happened to Arjun, even the 124 existing ones would have been recalled!!
aniket wrote: Anybody has any idea what exactly is Sub-standard ? Are they not performing to their fullest potential or are spare parts faulty or there is a problem with the design ? I read Nelson's post about the scam.So is the problem about screw driver technology or bad performance.Also slightly OT have Tatra trucks been converted into right hand drives ?
That distortion of the original proverb is much favoured by the sleaze-ridden, but sociologists tend to agree with the original.Venu wrote: Yatha Praaja, tahta Raja.
+1 to that!
What are the abbreviations I underlined?it needs courage to disclose some thing of this magnitude. we must respect the courage rather than start suspecting timing and purpose and all that bull sht. as an army officer I salute Gen singh to have finally gathered courage to speak out abt this rotten system . This beautiful organisation has been thrown to dogs after Gen Roychoudhary took over the final nail in the coffin was put by JJ Singh, most corrupt gen army could see. Now his protege likely to takeover. Anyone who has done a tenure in south block knows the TWO famous lobbies, all transactions fall within the purview of one of them. All appointments from PP, procurement, Ordnance to DGQA are controlled by them. Its a huge network and very closely related cong brass. BJP only draws its share once matter goes to PPC. All are taken care of. NO one should show any surprise in such revelations, it is just tip of the iceberg. Only TWO things are sacred in INDIA- Army & Cricket and believe me these two are biggest earner of Black money for big bigs stashed abroad. Challenge me if some one can?
He could have at least chosen to distance himself from his MS Lt General Avdesh Prakash. He has not yet done it, has he?nelson wrote:Now for the first time, we have something from Gen retd Deepak Kapoor. Even though it is almost nothing.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 232946.ece
Even without any direct allegation against him he chose to say this.
On the statement of Gen Singh, former Army chief Deepak Kapoor said, “It is below my dignity to comment on the allegation.”
+108 to that!Pranav wrote:That distortion of the original proverb is much favoured by the sleaze-ridden, but sociologists tend to agree with the original.Venu wrote: Yatha Praaja, tahta Raja.
+1 to that!
There are many case studies of societies cleaning up rapidly once they get leadership that actually wants to get rid of graft.
The sad thing is, the bribes are usually very tempting and very hard to refuse. During early stage of my career i was in govt lab and was part of a team that prepared rfp (not defence related). The good thing is, all the shortlisted candidates invariably meet the minimum requirements. So, no matter which is finally bought it does not in any way degrade the function or purpose it was bought for. The bad thing is, this promotes chaltahi attitude. Meaning, the decision maker can easily talk him/her self out of guilt.Altair wrote:The person who offered the bribe Lt.Gen.Tejinder Singh was the chief of the DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency. I am shivering to even contemplate what else he offered to sell and to whom. Forget the Trucks!
I agree. I think, what he is saying is that the system is quite corrupt. In such a system, it takes a great courage, regardless of the motivation, to publicly reveal such truth.chackojoseph wrote:Good to see VKS hitting at the underbelly of corruption as he goes. During the DoB issue, the scums had gone all lengths to malign him.
Happening already! Congress is slamming General Singh:johneeG wrote:I agree. I think, what he is saying is that the system is quite corrupt. In such a system, it takes a great courage, regardless of the motivation, to publicly reveal such truth.chackojoseph wrote:Good to see VKS hitting at the underbelly of corruption as he goes. During the DoB issue, the scums had gone all lengths to malign him.
The immediate reaction by the guilty, generally, is to malign the revealer(by casting aspersions on his motivations, timing, ...etc). And generally, the common people fall for that trick.
Hope that does not happen...
Though Brigadier Ramaswamy has this to say: http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 31048.aspx"It is really unfortunate. Being a government official and head of the Indian Army, he should have registered an FIR if someone came to him and offered a bribe," said Congress spokesperson Manish Tewari.
Brigadier Ramaswamy (retired)
The solution is simple. If the Army and the Govt. believe their officers are honest, the CBI should follow one easy rule - just investigate the number of houses/property of the previous three of each - Army chiefs, Quarter Master General (QMG), director generals of Army Ordnance corps, Army Service Corps. This alone will bring out thousands of skeletons from the closet, I guarantee you. There is no need for further investigation - they will all 20 generals speak the truth - who took how much.
Manish Tiwari and Digvijay Singh are the residuals left from Anna Hazare campaign. These both along with P Chidambaram and Kapil Sibal will bury any honest man alive.peter wrote:Happening already! Congress is slamming General Singh:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 416599.cms"It is really unfortunate. Being a government official and head of the Indian Army, he should have registered an FIR if someone came to him and offered a bribe," said Congress spokesperson Manish Tewari.
How do you know how public is taking it? Corruption in army is not unheard and recent spate of corruption by CON party and its goons have cemented the impression of rampant corruption in public life. In fact coming from a person of such credibility would lend its weight to such statements only.Nikhil T wrote: . Now it gives out an impression that the grapes are sour and that Gen VKS wouldn't have said this, had he been allowed to serve until 2013. [I'm not judging here]. So the public is now treating this as no different from "your word v/s the other guy's word".
PP - Perspective PlanningArun Roperia wrote:I apologize in advance if this is not appropriate but I thought it might be worth sharing.
I picked this of TOI comment section written by a user identifying himself as "col a gautam (noida) " It stands out from other comments as something written by a pro and not the usual ToI posters.
What are the abbreviations I underlined?it needs courage to disclose some thing of this magnitude. we must respect the courage rather than start suspecting timing and purpose and all that bull sht. as an army officer I salute Gen singh to have finally gathered courage to speak out abt this rotten system . This beautiful organisation has been thrown to dogs after Gen Roychoudhary took over the final nail in the coffin was put by JJ Singh, most corrupt gen army could see. Now his protege likely to takeover. Anyone who has done a tenure in south block knows the TWO famous lobbies, all transactions fall within the purview of one of them. All appointments from PP, procurement, Ordnance to DGQA are controlled by them. Its a huge network and very closely related cong brass. BJP only draws its share once matter goes to PPC. All are taken care of. NO one should show any surprise in such revelations, it is just tip of the iceberg. Only TWO things are sacred in INDIA- Army & Cricket and believe me these two are biggest earner of Black money for big bigs stashed abroad. Challenge me if some one can?