Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

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US drones attack Pakistan targets for third successive day
The frequency of US drone attacks is still a long way from its 2010 peak, but it has picked up since the Nato conference in Chicago last month which failed to persuade Pakistan to reopen its borders to Nato traffic. Supply lines into Afghanistan have been severed for six months.

Bill Roggio, an analyst who runs the Long War Journal website, said the recent attacks underlined "just how bad Pakistan and US relations are at the moment".

"These last eight strikes all occurred after the Nato summit," he said. "The strikes were halted in an attempt to get the Pakistanis on board to reopen the supply lines but when they didn't happen they turned the programme back on."
The increase in the number of drone attacks comes as the US assistant defence secretary, Peter Lavoy, prepares to visit Islamabad in an effort to persuade Pakistan to end its blockade.

In the border areas some people agreed that Pakistan was being punished by the US for its intransigence.
Almost every report has the highlighted lines in one form or the other. Validates the old saying 'Laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahi mante'.
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Gus wrote:very clever that...I am going to use it elsewhere, if you don't mind.
If that refers to me, please feel free.
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Aditya_V wrote:BTW is this Dr. Afridi related by any chance to the BIG missing IPL Hearted One?
From the same tribe at least. Afridi is one of the marauding tribes in Pakistan's lawless frontier (ok their interior, exterior and posterior is pretty lawless too and marauding is not exclusive to their tribes).
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US agrees to pay Pakistan $1.18b of Coalition Support Fund arrears
June 04--WASHINGTON (Dawn/ANN) -- The United States has agreed to reimburse US$1.18 billion or almost 75 per cent of the claims Pakistan has submitted for the expenses incurred in the fight against militants along the Afghan border, diplomatic sources told Dawn.

The money comes from the Coalition Support Fund (CSF), which is used for reimbursing Pakistan and other US allies helping it in the war against terror.

The approval shows that despite increased tensions, the US financial assistance to Pakistan has continued although it is becoming increasingly difficult to get congressional support for helping Pakistan.

Last week, Pakistan's Ambassador Sherry Rehman and her team succeeded in persuading Congressman David Dreier, Chairman of the House Rules Committee, to drop an amendment that would have made it difficult to continue to provide financial assistance to Pakistan.

Moved by Congressman Ted Poe, the amendment sought a blanket ban on providing financial assistance to Pakistan from the funds earmarked for the next fiscal year.

But this success brings only a temporary relief for Ambassador Rehman and her team as this week they will have to deal with yet another amendment. Congressman Ron Paul, who has moved the amendment, is leading the effort to strip Pakistan of all American aid funds until they release Dr Shakil Afridi who helped the CIA trace Al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden.

"I think we need to negotiate from a position of strength," Congressman Paul told Fox News.

"I don't think the administration is standing up to Pakistan -- giving them a billion dollars and saying please let him go instead of saying "you don't get a penny until you let him go". That's the way I'd deal with them."

And the Pakistani team fears that such moves will intensify on Monday when US lawmakers and officials return to work and are asked to react to a Pakistani court's decision to acquit four accomplices of the Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad.

"These are very difficult days for Pakistani diplomats and lobbyists in Washington," observed one of the lobbyists who did not want to be identified.

"To be Pakistan's ambassador in Washington now is like being the Pakistani ambassador in Moscow in the 1980s when Pakistan was helping the Mujahideen fight the Russians."

But on Sunday, Pakistani diplomats seemed happy with the approval of 75 per cent of the CSF claims.

"They usually pay 75 per cent of the claims we put up, so $1.18 billion is the deal," said a diplomat.

Also, the US and Pakistani teams engaged in resolving the Nato routes dispute have continued their talks as well. On Saturday, US Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Nides spoke with Finance Minister Hafeez Shaikh, their second conversation in less than a week.

Nides, although based in Washington, is leading the US effort for reopening the routes Pakistan closed in November last year when a US air raid killed 24 of its soldiers. Shaikh is leading the Pakistani team. :mrgreen:

Also, a senior Pentagon official, Assistant Defence Secretary Peter Leovy, is returning to Islamabad this week to lead the talks.
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The Paki moves only imply that they know they will get their money sooner or later - I bet they have been privately assured of such by their friends in the state department. Rest is all nautanki for public entertainment.
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pankajs wrote:How to Repair the U.S. Pakistan Relationship
American diplomacy can make this case to Islamabad, but only the Pakistanis can decide to take charge and act. If they don't, then the U.S. should encourage India to play a larger role in Afghanistan. India already has a major aid program and is considering building a railroad to link Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea via Iran. India could help build and pay for the Afghan army. If the Pakistani generals see that encouraging Taliban intransigence is creating their worst nightmare—an Afghan-Indian-American alliance—then they may finally wake up to the foolishness of their policies.
We need to be careful with these ullus.
In other words America should use India as a pawn. As you have said we need to be careful.
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Raja Bose wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:BTW is this Dr. Afridi related by any chance to the BIG missing IPL Hearted One?
From the same tribe at least. Afridi is one of the marauding tribes in Pakistan's lawless frontier (ok their interior, exterior and posterior is pretty lawless too and marauding is not exclusive to their tribes).
Afridi is a tribe in wild west of pakistan. everyone in the tribe is known by the same last name. similar tribes are mengal, bugti etc.
btw there are over 10000 afridis in india as well. they migrated before the partition.
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SSridhar wrote:Pakistan seeks AIR's help on Jinnah's 'secular state' speech - Anita Joshua in The Hindu
Taking advantage of the improved climate between the two countries, Pakistan Broadcasting Corporation (PBC) has requested All India Radio (AIR) for a copy of founding father Mohammad Ali Jinnah's August 11, 1947, speech in which he said “religion or caste or creed… has nothing to do with the business of the State''.

Subsequently also, various attempts have been made to black out the speech. Former Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto claimed that attempts were made to burn the speech and a concerted effort was made during the regime of military dictator Zia-ul Haq to remove all reference to that historic address from textbooks. Given the circumstances, securing a copy of the speech is more than just a case of getting access to a recording of archival importance to Pakistan.
Could it be that they want to get the archived copy to do a 'hose down' maneuver? A few years from now we will see conspiracy stories that the Yindu banias concocted fake Jinnah speeches as AIR archives that defamed Pakistan and Islam. In Pakistan there is no caste or creed - It is only the narrow minded Hindus that have caste and creed associations. Pakistan was created as the citadel of Islam onlee.
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^^ b2b
sorry. couldn't resist
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RCase wrote:

Could it be that they want to get the archived copy to do a 'hose down' maneuver? A few years from now we will see conspiracy stories that the Yindu banias concocted fake Jinnah speeches as AIR archives that defamed Pakistan and Islam. In Pakistan there is no caste or creed - It is only the narrow minded Hindus that have caste and creed associations. Pakistan was created as the citadel of Islam onlee.
I agree. India should not have anything to do with Pakistan formation and retention of their ideology even after 60 years.
India was broken due to that man and he should not be reconstructed.
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Nato strikes alternate supply route deals through Central Asia
BRUSSELS: Nato has concluded agreements with Central Asian nations allowing it to evacuate vehicles and other military equipment from Afghanistan and completely bypass Pakistan, which once provided the main supply route for coalition forces.
Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan had agreed to allow the reverse transport of alliance equipment.
The announcement on Monday appears to indicate that Washington and the allies are now preparing for the possibility that the supply link through Pakistan, said to be about six times cheaper than its northern alternative, may not be reopened at all.
:(( :((

But wait!! Six times cheaper?
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Three US ‘diplomats’ detained in Peshawar for illegally carrying weapons. Another assault on the paki H&D. This must equal several $ Billions of H&D violation money.
Six people, including three US nationals, were detained Monday after police discovered a large cache of illegal arms from their vehicles.
4 M4 assault rifles with 36 magazines and 4 pistols with 30 magazines.
Reuters news agency reported a US embassy official as saying: “These officials were returning from a visit to Malakand University where they were preparing for an English education event for underprivileged children. They had all proper permissions but were stopped when returning to Peshawar.”
Thats it? 4 M4 and 4 pistols? You call that a large cache? Heck, an average self-respecting paki household of ten with honor and dignity has more weapons that this. Second amazing point to note is the university. Malakand University is in K-P State where the wild ones roam.
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Four more halaled
More green on green action.

Four more Shias lose life in Quetta
At least six people, including four Shias and a policeman, were killed and another policeman injured when a group of armed men attacked a welding shop on Essa Khan Road on Sunday, police said.
it could be the case of sectarian targeted killing No $hit Sherlock
Essa Khan: is that the same as Christ Khan? A road named after a Christian in Quetta!! Thats a dead give away (no pun intended).
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anupmisra wrote:Nato strikes alternate supply route deals through Central Asia

But wait!! Six times cheaper?

Pakistan seeks $2000 transit fee for each NATO tanker
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Pakistan has reportedly demanded $1800 to $2000 as the fee for every NATO container truck and tanker during negotiations with the US for reopening supply routes for foreign troops in Afghanistan.

Earlier, the US had refused to accept Pakistan's demand of $5000 a truck. Since then, negotiations have been underway and Pakistan has now proposed a fee of between $1800 and $2000.
Ah! The Lahori Logic and Madrassa Math finally makes sense!
The carpet sellers started out with the outrageous amount of $5000. When they got wind that alternative is a lot less, they immediately lowered their prices to be in the range of six times the actual price. Wait till they see the client (Amirkhan) might REALLY walk away and there will be a fire sale! :rotfl:
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Don't we know already that the major portion of the outrageous transport charges go into the pockets of the ISI and "crore commanders"? NATO has finally realised that the Pakis stink and that it is 6 times cheaper to pay "customs duty" to the northern nations than pay the Pakis.The economic "bite" afflicting Europe is another factor.wars are outrageouslye expensive and the west has bankrupted itself in Af-Pak,a war that has lasted longer than the Vietnam War with equally disastrous results!
Where Pak is going to plug the gap in its finances is a mot point.watch for the increase in drug trafficking from Afghn. which the ISI/Talibs control.
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US drone strike targets al Qaeda No. 2: reports

http://dawn.com/2012/06/05/us-drone-str ... 2-reports/
WASHINGTON: al Qaeda’s second-in-command Abu Yahya al-Libi was the target of a US drone strike that killed 15 people in Pakistan’s lawless tribal belt on Monday, US media reported.US officials confirmed to The New York Times that Libi had been the target of the missile attack in North Waziristan, a Taliban and al Qaeda stronghold along the Afghan border, but could not say whether he had survived.“People are looking very closely to see whether he’s still alive,” a US official told the Times.“It’ll take some time for people to gain a high level of confidence that he’s dead. But he’s number two in al Qaeda, and this would be a major blow.” A senior US official also told ABC News that Libi had been the target of the attack, the third drone strike in as many days and the deadliest this year.A senior Pakistani security source in Peshawar, meanwhile, told the Times that it “looks like he has been killed.” This would be a major blow to core al Qaeda – removing the number two leader twice in less than a year,” a senior US official told AFP, declining to confirm whether Libi was dead or alive
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-52728 ... -her:-Asma

Establishment plotting to kill me: Asma
ISLAMABAD: Renowned Pakistani human rights activist Asma Jehangir on Monday night said that the country’s powerful security establishment was planning to get her killed using one of the many jihadi outfits operating in the country. She spoke out on a couple of primetime talk shows; stating that the establishment particularly a sensitive agency – was upset with her for picking up cudgels for the Baloch people and speaking out against the role of the security establishment in the restive province of Balochistan.Ms. Jehangir went public with her fears after an “information-leak from a responsible and highly credible source.” Alarmed by this leak, leading members of Pakistan’s civil society said: “What makes the reported conspiracy to liquidate Asma Jehangir especially serious is, firstly, the environment of target-killings, in which dissident persons’ dead bodies are being dumped all over, and, secondly, the fact that the finger of accusation has been pointed at the extraordinarily privileged state actors.”In a statement issued through the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, they said this is not a conspiracy against one individual alone but a plot against Pakistan’s future as a democratic state. “We wish to make it clear to all and sundry, especially those who preside over the security apparatus, that they must not under-estimate the consequences of any harm being caused to the life of Asma Jehangir.”
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anupmisra wrote:Nato strikes alternate supply route deals through Central Asia
BRUSSELS: Nato has concluded agreements with Central Asian nations allowing it to evacuate vehicles and other military equipment from Afghanistan and completely bypass Pakistan, which once provided the main supply route for coalition forces.
Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan had agreed to allow the reverse transport of alliance equipment.
The announcement on Monday appears to indicate that Washington and the allies are now preparing for the possibility that the supply link through Pakistan, said to be about six times cheaper than its northern alternative, may not be reopened at all.
:(( :((

But wait!! Six times cheaper?
If you take into account the baksheesh doled out to the Pakis in the form of Kerry-Lugar, arms and Coalition support funds, Paki routes are as costly as the NDN. In return the US does not get any goodwill or strategic alignment with the Pakis.

This is the biggest miscalculation the Pakis made. Just counting the money for container transport and thinking that since Pakis container costs are cheaper, they can milk more. Already little birdies tell me that soft money (in the form of USAID ityadi) is getting drastically cut. A whole bunch of RAPEs and RAPETTES are in angst faced with a job loss (all the RAPEs and RAPETTEs that I know and interact with are the NGO/Development types funded by Massa).
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Jhujar wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-52728 ... -her:-Asma

Establishment plotting to kill me: Asma
I know for a fact that the establishment regularly "leaks" such information to scare the uppity abduls and keep them in line. Many people's families have received such "leaks"
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hahaha..Pakistan is again demanding apology from US.

From "We should move on. We are a week away from a deal." to "We want apology" in 15 days flat and also a missile "test" as a bonus. :rotfl: Why shouldn't Pakistan get an Oscar for comedy?
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Pakistan successfully test-fires Hatf VII cruise missile
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Tuesday tested a fifth nuclear-capable missile since India launched a new long-range weapon capable of hitting China just over six weeks ago.

The Hatf VII cruise missile has a range of 700 kilometres, can carry conventional warheads and has stealth capabilities, the military said.

It described the “low flying, terrain hugging missile with high maneuverability” as having “pinpoint accuracy” and “radar avoidance features”.

Tuesday’s test was Pakistan’s fifth of a nuclear-capable missile since April 25.

On April 20, India successfully test fired the Agni V capable of delivering a one-tonne nuclear warhead anywhere in rival China, marking a major advance in its military capabilities.
What's up with the pukis? Surely this cannot be in response to Agni V.

<Speculation>
Is this in response to the drone blitz? Some sort of H&D saving formula?
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24 killed in attack on Pakistan check-post
At least 20 militants and four soldiers were killed after an army check-post was attacked in Pakistan's northwest tribal region early Tuesday, a media report said. The attack occurred in the wee hours when an unknown number of militants stormed an army check-post in Salala area of Mohmand Agency, a tribal region along the Pakistan- Afghanistan border, Xinhua reported.

According to Dawn news, four soldiers lost their lives in the attack and 20 militants were killed in the retaliatory attack by the army.
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Apologies for posting this long article in full
Insight: As Afghan exit looms, U.S. debate rages over Haqqani militants
(Reuters) - Five days after Afghan militants showered the U.S. embassy in Kabul last September with rockets and bullets in a bold, nearly 20-hour assault, top U.S. officials pointedly pressed the Pakistani government to take action against the Haqqani network, the Taliban-allied militant group.

A handful of American officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Marc Grossman, President Barack Obama's envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, laid out during the meeting in New York what they knew about the attack, which they traced back to the town of Miranshah, where the network has a base in northwest Pakistan.

The Americans walked away from the 3-1/2 hour encounter much as they have from many others that preceded and have followed it - with Pakistani promises to support U.S. goals but little else.

Now, as the United States and other NATO nations prepare to withdraw from Afghanistan and their time grows short to cripple a still-potent insurgency, debate is raging within the Obama administration about how to confront the threat posed by Haqqani militants - and about how actively Pakistan is supporting them.

"There are troubling links between elements of the Pakistani government and the Haqqanis," said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "How high those links go is an open question."

The September 18, 2011 meeting, on the margins of the U.N. General Assembly, was an important moment in the Obama administration's nearly four-year-long bid to persuade Pakistan to take decisive action against the Haqqanis. The group's tenacious guerrilla tactics - more than those of the rest of the Afghan Taliban - may represent the future Afghan insurgency.

Whether or not the United States can convince Pakistan to act may help determine the legacy of the war in Afghanistan, which began in 2001. With most American troops due to be out of Afghanistan in 2014, the United States appears to have limited options to confront the Haqqanis.

"The Haqqanis are currently the strongest horse in the race ... for influence in a post-U.S. Afghanistan. The Pakistani security services plan to ride that horse as far as it will take them," said Jeffrey Dressler of the Institute for the Study of War think tank, a leading U.S. scholar on the Haqqani network.

'GOODNESS PERSONIFIED'

The Haqqani network, founded by Jalaluddin Haqqani, fought the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, with varying levels of support from Pakistani, Saudi and U.S. officials. His son Sirajuddin Haqqani now plays an increasingly prominent role in a network that operates both in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Influential U.S. congressman Charlie Wilson once called Jalaluddin Haqqani, in his days as a U.S. ally against Moscow in the 1980s, "goodness personified."

"They went from 'goodness personified' to terrorists," said former CIA operations officer Arturo Munoz.

Dressler said current and retired elements of Pakistani security forces, including the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), at times gave the Haqqani network financial, logistical and possibly more direct support. Occasionally, he said, they help them plan or carry out attacks.

Some current and former U.S. officials say that a handful of sophisticated attacks by the Haqqani network have shown direct support from elements of Pakistani intelligence, including a 2008 suicide attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul. Some U.S. officials believe such links were evident in the 2011 assault on the U.S. embassy in Kabul but other American officials disagree.

Pakistan vehemently denies such links and points out that thousands of its own soldiers have died battling militants.

U.S. officials assert that Pakistan, riven by tensions between weak elected leaders and a powerful military, has allowed the Haqqani network to fester. Beyond that, U.S. officials say the picture of the relationship between the ISI and Haqqani militants becomes more murky.

"The longer this case goes on, it is impossible to say that there is not a large degree of (Pakistani government) complicity, if not overt assistance, to the Haqqani network," a senior U.S. intelligence source said on condition of anonymity.

Speaking in the September 2011 New York meeting, Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar repeated her government's long-standing denials of institutional support from the ISI for Haqqani militants, Reuters has learned. Show us the evidence of such links, she said, and Pakistan will act on it.

Jalaluddin Haqqani made his name as a revered anti-Soviet commander in the area of southeast Afghanistan known as "Loya Paktia," seen by the Haqqanis as their rightful homeland. The United States and Gulf nations also supported Haqqani indirectly as they funneled money and weapons to the Afghans rebels' fight.

A counterpart to Mullah Omar, the one-eyed Muslim cleric who became the Taliban leader, Haqqani in 1995 joined the Taliban, which went on to rule Afghanistan until being ousted in 2001 in the U.S.-led invasion. Eventually named a minister, he stayed on the margins of Taliban decision-making as it fought to impose a hard-line version of Islam before 2001 and, later, expel foreign troops.

Some experts say the Haqqani group appears to have evolved beyond the goal of controlling its Afghan homeland, embracing more ambitious aspirations closer to those of al Qaeda. That shift has taken place as Sirajuddin, who grew up around foreign militants who flocked to the region, has gained prominence.

For years, the Haqqanis and the Taliban barely registered as a major military threat for most U.S. officials, as the United States under former President George W. Bush sought to limit the degree of U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan to focus on Iraq, which U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003.

Attacks by the Taliban and its allies began to pick up in 2006 and increased sharply in 2008. Over time, attacks by Haqqani insurgents showed increasing military sophistication.

The Haqqani insurgents have been blamed for some of the most daring, complex attacks in Afghanistan, including a 2011 truck bombing in Wardak province, a 2008 attack on a Kabul parade ground where Afghan President Hamid Karzai was present, and major assaults on Kabul's most important hotels.

After the suicide bombing on the Indian embassy, which killed nearly 60 people, U.S. officials said they intercepted telephone calls between militants carrying out the attack and individuals in Pakistan associated with the ISI.

Some intelligence sources say cell phones or testimony collected after the 2011 U.S. embassy attack also point back to individuals in Pakistan linked to the ISI. That assertion is rejected by Pakistan and is disputed by some U.S. officials.

The extent of disagreement within the Obama administration about such links was evident days after Clinton's meeting in New York. Admiral Mike Mullen, speaking to Congress just before he retired as the top U.S. military officer, described the Haqqani network as a "veritable arm" of the ISI.

Mullen, incensed that such attacks continued despite his long effort to court Pakistani Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani, also suggested the ISI supported the group as it launched the U.S. embassy assault and similar high-profile attacks.

The testimony not only triggered heated denials from Pakistan but angered officials in the White House and State Department, who believed the evidence was not so clear.

'WENT TOO FAR'

Reviewing Mullen's testimony in advance, the State Department had urged the Pentagon to delete some of the stronger accusations against Pakistan. It did not do so.

"He went too far," another U.S. official said of the exchange, which has not previously been reported.

Mullen has since stood by what he said. And many in the military cheered his parting shot.

"They're killing our people," a third U.S. official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity. "They're able to do that to some degree because they're allowed to have safe havens ... and in some cases given tacit support."

The debate over the Haqqani network also manifests itself in tensions between the State Department, Congress and the Pentagon over whether it should be officially listed as a "terrorist" group by the United States.

The State Department, leading a push for a peace deal between the Afghan government and the Taliban, has resisted pressure to list the group. U.S. diplomats appear to be hoping the Haqqanis can be part of a deal - if one is possible.

Last summer, U.S. negotiators met with Ibrahim Haqqani, Jalaluddin's brother, in an encounter brokered by Pakistan. Such contacts could make a terrorist listing awkward.

The United States has pressed Pakistan to mount a military offensive targeting the network. Pakistani officials have expressed uncertainty about how well their forces would fare against a group entrenched and well-armed in North Waziristan.

Robert Grenier, a former senior U.S. intelligence official who was CIA station chief in Pakistan until 2002, said the Haqqanis could create major problems for Pakistan's government.

"It's not just a client-master relationship," Grenier said.

Clinton, during an October 2011 visit to Islamabad, said Pakistan's own security was at risk. "You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbors," she said. "Eventually, those snakes are going to turn.

The United States also has sought to use millions of dollars in civilian and military aid to Pakistan as leverage, to little avail. That leverage might disappear if Congress follows through with moves to cut aid, the latest in a series of bilateral crises including the killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers last November in a U.S. air attack along the Afghan border.

The United States has continued a campaign of drone strikes in North Waziristan that has accelerated in recent weeks. It also has taken steps to target the group's financing.

While U.S. military commanders have expressed concern about a simmering threat in areas of eastern Afghanistan that are home to Haqqani militants, there are no current plans to shift the bulk of remaining foreign troops there. That means much of the fight would fall to the inexperienced Afghan army in those areas.

U.S. officials should keep in mind that Pakistan is already looking past the departure of most U.S. troops, said Jonah Blank, a foreign policy expert at the RAND Corp. research group.

"We are asking them to turn against an outfit they consider a valuable asset - and make an enemy out of a group that will be in the region forever," Blank said.
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What's up with the pukis? Surely this cannot be in response to Agni V.

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Is this in response to the drone blitz? Some sort of H&D saving formula?
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May be some agreement on Siachen coming up with Pakis signing some AGPL type document??
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Aditya_V wrote:May be some agreement on Siachen coming up with Pakis signing some AGPL type document??
I will stick my neck out to say that the PA will never do that. It is still working on Op. Topaz.
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pankajs wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Pakistan/24-killed-in-attack-on-Pakistan-check-post/Article1-866152.aspxThe attack occurred in the wee hours when an unknown number of militants stormed an army check-post in Salala area of Mohmand Agency
It looked eerily similar to the last one, Salala, check-post, 24, wee hours. . . So, the PA are attacked by both the kafir and the pious. Then, who is this PA ?
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has the total distance traveled by these pukes missiles added to 5000 kms? May be, that is what the pakees are looking at....
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Anujan wrote:I know for a fact that the establishment regularly "leaks" such information to scare the uppity abduls and keep them in line. Many people's families have received such "leaks"
Agreed, but this seems to be a bit different. Najam Sethi said in his show yesterday that there's word of a 'tactically brilliant' plan by the TSPA establishment to launch a series of assassinations of key figures in order to create circumstances for a 'national government' or a soft coup and get rid of Zardari/PPP as well as cancel new elections.

I also heard from a TSP source that Zardari was thwarted by TSPA when he tried to make his toady Rehman Malik the Foreign Minister. This was also why Malik was targeted by the Supreme Court. Apparently Zardari wanted to circumvent the abduls in TSP Foreign Ministry after being given a bitch slapping in Chicago.

My thinking is that if there's an assassination campaign in TSP, what is the likelihood that TSPA/LeT do not do anything in India? Virtually nil!
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The final blow to paki-HS&D (Honor Sovirginity and Dignity): US terminates funding for Sesame Street
The US Embassy in Pakistan says it terminated funding for a $20 million project to develop a local version of Sesame Street amid reports of corruption.
The Pakistan Today newspaper reported the cause was financial irregularities at Rafi Peer, citing unnamed sources close to the project.
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Rehman Malik reinstated as advisor to PM on interior affairs
ISLAMABAD: A day after the Supreme Court’s decision to suspend Rehman Malik’s senate membership, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani issued directives to the cabinet division to reinstate him as advisor to the prime minister on interior affairs, Express News reported.
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anupmisra wrote:The final blow to paki-HS&D (Honor Sovirginity and Dignity): US terminates funding for Sesame Street
The US Embassy in Pakistan says it terminated funding for a $20 million project to develop a local version of Sesame Street amid reports of corruption.
The Pakistan Today newspaper reported the cause was financial irregularities at Rafi Peer, citing unnamed sources close to the project.
I am also sure that the project made little impact on Pakistani children.
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rohitvats wrote:has the total distance traveled by these pukes missiles added to 5000 kms? May be, that is what the pakees are looking at....
I think they are clearing out stock for new imports from China.
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Gus wrote:
rohitvats wrote:has the total distance traveled by these pukes missiles added to 5000 kms? May be, that is what the pakees are looking at....
I think they are clearing out stock for new imports from China.
Or it is a pressure tactic indirectly applied by the Chinese who are promising 2:1 replacement for all "test-fired" hand me downs.
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Pakistan summons US diplomat to protest over drone attacks
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Tuesday summoned a senior US diplomat and lodged a protest over drone attacks on its northwestern tribal areas which it branded “unlawful”, the foreign ministry said.

Richard Hoagland, the US charge d’affaires, was called to the foreign ministry and was “officially conveyed the government’s serious concern regarding drone strikes in Pakistani territory”, the ministry said in a statement.

Hoagland was informed that the drone strikes were “unlawful, against international law and a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty”, the statement said.

Pakistan has repeatedly criticised the drone strikes calling them counter-productive.

“The parliament had emphatically stated that they were unacceptable. Drone strikes represented a clear red-line for Pakistan,” the statement said, following a recent upsurge in the number of attacks.

A senior al Qaeda figure was the target of a US drone strike in Pakistan’s tribal belt, reports said Tuesday, as officials kept tight-lipped on whether he may have been among the 15 people killed in Monday’s strike.

Abu Yahya al-Libi, described by American officials as al Qaeda’s second in command but by other security experts as one of the top five members of the global terror network, is a Libyan citizen with a $1 million price on his head.
Wonder what prompted this summon?
1. Drone blitz.
2. Al Qaeda target
3. Agreement on the alternate route for NATO pullout.
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At least 740 killed in Karachi in five months: HRCP
KARACHI: Ethnic, sectarian and politically-linked violence in Pakistan’s financial capital Karachi has killed at least 740 people so far this year, a human rights organisation said Tuesday.
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Obama's Pakistan File
Making up with Pakistan is hard to do, all the more so in an American election year, though the Obama administration is going through the motions.

A senior Pentagon official, Peter Lavoy, was dispatched to Islamabad this week to try to break the deadlock over one (of many) disputes. Last November, Pakistan closed NATO's land route into Afghanistan after 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed in a border skirmish with U.S. troops. As repeated efforts to end the blockade failed, the alliance has been forced to use alternative, far more expensive, supply corridors.

Mr. Lavoy, a South Asia hand, is expected to gloss over the deeper problems in the relationship and focus on working out financial terms of a new transit agreement. Even this has been highly contentious. Pakistan has proposed to raise by a multiple of fortysomething the fee for letting NATO trucks move from the port of Karachi over the Hindu Kush. "We're not about to get gouged in the price," bristled Defense Secretary Leon Panetta the other day. The comment stung the Pakistanis.

Money alone may not settle this matter. Pakistan's powerful military and weak civilian government have publicly dug their heels in by insisting on an apology from the U.S. for the November incident. The administration had agreed that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a popular figure in Pakistan, would offer an expression of remorse in April to resolve the impasse.

The White House pulled the plug after the Haqqani network, an Afghan insurgent force based in Pakistan, attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets in Kabul on April 16. The Pakistani military helps arm and fund the Haqqanis, so the optics were bad. The apology remains off the table, where it belongs. I'm told that the White House doesn't want to expose President Obama, who has taken political flak for other apologias to foreigners, to charges of weakness from the Romney campaign. The Pentagon's own investigation found U.S. didn't do anything wrong; any "we're sorry" would go down badly with the troops.

The decision to shut the transport route was taken by the Pakistani military chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, and backed by President Asif Ali Zardari. It played well at home. Pakistani officials say the two leaders thought it would give them leverage over the U.S., but the general has misjudged the changed American mood on Pakistan.

Coming after the discovery of Osama bin Laden in a Pakistani military garrison town last May, the closure was seen here as another hostile act. The question in Washington is no longer whether Pakistan is our ally but whether the country is our enemy. Pressure to cut aid for Pakistan is growing in Congress. Looking for other transit options, NATO on Monday reached a deal with Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan to open a northern land route.

President Obama has no political reason to be conciliatory, and that also may not be a bad thing. Ignoring repeated entreaties from Islamabad to stop drone strikes, the U.S. carried out attacks on terrorist targets in Pakistan's tribal belt on three consecutive days through Monday, just ahead of the Lavoy visit. The target was al Qaeda's deputy chief, Abu Yahya al-Libi, who according to some unconfirmed reports was killed in the strike.
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How many Al Libbis are there?
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US wants India to play ‘more active role’ in Afghanistan
Panetta Prosposing Poke The Poaq Play
NEW DELHI: US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta encouraged India to play a “more active role” in Afghanistan during talks Tuesday in New Delhi, US officials said.Washington has previously worried about India antagonising its arch-foe Pakistan and preferred New Delhi retain a modest profile in the Afghan conflict, restricted to troop training and infrastructure development.But officials briefing reporters before Panetta arrived on a two-day visit to New Delhi said US policy has evolved as the Nato-led force prepares to withdraw combat troops by the end of 2014.
Over the last 10 years, for a variety of reasons, India has not played a particularly active role in Afghanistan,” a senior defence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told reporters aboard Panetta’s lane.“We welcome India playing a more active role in Afghanistan, a more active political and economic role,” the official said, adding that the US hoped India would expand its training of Afghan security forces.India has “trained army and police before but on a relatively small scale.”Panetta discussed the issue, as well as a new US strategic tilt towards Asia and expanding military ties, when he met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon on Tuesday, officials said.“In both meetings, Secretary Panetta discussed the US rebalance to the Asia-Pacific region and the importance the United States places on India,” his spokesman George Little said in a statement.In October, India and Afghanistan signed a “strategic partnership” deal aiming at deepening their security and economic links, with Afghan President Hamid Karzai also keen to elevate India’s involvement.New Delhi, fearful of the return of an Islamist regime in Kabul, has ploughed about $2.0 billion of aid into the country to gain influence, but is extremely wary of over-stepping.
The US official acknowledged the hostility and distrust between India and Pakistan, but said both countries had a common interest in seeing peace take root in Afghanistan
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