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Suppiah wrote:

Nandu wrote:Welcome back, Major!

http://goatdroppingsofwisdom.wordpress. ... blasphemy/

Sorry for being noob but who is this major?

“Will Pakistan send any victim of a drone strike to the U.K. as well,” said a tweet from one of the naysayers.

Fewer Muslim leaders visited Pakistan since ’08

From the Newspaper | Khawar Ghumman | 1 day ago

ISLAMABAD, Oct 14: Let alone leaders of the western world, leadership of the Muslim countries has also largely stayed away from Pakistan since the PPP-led government took over in 2008.

On the contrary, several Muslim countries have been visited by President Asif Ali Zardari as the head of state and former prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani as the head of government during the last four years.

Although the Foreign Office painted a rosy picture of the country’s trustworthy and ever-lasting brotherly relations with the Muslim world, details it placed before the National Assembly recently indicated that Pakistan throughout this period had failed to attract the leaders of Muslim countries. ....................

ramana wrote:Suppiah, GOi did not ever want sind + Pakjab. Please try to read my ppt on TSP in slideshare.net

I linked it in new way of looking thread and this very thread.

Cosmo_R wrote:@RamaY^^^ re Asra Nomani. You may be a bit harsh on her. She's never going to be a BRFite. However, to the extent she succeeds in empowering women, she is a very useful tool against the fulminating mullahs.

Suppiah wrote:TTP takes away head of slain uniformed jihadis..

“We have also taken away two night vision goggles, 15 Kalashnikovs, two rocket launchers, three mobile jammers, 30 rounds of magazines and three heavy machine guns from the check post,” said Ehsan..

ramana wrote:Any way why are we giving publicity to crazy Pakis?

Nandu that was for you.

KrishnaK wrote:So this major sounds/writes very much like a brf pinglish.

Jhujar wrote:Kargil revisited — Imran Kureshi
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_6

AThat it was a debacle/fiasco might be correct, but politically, we certainly aided it to be a fiasco. The fact is that tactically it was a brilliant plan; but unfortunately, not a far-sighted one (that was why the former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is reported to have opposed it). The plan was that when the Indian forces left their Kargil positions for the winter, our Northern Light Infantry (NLI) would march in and occupy these, similar in action to what India did to us in Siachen. The pickets or bunkers in Kargil are so unassailable that India would have to admit defeat and we would bring India to the bargaining table. Indeed, when the NLI marched into these pickets without any resistance they found them well stocked with not only ammunition but also food. The bunkers were so well constructed with concrete and steel on strategic heights they were practically unassailable, especially when the steep slopes around them were mined. What was to be gained? There’s the rub. Of course, India refused to concede defeat or come to the bargaining table. The BJP government had to face elections. It launched an exaggerated propaganda campaign and refused even to acknowledge the defeats and frustration they were facing in their suicidal and ill-organised counteriattack. Thus the best we could hope for was to end up in something like the Siachen situation (but with more strategic territory), where nobody gains anything.

There were unofficial attempts to end the fighting, amongst which was the visit of a noted Indian journalist R K Mishra, and a respected diplomat, Vivek Katju to Islamabad. That was followed by a visit to New Delhi by Pakistan’s former foreign secretary; and then there was a proposal by the US that we endorsed, to send our foreign minister to Delhi (that eventually did not happen). Government also did its best to do crisis management to salvage the peace talks. These overtures sent an apologetic image to both outsiders and our own nation, showing that we too were against this operation. This attitude is the beginning of ensuring this incident to be a debacle.

Now regarding the question of ‘defeat’, the operation was tactically a resounding success. Operation Vijay launched by India was described mainly as a mopping up operation to dislodge the intruders; India lost 600 brave souls and 1,800 wounded. Our losses were 400 gallant jawans who lost their lives, which probably included many wounded who could not receive proper aid up there. Out of 134 pickets taken by the NLI, the Indian army could only vacate 14. The rest were still strongly held by the NLI when we withdrew (with ample ammunition and supplies, courtesy the Indian army). Regarding the famous victory of Tiger Hill by India, Mr Brian Cloughley in A History of the Pakistan Army writes that it was a very costly victory. It seems that we fell for the Indian propaganda as much as the Indians did. It was only a matter of time before the Indian public would have started feeling discontent about the number of casualties being sent home. And the biggest canard is people who claim we left our soldiers to be slaughtered after we sent the signal to withdraw. This is pure and utter rubbish. The withdrawal was organised and executed properly, with India breathing a sigh of relief. Those for what they are worth are the facts of Kargil:

The situation is infinitely compounded by the complex nexus between Islamist terrorists – principally the TTP, LeJ and Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) – religious organisations, politicians, and the military and its various covert agencies

The widespread outrage over the Malala Yusufzai incident is not, however, a credible index of any change in the civil-military strategy in dealing with Islamist extremism and terrorism in Pakistan

However, SIC had lent support to Punjab Governor Salman Taseer’s assassin in 2011

A lot of pakis love our BENIS, so that's no surprise.

shiv wrote:

ramana wrote:Any way why are we giving publicity to crazy Pakis?

Nandu that was for you.

Interesting pisko question here.

We seem to support people who seem normal to us and think like us about Pakistanis.

But such thoughts only strengthen the hands of extremists in Pakistan. In fact we should support the unity and integrity of Pakistan under its founding principles - Islam. The Taliban are doing yeoman service to Islam and Pakistan. Having driven one Godless superpower away they are now driving the other back to it hole and they are purifying Pakistan. Rather than supporting anti-Pakistani causes like this major and Lallamamala or whatever it is that girl is called we should break the back of extremists by supporting a unified Islamic Pakistan as promoted by the Taliban.

archan wrote:A lot of pakis love our BENIS, so that's no surprise.

ramana wrote: Pak has only C&C in its future: Collapse or Caliphate.

Suppiah wrote:

ramana wrote: Pak has only C&C in its future: Collapse or Caliphate.

Why not both? Collapse in western frontier, caliphate in eastern parts of rump TSP...only hopefully after being denooked..

Also, HPCL feels Pakistan is demanding impractically low prices

Mullah Yahya says his biggest complaint against the press these days is that when the Americans or Kabul government forces claim to have killed scores of Taliban fighters in battle, the story makes headlines, whereas if the Taliban say they’ve inflicted similar numbers of casualties, no one seems to believe them. Jihad Yar agrees: “Pakistani and Western media never accept our claims of success,” he says. “They only report whatever they’ve been told by the Pakistani Army and [Pakistani Interior Minister] Rehman Malik. “

The interior minister is only one among a vast number of people Jihad Yar regards as the Taliban’s enemies. They include Americans and secular Pakistanis and “Jewish-funded international TV and newspapers,” predictably enough, of course, along with various other members of the media, including “Pakistan’s Shia TV channels,” which “have been against the Taliban from day one” and a long list of female journalists: “They were at the U.S. Embassy party with wine glasses in their hands and wearing un-Islamic dress with Americans.”

Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar will head a high-level delegation of ministers and officials to Pakistan next month to tell the "turnaround" story of the state there.

The delegation will be on a week-long visit to the neighbouring country from November 9-16 at the invitation of some provincial Chief Ministers there, officials in CM's office told PTI today.

He is scheduled to visit Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad and will return by road through the Wagah border, they said.

UNKNOWN gunmen have killed a polio vaccinator in Pakistan's restive southwestern province of Baluchistan, highlighting resistance to the country's immunisation campaign, officials say.

Suppiah wrote:

ramana wrote: Pak has only C&C in its future: Collapse or Caliphate.

We need to change the lens through which we view Pakistan from one of conflict to one of compassion.

Growing up in Pakistan, I never imagined, even in my wildest dreams, that there would be a time when girls would get shot for going to school. Welcome to the Pakistan that has been hijacked by organized criminals, the Taliban. They call themselves promoters of Islam. But they know nothing about Islam. If they were really familiar with this belief system, they would remember that the first word of revelation in the Quran is "Iqra" (read), and would therefore refrain from bombing girls’ schools.

Pakistanis are exhausted with the barbarism in one form or other that continues to escalate in every passing moment. Youth like Mallala are getting globally isolated every day. Their dreams and actions contribute to a pressure cooker of hope, but they have nowhere to go.

We need to keep our attention fixed on the women and children of Pakistan. They don't need special envoys, drones, or even foreign aid. What they need is for ordinary citizens of the world to see them through a new lens. What Pakistanis need is compassion. Ordinary citizens of the world have to make Malala and others feel their sympathy for them.

They can do this through reaching out via social media to keep the conversation going, which will help keep girls like Malala on the map, and revered and honored by the Pakistani government and civil society. Positive messages of hope and love really do help. This kind of support, constantly streaming through the social media world, should ideally be an ongoing effort and not stop with the news cycle.

e Pakistan feels the world's support and sympathy, Malala and her peers could become even more emboldened to exert themselves and push for reform, instead of spending their time dodging the bullets of angry men.

Brad Goodman wrote:Compassion for Pakistan

Brad Goodman wrote:something is seriously wrong with Nitish. Why are bihari CM visiting paki land? Laloo when he was CM and now this guy

Nitish to lead Bihar delegation to Pakistan in Nov

Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar will head a high-level delegation of ministers and officials to Pakistan next month to tell the "turnaround" story of the state there.

The delegation will be on a week-long visit to the neighbouring country from November 9-16 at the invitation of some provincial Chief Ministers there, officials in CM's office told PTI today.

He is scheduled to visit Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad and will return by road through the Wagah border, they said.