Understanding the United States of America (USA) - IV

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Nov 2016 10:42

A Message from President-Elect Donald J. Trump

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 22 Nov 2016 10:46

no pressers, but youtube, eh?

Looks like he is going Shree Modi's way of speaking directly to the people.

The MSMs of both countries shot their bolts by being too political and is now whining endlessly.
Whipping up narratives of hardship, intolerance etc to spine up their vapid stories about those they politically despise.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Nov 2016 10:47

TRUMP is RIGHT on US DEBT

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 22 Nov 2016 10:50

Trade and investment could potentially become a bone of contention between the two countries. Trump is quite likely to pressure India for more market access, particularly as it relates to defense trade, while also implementing protectionist measures at home that will likely antagonize India. These protectionist measure could impact the Indian outsourcing industry by making it harder for U.S. companies to move or maintain service functions overseas, while also constraining the ability of U.S. and Indian companies to bring skilled foreign labor into the United States.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/11/what-doe ... for-india/

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 22 Nov 2016 10:59

Austin wrote:TRUMP is RIGHT on US DEBT

The doughllar is going to Collapse, either way ?!!

And his tax proposal sounds a lot like Modiji advisers' tax regime proposal as well, abolish income tax, for e.g.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Nov 2016 11:11

I somehow feel the world has delayed WWIII right now, what I have seen over the last 8 years is, American and European Elite seem to have a very good lifestyle and tied to Saudi, Chinese, Paki and even Indian elite.
Saudis and Chinese see themselves as the world's next Superpower and are getting into conflict, but they know its too early to get into a direct confrontation with USA and while they are doing pinprickes on Europe, USA and its Allies. Hence, they pushed for USA+ plus Europe vs Russia, this would keep the the populations distracted and into costly /avoidable conflicts while they sneaked in. They had heavily funded HRC campaign and MSM along with European elites. Hence, Zero condemnation of the activities of Saudis, Pakis, NKorea, Chinese etc while Russia was being provoked in Ukraine to the Baltic. At the same time these Elite are very anti Hindu and want a post Hindu world for some reason. So they keep pushing the Islamic agenda while protecting China and not sabotaging it.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Nov 2016 11:34

Dipanker wrote:
Kashi wrote:
This is not about agreeing or disagreeing with your opinions. I only pointed out (with examples) that having an Indian ancestry by no means guarantees "at least some soft corner for India".
True, but it also does not preclude the chances of having a soft corner for India. Therefore any such assumption can be entirely wrong, but it could be right too.

I don't there is any co-relation between Indian ancestry and soft corner for India.

Which India it is? The land that is India? The culture and people and heritage? which culture and which people and what heritage?

I have seen all types. One ex colleague had migrated out in 60s to Pak and had 'soft corner' but only for the things he misses and the difficulties he faces because of green passport. Bit of a hizbul tahrir type. One karachiite I know is a mini Tarek Fatah. Both have "soft corner" for India..but which India?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Nov 2016 11:41

WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks 2h2 hours ago

Video: US demands to assassinate Assange

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Nov 2016 11:42

WikiLeaks Verified account
‏@wikileaks

This is a victory for our sources who spent a great deal of effort exposing the #TPP over the last three years https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=tpp|%22

Trump says will quit Pacific trade deal on day one of presidency http://reut.rs/2fjKGKm

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/800917759555158017

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Nov 2016 12:47

Austin wrote:WikiLeaks Verified account
‏@wikileaks

This is a victory for our sources who spent a great deal of effort exposing the #TPP over the last three years https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=tpp|%22

Trump says will quit Pacific trade deal on day one of presidency http://reut.rs/2fjKGKm
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/800917759555158017

APEC was created to reduce Japan's strength in trade and exports in 1989. All other nations are allowed except India to APEC
APEC was another way to get China inside global trade and supply chain. Before the other countries knew they made China as the manufacturing hub.
There is a sinister move to get China into the global trading system after cold war. All the APEC countries have invested in China.
Thailand has Indian ocean part and it is a APEC member.

India has requested membership in APEC, and received initial support from the United States, Japan,[6] Australia and Papua New Guinea.[7] Officials have decided not to allow India to join for various reasons.India does not border the Pacific Ocean, which all current members do.[8] However, India was invited to be an observer for the first time in November 2011.[9]

TPP is another trade agreement to exclude China. This is going to falter since it benefits only the past trading partners.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) without China or Russia involved has become the US-promoted trade negotiation in the region.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership includes 12 of the 21 APEC members and has provisions for the accession of other APEC members, five of which have expressed interest in membership. This is another plan to exclude to get advantage for the major trading countries

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Nov 2016 12:51

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-tru ... ing-squad/

What does Presstitutes of US expected after mocking, insulting and even trying to stop him for almost one and half year?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Nov 2016 13:20

the alt-left needs to go back to their classrooms and get on with normal life , earning a living etc.

same goes for a few members here pining for HC Raj. she lost, she aint coming back, she is not the 2020 candidate of the Dems surely, someone much younger and less tainted this time.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Nov 2016 13:56

in UK, Indians (and not Pakistanis) have made a socio economic and political shift from the Labour party to the Conservative party. over the past few years, labour strategists identified the economically poor Pakistani ancestry northern Englanders as their key swing vote, and the conservatives identified Hindu and Sikh upwardly mobile southern Englanders as their key targets in Labour heavy London and SE districts.

Conservatives started grooming young Indian ancestry candidates who will gradually start to rise up the system now, whereas Labour still attracts the fiery left wingers. And the rest are sheep.

However, right now in the UK the conservative right wing (strongly Eurosceptic) have come into the ascendancy with the demise of Cameron. This group are not too keen on darkies, so the work done in the past few years to move the Conservatives towards a more pro-India stance has likely had a set back. The Tory right believe that all Britain has to do is to rock up to India and drink tea and play cricket and the damn natives will only be too glad to say mai-baap and open their wallets to buy wool and biscuits. Theresa May did more or less that last week in India, although she moderated it a little bit.

Labour have gone to the Marxist fringe, and here there are automatic pro-Palestinian sympathies - which the jehadis have been quick to hijack to their agenda... and this will be a slow motion train wreck over the next few years until Blair makes a failed comeback and David Milliband finally comes out of retirement to rebuild a centre-left party out of the ashes. But that is a long way off.

The hard right Tories also assume that America owes them a special relationship... ofcourse with el naranjito that can mean all manner of things, but if trump follows through with a more isolationist agenda then poodledom is on its own, and now its jumped out of the Eurobed as well. So one plausible outcome here is that al-bartania finally slips under the waves, or fear of tsar putonovich sets of bigger dhoti shivers.

as a centrist mainstream voter now in the UK - choices are limited - to the left or to the right. there is no party that represents the majority. given the state of the united states, I think the centre will look towards angela merkel for leadership until the waters are less choppy. This is may be an opportunity for India, but I fear that India will be a side-show whilst the west/Russia and china figure out the new balancing point.

politically, I think the US desi diaspora will go through a similar journey over the next few years - neither main party may be representing your interests any longer

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Nov 2016 14:07

rumours of tony blair staging a comeback ?

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 22 Nov 2016 14:09

Yagnasri wrote:http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-tru ... ing-squad/

What does Presstitutes of US expected after mocking, insulting and even trying to stop him for almost one and half year?

Network Of Liars, i.e: NOL !
Used to be a Singapore shipping company, which has since gone bust !

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Nov 2016 14:10

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -the-press

One more take on the same meeting I posted before.

Personally, I do not think any white in the UK can think that browns are his or her equal. The reason is their past colonial legacy which they all think is a great one and they did some great things and helped non-whites by giving them the "civilisation". I seriously doubt any brit even know how Churchill murders some 6 million Indians by artificially creating a famine. When your ancestors were lorded over someone else ancestors, then it is tough to think them as your equal. Particularly when they are still poor and dirty to your eyes.

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 22 Nov 2016 14:17

^^^^^The Grand Equalizer - money.
Works All the time.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Nov 2016 14:28

Singha wrote:rumours of tony blair staging a comeback ?

no rumour
Tony Blair aims to fight resurgent populism with centre-ground campaign

The former prime minister has set up a new organisation due to be launched in the new year. It is not intended to act as an anti-Brexit campaign and will not focus solely on Britain. Instead, it will look at the global forces that have led to Brexit and how the centre left has weakened as a political force.

Blair’s concern is as much to galvanise what he considers a voiceless centre ground so that it can recover the traction it has lost in recent years to a resurgent populist politics. Details have yet to be finalised, but the main focus will be hard policy answers to issues such as stagnating wages, immigration, anti-elitism and attitudes to globalisation.

Critics claim that Blair personifies the global elite and a political class that has lost the trust of the electorate, and would therefore be a gift to the Brexit cause.

added later:

Blair messed up the Iraq war big time - and that was out of a misguided belief that dubya and the neocons would stand by him if he stood by them. little realising that US presidents pay less attention to the 'special relationship' than UK pm's; however - Blair when he first came to power did have the intellectual leadership to craft a new centre-left movement - that his party hated, but he delivered on a progressive agenda that actually achieved a lot. it lost its way with other left issues - mostly political correctness (domestically) and EU expansion and Iraq (externally)

personally I think the centre needs people of Blair's intellectual standing to rethink the model - I do not think he should come back to power, but certainly the centre and centre left have lost their intellectual leadership and need someone to step in and start the ball moving. I would argue that the same applies for the centre-right

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Nov 2016 15:18

foreign students who organized some 2.5cr for UG and 40-80L for MS must be really scared now about the fate of the opt, h1 and gc pipeline.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Nov 2016 17:23

and just for a little humour on 'the special relationship'

The 5 times Nigel Farage and Donald Trump's bromance made everyone want to throw up

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Nov 2016 17:43

Lalmohan wrote:and just for a little humour on 'the special relationship'

The 5 times Nigel Farage and Donald Trump's bromance made everyone want to throw up

Donald Trump, the President-Elect of the United States, wants Nigel Farage to be the UK ambassador. That’s right. He wants the nation of Winston Churchill, William Gladstone and Adam Smith to be represented by the modern incarnation of Mr Toad.

Look at this bitch Julia Rampen she refers to winston churchill the genocider of 6 million bengalis as someone great....

How these poisonous brishiters have turned our people against our heritage as suppressers of women & lower castes, but keep their own citizens totally convinced that their own forefathers were the most compassionate beings.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 22 Nov 2016 17:58

I think the ones who will be affected the most by visa abuse outcome will be workers from Indian IT Engineering Cos. Folks, who are in US via MS route (perhaps not all of them) and/or working for reputed US majors may actually benefit. DT has said that these folks are needed for US tech industry. Of course, this is what Obama & Bush Jr. also said and not much has been done to clear GC backlogs or increase H1B quota for MS students.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Nov 2016 18:05

well i suppose it is good that our good folks at breitbart thinks turmp is the second coming of churchill

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/ ... -combined/

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... -together/

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Nov 2016 18:12

I know Tulsi Gabbard is quite young at 35, but it may still be possible that Trump would make her Secretary of State.

For Trump, I think it is important to show to the Democrats that he cannot only defeat them at the elections but also invade their territory and steal one of their brightest stars. Trump would want to show off his trophy and thus would want to hang that Trophy somewhere where everybody can see it, at the most prominent place possible, at the State Department. He also needs a stamp from a well-known face of Progressives for his upcoming policies. Tulsi at the State Dept can give all that to him.

To the people of the world, an Aloha Tulsi does not sound that alarming. Liberal Media all over the world has painted Trump as a demon. He needs a softer face to calm those fears, even if they are unfounded. Tulsi can help. More than that Tulsi's thinking on Foreign Policy is aligned with that of Trump. Her tenure in US Military gives her weight. I personally think there is a good chance we could see Tulsi as Secretary of State. That would make it somewhat difficult for the Liberals to continue their attack on him non-stop. Many of the voters, who were simply turned-off by Trump due to the media attacks would be more willing to give Trump a chance and take him seriously. Tulsi has much to offer!

At 35, Tulsi Gabbard would be the youngest Secretary of State.

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Nov 2016 21:10

It shows a premature Clinton celebration on election night. Bill is clearly somewhat afraid of Hillary and is very standoffish with her in terms of physical contact.

More importantly at the end of the video the narrator says that apparently:

– 5 US states were rigged by Hitlery’s camp. That this electronic hacking of the voting machines was coming directly from CIA HQ. ?((('Daddy Bush calls up CIA and that is when counting abruptly stops'. )))

During election night there was a period in the night when new results weren’t being announced. Apparently “Daddy Bush” sent an order to the CIA to rig the elections, and the counting stopped. The “good guys” were monitoring this and found it the hack was coming from CIA HQ in Virginia.

The CIA then proceeded to do this.

Then the “good guys” threatened the CIA and said “if you don’t stop, we will drop a bomb on you, we have planes in the air”.

– Then he says that apparently the “good guys” whoever they are phoned the CIA and told them to stop, to “disconnect” from these machines otherwise the “good guys” would drop bombs on them from the air. (code for exposing them, outing them in public)

from these I infer that there are “patriots” within the US security establishment who amongst other things probably released those leaks about Hitlery and her corruption.

It’s quite possible a lot of/ the majority of the US army supported Trump, and Russian secret services probably knew what was goin to. It might be stretching it to say they might have even advised the pro-Trump faction of the US establishment to threaten to bomb? the CIA, but I wouldn’t discount some sort of Russian advice, “consultation” on all this. Especially considering madwoman Hitlery could have pulled the world to WW3.

If this is all true, we saw what can arguably be said to be a de facto military coup against the Democrat party regime of Obama and chosen successor Clinton.

Or alternatively we can say that rather than a coup against a president and his chosen successor, it was a mini-civil war between the bulk of the US military and the CIA (presumably neo-con fanatics).

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Nov 2016 21:15

Rammpal wrote:
Austin wrote:TRUMP is RIGHT on US DEBT

The doughllar is going to Collapse, either way ?!!
And his tax proposal sounds a lot like Modiji advisers' tax regime proposal as well, abolish income tax, for e.g.

The US was founded on no income tax. That the gov should be run on sales tax, tax on imports, etc. Small gov, etc.

Trump is attempting to revive that without saying it.

I thought that vid said that too.

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Nov 2016 21:21

REP. TULSI GABBARD —
STATEMENT ON MEETING WITH PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP
November 21, 2016

New York, NY—U.S. Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (HI-02) today released the following statement on her meeting with President-elect Donald Trump regarding Syria:
“President-elect Trump asked me to meet with him about our current policies regarding Syria, our fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, as well as other foreign policy challenges we face. I felt it important to take the opportunity to meet with the President-elect now before the drumbeats of war that neocons have been beating drag us into an escalation of the war to overthrow the Syrian government—a war which has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives and forced millions of refugees to flee their homes in search of safety for themselves and their families.
“While the rules of political expediency would say I should have refused to meet with President-elect Trump, I never have and never will play politics with American and Syrian lives.
“… I will continue to seek common ground to deliver results that best serve all Americans, as I have tried to do during my time in Congress…
“President-elect Trump and I had a frank and positive conversation in which we discussed a variety of foreign policy issues in depth. I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country, and the world. It would lead to more death and suffering, exacerbate the refugee crisis, strengthen ISIS and al-Qaeda, and bring us into a direct conflict with Russia which could result in a nuclear war. We discussed my bill to end our country’s illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government, and the need to focus our precious resources on rebuilding our own country, and on defeating al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other terrorist groups who pose a threat to the American people…”

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Nov 2016 21:36

Singha wrote:foreign students who organized some 2.5cr for UG and 40-80L for MS must be really scared now about the fate of the opt, h1 and gc pipeline.

I assume it will go back to old days, when only selected few get GC, etc. The dia of the pipeline will certainly reduce.

I think this is good for both the US and India. I would expect, in concert with Modi's current efforts, India should be a lot more productive.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Nov 2016 21:45

This guy is something else. Wash Post:

President-elect Donald Trump has decided that his administration will not pursue criminal investigations related to former rival Hillary Clinton’s private email server or her family foundation, his campaign manager said.
Trump’s apparent decision, conveyed by campaign manager Kellyanne Conway in an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,’’ would be an extraordinary break with political and legal protocol, which holds that the attorney general and FBI make decisions on whether to conduct investigations and file charges, free of pressure from the president.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Nov 2016 21:56

That video billC seems to suffering a od of adhd meds and too animated. Maybe they were just hungry and happy the pizza hut guy rang the bell with coke and pizza

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Nov 2016 22:03

NRao wrote:I assume it will go back to old days, when only selected few get GC, etc. The dia of the pipeline will certainly reduce.

I think this is good for both the US and India. I would expect, in concert with Modi's current efforts, India should be a lot more productive.

I don't xpect student admission to get affected at all....its a huge dollar inflow into American economy and there is no reason for Trump to go slow on that side. H1s linked to student admissions also I don't expect to get affected based on Trump's specific remarks that he wants talented immigrants to stay on in the US.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 22 Nov 2016 22:08

Trump will force China to appreciate their currency which will make the goods expensive and thus local manufacturing (at least in some industries) will start.

With getting towards White Money, India is already on the path to appreciate Rupee even after appreciating Indian Rupee many manufacturing goods will be cheaper in India and will move over to India from china.

The real question is will the Panda appreciate or not!!!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Nov 2016 22:09

Singha wrote:foreign students who organized some 2.5cr for UG and 40-80L for MS must be really scared now about the fate of the opt, h1 and gc pipeline.

It is not going to be drastic. Higher education and skilled workers will be streamlined.
They are after bigger companies.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 22 Nov 2016 22:13

The body shoppers will be screwed from what I hear. They opened up H1B for massan companies and the desi consultancies snatched up most of it,

.

Everyone tries to game the system, and protect their interests.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Nov 2016 22:15

Also, if Trump takes steps against Indian IT services industry on the visa side, India should retaliate against US bank licenses or other US-based service industries wanting to enter India.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Nov 2016 22:16

CNN body language (and what passes for their logic) tells a whole lot.

Vinasa kaale vipareeta buddhi

Meanwhile, DT is walking into New York Times HQ, first for a closed meeting with the publisher and execs then with an "on the record" meeting with the papparazzi.

UBCN is projecting that the first meeting is for Trump Inc to complete their purchase of the NYT. The second will then be a very interesting GUBO session. Several may get killed in the stampede to kiss the trumpass.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 22 Nov 2016 22:19

IT visa situation is not very simple. They may go tough on consulting guys but the enforcement (CBP,USCIS,DHS) will be rough and may even impact highly skilled folks really deserving the visa they are on.

The folks in visas are in for a very rough ride. Lets not fool ourselves here.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Nov 2016 22:27

Arjun wrote:Also, if Trump takes steps against Indian IT services industry on the visa side, India should retaliate against US bank licenses or other US-based service industries wanting to enter India.

in that case the US will win. the US is a bigger customer of India than India is of the US. of which Modi has stated is an important goal......

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Nov 2016 22:37

I think it is hilarious that certain Indians are having wet dreams about the failure of US currency or the potential repudiation of the US debt.

as if the collapse of the global trading system will benefit India.

it doesn't connect to these wishful thinkers about which trading partner gives the most favorable trading balance to India.

.........and some of you guys are wishing for the death of it..........snicker

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5330.html

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 22 Nov 2016 22:38

This is how I think visa situation may be implement in the near future.

1. Working in IT Majors (Google, Cisco, Microsoft, Apple etc.): Have MS/MBA/PhD from US univ and is on H1B/OPT: Relatively Safer

2. Working in US based IT/Non-IT Start Ups: With or without Advanced Degree from US plus on H1B/OPT: Relatively Safe.

3. Working in US Offices of Indian IT companies: With or without Advanced Degree from US plus on H1B/OPT: Definitely under scrutiny.

4. Working in Non-IT Engineering Sector (Mech, Pharma): With or without Advanced Degree from US plus on H1B/OPT: Relatively safer

5. Non-STEM fields (Finance etc.): Should not impact as these fields are not controversial as IT.

Clearly the most vulnerable section are folks who don't have US advanced degrees, are on H1B (may or may not be waiting for GC) and working for Desi IT companies.

I think at this point, we need US more then they need us. Will be difficult to do a tit for tat response. Just have to suck it up and find other ways to be competitive.