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UlanBatori wrote:
Dipanker wrote: No need to get personal Birather, we can all have a civilized conversation without getting personal.
Oh, my deepest apologies for hurting your tender sensibilities by pointing out that it is beyond silly to keep harping on counting those who are silly/ rabid enough to stand out in the cold in DC in January to see nothing - as the best indicator of your vast success and popularity. May the force not be with you, it's all the same for me. Thanks.

I thought this said it all:
Dipanker wrote:Calm down? Are you kidding me?!!
600 protest world wide, more than 300 in good ol' USA, absolutely massive crowds!
This is repudiation of Trump, of all those who voted for him, and all those who support him.
:rotfl:
Actually the DC temp. on saturday was 50 deg, that in the month of January is considered heat wave in the North. Spending hours and hours outdoor in such balmy temperature is absolutely a walk in the park!
People living in the deep south may find this concept hard to grasp!

Secondly, I completely disagree with your opinion that those who came out to protest were mostly idiots.
I actually have respect for those who are passionate enough for their cause to actually go out there and protest.

Lastly, you are being silly by using the word silly too many times, the event happened yesterday and the issue was very topical, and will remain topical for sometime.
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Trump is just the first of the global domino of change. Rest are now getting ready

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TSJones wrote:those white women who already have one of the lowest birth rates on the face of the planet aren't feeling oppressed.

they're scared sh*tless of losing their birth control and abortion insurance coverages.

while no insurance (that I know of) pays for convenience abortions, birth control by law is covered.

also, the harder it is to get an abortion, the more it costs,

and the hell of it? most of those women can get a plane ticket to another country to get an abortion and they can afford to get birth control.

therefore despite rethuglican idiocy, those women birt rates will remain 1.5 or lower. regardless,

so what's up?

I'll tell ya what's up.

poor people wefare birth rate.

that's what will be up.

and sociological ills there of......

just absolutely, STUNNINGLY, STUPID, political policy.
As they say, the Meeks shall inherit the earth.
And these meeks are going to be muslims and the poor catholics, and the rest of the poor people.

This is a flaw of capitalism, it imposes a unwritten 2 child policy on relatively well off population, which unfortunately is lower than the replacement rate, and thus all capitalistic societies are doomed to extinction in long term.
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My daughters wanted to fly to D.C. and protest. I told them sure thing dear, but mummy and papa aren't going to pay for it and it's only allowed if you've finished your homework for next week. I also want one of those pussy hats.
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Kelly Ann Conway looks emaciated, like she hasn't eaten or slept for a while. Not surprising if one has to keep facing flak for the WHOTUS motormouths. Spicer seems to have nicely got both his feet all the way into his mouth with his "angry" Press Briefing. The hyenas are howling.
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...The hyenas are howling.
yes they are,

DT's exec orders
1) hiring freeze at executive branch;
2) 5-year lobbying ban on transition and administration officials;
3) Mexico City policy, which prevents foreign NGOs from getting U.S. family planning money if they provide abortions with non-U.S. funds;
4) Task the Defense Secretary with plan to eviscerate ISIS;
5) Report on readiness, and something cyber security related;
6) Border/immigration: sanctuary cities, expand E-Verify, an extreme vetting proposal'
7) Withdraw from TPP and a thorough review of NAFTA (After all the secret chai-biscoot with Asian parters)
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is Trump going to be America's Modi?
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Dipanker wrote:Secondly, I completely disagree with your opinion that those who came out to protest were mostly idiots.
I actually have respect for those who are passionate enough for their cause to actually go out there and protest.
Aah...the "Inquilab Zindabad" "lodte hobe, lodte hobe" attitude !

Look what the people with passion have done to their state and their demographics... Good thing is now we have morons like Kshama Sawant and many many others focused on the US and poised to bring it down to the level of W Bengal.

If America can direct its leftist morons at India eventually like Rudradev is concerned about - so can India manouvre its Indian American socialist parasites to direct their gaze at big-bad Trump so we are all on the same boat.
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Chanakya: He also signed, apparently:
8 ) Policy statement to departments that it is GOTUS policy to go easy on Obamacare regulations (such as penalty for not signing up) and to eventually roll it back. (I wish he hadn't done that - plus his HHS appointee is an idiot in addition to being a stock insider trader). I would be amazed to see elephants coming out with any useful plan to alleviate the medical care ripoff crisis in the US.
9 ) Started the promised moves to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Also not a good move. Nut&Yahoo visiting to share nuttiness.
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In another tweet, Trump said he watched these protests.

"Watched protests yesterday but was under the impression that we just had an election! Why didn't these people vote? " he said.
A good commensensical question. And common sense seems to be a pretty rare commodity these days...
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They're from Canada, Indian commies, etc. The only beings who have not been corrupted by the evil US capitarist Impeliarist Lunning Dogs of Papel Tigels.
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UlanBatori wrote:Chanakya: He also signed, apparently:
9 ) Started the promised moves to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Also not a good move. Nut&Yahoo visiting to share nuttiness.
may i ask Bhy phor ij this bad?
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The one thing BO got right, was to not bend his knees b4 insolent might of u-no-hu.
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Rudradev wrote:....
7) Fast-forward to some point between 18 and 30 months from now.
USCIRF and Human Rights Watch will be leading the charge in Washington, having enlisted Ania Loomba, Toorjo Ghosh, Angana Chatterjee, the Berkeley-Haas foundation, FOIL and FOSA as well-paid Native Informants. Arvind Kejriwal, Kanhaiya Kumar, Teesta Setalvad, John Dayal, Kancha Ilaiah, Rana Ayyub, Rev. Udaykumar, Hurry-rats, Neo-Khalistanis, Daleet Activists, rrNDTV types et al will be running around raising merry hell in India... flush with rejuvenated funding, equipped with brand new toys and techniques, supplied with first-class tickets to go and testify before US Congress every so often. And coordinating these efforts internationally from air-conditioned five-ishtar hotel rooms in Dilli and Mumbai will be the same expert Color-Flower Revolutionaries currently organizing demonstrations against Trump.

And the Trump-supporting BRFites who thought all this was going to go away with Hillary Clinton's defeat will be :(( :oops: :evil: :-? :(

And poor Shalibh Kumar will realize that, in effect, he paid a million bucks to help deliver the heathen masses of darkest India into the bright light of Jeebus's grace.

Mark my words. This is how it will turn out. But enjoy the way things are for now, by all means.
RD ji,
Are you saying that India because of Trump gets a minimum of 1.5 year or a maximum of 2.5 year window when the USCIRF , Human Rights Watch , Berkely-Haas gangs will be under suspended animation because they have been starved of their funds ?

Dont you think that your above prognosis is a paisa vasooli outcome of DT's election ?

Pojitive things as i perceive happening since the window created by the transition to Trump in no order of relavance:
1)Burkha dutt has resigned to her fate & gave-up mainstream journalism when her bumchum (i mean literally) Hillary was kicked off unceremoniously from any future contention in Soothasia .
2)Modi govt nonchalantly screwed Compassion international despite the kicking & wailing of the american establishment.
3)Jallikattu ban was blatantly revoked by the Indian govt even while the usual suspects in media & elsewhere in establishment were bleating helplessly - so much so that the EJs had to do a hamhanded about turn & support Jallikattu (the same cultural festival in the banning of which they put their 10 years worth of political capital) .
4)Trump's renegotiation pitch on Paris climate summit gave India under Modi a window through which it can regain back its since inception held equity based Common But Differentiated Responsibilities(CBDR) position on climate change which was pawned off by Jairam Ramesh using the halo created by local presstitutes led by the likes of The Hindu newspaper .
5)Trumps's aversion to mega trade agreements like TPP , TTIP means that India directly benefits as hitherto India has been categorically shutout of these agreements which could have isolated india totally in international trade . Now Trump is going to emulate India in pursuing bilateral trade deals with other trading nations & impending collapse(or atleast suspended animation) of mega trade pacts like TPP,TTIP greatly improves India's trade situation for the next decade atleast.
6)Trump's downgrade of multilateral treaties like NATO & pursual of bilateral military partnerships means accelerated downgrade of UQ or France as world powers & India is in a better position to displace either to gatecrash the big 5.
7)Immediate aftermath : Russia did a quick piglet barbeque in aleppo . Modi same with the local alCIAda backed hawala operators using DeMo.
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UlanBatori wrote:Chanakya: He also signed, apparently:
8 ) Policy statement to departments that it is GOTUS policy to go easy on Obamacare regulations (such as penalty for not signing up) and to eventually roll it back. (I wish he hadn't done that - plus his HHS appointee is an idiot in addition to being a stock insider trader). I would be amazed to see elephants coming out with any useful plan to alleviate the medical care ripoff crisis in the US.
9 ) Started the promised moves to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. Also not a good move. Nut&Yahoo visiting to share nuttiness.
8) Fake News. Stop watching CNN :rotfl:
9) Absolutely wonderful move. Any equal-equal with the 'religion of peace' is considered as a weakness by them. He understands this perfectly.

-M
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UlanBatori wrote:Kelly Ann Conway looks emaciated, like she hasn't eaten or slept for a while. Not surprising if one has to keep facing flak for the WHOTUS motormouths. Spicer seems to have nicely got both his feet all the way into his mouth with his "angry" Press Briefing. The hyenas are howling.
both performances were shameful

but then I was watching a documentary yesterday about Reagan's spokesdroids blaming Libya for everything despite all the evidence pointing to Syria...

plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose
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Now that it is clear Trump isn't popular, may be like the US does everywhere else in this situation, support the rebels for a regime change and in the process of doing that good, destroy the country... :)

well, it helps if you are the sole super power..
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^Absolutely, and with societal start-ups auditioning everyday, the loudest, the shrillest and the angriest will be backed by (dark) angel investors
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http://fortune.com/2017/01/23/donald-tr ... s-lawsuit/

So droning women and children and arming ISIS & Al Khaida etc are ethical it seems.
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Warning from a veteran Indian diplomat.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/opinion/ ... world.html
America First’: A dark shadow for the world
Published Jan 23, 2017,

Ambassador K.C. Singh

Mr Trump’s partiality towards Vladimir Putin may create convergence about fighting ISIS but not necessarily India’s terror problem.

US President Donald Trump
As America inaugurated its 45th President in Washington D.C. on Friday, the world waited with trepidation to hear President Donald Trump, the crusader for “Making America Great Again” and champion of the “forgotten men and women of our country”, spell out his agenda for the next four years. Mr Trump emphatically restated old themes, combining populism and nationalism, standard fare in his pre-election stump speeches. The question being asked is whether he is overturning the post-World War II liberal order created under American leadership that ushered the birth of the United Nations at San Francisco, the Marshall Plan to lift both the vanquished and allied nations in Europe, the World Bank and Bretton Woods institutions to spread American aid and Nato to fashion a common defence. He achingly noted that the American dream is “redistributed across the entire world”. Richard N. Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, was quoted by the New York Times that Harry Truman, Dean Acheson and others who followed had sought “World First” and not “America First”.

What does the phrase “America First” really imply? Basically, all nationalistic leaders ranging from President Xi Jinping of China to Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India want their own country’s interests held supreme. However, for the United States, as underwriter of global regimes, US “exceptionalism” has been about not only espousing liberal and democratic ideals, but spreading them globally. President John F. Kennedy had in 1961 committed his country to protect human rights “at home and around the world”. George W. Bush expended tremendous national resources attempting to plant democracy in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and Talibanised Afghanistan. It is this evangelism that Mr Trump is now tampering with realism. The US will no longer drain its resources to protect allies or carry unevenly large weight in alliances. He is rejigging a phrase used by Charles Lindbergh in the 1930s to advocate US isolationism. He explained in an election-time interview that he was using it as a “brand new, very modern term”.

There was nothing modern in certain parts of his inaugural address that tackled the theme in clearly counter-globalisation and anti-free trade terms. He said US interests would take primacy over trade, taxes and foreign policy. His slogan “Buy American, Hire American”, which he tweeted immediately in bold letters, broadcast unadulterated protectionism, flouting international trade and investment regimes or agreements to which the US is a party. But his dark worldview is fraught with contradictions and paradoxes, which will challenge his Cabinet while it is translating this into actual policy. Take his pledge to eradicate “radical Islamic terror” from the face of the planet. Many in India hope that it provides a ledge to rest India’s angst over Pakistani sponsorship of anti-India terror groups. But for him, so far, it seems limited to ISIS. Additionally he has not understood, despite US experience since 2001, that counter-terrorism cannot succeed without conquering the hearts and minds of Muslims simultaneously. President Barack Obama had attempted in 2009 in his address at Cairo University to do that, but the subsequent Arab Spring altered the framework.

Mr Trump contrariwise has chided the United Nations over the UN Security Council resolution which condemned new Israeli settlements in occupied West Bank. Mr Trump also favours moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Both or either of these acts will add to disaffection in the Islamic world. Furthermore, outsourcing the fight against ISIS to Russia while needling Iran will be a non-starter as those two countries are working in tandem to stabilise Syria, including by ruthless means like bombing Aleppo unmindful of the loss of civilian lives. What does a Trump presidency augur for India? Clearly, there is cause for concern regarding US visa policies, that will hit information technology workers or even Indian students, as post-study job permits might be restricted. Mr Trump’s partiality towards Vladimir Putin may create convergence about fighting ISIS but not necessarily India’s terror problem. In fact, it may solidify the emerging Russia-China-Pakistan-Iran agreement that ISIS is the primary menace and that the Taliban in Afghanistan thus an automatic ally, and not an antagonist threatening the elected regime in Kabul. That would upend India’s Afghanistan policy. Of greater interest to India should be Sino-US relations. A trade war can unleash forces that may damage China more than the US, which could up the ante by calling China’s bluff on its militarisation of artificial islands in the South China Sea in breach of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

Contrariwise, Mr Trump may compromise on the South China Sea issue, accepting the status quo while barring more dredging and militarisation, provided his trade-related demands are met. Thus, it would be wise for India not to slipstream behind the US while remaining prepared to exploit the situation as it evolves. The US will attempt to outsource regional security duties to friends and allies as it reduces its own financial burden. India will have to hedge and balance. The Trump presidency thus brings uncertainty as he experiments to resolve the paradox between “America First” and the interconnected nature of global economy and supply chains and US commitments to allies. For instance, trade with Mexico may be low single-digit as a portion of US GDP, but it affects at least five million US jobs. Similarly, counter-measures by China, reacting to the imposition of duties on their products, may have unforeseen effect on US households as costs rise. Mr Trump will discover that populism may be fine with a megaphone in hand or a Twitter button under control, but the Oval Office and the long arc of history will force reality on him. But one certainty looms — that the 45th US Chief Executive will always be “The Donald” before being President Trump.
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devesh wrote:Down the rabbit hole again.
No Sir! around the u bend of the toilet more like.
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Arjun wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Secondly, I completely disagree with your opinion that those who came out to protest were mostly idiots.
I actually have respect for those who are passionate enough for their cause to actually go out there and protest.
Aah...the "Inquilab Zindabad" "lodte hobe, lodte hobe" attitude !
Nah... Why protest at all.
Afterall
- what's wrong with Orange Fuhrer grabbing your cat?
- What's wrong with having to ride at the back of the bus?
- What's wrong with not having the right to vote?
- closer home, why side with a naked fakir and protest against the rule of mighty British Empire?
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This can be such a long list.
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^^^ that happens to other people, not to the chosen people
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Sunni Gulfates are smelling blood at prospect of Trump passing sanctions against Iran, back to being thick pals with Israel. This is how Sunnis never got challenged in Gulf, after sanctions were lifted Iran became emboldened in support of war against IS.
This is strange if Trump approves sanctions against Iran (which Israel wants) his much touted war against IS will become weak.
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FWIW: Came in the SPAM. I thought it might be of interest - at least some ppl are doing a bit of introspection/Hara Kiri etc.
Info on 2016 election that you may not know
REMINDER: S. B. Woo has stepped down from the presidency of 80-20 PAC, although he is still the president of 80-20 Educational Foundation.
About the 2016 Election
Hillary Clinton (HC) had such real and presumed advantages over Donald Trump (DT). Click here to read Part (1) and (2) about what the advantages were and why many didn't work out. Even though the election was over, looking back at the facts (mixed with some opinion) can help us understand America and American elections.

Why didn't the Overwhelming media endorsements for HC Work?

The HC/DT endorsements ratio was 500/27. Shouldn't that have had a huge impact? Apparently not. Why?

1) HC benefited from the fact that the media intellectuals disliked DT intensely. Voters sensed that media bias. So the endorsements didn't carry as much weight.
2) Most of the media were into "identity politics" just like HC. They favored diversity over qualifications when it came to hiring or admissions to schools and colleges. Such over-emphasis has lessened American voters' respect for the media.

Why Didn't the Overwhelming Endorsement of HC by the Top Political Leaders of BOTH parties Work?

All past and present Democratic officials endorsed HC. Many of the most prominent past and present Republican top officials rejected or refused to endorse DT. In effect, the top political leaders of BOTH parties had endorsed HC. Why didn't that work?

Most politicians knew that endorsements by famous political leaders helped in their fundraising efforts. However, such endorsements were never very effective in getting votes for the candidate. Ordinary voters didn't read or cared about a candidate's press releases which touted such endorsements.

HC's Weaknesses

Every candidate has pluses and minuses. HC's strength was that she was very well respected by elected officials of both parties -- being known as a hardworking colleague who knew the issues, was willing to discuss compromises, and share credit. Her weakness was that she was a very poor campaigner, and yet ever confident of her imminent victory. She lost 2 of her 3 national campaigns in-spite-of huge initial advantages over all 3 rival candidates.
1) In the 2008 Dem. primary, everyone said it was "her campaign to lose." At the early stages, her campaign was lavishly pretentious. At the end, she lost it to Obama, who was almost an unknown initially.
2) In the 2016 Dem. primary, she faced a real unknown, Sen.Sanders. At the end, if it were not for the unshakable loyalty of her 500+ Super Delegates - all elected officials - she came close to losing that one as well. The final pledged delegates ratio between HC/Sanders was 1/0.84.
3) In the 2016 General Election, she was the overwhelming odds on candidate to win over DT. She enjoyed huge real and presumed advantages. Her campaign planned to have fireworks over the Hudson river on election night, costing $7 million, according to DT. :rotfl: But she lost that campaign too.
In part (4), we'll ask if HC had make good political decisions. Please don't construe these e-newsletters as favoring one or the other former candidates. The election was over. The real purpose is to help AsAms {and PeeAref} understand America and American politics.
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shyam wrote:Trump is just the first of the global domino of change. Rest are now getting ready

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European ThugBandhan?
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Philip, THat article is by Ambassador K.C. Singh who is another social Justice warrior lurking in Indian Foreign Service. He has huge biases and is lsightly better than M. Bhadra kuma.

So take his views with a bucket of salt.

India is not asking Trump to solve the Pakistan terrorist problem.
Just step aside while its solved.
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Read this book review first:
svinayak wrote:The End of White Christian America Hardcover – July 12, 2016
by Robert P. Jones

Robert P. Jones, CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, spells out the profound political and cultural consequences of a new reality—that America is no longer a majority white Christian nation. “Quite possibly the most illuminating text for this election year” (The New York Times Book Review).

For most of our nation’s history, White Christian America (WCA) set the tone for our national policy and shaped American ideals. But especially since the 1990s, WCA has steadily lost influence, following declines within both its mainline and evangelical branches. Today, America is no longer demographically or culturally a majority white, Christian nation.

Drawing on more than four decades of polling data, The End of White Christian America explains and analyzes the waning vitality of WCA.
Robert P. Jones argues that the visceral nature of today’s most heated issues—the vociferous arguments around same-sex marriage and religious and sexual liberty, the rise of the Tea Party following the election of our first black president, and stark disagreements between black and white Americans over the fairness of the criminal justice system—can only be understood against the backdrop of white Christians’ anxieties as America’s racial and religious topography shifts around them.

Beyond 2016, the descendants of WCA will lack the political power they once had to set the terms of the nation’s debate over values and morals and to determine election outcomes. Looking ahead, Jones forecasts the ways that they might adjust to find their place in the new America—and the consequences for us all if they don’t. “Jones’s analysis is an insightful combination of history, sociology, religious studies, and political science….This book will be of interest to a wide range of readers across the political spectrum” (Library Journal).
Now go back and re-read Obama's farewell speech.
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one black commentator on election night coined the phrase "white lash"
totally on the money
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Trump executive order pulls out of TPP trade deal. Hence taking first step towards taking China more powerful in Indian subcontinent.
what is TPP
BBC
The member states are the US, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Peru.
The pact aims to deepen economic ties between these nations, slashing tariffs and fostering trade to boost growth.
Members had also hoped to foster a closer relationship on economic policies and regulation.
The agreement was designed to potentially create a new single market, something like that of the EU.
How big a deal is the TPP?
Pretty big. The 12 countries have a collective population of about 800 million - almost double that of the European Union's single market. The 12-nation would-be bloc is already responsible for 40% of world trade.
The deal was seen as a remarkable achievement given the very different approaches and standards within the member countries, including environmental protection, workers' rights and regulatory coherence - not to mention the special protections that some countries have for certain industries.
And that's why the prospect of the US pulling out is being seen as such a blow for those who signed up.
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Lalmohan wrote:one black commentator on election night coined the phrase "white lash"
totally on the money
Not totally correct. Lot of non white folks in my locality did vote for Trump.

It was a "rural lash" rather than a white lash.
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Lalmohan wrote:one black commentator on election night coined the phrase "white lash"
totally on the money

That was Van Jones on CNN.

Tis guy is the most racist person on TV. he hates all things white.

And the tag line is former Obama Administration official.


He has his own mini foundation:

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7) Fast-forward to some point between 18 and 30 months from now.
USCIRF and Human Rights Watch will be leading the charge in Washington, having enlisted Ania Loomba, Toorjo Ghosh, Angana Chatterjee, the Berkeley-Haas foundation, FOIL and FOSA as well-paid Native Informants. Arvind Kejriwal, Kanhaiya Kumar, Teesta Setalvad, John Dayal, Kancha Ilaiah, Rana Ayyub, Rev. Udaykumar, Hurry-rats, Neo-Khalistanis, Daleet Activists, rrNDTV types et al will be running around raising merry hell in India... flush with rejuvenated funding, equipped with brand new toys and techniques, supplied with first-class tickets to go and testify before US Congress every so often. And coordinating these efforts internationally from air-conditioned five-ishtar hotel rooms in Dilli and Mumbai will be the same expert Color-Flower Revolutionaries currently organizing demonstrations against Trump.

And the Trump-supporting BRFites who thought all this was going to go away with Hillary Clinton's defeat will be :(( :oops: :evil: :-? :(

And poor Shalibh Kumar will realize that, in effect, he paid a million bucks to help deliver the heathen masses of darkest India into the bright light of Jeebus's grace.

Mark my words. This is how it will turn out. But enjoy the way things are for now, by all means.
Lilo wrote: RD ji,
Are you saying that India because of Trump gets a minimum of 1.5 year or a maximum of 2.5 year window when the USCIRF , Human Rights Watch , Berkely-Haas gangs will be under suspended animation because they have been starved of their funds ?
No Lilo ji, I am not. :D I am saying that it will be 1.5 to 2.5 years before our ahead-of-the-curve-alicious, Trump-supporting BRFites finally recognize that the EJ-friendly Trump regime has been shafting India via Berkeley Haas, HRW, USCIRF etc. all along.

It will take folks some time to get over all that brilliant "RW" foresight and come to grips with reality, after all.

For the shafting of India, we don't have to wait even 1.5 weeks. It is already in progress... see Republican EJ Congressman Ed Royce's initiative to haul India over the coals, in the COTUS, on Compassion International's behalf. This is far worse than Kerry begging favors from Sushma Swaraj behind closed doors. It is an attempt to drag the dirty laundry of anti-India psyops, regarding "Intolerance", "Hindoo Fundamentalism" etc. onto the public floor of the United States Congress. And it is being done by a Republican Congressman who is also, supposedly, head of the India Caucus in COTUS!

In the meantime, currently unfolding events indicate that the EJ's future *capability* to shaft India is expanding beyond anything that was even remotely possible for them during the Obama administration.I have no doubt that, following the March on Washington, EJ compromise-makers are already on the task of identifying and recruiting the most talented Color-Flower Revolutionaries for Christian causes.

The organizations you mention (HRW, USCIRF, Berkeley-Haas) will never lose their funds. The defunding threat will ONLY be used by the Trump administration against university departments, grant-giving foundations and corporate sponsors of explicitly anti-Trump organizations... Move On dot Org, Acorn, Black Lives Matter etc. On the contrary, anti-India organizations will be loaded up with funds so that they are better empowered to attract talent and resources away from the anti-Trump organizations.
Dont you think that your above prognosis is a paisa vasooli outcome of DT's election ?
For the EJs, definitely.
For the Republican "Hindu" Coalition? Maybe it is paisa-vasooli if Shalibh Kumar or his daughter are crypto-Christians. Not otherwise.

Pojitive things as i perceive happening since the window created by the transition to Trump in no order of relavance:
1)Burkha dutt has resigned to her fate & gave-up mainstream journalism when her bumchum (i mean literally) Hillary was kicked off unceremoniously from any future contention in Soothasia .
Lilo ji, I think of you as an intelligent and well-informed poster.

Therefore I think you will appreciate that the real reason Burkha Dutt has resigned from NDTV is that the temperature of water in my lota was slightly less than 10 degrees C on that morning. The butterfly effect caused by the sudden reflexive tightening of my sphincter is what caused her to resign.

I mean, if we are going to try and pass off any and all correlations as causations, then why not at least invent some entertaining correlations, right? :mrgreen:

I am sure that Barkha was disappointed when Hillary did not win the US Presidential Election. Maybe even heartbroken. But extending this to say that Clinton's electoral loss was the inspiration for Barkha to resign from NDTV is a classic ("RW"?) case of putting 1 and 2 together to make 4.

Moreover, what is the basis for your statement that Barkha has totally given up mainstream journalism? As far as I know she has left NDTV, that is all.

2)Modi govt nonchalantly screwed Compassion international despite the kicking & wailing of the american establishment.
Exactly which establishment are you talking about?

In September 2016, Kerry asked Sushma Swaraj (as a personal favor, conveyed from CI to him via John Podesta) that the MEA should revisit the FCRA restrictions placed on Compassion International.

Is Kerry a Q-tiya EJ bag carrier for doing this? Of course he is. Most of the Clinton people in some way or another are connected to EJs. So, no surprise there. But as we have already seen, he was nowhere near as bad as the Republicans are going to be.

India's MEA responded politely to Kerry by saying theek hai, we will look into the issue. Then we looked into the issue and responded (by November 2016) that we aren't going to remove the restrictions on Compassion International.

The next blow on behalf of the EJs, taking the fight into the public arena of US Congress, was struck by the Republicans... specifically, by Ed Royce, as reported on December 5, 2016. It is the post-Obama Republican establishment, aligned with the incoming Trump regime, which has gone far beyond Kerry's back-door favor banking.

It must be recognized that Kerry was doing the EJ's bidding in the privacy of a back-room conference... not in the full glare of the United States Congress where a full armamentarium of anti-Hindu, anti-Modi psyops could be deployed in the public square to bring pressure against India on multiple fronts. That is what the Republicans have geared up to do to India, on the EJ's behalf.

So I am sorry to inform you that the real shafting has only just begun. Things have already got worse for India on this issue following Trump's election, and will get much worse following his inauguration.
3)Jallikattu ban was blatantly revoked by the Indian govt even while the usual suspects in media & elsewhere in establishment were bleating helplessly - so much so that the EJs had to do a hamhanded about turn & support Jallikattu (the same cultural festival in the banning of which they put their 10 years worth of political capital) .
How this translates into a paisa-vasooliyat for Indians supporting Trump's electoral victory is too chankian for my meagre understanding.

If we want to give credit to Trump's Electoral Victory for every courageous initiative that Modi's GOI takes, then let us recognize that we are, in fact, the worst kind of MUTUs.

The assumption underlying your statement is that if Trump's victory had not opened some some imaginary "window of opportunity" for India then Modi, Amit Shah and Ajit Doval would have been sitting on their thumbs and shivering in their dhotis over this Jallikattu issue. In other words, If SDREs have become brave enough to take matters into their own hands... on any issue from climate change to Jallikattu... then it must be because TFTAs under Trump have created a global atmosphere of permissiveness that "allowed it to be so".

The circularity of this argument, again, betrays classic "RW" thinking, Yindoo style.
4)Trump's renegotiation pitch on Paris climate summit gave India under Modi a window through which it can regain back its since inception held equity based Common But Differentiated Responsibilities(CBDR) position on climate change which was pawned off by Jairam Ramesh using the halo created by local presstitutes led by the likes of The Hindu newspaper .
Again, the great white saviour complex appears to cloud this argument.

MMS/Jairam Ramesh (UPA) got India a bad deal on climate change. Narendra Modi (NDA) is going to renegotiate the bad deal on climate change for India's benefit.

Separately, Barack Obama (D) got the USA a bad deal on climate change. Donald Trump (R) is going to renegotiate the bad deal on climate change for the USA's benefit.

It is delusional to imagine that Narendra Modi's renegotiation of a better climate deal on India's behalf has anything to do with Donald Trump's renegotiation of a better climate deal on the USA's behalf.

We do not need Massa's strong hand to open a window for us to crawl apologetically through. We are quite capable of opening any window (or door) for ourselves as need be... or in fact, blowing up the wall to force our way into wherever we want to go (we did that 19 years ago, for example and the benefits have far outweighed any negative consequences).
5)Trumps's aversion to mega trade agreements like TPP , TTIP means that India directly benefits as hitherto India has been categorically shutout of these agreements which could have isolated india totally in international trade . Now Trump is going to emulate India in pursuing bilateral trade deals with other trading nations & impending collapse(or atleast suspended animation) of mega trade pacts like TPP,TTIP greatly improves India's trade situation for the next decade atleast.
I am unable to understand what this argument is supposed to mean.

Let us say that US interests are to inject clauses A, B, C into {TPP, TTIP} or whatever trade pact we are talking about.

Meanwhile, India's interests are to inject clauses X, Y, Z into the trade pact in question...{TPP, TTIP} in this case.

I hope we can agree that clauses X, Y, Z which India wants included may not be in perfect alignment with clauses A, B, C which the US wants included. In fact, the interests reflected in these two sets of clauses may be one hundred percent oppositional.

Therefore, US taking the initiative to upend {TPP, TTIP} type pacts for the purpose of forcibly injecting clause A, B, C does not in any way benefit India's efforts to include clause X, Y, or Z in these pacts. That is an incorrect premise from the get-go.

Apart from this, you say that Trump is "going to" move away from a trade regime premised on multilateral pacts... most of which were drafted with America's perceived interests in mind, by Washington DC's Hamiltonian power circles, in any case... and move towards a new paradigm where bilateral trade deals will become the staple basis of US international trade.

I am highly skeptical that Trump will ever be able to override the Hamiltonian power circles responsible for structuring the international economic order through their pet institutions like WTO, IMF, WB, NAFTA, etc. Those institutions were built-to-order by the US deep state in the service of its own interest. They have been allowed to continue serving as the cornerstones of international trade for many decades... by many US Presidents... despite their side effect of creating domestic political liabilities on the outsourcing, offshoring and immigration fronts. If Trump tries to change the system in favor of bilateral trade deals he will have to take on the deep state. I am almost certain that, if he tries, he will fail.

But even if we want to be generous and assume that Trump has the brains, the staying-power, and the negotiating finesse to achieve such a paradigm shift... the scenario you are offering here is 100% hypothetical, and a projection into the future.

In terms of "paisa vasool" for India it amounts to exactly zero, as of today. However, I will admit that at least it isn't a net negative for India like the Ed Royce/USCIRF propaganda assault emboldened by Trump's victory.

6)Trump's downgrade of multilateral treaties like NATO & pursual of bilateral military partnerships means accelerated downgrade of UQ or France as world powers & India is in a better position to displace either to gatecrash the big 5.
Again, a future projection of dubious veracity. In terms of "paisa vasool" for India it amounts to exactly zero as of today.

7)Immediate aftermath : Russia did a quick piglet barbeque in aleppo . Modi same with the local alCIAda backed hawala operators using DeMo.
Russia has joined China as a vociferous defender of Pakistani terrorism (against India) in multiple forums. Russia is aligning itself with China and Pakistan in our immediate neighbourhood, and throwing its weight behind projects that are directly inimical and dangerous to Indian interests... from Afghanistan to CPEC.

In West Asia, Russia may be acting against one brand of Islamic terrorist (ISIS)... but on the Indian Subcontinent, Russians are part of an axis that protects and supports other brands of Islamic terrorists (like Jaish-e-Mohammed, the Taliban, and the Haqqani Network) who constitute a much greater threat to India.

I therefore do not see any value in arguments that DT's elevation to the US Presidency, if indeed it benefits Russia, comprises any sort of advantage for India.

As for demonetization, it was under way before DT got elected, and would have been pursued regardless of whether DT or HC had become the POTUS.

This, by the way, is true for the arguments you have advanced above regarding Compassion International (2), Jallikattu :eek: (3), Climate change agreements (4), Trade agreements (5), and Security-seeking alliance regimes (6). To date, DT's election has produced no material change in the geopolitical climate wherein India seeks its best interests under all of these headings. Furthermore, Modi would not have been constrained in seeking its best interests under all of these headings regardless of who was POTUS (to think that he would, in fact belies an abominably MUTU-centric perspective).
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RD, Thanks for the long reply.

The current Jallikattu escalation was due to Obama-Clinton forces. GOI waited for the forces to reveal themselves and defused the situation.
As for all the things you say the situation has not improved due to Trump election, India doesn't need US to do the lifting.
Just stand aside while we combat our terror and our deplorables.
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ricky_v wrote:rudradev ji, what about the people who are in it due to indoctrination and truly believe in the cause ;as of now there are many such people. Also during the gulf years of the Bush regime, there was already a schism between government and the msm and its nonsense spouting ilk. Why would it change this time around?Further groups like blm cannot seriously fight for oppressed in heathen lands when their own lads get shot dealing smack and/or thievery which will always occur whether the deep state takes the fight to dark corners or to misguided white brethren. These cracks are intriguing because imo these guys (protesters) are advertising themselves to the players out there. Why would any sly regime let go of this opportunity after all the template for cooperation is already there.
Ricky_V ji,

I think a careful analysis of all such "movements" will reveal that most "activist" types are not, in fact, indoctrinated to any specific cause. They are like the flame of a blowtorch that can be directed one way and then turned 180 degrees to be directed the exact opposite way. Those who are amenable to indoctrination are, as a general rule, equally susceptible to re-indoctrination.

Consider: most of the Fascist party folks in Mussolini's Italy were recruited straight from the street-fighter ranks of Gramsci's Communist party.

Consider: most of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard in Iran were previously the foot soldiers of left-wing, Naxal type movements directed against the Shah of Iran.

Hijacking, controlling and re-directing mass movements based on outrage via propaganda, provocateurship, and judiciously applied inducements is something the US deep state is masterfully adept at. The EJs are highly experienced allies of the US deep state in achieving such goals.

No doubt there will be a few members of any movement who are "true believers" in the original cause, and that is why in my post I mentioned that some would want to go "Full Naxal" in opposition to Trump, however much pressure Trump brings to bear against the Color-Flower Revolution. There will always be a fringe of the "Occupy Movement" type.

The vast majority, however, will do some quick double-think and become instantly amenable to changing sides... targeting their outrage against the Yindoo Fundamentalist, Intolerant, Anti-Minority India of Narendra Modi rather than the p#ssy grabbing histrionics of Donald Trump.

You mention Black Lives Matter. This brings to mind an interesting example. An earlier generation of black civil rights workers were in fact recruited to serve the US deep states' interest by targeting India via the Afro-Dalit project, and also other foreign governments through similar projects premised on the ideals of black liberation theology. See Rajiv Malhotra's "Breaking India" for details.

MANY of these "turned" African-American activists, when elected to Congress, de-emphasized their erstwhile struggle for Afro-American rights in the US and became part of various anti-India caucuses... including Edolphus Towns, Alcee Hastings, Sheila Jackson-Lee, and Cynthia McKinney.
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ramana wrote:RD, Thanks for the long reply.

The current Jallikattu escalation was due to Obama-Clinton forces. GOI waited for the forces to reveal themselves and defused the situation.
As for all the things you say the situation has not improved due to Trump election, India doesn't need US to do the lifting.
Just stand aside while we combat our terror and our deplorables.
Not only Jallikattu. The Harvard professor's team orchestrating the Akhilesh Yadav campaign in UP (with an eye to GE 2019) is also part of the Obama-Clinton intervention machine. The Ford Foundation-funded rise of Arvind Kejriwal also happened during the Obama-Clinton years. Let us have no illusions that Obama-Clinton were benign in their view of India.

The flawed assumption here is that Trump administration will stand aside and pose no impediments on India. There is exactly zero evidence for this at the moment. Furthermore, the US deep state is not so stupid that it will simply stand back and allow all the levers and gears of its highly sophisticated foreign-intervention mechanisms, cultivated over 7 decades, to simply atrophy and rust away from disuse. They are not I K Gujral to make such a mistake. Trump has no chance of overriding them, even if we actually believe he has a sincere desire to desist from foreign intervention.

On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence that EJs have more far-reaching influence in the Trump administration than in any previous US presidential administration. We know very well what this means.

Best Case, things will be no worse for India than in the Obama-Clinton days (though the Republican-sponsored COTUS hearings on Compassion International seem to have already debunked the best case scenario).

Worst Case, things will get much worse with a completely unrestrained EJ onslaught. During the Obama-Clinton days, EJs were spending a good deal of effort and resources on fighting local socio-political battles in the US... now, they have a free hand to deploy all their effort and resources towards "saving" heathen India.
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Flawed assumption on BRF is one thing.

Sad that years on BRF have not taught wariness.

Its another thing if GOI thinks the same.

it does not.
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Pls don't bring Jallikattu here one thread already hijacked .
Can some one comment if they are Ummah soldiers in US army or entire army being turned Sharia compliant?
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