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In nearly 50 years of @Harvard affiliation, I have never been as disillusioned and alienated as I am today.
It should be fairly easy to shut the land side. It must be the sea side that they are not able to plug.Jay wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023 21:29If this would have worked then israel would have already done this without a second thought. They can raze as much they want, but the gaza population will stay there because of more than one reason. Even in this small corridor, israel is not able to control the inflow-outflow of men/materials and until this is achieved, israel won't have security guarantee's on it's terms.
sanman wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 23:52 Jeremy Corbyn risks fresh fury by suggesting Israel 'occupation' is the root cause of Hamas atrocities - as left-wing activists project Palestine flag on building during Labour conference
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rence.html
How about we take a bet? IMEC will be there even after we both are no more.SRajesh wrote: ↑10 Oct 2023 17:01Given the Hostility between Arabs and israeli's, every time there is an flare up of Palestinian issue, the security of the route is at stake.
How does it support the long term viability from the business point view for 'A' to sink in money on the three ports you mentioned??
Someone tweeted to his tweet
Many in Harvard are disgusted by the support shown by a few 'scholars'/students' for the Terrorists... Summers was ex president (and fairly well know liberal) - even he is disgusted... many others are too.
Which is not the case. And that line of thought needs to be abandoned. Of course as BRFites, we have to parse deep meanings within some
Audrey's post is real (I don't give/publicize link - so that it does not generate clicks - but is easy to see - it is today's tweet).. so is the Guardian article (again as a policy I don't link as not to generate clicks).hgupta wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 02:39 Why can’t the Hindu Forum Canada also successfully mobilize against the Khalicunts as well?
I hope what Audrey posted was real and she actually posted that because if that’s the case that’s the stick we can finally use to shut her the ****** up for good and drive out of the academic circe by getting her tenure stripped.
Right on cue.. these termites are in sync
Amber G. wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 03:03 Recently there was a very strong statement in support for Israel from US, UK, Italy, France ityadi ... but Canada was not included. Ditto in today's Biden's live speech .. Neither (AFAIK) in Netanyahu tweets ( which mentions Modi, Biden etc)..
This in spite of Canada having one of the large Jewish population.....
Not making it up..
It’s not just that Canada didn’t sign onto the statement from five of the G7 countries on Israel and the Hamas attack, "we weren’t invited."
Canada, a NATO ally of all five countries that made the statement, a fellow member of the G7, wasn’t even called and asked to join the call or sign the statement.
The first link above in Ha'aretz is to Gidi Weitz, who precedes the Hamas quote with: [Another Concept Implodes: Israel Can’t Be Managed by a Criminal Defendant - Israel News - Haaretz.com](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... 9b5dbf0000)Second, [a columnist at Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... 9b5dbf0000) unearthed evidence that Netanyahu has intentionally propped up Hamas rule in Gaza — seeing Palestinian extremism as a bulwark against a two-state solution to the conflict.
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” the prime minister reportedly said at a 2019 meeting of his Likud party. “This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
These exact comments have not yet been confirmed by other sources. But the Times of Israel’s [Tal Schneider wrote on Sunday that](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years ... our-faces/) Netanyahu’s reported words “are in line with the policy that he implemented,” which did little to challenge and in some ways bolstered Hamas’s control over the Gaza Strip. Moreover, Schneider notes, “the same messaging was repeated by right-wing commentators, who may have received briefings on the matter or talked to Likud higher-ups and understood the message.” Some Netanyahu confidants have [said the same thing](https://twitter.com/DanielSeidemann/sta ... 0679304483), as have outside experts.
The second link, to Tal Scheider, includes: [For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown up in our faces | The Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years ... our-faces/)His {*Netanyahu's*} life’s work was to turn the ship of state from the course steered by his predecessors, from Yitzhak Rabin to Ehud Olmert, and make the two-state solution impossible. En route to this goal, he found a partner in Hamas.
The third link is to a tweet: https://twitter.com/DanielSeidemann/sta ... 0679304483Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2018, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
While Netanyahu does not make these kind of statements publicly or officially, his words are in line with the policy that he implemented.
Gen. Gershon Hacohen refers to Hamas: [After evacuating Gaza, a lonely general of faith struggles for Israel's salvation | The Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-eva ... salvation/)Gen.Gershon Hacohen, emphatically rightwing and confidante of [Netanyahu], said the following: "Truth be told, Netanyahu's objective is to prevent the two-state option and therefore turned Hamas into his closest ally. Openly, Hamas is an enemy, beneath the surface, an ally".
This is also why, he added, “I prefer Hamas to Abu Mazen.” Because Hamas “helps me prevent a two-state solution” and is, covertly “an ally, because neither it nor I want a final solution and neither in my terms nor in its is there something that is everlasting.
i think the idea would be to depopulate the Gaza strip and raze most of the buildings and find and destroy all the tunnels., the Israelis are in for the long haul. No half measures. For Bibi and Israelis the job has just started. No one is saying the ground invasion is easy but its the only way.nachiket wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 03:35 I really want to see what the IDF's plan is going to be in their response. Till now it is their usual tactics of bombing known Hamas targets inside Gaza. But since all of them are in civilian buildings, they have to warn the residents to leave with a dud bomb/missile prior to the actual strike. And the Hamas terrorists have probably long since evacuated the structure anyway. So all they achieve is a controlled demolition of a building with little to no effect on Hamas itself. The Hamas rats just move to a different building of which there is no shortage in Gaza. Their top leaders are sitting pretty in Qatar where they seem untouchable.
This can't possibly be enough as a response now after the truly horrific scale and nature of this attack. But there are no easy options. A ground invasion will get bogged down in difficult urban combat with plenty of civilian casualties which will be used for propaganda purposes by Hamas and their supporters worldwide of which there seem to be more than ever, even in the west. Indiscriminate bombing without usual warnings will cause even more civilian deaths and Hamas has promised to kill hostages if the IDF does that. Incredibly difficult situation.
The Netanyahu government is going to start getting brickbats very soon from their own people for their failure to prevent the attack. Calls for him to resign will get louder as the days go by unless they can really figure out something that will seriously hurt hamas.
Gaza has over 2 million people. Where would the Israelis send them? Egypt? The Egyptians don't want them. I think they've made that quite clear. This is another thing the leftist snakes constantly shouting "Gaza is an open air prison" conveniently fail to mention. Gaza has a border with Egypt which the Israelis don't control. So how can Israel turn Gaza into a prison? All their Arab brothers in Egypt have to do is open their border with Gaza right? Why don't they do it? Because Hamas is in the habit of smuggling weapons and drugs instead of bringing in essential supplies when given the chance.drnayar wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 03:50 i think the idea would be to depopulate the Gaza strip and raze most of the buildings and find and destroy all the tunnels., the Israelis are in for the long haul. No half measures. For Bibi and Israelis the job has just started. No one is saying the ground invasion is easy but its the only way.
Go Woke Go Broke is a true statement. One strategic brilliance Hamas did was graphically and with video evidence connect OlaUber with Barbarism.Atmavik wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 01:45 I was rejected from Harvard when @LHSummers was president. Maybe if he created an admissions system that favored more people like me and fewer affirmative action anti-Semites, 18 years later he wouldn't be so "disillusioned and alienated."
But in Larry's mind I'm sure it will remain a Mystery
So perhaps the logical thing to do is go after the a$$holes sitting in Doha. What am I missing?
Thanks for the article ramana. Interesting.ramana wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 00:40 https://lloydmelnick.com/2017/06/14/thi ... ippur-war/
S.Sridhar an old article about how confirmation bias blinds assessment.
This seems to be what Israeli liberals are saying as well. BN prefers Hamas to a 2 state solution.
Williams, this is a great summary of the facts we all know but keep forgetting.
I agree completely. All this talk about "IMEC is dead" is panicky and overwrought.IMEC will be there even after we both are no more. It's the business viability that drove it in the first place.
2 million is nothing. The EU absorbed 5 million Syrian refugees and 10 million Ukrainian refugees. 2 million is chump change just for Norway.nachiket wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 04:00
Gaza has over 2 million people. Where would the Israelis send them? Egypt? The Egyptians don't want them. I think they've made that quite clear. This is another thing the leftist snakes constantly shouting "Gaza is an open air prison" conveniently fail to mention. Gaza has a border with Egypt which the Israelis don't control. So how can Israel turn Gaza into a prison? All their Arab brothers in Egypt have to do is open their border with Gaza right? Why don't they do it? Because Hamas is in the habit of smuggling weapons and drugs instead of bringing in essential supplies when given the chance.
You are not off your rocker, that's for sure. Any time you have a shooting war in the Middle East involving Israel and one or more Muslim countries, WW3 is a very real possibility. I have my doubts about your "semi-major axis" (Saudia - Kuwait - Qatar - UAE), but that is a mere detail. The fundamental war risk is certainly there.disha wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 05:49 WW3 I always thought will happen in ME. With China-Iran-Russia as one major axis and India-Israel-US as another major axis. The third axis will be Turkiye-other assorted ISIS and Saudi Barbaria-Kuwait-Qatar-UAE as semi-major axis. The rest of the world have to cast their lot among the four.
Am I off my rockers?
I get the sense that Pak is involved in this Hamas terrorist attack.
You have a problem with Hamas that's fine. No need to attack the religion of one particular Indian community. Seriously. Take a breath.
That seems like the only possibility. It'll take a lot getting it done. That's for sure.ramana wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 07:36 I expect Israel will occupy Gaza till it is deHamased which might take a hundred years (three generations).
The Hamas folks can go to Qatar or Turkey.
Always think of Shiv's oil droplet model. The hard-core jihadis have to be excised if the moderate Muslims are to have a chance.
